Comment by itchyouch on 21/01/2025 at 01:17 UTC

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View submission: Male victimhood ideology driven by perceived status loss, not economic hardship, among Korean men

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Sure, but it's very clear that men do have distinct advantages relative to women.

Yes, there is a tremendous amount of pain and sufferring men endure, yet there is so much that are invisible privileges most men take for granted.

One of the biggest is being given the benefit of the doubt in society, thus potential opportunities. Tropes like, man says the same thing as a woman, but no one hears the woman while everyone hears the man. Inherent physical strength advantages, even as a scrawny person.

Not all the advantageous are obvious, so most only see their personal pain. At the "macro"-level, men are advantaged, even if they are extremely disadvantaged at the personal, "micro"-level.

What I see men struggling with though, is that women now have a choice and have a very shortened level of patience for men. Women used to have to hitch on to a man and endure all sorts of pain at the hands of men, but women have finally said, "no more."

And men only see money as their avenue to societal currency. What we really need is a shift to finding our value in the way women have. Through community, connection, depth, kindness and consideration.

We're living in a new era where many men are the elevator operators of old, but men haven't figured out how to adopt to timeless values that aren't earning power.

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Comment by Important-Stable-842 at 21/01/2025 at 14:39 UTC*

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even if they are extremely disadvantaged at the personal, "micro"-level.

But this is their day-to-day experience, it is essentially their world even if it doesn't fit into macro trends. I don't understand how people are just supposed to write off what they live every day. You see a lot of male victims of IPV downplay their own experiences, I really don't want to encourage people to do that kind of thing - already unheard and politicised, and encouraged to be even quieter. The fact that experiences or life circumstances may be divergent or uncommon does nothing to help those with those experiences or circumstances.

Comment by iamarealfeminist at 21/01/2025 at 23:15 UTC

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Women suffer much, much, tremendously more than men. I grew up with a sexist and misogynistic father, as a child he reminded me that he wanted a boy and I saw the disappointment in his eyes. She had a son (my brother). They have the typical father and son relationship, based on misogyny (how do I understand it? I just understand it). I've seen so many gender reveal videos with fathers who hate little girls, it's absurd. After Trump's victory, social media is flooded with hatred for women, "women ☕️" and "inferior beings, now you will go even lower". I'm reliving my life with my father and my brother, we women learn to suffer at an early age for not being male, you don't know how it feels, honestly.

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Comment by yeah_youbet at 21/01/2025 at 02:09 UTC

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yet there is so much that are invisible privileges most men take for granted.

It's an invisible privilege because it's not actually a privilege as much as it is just a lack of intentionally targeted injustices toward minorities. I think we need to stop framing this as a privilege, and focus on the fact that we have systems of oppression affecting minority groups that have yet to be dismantled because we keep pointing at working class white people and treating them like they're the same as the wealthy elite, and grouping them in with the same "privileges", and participating in the same infighting over identity politics that the elites have been perpetuating for the better part of two centuries.