Comment by stevepls on 29/01/2025 at 22:03 UTC

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View submission: Trans Women, Male Privilege, and the Intersectionality of Patriarchal Oppression

idk, i think you're missing a few things:

• trans women's reproductive ability is also controlled. access to transition usually requires some form of sterilization.
• the requirements to perform an insane level of heterosexual femininity in order to access transition is very straightforwardly misogyny.
• people clock shit about you before you clock yourself. this can lead to bullying, but also things like CSA. also, CSA isn't solely a misogyny problem, it's also a "this society hates kids problem" but i digress.
• my friends who are trans women are victims of misogyny basically as soon as they're visibly women. you only talked about transphobia and dysphoria. my friend gets interrupted and talked over in a STEM job as much as i do. and before that, trans women are still targeted for sexual harassment by men because of their perceived gender non-conformity. the harassment is there to police the borders of "manhood" and "womanhood" which is why men will sexually harass other men for being short or whatever. it's still misogyny though.
• fetishists. either in the form of women viewing them as diet women they can experiment with (but never date or care for in a real capacity) or in the form of chasers/etc who view a trans woman transitioning as like, degrading and threatening to their own masculinity (and therefore is an acceptable target of violence). trans women are largely seen as disposable when compared to cis women, so misogynistic violence against them is acceptable.

overall your post doesn't seem to contend with the actual misogyny that trans women experience.

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Comment by stevepls at 29/01/2025 at 22:08 UTC*

33 upvotes, 2 direct replies

my thoughts are more muddled here, but i also do think that being a trans woman and being around men when they think no women are present is its own unique kind of horror tbh. don't know that I'd call that a privilege.

but i can see what you mean around being percieved as a man providing certain (conditional) protections.

on the other hand as a tme nb lesbian...being closeted was not a privilege. sure it protected me from certain forms of homophobia but like. passing privilege is not real, and extending the mantle of male privilege to trans women pre-transition feels analogous to that.

Comment by njsullyalex at 30/01/2025 at 06:46 UTC

7 upvotes, 1 direct replies

This is not to say trans women's reproductive autonomy is controlled to the same extent as cis women. It absolutely is not, not even close. But one thing I personally have dealt with as a trans woman was being asked about if I'd want to have kids in the future and having my parents try to convince me to bank sperm before transition. They keep asking me for biological grandkids that they aren't getting because I plan on getting bottom surgery next year. I want that surgery so I can feel comfortable in my body but there are still people who feel entitled to trying to get me to not get it for the purpose of me producing children.

My girlfriend is cis and has zero desire to ever get pregnant. I can't blame her one bit, and I would never expect or try to convince a partner to get pregnant on my behalf. Its her body and her choice what she does with it. And personally I find it offensive that my parents would expect me to get her pregnant when neither of us want that.

Once again, please don't take this as trying to say my experiences are the same as what cis women deal with when it comes to reproductive control. Its not and I'll never experience the trauma many of you have had with others trying to force you to do things with your body that you don't want. I'm just sharing some of my personal experiences that might be at least somewhat relatable.

Comment by SuperPrussia at 29/01/2025 at 22:55 UTC

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All of your concerns are correct. Please note that I noted trans women seldom face misogyny BEFORE they transition. Once they transition, any remnants of male privilege are rescinded and they are replaced by transmisogyny or just misogyny if the person is able to pass. And yes, generally transmisogyny is far more nasty and aggressive than general misogyny.