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Unfortunately it doesn't help because when I do they don't see the relevancy anyway. It is like people are intentionally avoiding everything that undermines their precious determinism. We cannot talk coherently about determinism until we face the difference between causality and determinsm; and then in turn we cannot talk about free will until we talk about determinism and yet what do I find on this sub month after month? People seem to walk away from determinism because then know theirs is some faith based opinion. So the hard determinist calls himself a hard incompatibilist so he won't have to defend determinism. When I used to try to defend theism, the agnostic atheist wanted to argue the live long day atheism without having the burden of proof defending atheism. It was atheism of the gaps.
You know it would help if you maybe talked about the difference between causality and determinism. You seem to expect me to connect the dots, but you don't feel obligated to holding yourself to the same standard that you seem to be setting for me. Politics is often about setting double standards so people can get away with injustice. You can dodge all you want. However I might get moderated for not connecting dots that should be obvious by now.
Comment by MarinkoAzure at 13/09/2024 at 11:24 UTC
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if you maybe talked about the difference between causality and determinism.
Mildmys needs to work out the difference between random and deliberate after that before we can get to anything meaningful.
Comment by myimpendinganeurysm at 13/09/2024 at 08:00 UTC
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Probabilistic events aren't going to help your free will argument. If you could somehow demonstrate human willpower consistently affecting the frequency of quantum tunneling events or something like that we might have something to talk about, I guess. In reality, however, the odds of quantum tunneling events occurring are related to the physical properties of the wave packet and barrier involved in the event and not arbitrary human whims. Very few skeptics will be convinced of the existence of free will by unsubstantiated (and/or supernatural) claims regarding the nature of probabilistic and/or indeterministic events.
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Atheism of the gaps? The burden of proof for a lack of a belief? WTF?! 🤣 If you want to be taken seriously you need to say serious things!