Comment by Oriin690 on 14/01/2025 at 15:49 UTC

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As a nonbinary person I don’t really associate anything specific with being a woman or a man. Gender is an individualistic experience so what one woman or man makes them feel like a women or man can be different.

Take feminine men and masculine women. They still feel like men and women right? Not because of any gender stereotypes they’re fulfilling, they have some sort of internal identity. When people mistake them for the other gender they might feel a wrongness, like they’re being seen as something they are not.

Nonbinary people don’t feel like men or women. They feel like nothing (agender) or maybe a little like a man or women or maybe they’re gender-fluid etc. their sense of internal identity is just not in that binary. They can masculine feminine androgynous and as a nonbinary person I know nonbinary people of all presentations.

And yes these senses can be tied to stereotypes. Many men find it gender affirming to do masculine Things and many women can find it affirming to to do feminine things and what those things are is societal. But you can also have say a masculine women wear a tuxedo and say she feels like a powerful woman. It’s like individualistic.

Perhaps it’s disconcerting or confusing to understand that much of society is feeling some sort of internal sense with no strict definition besides itself. But that’s how it be.

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Comment by mcbriza at 14/01/2025 at 17:17 UTC*

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“As a nonbinary person I don’t really associate anything specific with being a woman or man.” “Nonbinary people don’t feel like men or women.”

I don’t understand this logic. You first say you don’t associate anything with being a woman or man. But you also don’t feel like a man or a woman, which is implying that there *is* a feeling associated with being a man or woman, that you do not feel. How can you say there’s nothing you associate with being a woman or man while acknowledging there’s a woman or man feeling that you don’t have?

Am I misunderstanding?