Comment by dreagonheart on 12/01/2025 at 11:24 UTC

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View submission: Do non-binary identities reenforce gender stereotypes?

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You're taking teenagers' understanding of a concept as your basis for whether or not it makes sense? Teenagers OFTEN misunderstand the ideals that they support. The vast, vast majority of nonbinary people and allies advocate for dismantling gender stereotypes and roles, supporting the idea that anyone should be able to dress how they like, act how they like, etc., without it being seen as a comment on their gender.

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Comment by poli_trial at 12/01/2025 at 11:57 UTC

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You're taking teenagers' understanding of a concept as your basis for whether or not it makes sense? Teenagers OFTEN misunderstand the ideals that they support.

Simplified versions of ideology is what most people end up holding unless they study the topic at university level or spend extensive amounts of time thinking about such questions. As such, teenagers are actually a perfect example of what is getting across on a mass culture level of the application of modern gender ideology since they're the ones in this ecosystem more than anyone. I don't think most 15 year olds are reading Judith Butler, but neither are most 35 year olds.

The vast, vast majority of nonbinary people and allies advocate for dismantling gender stereotypes and roles, supporting the idea that anyone should be able to dress how they like, act how they like, etc., without it being seen as a comment on their gender.

Pretty clear to me that the choice to take on a queer/nonbinary identity is actually a huge comment on gender. Otherwise, why would you do it? If one actually wanted make gender trivial or unimportant, one would reduce its salience and discard it as a useful heuristic for expectations of behavior. Yet, most nonbinary people do exactly the opposite and loudly exclaim nonconformity. What does it leave for those that don't?