2203 upvotes, 34 direct replies (showing 25)
"If the same thing had happened to anyone you hold dear, it'd make you sick to your stomach with grief and anger." What about the people in /r/photoplunder? What about /r/beatingwomen2? Thousands of pictures of women (amongst other things) are leaked and posted everyday on this site, and the only reason they are not banned and removed is because they don't have the bank accounts to take legal action.
Edit: Obligatory thanks for gold, stranger!
Comment by xGray3 at 07/09/2014 at 22:15 UTC*
414 upvotes, 8 direct replies
I tend to stay in the good part of Reddit. I wasn't aware that /r/beatingwomen2 existed, although I had known subreddits of that sort do exist. Out of curiosity I visited it and now I feel sick to my stomach. I don't know how I feel about the idea of Reddit supporting free speech on every level anymore. I don't know that there is any way I can justify being okay with the existence of /r/beatingwomen2 or /r/rapingwomen. I mean, allowing things like racism or sexism to exist on Reddit is one thing. Those are at least legal and are limited to words. But to allow pictures of violence like rape and domestic abuse? I cannot bring myself to consider free speech important enough to allow such things. Those go beyond free speech and into a whole new realm of bad.
It makes me even more sad to think that there was such an uproar over nude pictures of celebrities, but nobody even talks about the girls in those subreddits. In the end it comes down to money and popularity. I'm having one of those moments where I'm just really disappointed in the world.
Edit: Changed some poorly worded sentences.
Comment by [deleted] at 07/09/2014 at 21:50 UTC*
163 upvotes, 8 direct replies
It **does not take a bank account or lawyer to file a DMCA request and ask reddit to remove content**. This isn't unique to reddit, either. Most websites comply with DMCA requests.
Here's all you need to do to send a DMCA request. **It is literally a single page sent to reddit staff**.
A quick google search gave ~~this page~~[1] /edit: it was hacked, google cache page here[2] has the content. there's nothing illegal about this content.
1: http://sarafhawkins.com/how-to-file-a-dmca-takedown-notice/
So you follow those steps and then use http://www.reddit.com/contact/[3] to pick the best method in contacting reddit staff/admins.
3: http://www.reddit.com/contact/
Q: "But what if reddit fights the DMCA?"
A: First, ask yourself, "would reddit spend resources in fighting my DMCA?"
I think you'll find the answer is often: no.
If someone claimed to own a picture that was posted on /r/beatingwomen2 and filed a DMCA request to have it removed, do you honestly believe reddit staff will spend money+time in fighting your request? Isn't it much more reasonable to just accept that the claim is valid, remove it, and no one would blame them for removing it?
You might say this opens the door to DMCA abuses, and you may be right. *But flaws in the DMCA process are not reddit's problem*. Reddit will only do what is minimally required of them. If the DMCA process was improved, reddit will still comply with them. If the DMCA process was entirely *removed* from the laws that bind reddit as a business, then reddit won't comply with them anymore. Fixing DMCA's is a fight for another battlefield. (though if you wanted to have a discussion about it on reddit, you can do so in places like /r/stand, /r/netpolitics, or any place that has similar topics. EFF and ACLU are organizations that are very familiar with the DMCA.)
Also, users can downvote, report, and unsubscribe from content they don't like. The admins don't want to be in a place where **their morality** is deciding what subreddits stay or go. They want **us** to decide what stays.
Have they achieved this "hands-off" approach? Most would say no, but their intent is to do a hands-off approach, and it is up to us to hold them to that task.
If reddit doesn't have the tools to let users do what is necessary, then we can come up with them ourselves[4]. If reddit doesn't accept the tools that the community wants, then we can build another reddit that will.
4: https://github.com/reddit/reddit
Comment by [deleted] at 07/09/2014 at 20:59 UTC
22 upvotes, 1 direct replies
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Comment by [deleted] at 09/09/2014 at 08:45 UTC
1 upvotes, 1 direct replies
These threads have not been taken down because the victims probably have no idea that they are being exposed.
Not that many people read these threads so they don't get so much attention.
I for one didn't know about them, and seeing them now changed my view of Reddit. I'm not sure how much I want to be a part of a community that includes sexually frustrated perverts and retards who believe women should be considered property.
These boards remind me of the Arab world. And they should be destroyed.
Comment by Drigr at 07/09/2014 at 21:20 UTC
2 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Also, the only reason there were take down notices was because people recognize these celebs. Most non famous people won't get noticed and informed that someone posted a nude of them on reddit.
Comment by BenFranklinIsSexy at 07/09/2014 at 17:12 UTC
16 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Not that the quote you provided was not the reason they gave for the ban.
Comment by vambot5 at 08/09/2014 at 03:40 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Website admins have to be pragmatic. You can hold to a general principle of a free forum, but when the global media is breathing down your neck and you have threatened litigation that would bankrupt the site, you have to make tough decisions. In this instance, Reddit's legal team, whoever they may be, must have warned them that doom is imminent if they try to take a stand on this issue. Moreover, legal presumably warned them that that putting vague moralistic language in admin posts will be helpful should this matter end up in front of a jury. They could simultaneously wave the free-discussion banner and still look sympathetic. Indeed, this sort of response would help their position--see, we try to keep as free a form as possible, and whenever we step in to uphold the law, our users revolt. It's not us, it's just our users. We're good people.
It looks good to waive the hypocrisy flag, but are you going to create a replacement site if Reddit goes bankrupt defending dozens of high-dollar lawsuits? Don't you prefer Reddit's continued existence? Are you offering to personally indemnify Reddit for all possible damages if they keep these subs active? If you're a billionaire willing to put your own assets on the line, the admins might change their tune. Until then, they are being understandably (in my judgment) careful.
Comment by Kealle at 07/09/2014 at 21:10 UTC
6 upvotes, 1 direct replies
How are reddit admins suppose to know that these photos are obtained illegally without lawyers informing them?
Comment by isaac9092 at 07/09/2014 at 22:37 UTC
2 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Not to mention cute female corpses, and sexy abortions. They completely overlook other things and jump on these simply because someone's PR started hemming and hawing
Comment by Tdogger at 08/09/2014 at 02:51 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Very upsetting but also very true. If Reddit is taking a stance on being as neutral as possible, then allowing these pictures to stay up falls into that realm. I think that's what they were talking about when they said they felt they were in an uncomfortable situation. There are many arguments against allowing deplorable content on the website, but remaining neutral requires them to stay out of issues that the law does not require them to become involved in. If those people want those pictures off Reddit then they need to use the law to fight it. If they don't have the resources then they can't fight it, as awful as that may be.
Comment by MrRivet at 08/09/2014 at 04:06 UTC*
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
So what. Who cares. Is he right or is he wrong? Answer that.
Hypocrisy is pointless, and if the motivation in this case was in part due to other factors including external pressure, so what. That's life. I guarantee you operate in the same fashion.
If you have such a problem with the fact that reddit can be influenced by money and power, that's a separate issue altogether (and you're 100% naive for ever thinking that wasn't exactly how it is, and if he didn't always believe that, why do you only complain when they take away the celeb nudes?).
Comment by Arve at 08/09/2014 at 05:29 UTC*
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
What about the people in /r/photoplunder? What about /r/beatingwomen2?
What I don't get is why posting a picture of someone without their willing and informed consent isn't considered "personal information".
Comment by maxToTheJ at 08/09/2014 at 01:52 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Shouldnt the question be asked why arent all subreddits banned in the event of a DMCA?
Another question why isnt /r/Documentaries banned. It is constantly has DMCA'ed content. To top it off it is a **default** subreddit.
Lastly. An individual instead of a celeb would probably have to go around sending DMCAs for individual links for reddit to takedown where as a celebrity seems to be able to file a few DMCAs and get reddit to actively go around taking down links recursively. It obviously isnt even remotely the same standard.
Comment by [deleted] at 08/09/2014 at 03:11 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
So therefore throw up your hands and don't do anything? Pointing to things they may have missed, or things that haven't received a take-down request yet is a piss-poor argument against them taking this action. If you are outraged at these subreddits then file a DMCA request. If you are outraged that they would ban any subreddit, then make that your argument. Otherwise it's just a pointless "gotcha" that basically boils down to "you're not perfect!"
Comment by sudojay at 07/09/2014 at 22:08 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I agree with you wholeheartedly in principle. The issue is that proving that images in other subs are private might be incredibly difficult. The poster could always say that it is an image that belongs to them or it is of a relative who gave them permission, etc. The celebrity photos are a bit different in that we know who they are and they can legitimately lay claim to those images belonging to them.
Comment by Zombie989 at 08/09/2014 at 05:40 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Agreed. It happened to a close friend of mine, and even when she had attorneys contact the social media sites (requiring the removal of specific pictures) the sites didn't lift a finger or bat an eye. The only reason I can see media caring NOW is who's involved and who's been hurt.
Comment by Scotty_NZ at 08/09/2014 at 02:09 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
So, after reading this, I decided to check out those SubReddits. The more posts put out by the Reddit admins, the deeper the hole. Just give up, stop talking, go to the pub and wait for this to blow over.
Also, those SubReddits are appalling.
Comment by interfect at 08/09/2014 at 03:02 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
If we believe OP, those subs aren't banned because they take a comparatively small amount of administrator time.
If you want to ban them, find a way to make them an inordinate burden on the admins to keep around.
Comment by Serenity101 at 08/09/2014 at 08:12 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I had no idea these things existed here. Time for me to leave, in search of a reddit alternative that has the wherewithal to ban subs that clearly violate the law -and- human decency.
Comment by [deleted] at 08/09/2014 at 00:55 UTC
1 upvotes, 1 direct replies
I'm not going to click on a link which I think might take me to photos of beaten women, but I would hope that a subreddit sharing photos of that would be banned. That's sickening.
Comment by PurpleZeppelin at 08/09/2014 at 05:40 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
FUCK!!!! Because of my damned curiosity/disbelief I've discovered new subreddits that I never knew existed. I had no idea Reddit has such dark content :(
Comment by Ithurtsprecious at 08/09/2014 at 05:20 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Holy fuck, all these boards need to be banned /r/CuteFemaleCorpses /r/RapeHumor /r/HotRapeStories /r/PicsOfDeadKids /r/KillingWomen /r/SexyAbortions /r/RapingRetards /r/beatingwomen /r/ChokeABitch /r/BeatingCripples
I feel sick to my stomach
Comment by Aiyon at 07/09/2014 at 23:34 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
While I'm not condoning /r/photoplunder, it *does* say "in public view". So it's not like they *stole* the pics.
Comment by LPYoshikawa at 08/09/2014 at 03:25 UTC
1 upvotes, 1 direct replies
All of these subreddits fucking disgusts me. What the actual fuck!?!?!! Are there really these fucking disgusting human being out there with fucking fetish like this?!!
Comment by Lingenfelter at 08/09/2014 at 11:24 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
TIL that their is a weird part of reddit named: /r/cutefemalecorpses