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View submission: Trans Women, Male Privilege, and the Intersectionality of Patriarchal Oppression
I don’t disagree w any of the facts expressed here re statistical incidence.
But I’d point out that a lot of these egs are actually also pointing to commonalities bw cis and trans women. All of that evidence you relied on compares either trans women or all trans people and all cis people. But if we look at a lot of those outcomes re cis women versus trans women, it’s not so disparate.
For eg according to Wikipedia 271 murders of trans people between 2008 and 2020. Obviously this number is inherently limited due to underreporting, methodological bias and other factors…a quick google shows that over 2,000 women were murdered by male single offenders alone in 2020 in the US—I couldn’t get clarity on whether this was trans inclusive, but regardless it’s ALSO a limited number due to bias, underreporting etc. This is also a hate crime and gendered violence, but we don’t acknowledge or accept it.
Point is, this isn’t a good area for a comparison game, bc these kinds of numbers are incredibly hard to meaningfully compare. It is hard to figure out a comparative percentage due to the limited nature of the research and its methodologies.
Most of what you expressed as a level of deficit exclusive to trans people are ALSO at comparable levels for cis women, but not in easily researchable/provable ways, and I would encourage you to think about how socialised we all are to accept and not emphasise, highlight or research these phenomena in cis women, but ALSO how the intersectionalities you highlight ALSO apply to cis women.
Sure, I’m cis so my suicide rate is 1%…except I’m a woman w long untreated/undiagnosed ADHD bc the medical establishment refuses women diagnosis and treatment…this means my suicide rate is much higher than 1%, not bc of my ADHD, but bc of the INTERSECTION of my womanhood and my ADHD. Add my other intersections re race, sexuality etc.
Comparing these factors on a purely statistical basis is deeply limited, especially when you are attempting to use it to deny that cis women at large are significantly less likely to experience these outcomes…while relying on research about all cis people, although these factors are known to disproportionately impact cis women compared to cis men. Sort of like if I said trans men can’t deal w any of this stuff bc men are less likely to—I’m erasing a fundamental difference bc men and trans men and their outcomes and challenges, just like here you’re erasing the fundamental difference bw cis men and women and lumping in the rates of negative outcomes of oppression for women with the rates of those outcomes for the oppressors that enact them on the rest of us.
Regardless, this commenter was simply pointing out blind spots/exclusions and therefore commonalities that the post dismissed. You have brought this negative comparative energy to a discussion that was meant to foster connection. Again, intersectionality isn’t designed to be used to help crown you personally as the winner of the oppression olympics. It’s designed to help us identify the tools of the oppressor and how we face those together. It says a lot that you are able to acknowledge how intersections such as these worsen outcomes for trans people, while refusing to acknowledge even the intersection bw “cis” and “woman”.
Comment by Iron_willed_fuck-up at 30/01/2025 at 11:18 UTC
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Again, this has a similar energy to when cis men hear about women’s issues and feel then need to say “but men have issues too!”