Comment by LatrodectusVariolus on 07/09/2014 at 08:27 UTC*

1243 upvotes, 27 direct replies (showing 25)

we feel it is necessary to maintain as neutral a platform as possible,

Then why did you ban a blackladies mod? If you're keeping hands off then why are you banning individual users that do things like call out the admins for refusing to help them deal with people brigading their subs and posting dead mutilated black children?

Is it because she was gaining traction with online news sources picking up her story?

If your policy is hands off, why does that not extend to users like /u/DualPollux and Swore? Why are the admins picking and choosing who to target?

Why does Unidan get to create a new account that he publicly links to his old account but when users that point out racism and bigotry on this site do the same thing their new accounts are immediately banned?

It takes legal action for you to get involved and remove stolen pictures from reddit but you're more than willing to swoop in and get your hands dirty to ban people who say "Hey, there's racism and people admitting to rape (then giving out the victims username) on reddit!"

If you want to be hands off, be hands off. But be *consistent.* Don't say "we stay neutral" when the site is in uproar over stolen pictures then ban a blackladies mod by saying she's interfering with the culture of specific subreddits.

What interfered with the culture more? TheFappening or /u/DualPollux?

(And I don't mean *you* specifically. I mean *you* the admins.)

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Comment by 0l01o1ol0 at 07/09/2014 at 11:46 UTC

269 upvotes, 9 direct replies

banning individual users that do things like call out the admins for refusing to help them deal with people brigading their subs and posting dead mutilated black children?

Jesus, the more I hear about the back-room stuff at reddit the worse it sounds.

Is there some kind of site or subreddit that keeps track of Admin actions like banning subs, changing mods, etc?

Comment by [deleted] at 07/09/2014 at 11:52 UTC

149 upvotes, 2 direct replies

Yes, absolutely. The handling of this was completely fumbled by the admins.

There's a clear bias to who and what they shut down and it has nothing to do with morality like they claim.

Comment by [deleted] at 07/09/2014 at 12:41 UTC

77 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Because they're not neutral at all. And also, Unidan was a Gold machine anyway.

Comment by wmcscrooge at 07/09/2014 at 12:43 UTC

12 upvotes, 1 direct replies

About the Unidan thing at least, I think that they're allowing it because of the whole culture that reddit has with multiple accounts. It's fine for Unidan to have a new account as long as it doesn't participate in the same behaviour that got him banned last time (vote manipulation).

Comment by duckvimes_ at 07/09/2014 at 14:45 UTC

4 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Why does Unidan get to create a new account that he publicly links to his old account but when users that point out racism and bigotry on this site do the same thing their new accounts are immediately banned?

To be fair, they usually let people create new accounts after shadowbans. It's only after someone's been shadowbanned numerous times that they'll prevent any new accounts.

Comment by wildmetacirclejerk at 07/09/2014 at 12:05 UTC

4 upvotes, 2 direct replies

Eli5 on the unidan thing? I don't remember that

Comment by [deleted] at 07/09/2014 at 11:47 UTC*

12 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Oh, also, why did you delete this post[1] three times for asking the same question more bluntly?

1: http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/2fpdax/time_to_talk/ckbhxuu

Comment by [deleted] at 07/09/2014 at 10:41 UTC*

26 upvotes, 1 direct replies

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Comment by TheRedGerund at 07/09/2014 at 17:19 UTC

2 upvotes, 1 direct replies

I remember seeing a similar question on the blackladies issue on the original blog post. I believe one of the justifications was that that mod doxxed people often. Is that true?

Comment by sarahbotts at 07/09/2014 at 13:31 UTC

2 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Wasn't there some evidence though that she was doing vote-manipulation and did doxx threats? Not that it is more important than the fappening, but maybe she stood out more because she messaged the admins more than in the pictures shown?

Comment by HaiKarate at 07/09/2014 at 12:46 UTC

1 upvotes, 1 direct replies

I think the key words here are "as possible". Any individual has the free will to distribute material of questionable legality. But once that individual puts Reddit in the position of having to legally defend that person's actions, then Reddit has to decide where to draw the line.

In the US the First Amendment grants us the right to freedom of speech; however, the SCOTUS has determined that that freedom is not absolute. Reddit is no different. There's certain types of speech that can't be tolerated.

Comment by alarmrings at 08/09/2014 at 06:03 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

now it sounds like reddit is a little fiefdom run by 15 year olds.

Comment by GammaKing at 07/09/2014 at 09:58 UTC

-2 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Then why did you ban a blackladies mod? If you're keeping hands off then why are you banning individual users that do things like call out the admins for refusing to help them deal with people brigading their subs and posting dead mutilated black children?

So the admins then tell the user that their sub wasn't being brigaded and that the ban tool is there for dealing with trolls, yet that's apparently not good enough?

Inconsistent banning of subs is bad enough, but the insistent "admins are racist" spin you guys keep trying to put on the blackladies scenario is fucking ridiculous.

I thought it had been established that /u/DualPollux was banned for constantly brigading and interfering with other subs she doesn't like.

Comment by [deleted] at 07/09/2014 at 18:15 UTC

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Comment by justforsavesonly at 08/09/2014 at 05:18 UTC

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Because being an admin is like trying to manage the tide with a bucket and a couple sand bags. Last I checked, there were over 8000 subreddits. I don't even want to guess how many comments are posted on reddit every minute of every day. I think there was something on r/dataisbeautiful

Comment by suulia at 07/09/2014 at 17:02 UTC

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Because they're firefighting. Once the fire is out, they leave and don't want or have to deal with the soot and the water and the destruction left behind.

Then they take notice only when there's another fire.

Comment by stufff at 07/09/2014 at 10:11 UTC

0 upvotes, 2 direct replies

I'm upvoting a fucking SRSer because as much as I despise them, what happened here is still unacceptable.

Comment by [deleted] at 07/09/2014 at 14:44 UTC

1 upvotes, 1 direct replies

I thought the /r/blackladies mod got banned because she was a known doxxer? Link to the issue, read the below posts

Comment by Jalor at 07/09/2014 at 15:57 UTC

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Why are the admins picking and choosing who to target?

Swore doxxed another user and reported a crime to the police *against the wishes of the alleged victim*.

Comment by TPRT at 08/09/2014 at 01:02 UTC

0 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Are you serious? She broke every reddit rule possible, was a caustic human being and would not stop. They had every right to ban her according to reddit's rules.

The rest I agree with you on, though.

Comment by [deleted] at 07/09/2014 at 11:21 UTC

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

If a guy made your site quite a bit of money would you really want him gone? That's my Unidan theory.