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The hatred for libertarians is amazing. How people can be this hateful to those of us who believe in voluntary human interaction is amazing. You people are sick in the head.
Comment by freakwent at 20/01/2025 at 09:53 UTC
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I don't think it's hatred, but we feel that removing so many institutions and safeguards and regulations - many of which people died for - is just really high stakes, and that a move so drastic should be driven by evidence, not by ideology.
We've seen examples and situations where a population has thrived under capitalism, or social democracy, or arguably democratic socialism, and at a small scale, perhaps we can find examples of communes which have thrived.
But I think for libertarian as an ideology to have credibility at scale -- especially the scale of the USA -- there's gotta be a solid POC prototype put in place first.
The USA is by almost any measure the most successful nation that's ever existed. For almost all of that time it's been a capitalist democracy, able and willing to regulate businesses and individuals via elected officials. It's by no means certain that a wholesale shift to any other system would necessarily lead to more happiness, safety, wealth or whatever other aspect we are seeking to optimise here.
To put this another way -- we don't need a new Libertarian constitution if we are to stop putting people in chain gangs for nonviolent crimes, or to stop whatever other excesses of state power it is that has people so stressed out.
Comment by mrkfn at 20/01/2025 at 12:35 UTC
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It’s not hatred for libertarians in general, it’s just that libertarianism is a childish fantasy and the people who profess it are not serious people. The hatred you sense is simply the adults in the room trying to convince children that fantasyland isn’t real.