Comment by thatpeterguy on 03/03/2012 at 04:05 UTC

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This is an honest question: is the cause of atheism not something greater than oneself?

This argument could be made for all sorts of things, such as the French Revolution under King Louis XVI. People under that gave themselves up for the cause of equality under the government in terms of taxes and other political aspects. Giving oneself up for something greater doesn't have to be giving oneself up for a god.

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Comment by [deleted] at 03/03/2012 at 14:32 UTC

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It can be, certainly. But it is not, in itself, often fought for. What was fought for in france was social equality and governmental power. What is fought for lately is social equality and the right to equal opportunity. Someone in another thread said, "There are no real Atheist ideals," and it's true. Atheism isn't an organized group and most times an Atheist would describe their lack of faith as just that, and not as a cause.

And I agree with the second point. "Loyalty -- to a **cause**, an **idea**, or a **Nazarene** -- is what gives life its purpose." When I talk about God, I talk about serving Him and trying to let Him guide me. There are some who don't like this idea of living, who say that if I didn't believe I would be free-er to do what I want as an individual. But I contend that everyone is serving someone or something, usually ideals, and that the people who say that often don't realize in themselves what it is that they are serving.