[2024-01-02T01:49:05Z] <riteo> appy birthday sewn!
[2024-01-02T01:49:13Z] <riteo> s/appy/happy/g
[2024-01-02T11:32:19Z] <sewn> hi
[2024-01-02T11:32:29Z] <sewn> thank
[2024-01-02T13:19:06Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2024-01-02T13:58:08Z] <op_4> hi
[2024-01-02T14:01:09Z] <sewn> hi sad_plan 
[2024-01-02T14:26:24Z] <sad_plan> hi op_4 and sewn 
[2024-01-02T15:47:25Z] <vova> hi
[2024-01-02T16:36:24Z] <op_4> so what else happens in this channel other than "hi"
[2024-01-02T16:48:49Z] <sewn> op_4: nothing
[2024-01-02T16:49:05Z] <sewn> just pacakge updates with 0 communication from one of them
[2024-01-02T17:19:40Z] <op_4> sewn: so you use kiss daily?
[2024-01-02T17:19:44Z] <sewn> sure
[2024-01-02T17:19:50Z] <sewn> moving to alpine sooner or later
[2024-01-02T17:23:21Z] <op_4> interesting, i used to do that but found the workload of keeping stuff up-to-date to be too great
[2024-01-02T17:23:26Z] <op_4> a common complaint i'm sure
[2024-01-02T17:23:29Z] <sewn> its not hard keeping things up to date
[2024-01-02T17:23:39Z] <sewn> kiss is designed to be able to be managed by one person
[2024-01-02T17:23:45Z] <sewn> since its so simple
[2024-01-02T17:24:02Z] <op_4> i mean, i was the one writing build scripts for stuff i needed
[2024-01-02T17:24:05Z] <op_4> that was too much work
[2024-01-02T17:24:13Z] <sewn> really? what were you implementing
[2024-01-02T17:24:47Z] <op_4> off the top of my head, emacs, vpn stuff for work, flatpak for work
[2024-01-02T17:25:28Z] <op_4> at some point vpn client of choice switched to having a qt frontend, i gave up
[2024-01-02T17:25:35Z] <sewn> ah ok use alpine lol aint for you
[2024-01-02T17:25:48Z] <sewn> flatpak is already here, but stuff like vpn or qt can be difficult
[2024-01-02T17:25:58Z] * op_4 nods
[2024-01-02T17:26:09Z] <op_4> it's cool that flatpak is around now
[2024-01-02T17:26:37Z] <sewn> when were you last using it
[2024-01-02T17:26:51Z] <op_4> it also wasn't obvious to me: how do i keep abreast of upstream changes (esp. security)?
[2024-01-02T17:27:00Z] <op_4> i could scrape some distros package versions i suppose
[2024-01-02T17:27:14Z] <op_4> but then... the logical next step is to just use them
[2024-01-02T17:28:03Z] <op_4> i probably used it around 3 years ago, fairly soon after dylan disappeared