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What fraud, exactly?
Neither Musk nor Trump have provided any transparency or actual verifiable data on alleged fraud. What they have offered has been some easily debunked garbage, and some claims which were quietly removed from the DOGE website. It's just the same playbook as viewer fraud Trump has been pushing for many years (except where he wins, obviously).
Trump's normal SOP: Talk as much shit and tell as many lies as possible to flood the airwaves and conversations so that any actual fact checking gets buried. And the MAGAs will just endlessly rebroadcast the bullshit, without making any attempt whatsoever to fact check for themselves, partly because they can't be bothered, and partly because they actually don't want to know the claims are false, since you can't "own the libs" with facts you have checked for yourself are untrue.
If you want to find actual corruption in Government, look at the legalised pork barrel loading of kickbacks and backdoor handshakes tacked into completely unrelated legislation through the Senate and HoR, for a start.
Or just look at the bullshit Musk is currently pulling, where he just happens to be removing every body which was investigating, sanctioning, censuring, or trying to control him and his companies, while moving his companies into contracts he didn't previously have access to. Or Trump's revenge driven vendetta to remove every single person or organisation that said or did anything to offend him in the last four years.
The true corruption in the US government isn't an imagined thing, like the claims of Trump and Musk. It's right there in your face. And it's conspirators are actively boasting and crowing about it. They just happens to be the ones in charge.
Comment by BitterFuture at 03/03/2025 at 12:31 UTC
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What fraud, exactly?
When conservatives talk about "fraud," what they really mean is governance.
We see spending on education and healthcare and food inspections; they call it fraud. It's a lie, of course, but that's the game.
Comment by onFinal at 03/03/2025 at 14:29 UTC
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Here's my argument for DOGE - and believe me that effort is minimal because Elong is awful in governing and managing people.
There is fraud. To the tune of billions being shed because of a lack of oversight. So having an entity look at those is important. It exists - Covid funds, social security scams, Medicare scams are huge.
That's where my support stops.
Here's my what-the-fuckery statement:
1. If the Pentagon can't pass an audit to save it's life. It needs the chop until it is in line.
2. If there are scams in Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security - it needs the chop. That benefit needs to be limited until "the people" take control. That means the rich, don't get it.
These issues can be found and verified online and are readily out there.
And "the people" is the House Ways and Means Committee. Those people, those Representatives, have failed in their duty and have abdicated responsibility to Trump and Musk. They are the "waste" in government.