Comment by BluuberryBee on 12/01/2025 at 09:21 UTC

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View submission: Do non-binary identities reenforce gender stereotypes?

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Some people express themselves sin stereotypical ways, others don't. The progressive stance is more along the lines of "if this person believes this about themselves, and a reasonable person concludes it doesn't harm them or others, why not respect it?"

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Comment by mcbriza at 12/01/2025 at 09:49 UTC

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I can understand that perspective. But I feel that’s leading us down a path to confusion. We all need to have a shared understanding of words and categories in order to have a functioning society, especially when it comes to protected classes. If one person defines a category one way, and another person defines it a different way, that’s incoherent. If one person believes a man is anyone who is stereotypically masculine, and another person believes a man is anyone who is male, it’s not a coherent category. Those are two overlapping, but not mutually inclusive groups of people. That incoherence, and each group not accepting the other group’s definition, is what I think causes so much tension around this topic.

Comment by pen_and_inkling at 12/01/2025 at 13:21 UTC*

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Sure. We apply the same standard to religious beliefs. But importantly, a progressive and tolerant stance does not require anyone to express agreement with anyone’s else’s sincerely-held beliefs…only to honor their right to express them even when others disagree.