Comment by JagmeetSingh2 on 01/09/2021 at 18:31 UTC

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View submission: COVID denialism and policy clarifications

Yep it’s misinformation that gets people killed. How many anti-vaxxers have succumbed to covid now, how many of them are taking up all the rooms in an ICU

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Comment by aapenguin at 01/09/2021 at 19:06 UTC*

-8 upvotes, 13 direct replies

Except here’s a study showing those with vaccines are still getting infected. They even *potentially* present larger risk of infection than those with natural immunity.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Edit: Politicians from 2020 discrediting the validity of a vaccine that gets released within the year: https://youtu.be/4O-yhrFcujI

Second edit: Covid isn’t the only thing killing. Consider if the covid restrictions are worth it when all of the following is taking place..

Detrimental Effects of Lockdowns Divided by Causes:

1 in 5 adults developed mental disorders - https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/1-in-5-adults-developed-pandemic-related-mental-disorders-analysis/article33417333.ece

1 in 4 young adults suicidal - https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/mental-health/527380-75-percent-of-young-adults-mentally-struggling-with

Effects of isolation on elderly - (1) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25697700/

(7) https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18590724.sedation-manage-lockdown-distress-may-led-dementia-deaths/

Effects of isolation on the future health of children

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/205331

https://www.unicef.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Unicef-UK-Children-In-Lockdown-Coronavirus-Impacts-Snapshot.pdf

Mental illness in children rising due to lockdowns - https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hospitals-see-high-rates-of-mental-illness-in-children-during-pandemic

Half of young adults showing signs of depression - https://fee.org/articles/harvard-researchers-nearly-half-of-young-adults-showing-signs-of-depression-amid-pandemic/

The mental health of students - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55105044

Suicidal thoughts greater in those under restrictions and unchanged in those without any - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165178120323477

Prevalence of depression before and after in the US - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2770146

Cases of depression in the US have tripled - https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/us-cases-of-depression-have-tripled-during-the-covid-19-pandemic

US Census shows 48% of Wa adults have depression - https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/demo/hhp/hhp15.html#tables

Lockdowns pose great threat to mental health - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/27/covid-poses-greatest-threat-to-mental-health-since-second-world-war

Suicides:

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/[1] https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/dealing-with-a-lot-suicide-crisis-calls-mount-during-covid-19-pandemic-1.5215056[2]

1: https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/

2: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/dealing-with-a-lot-suicide-crisis-calls-mount-during-covid-19-pandemic-1.5215056

Suicides among black people spiked during lockdowns - https://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-hs-black-suicides-pandemic-20201216-2g46em2d2nd5vjwlu7q2uq5x6y-story.html

Suicides up sharply in Toronto - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-suicides-on-the-ttc-have-risen-sharply-over-the-last-eight-months/

Trends in suicide during the pandemic - https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352[3] Canadians in quarantine twice as likely to have suicidal thoughts - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/quarantine-mental-health-1.5809865[4]

3: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352

4: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/quarantine-mental-health-1.5809865

Military suicides up 20% - https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-27/military-suicides-increase-covid-19-pandemic

Suicides up among children - https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/09/24/cook-childrens-alarming-rise-suicide-patients/

Economy and Poverty:

8 million Americans pushed into poverty - https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/16/poverty-rising/[5] A year of lockdowns has destroyed a decade of progress - https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-development-progress-reversed-1.5849383[6]

5: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/16/poverty-rising/

6: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-development-progress-reversed-1.5849383

10k Canadian restaurants gone forever - https://www.narcity.com/en-ca/eat-drink/canadian-restaurant-closures-reach-10000-in-2020-the-job-loss-numbers-are-shocking

150 million people forced into extreme poverty - https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/covid-19-to-add-as-many-as-150-million-extreme-poor-by-2021

10k US restaurants forced to close - https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/business/restaurant-closures-coronavirus/index.html

Economic toll on young Americans - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/09/coronavirus-young-economy-unemployment-mental-health

2 million UK families pushed into poverty - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/09/covid-driven-recession-likely-to-push-2m-uk-families-into-poverty

NYC bankruptcies surge 40% - https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/new-york-bankruptcies-reportedly-surge-40percent-during-pandemic.html

National lockdowns pushing up to 100 million people into poverty - https://www.economist.com/international/2020/09/26/the-pandemic-is-plunging-millions-back-into-extreme-poverty?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/fromplaguetopenurythepandemicisplungingmillionsbackintoextremepovertyinternational&__twitter_impression=true

European small businesses closing - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-22/half-of-europe-s-smaller-businesses-risk-bankruptcy-within-year?sref=RJ2RlMrh

New Zealand's success story pushed 70k children into poverty - https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/covid-19-deals-big-blow-reducing-child-poverty-in-nz

Hunger and Starvation:

UNICEF for the first time having to feed UK children - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-55348047[7] 168k child hunger deaths predicted in Africa - https://apnews.com/article/africa-hunger-study-coronavirus-children-0e2a17d63163d8558d203b2824a844fe[8] https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-123716/v1[9]

7: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-55348047

8: https://apnews.com/article/africa-hunger-study-coronavirus-children-0e2a17d63163d8558d203b2824a844fe

9: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-123716/v1

82% increase in food insecurity - https://www.wfp.org/news/world-food-programme-assist-largest-number-hungry-people-ever-coronavirus-devastates-poor

6k children a die die thanks to lockdown hunger - https://pcpj.org/2020/10/11/6000-children-die-of-hunger-caused-by-corona-every-day/

Almost 1.2 million babies could die because of lockdowns - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/almost-12-million-babies-could-die-during-the-pandemic-but-not-from-the-coronavirus-2020-07-02

Hunger crisis to affect up to 132 million people in sub-Saharan Africa because of lockdowns - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02281-w?sf236625656=1

Other Effects on Children:

Poor students suffering in online classes - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-21/affluent-families-ditch-public-schools-widening-u-s-inequality

Lockdowns fuel child labor - https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/rest-of-africa/lockdown-fuels-child-labour-in-zimbabwe-3230912

Negatives of school closures more than benefits - https://www.unicef.org/media/86881/file/Averting-a-lost-covid-generation-world-childrens-day-data-and-advocacy-brief-2020.pdf

Negative impacts of lockdowns on children - https://www.unicef.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Unicef-UK-Children-In-Lockdown-Coronavirus-Impacts-Snapshot.pdf

Sharp rise of eating disorders in children - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55468632

Substance Abuse:

OD deaths at highest point in 12 month period - https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p1218-overdose-deaths-covid-19.html

Canadian OD deaths - (1) https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/alberta-sets-record-904-opioid-deaths-to-date-in-2020-cites-covid-19-as-factor-1.5238113

US ODs rising - https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/us/cdc-pandemic-fatal-drug-overdoses-rise/index.html[10] Every week of lockdowns increases binge drinking -

10: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/us/cdc-pandemic-fatal-drug-overdoses-rise/index.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/12/201207091306.html

Domestic/Sexual Abuse:

US lockdowns trigger surge in domestic abuse - https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200410/us-lockdowns-trigger-surge-in-domestic-violence

Child abuse up - https://www.wcvb.com/article/health-experts-note-pandemics-possible-impacts-on-child-abuse/34932582

School closures inhibit child abuse reports - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7441889/

Domestic violence up - https://www.king5.com/article/news/community/incidents-of-domestic-violence-are-[11] skyrocketing-during-covid/281-c8d650b6-b568-437b-948c-861768e92a57

11: https://www.king5.com/article/news/community/incidents-of-domestic-violence-are-

Abuse more severe during lockdowns - https://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ts/news/canada/2020/11/25/canada-wide-survey-of-womens-shelters-shows-abuse-more-severe-during-pandemic.html

Child sexual abuse underreported during lockdowns - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54169197

Undiagnosed Diseases:

Cancer diagnoses down - (1) https://www.cancernetwork.com/view/delay-in-cancer-screening-and-diagnosis-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-what-is-the-cost

(6) 35k excess cancer deaths thanks to lockdowns - https://archive.is/ZKmaj

Portion of excess deaths due to lockdowns - (1) https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/13/us/deaths-covid-other-causes.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Excess cardiac deaths - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293523/

33% drop in heart attack patients, 58% drop in stroke patients - https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/05/dramatic-drops-in-er-visits-likely-led-to-uncounted-deaths/

15k extra Alzheimer deaths not related to COVID - https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-pandemic-led-to-surge-in-alzheimers-deaths-11593345601

People dying because of lockdowns - https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/07/10/more-people-are-dying-during-the-pandemic-and-not-just-from-covid-19

Edit 3: Bonus NYT updated an error on their article stating 70% of ivermectin users being reported to poison control, whereas it was actually only 2%! Talk about misinformation… off by a ratio of 35:1…

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/new-york-times-forced-to-correct-major-error-on-ivermectin?_amp=true

Comment by lilThickchongkong at 01/09/2021 at 19:19 UTC*

-6 upvotes, 5 direct replies

Talk to me about then.

Not vax, i have worked for 16 months straight with no gloves or ppe. I’ve handled money, i’ve been in contact with hundreds of people thru out lost track after so long. Delivered items to every city hospital locally, i have been in contact with nurses & Drs for receiving sign offs.

AMA!!!!

Interesting DV bots(Grief’ers)don’t like this? AMA.

Comment by [deleted] at 01/09/2021 at 19:34 UTC

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Comment by PibbleCollector at 01/09/2021 at 21:31 UTC

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It's small-thinking and disingenuous to classify all unvaxxed folks as "anti-vaxxers".

Comment by IrrelevantLeprechaun at 01/09/2021 at 19:03 UTC

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The non vaxxed deaths are about the same as vaxxed deaths so your point is moot.