Comment by Important-Stable-842 on 21/01/2025 at 14:39 UTC*

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View submission: Male victimhood ideology driven by perceived status loss, not economic hardship, among Korean men

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even if they are extremely disadvantaged at the personal, "micro"-level.

But this is their day-to-day experience, it is essentially their world even if it doesn't fit into macro trends. I don't understand how people are just supposed to write off what they live every day. You see a lot of male victims of IPV downplay their own experiences, I really don't want to encourage people to do that kind of thing - already unheard and politicised, and encouraged to be even quieter. The fact that experiences or life circumstances may be divergent or uncommon does nothing to help those with those experiences or circumstances.

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Comment by itchyouch at 21/01/2025 at 17:03 UTC

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Everyone's focusing on the privilege part rather than really the salient point that the way forward is to value things other than earning power.

Sure, peoples lived experiences suck. That's a lot of pain. We can lament all we want. But what does it achieve? How is it productive outside of venting?

If all we do is vent about the injustices of the world, it becomes the focus and creates an infection of red pill-isms.

What we behold is what we become.

I'm not saying this to invalidate or lived realities. But what I'm pointing out is a constructive way forward.

And the constructive way forward is imagining a world that significantly does away with heiarchy. At its core when folks say things like "abolish the patriarchy" "feminism", it's really about remodeling the works without heirachy.

That said, heiarchy and power dynamics never fully go away. But there are pockets of life where we can adopt those principles with each other, with our partners, etc. As a society we've lost many concepts of communal living, and have become incredibly individualistic to our detriment. And we're going to have to learn to give up the individualism for a bit more collaboration.