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View submission: COVID denialism and policy clarifications
You're just muddying the waters in a selfish attempt at folding everything into your paranoid delusion. No subs went dark and no one launched a protest because you want to believe the earth is flat or that you're shifting realities because you forgot where you put your car keys. No one cares if you want to believe in that crap and Reddit not only gave you a platform to talk about it, but protects your right to do so. You of course dismiss that because it doesn't fit into your delusion of persecution.
The issue is when this nonsense crosses a line and people get hurt or even die as a result. That's what people are taking a stand against— misinformation and propaganda that presents a real and tangible threat to people's health and lives. No one is coming after you for believing in conspiracies that don't harm others.
Ironically you spout off about free speech, but you want to curtail people's free speech when it doesn't agree with what you want to believe. Why aren't you supporting people speaking out against propaganda and misinformation? You just stated people should be free to believe what they want. Shouldn't you support their right to believe it? I guess you only believe that when people share the same beliefs, eh? Free speech is an all or nothing deal. This isn't about free speech anyway, because no one is obligated to give you a platform on their private property to spout your nonsense. You're free to open your own website so no, your freedoms aren't curtailed.
Let's stop pretending like everyone is either against or with you. If you have real scientific, peer-reviewed facts, most everyone here is up to hearing what you have to say. There will always be outliers on either side of the debate, but that doesn't mean everyone is either fighting the conspiracy or part of it. The issue is people passing of assumptions and beliefs that get others killed. It's that simple. You do not have the right to take away my choice not to get COVID just because you're unable to think critically and you're more concerned with being right than about doing the right thing.
Think of it this way. It would've taken several weeks of quarantining to nip this issue in the bud, but people wanted to act like common sense advice like staying indoors was a government conspiracy to curtail freedoms. Bitch, please. Don't pretend like conspiracy nonsense like this hasn't been the major cause of the virus turning into a pandemic.
The bottom line is you cannot have an opinion about something you know nothing about. Can you debate the best surgical techniques to use during a triple bypass with a trained cardiac surgeon? Then why do you feel you know everything there is to know about infectious disease and medicine when you know jack squat? You only feel you know everything because you know nothing. You don't know all of the facts that prove you wrong, or the variables you need to consider because you don't know to even consider them in the first place. So let's stop pretending this about controlling your thoughts or whatever delusional BS you believe in. This is about real, tangible harm to my friends and loved ones because people like you can't admit they're wrong and don't have the knowledge they need to know better.
Comment by 3mj4y0h at 01/09/2021 at 20:28 UTC
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The problem I have with this is your statement about peer reviewed reputable studies being accepted by you and other redditors.
What I have found is that the consensus is “safe and effective” and therefore anything countering that narrative, regardless of how seemingly reliable it might be, is deemed misinformation.
Why is misinformation all of a sudden a massive problem and seemingly spreading like wilfire? Where was this for all other conspiracy theories?
What are people getting out of pushing these other than ruining their reputation, careers, and even possibly risking their lives?
Comment by joaomf9 at 01/09/2021 at 19:25 UTC
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TL DR.
Comment by dailysunshineKO at 01/09/2021 at 19:37 UTC
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This is such a sensible and carefully-thought-out post. Well done.
Comment by MDCCCLV at 01/09/2021 at 20:04 UTC
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I actually don't agree with this. You can not know how to do surgery but still argue with a surgeon over whether surgeries are really necessary and if they are overly relied on. You only need the metastudies on long term effectiveness and cost.
I disagree with the current approach to covid for example and think we should be using a more cutthroat approach and testing the vaccines directly by exposing vaccinated people to contagious people in a challenge study. I also think we should have done the same when it very first appeared and deliberately infected people, getting real verifiable data that it was highly airborne and not just droplets based very early on would have saved thousands of lives and maybe millions.
Comment by Admirable_Bonus_5747 at 01/09/2021 at 22:42 UTC
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So I'd tend to believe in the altruistic front you propose if unvaccinated people dying from Covid was not voted to the top of r/all for several days. At first glance you could say it's a warning. Opening those posts showed celebration of death voted to the top. If you died you died but they were enjoying it quite a bit which is pretty fucked up. If you didn't see that then your head was in the sand. If you are cool with that celebration then I don't know what to say.