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View submission: Attaining the Unattainable: "Nothing to Attain" is NOT "Do Nothing Zen"
I've blocked a few people from the other subreddit. People seem to not like Dogen there? I'm guessing the whole debate is about that. Whether instead of like Dogen said that "it's the only dharma portal" it is counter productive at least in many cases...
for example from the book Instant Zen:
When I was journeying in the past, I called on teachers in one or two places; they just taught day and night concentration, sitting until your buttocks grow callouses, and all the while your mouth is drooling. From the start they sit in the utter darkness in the belly of the primordial Buddha and ignorantly say they are sitting in meditation conserving this attainment. At such times, there is still desire there! Have you not read the saying, ‘When independent and unimpassioned, you yourself are Buddha’! An ancient remarked, ‘If you poison the milk, even clarified butter is deadly.’
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Buddhism is an easily understood, energy-saving teaching; people strain themselves. Seeing them helpless, the ancients told people to try meditating quietly for a moment. These are good words, but later people did not understand the meaning of the ancients; they went off and sat like lumps with knitted brows and closed eyes, suppressing body and mind, waiting for enlightenment. How stupid! How foolish!
There's nothing here!