Linux newbies: only pay attention to these:
Alpine, Void, Fedora, OpenSuse, Debian, Arch, NixOS or BSD.
All others are likely useless! Did you know that installing a certain desktop environment gives you the same polish as the fancy linux distro you looking for? And if it does not work properly on the above mentioned Linux Distributions, they should do a better job and focus on that.
Don't flash your operating system just to use another sorta launcher, thats stupid!
Why use mint? "Cuz userfri-"
I, do, not, need, a completely seperate ISO for that! I just need Cinnamon, package GUI and help messages available on Debian. Simple!
Keep it simple, stupid.
1 month ago 路 馃憤 elfener, hanzbrix
Opinion. Scarcely agreeable. 路 1 month ago
So my idea for qualitative success?
Make Linux Channels better. Even Mainstream media are more efficient (except Linux Experiment and DT maybe.) Who gets sponsors if only fanboys listen an hour for useless details? LTT does better, funding Framework (Has PRIORITY)
More clarity with seperate OS branding. Its often misleading, like how Ubuntu shows 6 "flavors" as if its the only way to get another Desktop Environment. And no need for a "seperate OS" when you just develop applications.
Recommend other Libre initiatives too.
Ask for (private) donations AFTER you donated results.
Journalism, not reporting, for (giving attention to, and reviving) Libre initiatives. 路 1 month ago
Also, sorry if my posts appear to lack information, I have to push as much information in the 943 chracters that I am given. And I might be ranting asswell...
One additional note on my last post:
It seems to me that the Linux Desktop space has alot of experience with "Collaboration" but not with "assigning priority" (except for in coding). For that we need to knock on corporations doors.
Somehow we cannot figure out that something is wrong with all those Linux distro's, that efforts are being placed in the wrong aspects, that it is confusing to everyone, that some might asswell be the aftermath of a "Linux from scratch" tutorial etc, quoted from someone else. 路 1 month ago
So basically, my point is that maintainers of useless Linux Distro's (those that perform stuff that do not even require a seperate O.S. brand.) should not invest time and resources in upholding a linux distro brand.
They should focus on what they want to do and collaborate with the REAL Linux Distro's (Mentioned my original post. But I ALSO focused on newbies and those won't run Gentoo unlike one user suggested in the reactions.) in order to ensure that for example their userfriendly products are working good broadly.
If this is too difficult because "Linux Distro bureaucracy" prevents good broad collaboration, it uncovers a deeper problem in the way Linux is developed. 路 1 month ago
My main problem with maintainers like those from Linux Mint is that they branding their own Linux Operating system while the only thing they have to do is develop userfriendly applications. There is no need for a "special OS brand".
And on the opinion of "avoid all corporation backed distros":
Although I do actually agree, that was not my point. Even within ubuntu ITSELF, there are around 6 SEPERATE versions, just to switch from D.E.??
I said in my original post
"You don't switch from android distributions, just to try a different launcher?"
And it applies directly to the above. And as addition I said "if it doesnt work, devs should do a better job." 路 1 month ago
(I referred to a desktop linux setup, cinnamon desktop environment is generally not preferred in servers.)
So if the cinnamon environment on debian does not work properly, they should fix it. And if Debian does not want to include it in their stable repo, then it has to go in the unstable repo. But a casual user very likely does not care that much about this.
A developer shouldn't be content with inexperienced users being burdened to find the solution. Yes they can report it, open a github issue, enter commands found on some internet forums, but it is the developers job to implement the solution, especially for a prominent problem. 路 1 month ago
Most of the reactions I get are that certain things wouldn't work properly in Ubuntu but do in Linux mint for example.
This is what I meant with:
"And if it does not work on the abovementioned distributions then they should do a better Job and focus on that."
AKA if the backlight keys are working on linux mint but not on debian or ubuntu, then these developers should just do a better job at fixing this stuff, or the Mint team should send this patch upstream. 路 1 month ago
I would say avoid anything Ubuntu/Debian based and anything remotely connected to RedHat.
Debian has a lot of modern hardware incompatibilities, Ubuntu and RedHat are backed by players that made it abundantly clear they hate FOSS mentality.
Like others mentioned, for newbies, hardware support is king and IMHO upgrades come second. But that I mean being able to upgrade, without stuff exploding or things breaking.
The only Linux distro's where I have experiende great hardware support and pain free upgrades, is rolling releases when kept up to date and distro's based on Ostree.
I use Silverblue, yes I know, RedHat. 路 1 month ago
For desktop or for server? It's an important detail. For example, ubuntu in vps is norm. But in desktop... well, you know. And do you use arch as server os? It would be seems strange. As me: I prefer arch for my low laptop and deb-based for servers. But I'm old, more 10yrs with linux. 路 1 month ago
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Avoid RedHat, Ubuntu and derivatives, basically? I can understand avoiding corporation-backed distros, but for a newbie, when their backlight keys don't work or their laptop doesn't resume from standby, etc. these are much bigger problems. A distro that just works out of the box with all your hardware is pretty much a requirement, otherwise it's back to proprietary OS. For an experienced user though, different story! 路 1 month ago
KISS distros with systemd? With exactly the same rationale as yours my list would be quite different.
Alpine, Artix, Gentoo. 路 1 month ago
I don't really get where you're coming from and I think you're hugely oversimplifying things.
Sure, you could run Cinnamon on Debian, but the current version of Cinnamon for Bookwork is 5.6.8 whereas even in Linux Mint Debian Edition (Faye) the latest 6.2.9 has been backported to work with it. If you want a stable Debian base with the latest Cinnamon, Mint is a great option.
Mint is great for beginners and usually my go-to when installing Linux for those new to it. It's a great out-of-the-box experience without requiring too much tweaking under the hood. Just because a distro isn't made for you doesn't make it "useless." 路 1 month ago
And the aspect of "forking everything you want to change" is a nice one, ofcource. But the way it hapens with most linux Disro's is so inefficient and does not (publicly) focus on the real tasks or goals. 路 1 month ago
When "Linux Mint" organization gets renamed to "Debian support tool maintainance team" I would agree. But ofcourse Debian would then likely disagree because their name is referenced and their ego trips. Because hey, it is open-source, but lets not use eachothers names in other products!
The only things that Linux Mint team does is hosting their own website, forum, repositories and developing userfriendly programs. Why act as if it needs a seperate Linux Distro?
And so are other Linux distros. Ubuntu has a specialposition because it is backed by big player and played a big role, but even then it is just about fixing bugs and choosing a list of preibstalled apllications. 路 1 month ago