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View submission: Do non-binary identities reenforce gender stereotypes?
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Comment by Spallanzani333 at 12/01/2025 at 23:22 UTC
6 upvotes, 3 direct replies
I very strongly identify as a woman, and I'm cis. I'm not even particularly feminine in how I dress. But if I envision myself with dick or with a deep voice, it feels wrong. I like people with them, but I absolutely don't want one myself, even for 24 hours. For a lot of trans people, it's not about gender roles, it's about their body. I'm cis, but I get that because I would be very distressed to suddenly wake up with a masculine body and told that I'm a man.
Some people are ambivalent, and that's fine. It's a spectrum, just like sexuality.
Comment by Ok-Application-4573 at 12/01/2025 at 20:18 UTC
11 upvotes, 5 direct replies
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that gender is important to people. Even if you explain to someone that gender is fake and they don't need to label themselves, that doesn't change the fact that if people were to see themselves with a body or presentation that clashed with their gender identity, it would make them freak out. Gender is just too important part of a lot of people's psychologies. It's emotional, most people can't logic their way into not having a gender identity.
Comment by Agreeable_Tennis_482 at 13/01/2025 at 11:29 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Agree completely. We should stop trying to conform to limited boxes and outside expectations and just keep being ourselves. Gender is just a label with no meaning to me. It changes nothing about who I am.
Comment by True-Professor-2169 at 12/01/2025 at 21:33 UTC
2 upvotes, 1 direct replies
I think it all comes down to— if everyone is the same by default, how would a social community of animals work together? In Prehistoric terms. Doesn’t one thing need to be complementary to another (NO NOT COMPLi-MENTARY; that’s a different word) for them to work together? Every person can’t be king, so out of necessity there evolved to be different roles. I think modern humans have complicated it!
Comment by The-Mirrorball-Man at 13/01/2025 at 12:41 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Logic would tell you that social constructs, like gender, law and money are not only not fake, but have very real, very tangible effects on our lives
Comment by AlmostCynical at 12/01/2025 at 16:14 UTC
3 upvotes, 2 direct replies
What if the rejection of social conventions extends to the point where you decide to go against the convention that your body should match that of your birth sex?
Comment by Ok-College-2202 at 13/01/2025 at 09:17 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Yeah this is kinda what I thought too. But it’s so confusing cause when thinking like this I agree with OP that it seems like trans and nonbinary people seem to be reinforcing gender norms ( no transphobia here just curiousity)
Comment by cripple2493 at 12/01/2025 at 22:53 UTC
1 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Gender role, and gender expression aren't gender
Regardless of if I "act like a man" (which is all socially constructed) I still don't feel that being a man is incongruent to me. I am myself, and that happens to be a man. To use logic, as you requested, just because **you** feel something doesn't mean that everyone else does. To you, gender may feel fake, to others, this isn't the case.
Comment by Rombom at 12/01/2025 at 16:00 UTC*
1 upvotes, 2 direct replies
If its so arbitrary why does it matter to you so much thst people want to "hop"? We still use gendered pronouns, should we switch everything to "they"?