2019-10-08T00:05:32 #kisslinux dylan, I think it is possible to build compiler-rt without "merging" clang to llvm main package, using the very same approach with clang to llvm, since compiler-rt doesn't work without clang, why not make a compiler-rt pkg and make it depend on clang? 2019-10-08T00:37:52 #kisslinux as for libcxx, libcxxabi, and libunwind, though, I'm not really sure whether these should be a part of llvm or not 2019-10-08T00:55:18 #kisslinux actually, disregard. I fear circular dependency might happen 2019-10-08T06:00:27 #kisslinux konimex: It has to all happen at once else clang will link to gcc. 2019-10-08T06:36:19 #kisslinux yes, that's why I said circular dependencies so clang would have to be rebuilt after compiler-rt is installed 2019-10-08T06:36:59 #kisslinux anyway, is "kiss u" always alphabetically sorted? 2019-10-08T06:37:06 #kisslinux I forgot 2019-10-08T06:45:01 #kisslinux No 2019-10-08T06:45:09 #kisslinux Sorted based on dependencies. 2019-10-08T09:38:52 #kisslinux konimex: http://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ 2019-10-08T09:39:22 #kisslinux GNU want Stallman gone too now. 2019-10-08T09:44:17 #kisslinux some prominent names there. I recognize two names but not the others, but I'm not really sure on glibc, gcc, gdb, and binutils since a lot of the maintainers of the four are Red Hat employees 2019-10-08T09:50:07 #kisslinux Yeah, I know. 2019-10-08T09:50:21 #kisslinux There's a Google employee. as well. 2019-10-08T09:54:11 #kisslinux https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/dekrn2/joint_statement_on_the_gnu_project/ 2019-10-08T09:54:16 #kisslinux > Removed | Not relevant to community 2019-10-08T09:54:23 #kisslinux 10/10 /r/linux 2019-10-08T09:57:05 #kisslinux I never thought a Google employee would contribute to gnu ecosystem 2019-10-08T09:57:35 #kisslinux I thought one would contribute to Linux kernel or filesystem but not full-on gnu 2019-10-08T09:58:53 #kisslinux This guy: https://github.com/ianlancetaylor 2019-10-08T09:59:00 #kisslinux (GCC, binutils) 2019-10-08T09:59:08 #kisslinux > Ian Lance Taylor has worked on GCC and other free software projects since 1990. He is the author of the Go frontend for GCC, the gold linker, and Taylor UUCP. He works at Google. 2019-10-08T09:59:39 #kisslinux Also someone from Mozilla. 2019-10-08T09:59:56 #kisslinux https://github.com/tromey 2019-10-08T10:00:04 #kisslinux (GCC, GDB) 2019-10-08T10:01:44 #kisslinux Also the creator of GnuPG. 2019-10-08T10:02:00 #kisslinux > since 1990 2019-10-08T10:02:05 #kisslinux that's an old timer 2019-10-08T10:02:14 #kisslinux Yup 2019-10-08T10:02:29 #kisslinux Comment from one of the GNU developers on lobsters: 2019-10-08T10:02:30 #kisslinux > 2019-10-08T10:02:32 #kisslinux No plan yet, just a plan to discuss. I am personally in favour of a steering committee. It seems to have mostly worked for gcc. I got to see some gcc people a couple of weeks ago for GNU cauldron, and that was fun. I would like something more like that. 2019-10-08T10:02:41 #kisslinux > 2019-10-08T10:02:44 #kisslinux If you ask me (which I think you did), this should have happened years ago, but yes, the recent incidents were the final push we all needed. 2019-10-08T10:03:05 #kisslinux iirc GCC already has a steering committee already, but don't know about gnu as a whole 2019-10-08T10:03:33 #kisslinux > GNU doesn't iirc. 2019-10-08T10:04:28 #kisslinux Which is why they want to move to one. 2019-10-08T10:04:28 #kisslinux > How was this coordinated? 2019-10-08T10:04:28 #kisslinux > Private emails. We all were kind of aware of each other and Ludovic started an email thread where we discussed this. 2019-10-08T10:04:28 #kisslinux There are 500 GNU projects (100 discontinued) so this makes up 5%~ of GNU developers. 2019-10-08T10:08:34 #kisslinux Lovely article.... 2019-10-08T10:08:39 #kisslinux https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/07/gnu_stallman_protest/ 2019-10-08T10:08:40 #kisslinux > GNU means GNU's Not U: Stallman insists he's still Chief GNUisance while 18 maintainers want him out as leader 2019-10-08T10:09:32 #kisslinux > "I don't intend to step down as head of the GNU Project," he said. "I could agree to incremental changes in how some decisions are made if I am confident that won't lead to unbounded radical changes." 2019-10-08T10:09:46 #kisslinux > "I am still the head of the GNU Project (the Chief GNUisance), and I intend to continue as such." 2019-10-08T10:10:50 #kisslinux From Lee (last name(?)): 2019-10-08T10:10:52 #kisslinux > "I am personally disappointed that Richard is choosing to continue as leader of GNU," said Lee. "I think the GNU Advisory Committee is better suited to lead things. I believe both the FSF board and the GAC need term limits and I hope they implement them." 2019-10-08T10:11:54 #kisslinux Looks like they want to leave GNU if nothing changes(?): https://freesw.org/ 2019-10-08T10:12:26 #kisslinux no details there, really 2019-10-08T10:12:56 #kisslinux Nope 2019-10-08T10:13:25 #kisslinux just a "general statement", don't know from where, but a namedrop of Debian DFSG 2019-10-08T10:13:28 #kisslinux It's hosted on Cloudflare though. 2019-10-08T10:13:48 #kisslinux That link was mentioned in the article I posted above. 2019-10-08T10:13:56 #kisslinux This Lee person again it looks like. 2019-10-08T10:14:26 #kisslinux Bingo. 2019-10-08T10:15:07 #kisslinux https://twitter.com/mattl/status/1177684012137144321 2019-10-08T10:15:13 #kisslinux Matt Lee 2019-10-08T10:15:16 #kisslinux > reesw.org is a thing I'm trying to get started as a response to the problems in free software. I want to unite the free and open source software communities and promote all related projects. 2019-10-08T10:15:20 #kisslinux freesw.org* 2019-10-08T10:16:18 #kisslinux so... the new freedesktop or the new GNU? 2019-10-08T10:16:52 #kisslinux > freesw.org is 3 weeks 2 days old. 2019-10-08T10:17:01 #kisslinux I forsee GNOME joining it. 2019-10-08T10:17:23 #kisslinux https://twitter.com/mattl/status/1177355118829854720 2019-10-08T10:17:28 #kisslinux I'm really surprised Stallman doesn't have any contigency plans though since this means FSF-GNU has a bus factor of 1. Even Torvalds has Greg KH and/or Andrew Morton for his backups 2019-10-08T10:19:18 #kisslinux Well, we don't know what happened behind the scenes. 2019-10-08T10:19:29 #kisslinux https://twitter.com/mattl/status/1174021619502735362 2019-10-08T10:20:03 #kisslinux https://twitter.com/mattl/status/1174380382977953794 2019-10-08T10:20:20 #kisslinux https://twitter.com/mattl/status/1174335059027013633 2019-10-08T10:21:36 #kisslinux well, I mean, Stallman has a doctorate title (honoris causa, maybe?) 2019-10-08T10:23:44 #kisslinux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Honors_and_awards 2019-10-08T10:24:01 #kisslinux Yup 2019-10-08T10:28:12 #kisslinux They're too hostile towards RMS. 2019-10-08T10:28:27 #kisslinux It's saddening. 2019-10-08T10:29:24 #kisslinux I don't know about others but Matt in particular seem to have a personal beef with Stallman 2019-10-08T10:30:12 #kisslinux https://gitlab.com/freesw/freesw.org 2019-10-08T10:30:22 #kisslinux https://gitlab.com/freesw 2019-10-08T10:30:27 #kisslinux Blank right now. 2019-10-08T10:33:22 #kisslinux you know, I have a feeling the GIMP fork would join them one day 2019-10-08T10:38:35 #kisslinux Glimpse will be nothing more than a rename. 2019-10-08T10:38:39 #kisslinux https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse/commits/dev-g210 2019-10-08T10:44:00 #kisslinux See: https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse/issues/70 2019-10-08T10:44:10 #kisslinux Just big ideas and talk. 2019-10-08T10:50:19 #kisslinux https://github.com/glimpse-editor/Glimpse/issues/38 2019-10-08T11:01:46 #kisslinux Seriously, read the progress posts. It's all Social Media and rebranding. https://glimpse-editor.org/posts/ 2019-10-08T11:02:16 #kisslinux No _real_ changes have been made. 2019-10-08T11:02:33 #kisslinux What's wrong with a simple patch which is rebased on each update of gimp (updates are few and spread)? 2019-10-08T11:11:26 #kisslinux it wouldn't be an egregious power grab? 2019-10-08T11:14:08 #kisslinux heh 2019-10-08T11:15:21 #kisslinux oi 2019-10-08T11:27:59 #kisslinux What's up? 2019-10-08T11:32:47 #kisslinux No such thing as too hostile towards RMS 2019-10-08T11:33:17 #kisslinux not much, was checking some stuff about aerc 2019-10-08T11:33:38 #kisslinux > No such thing as too hostile towards RMS 2019-10-08T11:34:18 #kisslinux IMO he's a scourge on the open source world and his brand of "freedom" of software has been a terrible thing 2019-10-08T11:34:19 #kisslinux I mean, he's a person too and this must be tough for him. 2019-10-08T11:34:20 #kisslinux The abuse I've read towards him this past month has been terrible. 2019-10-08T11:34:40 #kisslinux Why? If you don't mind me asking. 2019-10-08T11:36:59 #kisslinux Because GPL doesn't lead to more freedom, it leads to companies deciding to make shittier in house proprietary solutions because they have no reason to deal with projects using such openly hostile licenses, permissive licensing on the other hand has shown over and over that if you aren't hostile towards companies they're much more likely to actually be useful contributors 2019-10-08T11:37:25 #kisslinux Imagine if all along gcc had been seeing the kind of support and development from big companies that LLVM gets 2019-10-08T11:38:46 #kisslinux LLVM only gets support from companies because it was started by Apple (the only reason it exists too). 2019-10-08T11:39:11 #kisslinux LLVM gets support from google because it's not GPL 2019-10-08T11:39:39 #kisslinux honestly, I'm on the fence on the copyleft vs non-copyleft issue 2019-10-08T11:40:16 #kisslinux Copyleft is at best ineffective (when companies work with permissively licensed alternatives instead) and at best harmful (when they develop shitty closed source in house alternatives instead) 2019-10-08T11:40:26 #kisslinux yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man 2019-10-08T11:40:47 #kisslinux copyleft, as FSF said, protects "end-user" 2019-10-08T11:41:02 #kisslinux permissive, on the other hand, protects the developers 2019-10-08T11:41:29 #kisslinux The reason companies have adopted LLVM is because it is _not_ GCC (GPL licensed). 2019-10-08T11:41:29 #kisslinux Sure, had GCC been in an OSS and non-copyleft license it would've seen support from these same companies sooner. 2019-10-08T11:41:29 #kisslinux It's thanks to the GPL that we now have two open source compiler suites. ;) 2019-10-08T11:41:29 #kisslinux There's a distinction to be made between Open Source and Free Software too. They aren't the same thing. 2019-10-08T11:41:36 #kisslinux Exactly 2019-10-08T11:41:52 #kisslinux I disagree, Free Software and Open Source are practically the same thing 2019-10-08T11:41:58 #kisslinux _practically_ 2019-10-08T11:42:20 #kisslinux Free software is taking open source and ruining it with pure ideology and 0 regard for practicality 2019-10-08T11:42:23 #kisslinux I'd say OSD is even clearer than the 4 freedoms 2019-10-08T11:42:40 #kisslinux I don't understand the need to insult the man publicly. 2019-10-08T11:42:44 #kisslinux It's petty. 2019-10-08T11:43:07 #kisslinux Well that's unrelated, that's because he said some awful shit and there are consequences for saying awful shit 2019-10-08T11:43:15 #kisslinux Well, Linux is _the_ direct product of the GPL. 2019-10-08T11:43:25 #kisslinux maybe arguments happen because people have different perspectives and areas of focus 2019-10-08T11:43:26 #kisslinux Yeah there's freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean people have to like what you say or not call you out for it 2019-10-08T11:43:35 #kisslinux what was the awful shit stallman said 2019-10-08T11:43:39 #kisslinux I don't like this self policing. 2019-10-08T11:44:07 #kisslinux honestly, if GPL is ineffective you'd think the BSDs would explode right now and proprietary programs (steam, etc.) would be on BSDs instead of Linux 2019-10-08T11:44:34 #kisslinux Exactly. 2019-10-08T11:44:35 #kisslinux The GPL is ineffective at its purpose, it doesn't mean that no GPL software will ever succeed 2019-10-08T11:44:47 #kisslinux GPL has its place. 2019-10-08T11:44:52 #kisslinux depends, which GPL? 2019-10-08T11:44:54 #kisslinux 2 or 3? 2019-10-08T11:45:18 #kisslinux It works depending on the type of software (look at the Linux kernel). 2019-10-08T11:45:19 #kisslinux Succeeding as in seeing use is not the success that I'm saying GPL doesn't have 2019-10-08T11:45:22 #kisslinux if we're talking about 3, I'd agree, but should RMS stop at 2, it'd be better in the long run imo 2019-10-08T11:46:02 #kisslinux You can't discredit the work Stallman has done or how we are where we are today. 2019-10-08T11:46:07 #kisslinux > It works depending on the type of software (look at the Linux kernel). 2019-10-08T11:46:14 #kisslinux and honestly, the gnu toolchain too 2019-10-08T11:46:33 #kisslinux the only reason Apple switched to LLVM is GPL *version 3* 2019-10-08T11:46:38 #kisslinux I prefer 2 to 3. 2019-10-08T11:46:55 #kisslinux I'm not talking about use. 2019-10-08T11:47:01 #kisslinux Compare the BSDs to Linux. 2019-10-08T11:47:12 #kisslinux It's the terms of the license itself. 2019-10-08T11:47:46 #kisslinux well of course, the terms of the license caused the LLVM/Clang project 2019-10-08T11:47:54 #kisslinux This effort to remove Stallman is too coordinated in my eyes. 2019-10-08T11:48:05 #kisslinux Something fishy about it to me. 2019-10-08T11:48:38 #kisslinux I don't see it that way, it's shit PR for them for him to stick around 2019-10-08T11:49:02 #kisslinux Why now though? 2019-10-08T11:49:15 #kisslinux Why not decades ago if this is as I've read a long time coming. 2019-10-08T11:49:34 #kisslinux I don't want to hear "Straw that broke the camel's back either". 2019-10-08T11:49:39 #kisslinux "In September 2019, it was reported that Stallman had made statements on an internal CSAIL listserv in defense of deceased MIT professor Marvin Minsky, in relation to Virginia Giuffre's deposition that she was directed to have sex with Minsky by Jeffrey Epstein.[118][119] As a response, Stallman resigned from both MIT and the Free Software Foundation.[21][120][121]" 2019-10-08T11:50:09 #kisslinux This incident is way more public and known about than any other bad shit he's said 2019-10-08T11:50:10 #kisslinux And? 2019-10-08T11:50:13 #kisslinux sure, Stallman has a shitty opinion, but attacking the person (i.e. Matt Lee) makes you look like he personally called your family unpleasant things 2019-10-08T11:50:31 #kisslinux He has never been a bigger PR risk for them than now 2019-10-08T11:50:40 #kisslinux It therefore makes perfect sense that they'd want him out now and not earlier 2019-10-08T11:50:52 #kisslinux What risk though? 2019-10-08T11:52:15 #kisslinux you see, some network code was liberaly licensed and MS take it and make it theirs own private... I would do not like if someone make that to my code -> I like virality in GPL 2019-10-08T11:52:38 #kisslinux the "bad shit" is that he feels like you shouldn't besmirch a deceased mans name over having been offered and refused sex with an underage girl 2019-10-08T11:52:41 #kisslinux gotcha 2019-10-08T11:52:45 #kisslinux what a villain! 2019-10-08T11:52:46 #kisslinux Generally you don't want people hating your organization, and if people hate your organization's leader that is not helpful towards people not hating your organization 2019-10-08T11:53:02 #kisslinux It's his organiation though. 2019-10-08T11:53:17 #kisslinux Let's throw the man who built it to the curb and personally attack him publicly. 2019-10-08T11:53:27 #kisslinux Really nice. 2019-10-08T11:53:27 #kisslinux organization* 2019-10-08T11:54:08 #kisslinux but it really shows that the free software movement has no one to represent other than Stallman himself 2019-10-08T11:54:27 #kisslinux It doesn't matter whether you think the "shit" was "bad" though, *the public does and that's all that matters* 2019-10-08T11:54:29 #kisslinux Stallman's out and rest assured both GNU and FSF die 2019-10-08T11:54:38 #kisslinux Our personal opinions are irrelevant 2019-10-08T11:54:59 #kisslinux E5ten: by public you meant Coraline Ada Ehmke and co. 2019-10-08T11:55:01 #kisslinux ? 2019-10-08T11:55:04 #kisslinux I really despise this self policing that is going on. 2019-10-08T11:55:48 #kisslinux How long before your opinions aren't "acceptable" and they come for your job? 2019-10-08T11:56:45 #kisslinux I'm a first year uni student so I'm not too worried 😏 2019-10-08T11:56:51 #kisslinux Seperate the art from the artist. It's not hard. 2019-10-08T11:57:13 #kisslinux You should be. 2019-10-08T11:57:37 #kisslinux so "they came for the X, and I didn't speak out because..." 2019-10-08T11:57:49 #kisslinux Exactly. 2019-10-08T11:58:01 #kisslinux why don't you want people hating your organization? 2019-10-08T11:58:08 #kisslinux that's free publicity 2019-10-08T11:58:16 #kisslinux All publicity is good publicity. 2019-10-08T11:58:32 #kisslinux See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... 2019-10-08T11:58:57 #kisslinux When the art is entirely about ideology (I don't think it's exactly contentious to say that the FSF is about ideology) then the "artist's" ideology in other areas is pretty hard to separate 2019-10-08T11:59:48 #kisslinux Stallman's personal opinions != The FSF's opinions. 2019-10-08T11:59:48 #kisslinux Yeah, I'm well aware of first they came, I was making a joking response to you saying they might come for my job, I don't actually think about it like "oh I'm not threatened so I won't speak out for stallman" 2019-10-08T12:00:46 #kisslinux What happened to having thick skin? 2019-10-08T12:01:02 #kisslinux Seems gone today. 2019-10-08T12:01:20 #kisslinux developers have forgotten the robustness principle 2019-10-08T12:01:49 #kisslinux "Most of the FSF funding comes from patrons and members.[55] Revenue streams also come from free-software-related compliance labs, job postings, published works, and a web store. FSF offers speakers and seminars for pay, and all FSF projects accept donations." 2019-10-08T12:02:01 #kisslinux Do you know what happens when people hate your organization's leader? 2019-10-08T12:02:05 #kisslinux Less of all of that 2019-10-08T12:02:47 #kisslinux People will say things you either don't like or don't agree with. It's OK. 2019-10-08T12:03:06 #kisslinux It's not something someone should lose their decades of work over. 2019-10-08T12:03:32 #kisslinux That doesn't really address what I said 2019-10-08T12:04:17 #kisslinux people have always hated stallman 2019-10-08T12:04:33 #kisslinux polarization doesn't prohibit or prevent success 2019-10-08T12:04:58 #kisslinux to be fair, a lot of GNU projects are developed by paid devs (i.e. Red Hat payroll) so donations are a tad bit irrelevant 2019-10-08T12:05:03 #kisslinux Hell, I myself don't speak openly about what I believe in for the same reasons. 2019-10-08T12:05:13 #kisslinux just look at Mozilla 2019-10-08T12:07:13 #kisslinux do you believe in life after love? 2019-10-08T12:10:05 #kisslinux Open Source has a funding problem overall. 2019-10-08T12:10:38 #kisslinux No way would the FSF have gone bust or lost a substantial amount of funding over this. 2019-10-08T12:11:07 #kisslinux If anything they've lost more funding due to what happened to Stallman rather than what he said. 2019-10-08T12:12:42 #kisslinux It's also beneficial to have the public not hate your leader when your purpose is the furthering of an ideology (freedom of software) 2019-10-08T12:13:02 #kisslinux Meh 2019-10-08T12:13:17 #kisslinux Vocal minority or vocal majority? 2019-10-08T12:13:18 #kisslinux If you want people to listen to what you are trying to say not being hated is pretty crucial 2019-10-08T12:13:42 #kisslinux Was the truth presented to people through the media? I don't think so. 2019-10-08T12:13:53 #kisslinux I'd say people mad at RMS over this and more importantly just people who know about this in general is larger in reach than the past 2019-10-08T12:14:49 #kisslinux Again, is it a vocal minority or is it the majority? 2019-10-08T12:14:50 #kisslinux I don't know, man, a certain country hates the president yet they love the ideology 2019-10-08T12:14:53 #kisslinux And with more awareness of the FSF and stallman stemming from what he said, and that awareness in regards to stallman at least being overall negative, I'd say the FSF wanting to keep that from extending to them makes sense 2019-10-08T12:14:58 #kisslinux I don't think it's a minority 2019-10-08T12:15:20 #kisslinux They could've very easily stood their ground. 2019-10-08T12:15:35 #kisslinux And if they did the public would have a lower opinion of them 2019-10-08T12:15:41 #kisslinux Fact of the matter is that no one really cares. 2019-10-08T12:15:59 #kisslinux Hi, I tried to install kiss but when i restart it's only show "GRUB loading" and enter in a boot loop. What I need to do? 2019-10-08T12:16:42 #kisslinux Or what I forget to do? 2019-10-08T12:17:29 #kisslinux konimex: more than half that country doesn't like that ideology 2019-10-08T12:17:54 #kisslinux More than half of the country voted him in remember? 2019-10-08T12:18:12 #kisslinux axpira: Virtual machine? 2019-10-08T12:18:21 #kisslinux They did not 2019-10-08T12:18:38 #kisslinux Isn't that how voting works? 2019-10-08T12:18:46 #kisslinux No, It's my laptop 2019-10-08T12:18:53 #kisslinux Ah. 2019-10-08T12:18:56 #kisslinux 3 million more people voted against him than did for him 2019-10-08T12:19:11 #kisslinux How did he win then? 2019-10-08T12:19:12 #kisslinux But the US election system is so fucked that he won anyway 2019-10-08T12:19:16 #kisslinux Electoral college 2019-10-08T12:19:50 #kisslinux axpira: that's it? just GRUB Loading? 2019-10-08T12:19:54 #kisslinux UEFI or BIOS? 2019-10-08T12:19:56 #kisslinux The US is "democratic" but also "if you live in a big state your vote objectively counts for less, sucks to be you" 2019-10-08T12:20:35 #kisslinux Yes, It's only "GRUB loading" then the screen goes black and my machine reboot 2019-10-08T12:20:36 #kisslinux BIOS 2019-10-08T12:21:34 #kisslinux maybe it doesn't detect grub config? 2019-10-08T12:21:43 #kisslinux True democracy doesn't exist and besides, the US is a Federal Republic. 2019-10-08T12:21:50 #kisslinux konimex: I think that's it. 2019-10-08T12:21:58 #kisslinux How can I check this? 2019-10-08T12:22:19 #kisslinux you can check in /boot/grub/grub.cfg 2019-10-08T12:22:31 #kisslinux Boot a live-cd, mount your disks, chroot in and check '/boot/grub/grub.cfg'. 2019-10-08T12:22:44 #kisslinux Then you can repair it with the 'grub-' commands. 2019-10-08T12:23:00 #kisslinux Whether or not you think it's a good system is irrelevant to if he's more popular, the fact of the matter is that his opponent got 3 million more votes, so he isn't 2019-10-08T12:24:12 #kisslinux Source? First I'm hearing about this. 2019-10-08T12:24:57 #kisslinux Please just google the last presidential election's popular vote because there are so many sources that I couldn't possible choose the best one 2019-10-08T12:24:59 #kisslinux even if the US is a federal republic, they still should've used one man one vote instead of EC, let the Representatives and the Senate do the work of making sure the sitting President "is in shape" 2019-10-08T12:25:02 #kisslinux But like fine I'll go get one 2019-10-08T12:26:06 #kisslinux I agree, and the US is a "Constitutional Democratic Federal Republic" with the word democratic right there, just because true democracy doesn't exist and it isn't one doesn't mean you can handwave all undemocratic elements of it as non-issues because it's not a democracy 2019-10-08T12:26:16 #kisslinux I check the file /boot/grub/grub.cfg and has many options one is menuentry 'KISS GNU/Linux .......' 2019-10-08T12:26:45 #kisslinux Like "it's not technically a true democracy" is not a valid excuse for "an Alaskan has 4 times the vote of a californian" 2019-10-08T12:26:57 #kisslinux What is your partition layout like? 2019-10-08T12:27:17 #kisslinux Only /boot ext2 and / ext4 2019-10-08T12:27:32 #kisslinux Does the grub entry correctly point to the / partition? 2019-10-08T12:28:25 #kisslinux It's not "technically" _not_ a democracy, it outright isn't one. Real democracy exists nowhere. 2019-10-08T12:28:41 #kisslinux It's not an excuse, it's a fact. 2019-10-08T12:28:56 #kisslinux Has one line with linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/nvme0n1p2 2019-10-08T12:28:59 #kisslinux One man = one vote, sure. That would be better. 2019-10-08T12:29:16 #kisslinux also in a lot of countries voting day is not a holiday 2019-10-08T12:29:26 #kisslinux really? 2019-10-08T12:29:30 #kisslinux It's not a real democracy, but it's supposed to be pretty democratic, hence it not being a democracy not being an excuse for clearly and egregiously undemocratic elements 2019-10-08T12:29:40 #kisslinux root= looks wrong for some reason. 2019-10-08T12:29:45 #kisslinux Like Alaskans having votes that are worth 4 times as much as Californians 2019-10-08T12:30:04 #kisslinux https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2016/federalelections2016.pdf page 10 has the popular vote results 2019-10-08T12:30:05 #kisslinux It not being a democracy is why there are undemocratic elements. 2019-10-08T12:30:17 #kisslinux root= is normal in SSD systems 2019-10-08T12:30:25 #kisslinux No It's OK, because I have nvme ssd disk 2019-10-08T12:30:30 #kisslinux Yes, but the leaders are supposed to be democratically elected 2019-10-08T12:30:31 #kisslinux Mine is /dev/sda1 and I have an SSD. 2019-10-08T12:30:59 #kisslinux So if the elections are undemocratic that is an undemocratic element not excused by it not being a democracy 2019-10-08T12:31:12 #kisslinux But it's not a democracy. 2019-10-08T12:32:01 #kisslinux "A republic (Latin: res publica, meaning “public affair”) is a form of government in which the country is considered a "public matter", not the private concern or property of the rulers. The primary positions of power within a republic are not inherited, but are attained through democracy, oligarchy, or autocracy. It is the opposing form of government to a monarchy and as such has no monarch as head of state.[1][2][3]" 2019-10-08T12:32:44 #kisslinux depends, iirc your SSD is SATA, newer devices use NVME, I have that one too 2019-10-08T12:32:49 #kisslinux Is power in the United States supposed to be attained through oligarchy or autocracy? 2019-10-08T12:32:53 #kisslinux (no) 2019-10-08T12:33:25 #kisslinux axpira: are you sure there's no more after GRUB Loading? usually there's some Error codes after that 2019-10-08T12:34:22 #kisslinux So then power in the United States is supposed to be attained through democracy, by process of elimination of the 3 methods of attaining power within a republic, and so if the elections, which are the way of determining who gets power, aren't democratic, that is a problem unexcused by the US not being a "true democracy" 2019-10-08T12:36:29 #kisslinux I'll check again 2019-10-08T12:36:53 #kisslinux I need to goes out, but i'll try later 2019-10-08T12:36:55 #kisslinux Thanks 2019-10-08T12:37:03 #kisslinux Anytime :) 2019-10-08T12:38:09 #kisslinux Westminster systems are usually better than any others anyway 2019-10-08T12:41:11 #kisslinux It's all pointless when most of the developed world runs under Corporatocracy anyway. 2019-10-08T12:47:18 #kisslinux paretocracy 2019-10-08T13:37:15 #kisslinux > The Firefox build process is already Python 3.5. 2019-10-08T13:37:18 #kisslinux https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AzM3EOThG7GeMSCS5CcaTkojQEneaNj3N07igLBkyvc/edit# 2019-10-08T13:37:44 #kisslinux > The mozbuild module may disappear in 2019H2/2020H1 if we switch to a third-party build system such as Starlark. 2019-10-08T13:37:46 #kisslinux Interesting. 2019-10-08T13:59:55 #kisslinux Forced nodejs to build with Python 3 and I'm 30 minutes into a build. 2019-10-08T14:31:21 #kisslinux Nodejs built with Python 3. O.o 2019-10-08T14:33:10 #kisslinux It's not meant to work yet. 2019-10-08T14:39:32 #kisslinux https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/84efd40d3c7a62cd4a01a6bf6c14f291d620b05f 2019-10-08T14:39:35 #kisslinux HEH 2019-10-08T14:39:42 #kisslinux Just Firefox to go and Python 2 can die. 2019-10-08T14:40:00 #kisslinux So now we have Python 2 and GTK2 needed solely at make time for Firefox. 2019-10-08T14:48:08 #kisslinux which is ... more and more often https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/09/moving-firefox-to-a-faster-4-week-release-cycle/ ... 2019-10-08T14:51:35 #kisslinux Yup 2019-10-08T14:51:45 #kisslinux My plan is to have the beta packaged once it's available. 2019-10-08T14:52:02 #kisslinux I'm using 70 beta already and fixed 2-3 issues with the build. ;) 2019-10-08T14:52:31 #kisslinux See this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1377445 2019-10-08T14:52:50 #kisslinux GTK+2 is still needed in Firefox for NPAPI which is only kept around for Flash. 2019-10-08T14:53:09 #kisslinux > Firefox's Flash support (and thus NPAPI support) will be removed sometime in 2020. 2019-10-08T14:53:50 #kisslinux about fucking time 2019-10-08T14:54:06 #kisslinux What's funny is that GTK+2 isn't even used at runtime by Firefox. 2019-10-08T14:54:20 #kisslinux In KISS I just rm the gtk2 file after build. 2019-10-08T14:55:23 #kisslinux Firefox uses dlopen() anyway so it's "optional"... 2019-10-08T16:07:07 #kisslinux I'm attempting to rip out GTK2 from Firefox. 2019-10-08T16:07:11 #kisslinux Lets see how this goes. 2019-10-08T19:02:08 #kisslinux CC and friends now work in all packages. :) 2019-10-08T21:10:18 #kisslinux KISS' xorg-server is now always rootless: https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/0deee6aa92ecbf0219913ee9c9337cdaa5cd3ff3 2019-10-08T22:50:14 #kisslinux Hi, How can I auto load module on start?