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View submission: Do non-binary identities reenforce gender stereotypes?
Yes I will spell it out for you, though your snarky “rent free” comment makes it seem like you’re the typical 16-20 year old immature redditor not really interested in a real conversation, I’ll still spell it out for you.
The notion of gender is incoherent and illogical.
The notion of gender makes people feel alienated, as they fail to associate to one (or more) gender(s).
The logical solution is to reject the concept of gender, because it is the culprit behind people feeling alienated.
Using that very same concept of gender to “solve” the problem that gender is posing is incoherent and irrational.
Lastly note the context, where I was replying to someone saying basically “internal sense of gender” is some magical thing that you “just know”, that is a load of bullshit and self gaslighting, the error is to think that how you feel about who you are has to, in any way, have anything to do with a completely made up concept of gender.
As to “if it doesn’t matter why is it rent free in your head”, that is a weak and pathetic argument, this is reddit where people have exchanges, if I were to assume everything you made comments on lived rent free in your head you’d look like even more of an ignorant moron than you already do
Comment by Agreeable_Tennis_482 at 13/01/2025 at 11:48 UTC
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Well said. I think a lot of people who talk about gender and identity are actually, as you said, 16-20 year olds and uneducated ones at that. They are only capable of regurgitating the discourse around gender without deeply engaging with it so they are incapable of even thinking about the concepts that you are bringing up.
There is a lot to all this gender discourse that are blindly accepted without critical thinking, which is just as bad as all the societal expectations around men and women we have all been conditioned to believe all this time. I'm sure actually educated gender theorists would be aware of the issues you bring up, but a lot of casual people who would argue with you on here are basically just as bad as people who bought into masculine and feminine gender conventions, just from the other side. But there is an alarming amount of similarity in both sides' lack of deep critical engagement with the ideas that they claim to be so fundamental to their sense of self.
Comment by Ok-College-2202 at 13/01/2025 at 09:22 UTC
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You seem to have a cohesive argument that’s similar to what I was wondering, thank you for putting it into words in a way that doesn’t come across as bigoted :)
Comment by Rombom at 12/01/2025 at 16:51 UTC*
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Yes I will spell it out for you, though your snarky “rent free” comment makes it seem like you’re the typical 16-20 year old immature redditor not really interested in a real conversation, I’ll still spell it out for you.
Your self righteous outrage in response to some mild snark makes it seem like you're the typical 60+ year old immature reddit who is only interested in bitching about others but terrified of looking inward. I generally don't act on such assumptions, but I'd say my view is more accurate than yours if you do.
The logical solution is to reject the concept of gender, because it is the culprit behind people feeling alienated.
This is literally what non-binary people do. They say "hey this gender stuff is actually kind of dumb and I don't define myself though that lens". It's the rest of us being illogical by clinging to gender norms.
astly note the context, where I was replying to someone saying basically “internal sense of gender” is some magical thing that you “just know”, that is a load of bullshit and self gaslighting, the error is to think that how you feel about who you are has to, in any way, have anything to do with a completely made up concept of gender.
We all have internal senses that direct our actions. I've never met a straight person who didn't simply "know" they were straight without having to try any gay stuff. All concepts are made up. It is totally natural that people associate themselves with concepts. There is no such thing as this "free identity". Defining yourself with a single label is misguided, but you're deluding yourself if you deny that you are a member of an interlocking set of human group classifications.