2020-06-08T04:59:23 #kisslinux <dylan02> claudia02: Have you tried with the latest kiss release?
2020-06-08T04:59:31 #kisslinux <dylan02> illiliti: Will fix the dark mode issue.
2020-06-08T04:59:38 #kisslinux <dylan02> Also, this was surprising: https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20200608#kiss
2020-06-08T04:59:43 #kisslinux <dylan02> Distrowatch wrote about KISS.
2020-06-08T05:01:37 #kisslinux <flippy>  has anyone ported KISS to ARM yet
2020-06-08T05:01:38 #kisslinux <flippy> ?
2020-06-08T05:04:30 #kisslinux <dylan02> All known ports appear here: https://k1ss.org/wiki/community/ports
2020-06-08T05:04:36 #kisslinux <dylan02> In other words.... No.
2020-06-08T05:06:25 #kisslinux <dylan02> himmalerin: Nothing provides intltool in KISS.
2020-06-08T05:06:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> ggg: Send a log from firefox and also the data from about:support.
2020-06-08T05:09:26 #kisslinux <dylan02> illiliti: Fixed the website.
2020-06-08T05:09:35 #kisslinux <dylan02> claudia02: Fixed the git issue. (Update the package manager).
2020-06-08T06:29:09 #kisslinux <ggg> firefox log upon trying to run a video: http://ix.io/2oAB
2020-06-08T06:32:20 #kisslinux <ggg> about:support http://ix.io/2oAE
2020-06-08T06:32:42 #kisslinux <ggg> I'm digging deeper to find out whether it is a problem with my alsa config, but so far no luck
2020-06-08T06:48:17 #kisslinux <ggg> problem fixed: firefox did not like my .asounrc
2020-06-08T06:49:07 #kisslinux <ggg> previous .asoundrc: http://ix.io/2oAG
2020-06-08T06:49:46 #kisslinux <ggg> new working .asoundrc: http://ix.io/2oAH
2020-06-08T06:50:04 #kisslinux <ggg> I am just too dumb to get the alsa config right ahahah
2020-06-08T06:50:10 #kisslinux <ggg> thank you for the help
2020-06-08T07:33:51 #kisslinux <icyphox> http://distrowatch.org/weekly.php?issue=20200608#kiss
2020-06-08T07:33:54 #kisslinux <icyphox> Did you guys see this?
2020-06-08T07:36:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-06-08T07:36:41 #kisslinux <dylan02> Woke up to it this morning.
2020-06-08T07:36:45 #kisslinux <dylan02> Nice surprise.
2020-06-08T07:36:59 #kisslinux <dylan02> Though I don't entirely agree with it.
2020-06-08T07:37:35 #kisslinux <dylan02> ggg: Glad it now works for you.
2020-06-08T07:38:25 #kisslinux <icyphox> Yeah, it's alright I guess. Something something no bad publicity.
2020-06-08T07:38:36 #kisslinux <dylan02> Exactly
2020-06-08T07:41:25 #kisslinux <dylan02> I find it odd that those writing articles don't reach out to the authors of whatever they're writing about. This is the first thing I'd do were I in their shoes. (Speaking in general here)
2020-06-08T09:00:16 #kisslinux <dylan02> o/
2020-06-08T09:04:33 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> o/
2020-06-08T09:05:09 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I've been lurking in the channel list, and found this channel, and discovered Kiss Linux.
2020-06-08T09:06:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> Awesome. I'm the creator. Happy to answer any questions you may have. :)
2020-06-08T09:07:38 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> So far I'm just reading ^_^'
2020-06-08T09:07:45 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> But thank you and nice to meet you
2020-06-08T09:08:19 #kisslinux <dylan02> Alrighty. Nice meeting you too. :)
2020-06-08T09:09:01 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Wow
2020-06-08T09:09:07 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> You made neofetch?
2020-06-08T09:09:17 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah. I've made a lot of things. :P
2020-06-08T09:09:23 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Best thing ever man!
2020-06-08T09:09:40 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I was surprised that it's just a .sh file when I downloaded it from git
2020-06-08T09:11:02 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I was trying to bring Hannah Montana Linux back to life haha and I wanted to "show off" it. I downloaded neofetch and boooom. A .sh file :O
2020-06-08T09:11:05 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> great.
2020-06-08T09:12:13 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Great ASCII art
2020-06-08T11:26:20 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Any big projects incomming?
2020-06-08T12:09:35 #kisslinux <dilynm> Neovim also doesn't like to build with llvm ix.io/2oBK
2020-06-08T12:11:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> building community/luajit gives the same error as the bundled luajit with neovim
2020-06-08T12:44:56 #kisslinux <claudia02> For the qtwebengine fans: a small browser with a minimal clickable ui.
2020-06-08T12:44:59 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://github.com/troysung/jsml
2020-06-08T12:45:33 #kisslinux <claudia02> and tabs
2020-06-08T13:05:39 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Minecraft runs in a flatpak! No sound but honestly I expected it to crash bc of my lack of pulseaudio
2020-06-08T13:35:29 #kisslinux <claudia02> mcpcpc[m]: What do you think about extending your git article with searching "git history" for package changes / obsolete packages?
2020-06-08T13:48:06 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> claudia02: sure!  i will circle back and add it once i finish one other article (on dhcpcd).  along with some other article “clean up”
2020-06-08T13:54:53 #kisslinux <claudia02> Nice! I really would love to see whats a good practice to get good information.
2020-06-08T14:24:39 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> claudia02: was actually thinking of putting together a “best practices” document.  would include reputable sources to check and vim/editor configuration tips.
2020-06-08T15:04:05 #kisslinux <periish> hola
2020-06-08T15:11:21 #kisslinux <periish> welcome back
2020-06-08T15:12:43 #kisslinux <kisslinuxuser> periish: is xfce useable yet?
2020-06-08T15:13:42 #kisslinux <periish> It should be
2020-06-08T15:14:05 #kisslinux <periish> I'm not sure how XFCE starts up, so you'd likely have to make it start via the xinitrc
2020-06-08T15:14:22 #kisslinux <kisslinuxuser> maybe you can edit the readme so other people know :p
2020-06-08T15:14:31 #kisslinux <periish> I may be packaging lightdm later
2020-06-08T15:20:16 #kisslinux <illiliti> periish: thank you
2020-06-08T15:20:43 #kisslinux <illiliti> dylan: https://k1ss.org/install#6.6 << `make INSTALL_MOD_STRIP=1 modules_install` will reduce modules size
2020-06-08T15:23:41 #kisslinux <illiliti> dylan: https://k1ss.org/install#1.0 << 'Install kernel' points to `Build the kernel`
2020-06-08T15:25:45 #kisslinux <illiliti> same thing for 'Setup grub'
2020-06-08T15:27:58 #kisslinux <himmalerin> `:> nostrip` at the top of the build file is what's used to prevent debug symbol stripping, right?
2020-06-08T15:30:56 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I added it to a build file using meson but GDB is still complaining about no debug symbols
2020-06-08T16:14:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> It might strip as part of the actual building
2020-06-08T16:14:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> They're might be a configure flag to stop it
2020-06-08T16:30:03 #kisslinux <himmalerin> If they are there's no entry in the meson_options file that lets you turn it off. Project in question is https://github.com/swaywm/sway
2020-06-08T16:40:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> Apparently they're included by default https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/5312#issuecomment-625593757
2020-06-08T16:41:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> So :> nostrip should work
2020-06-08T16:42:06 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Huh, I've got nostrip on the top of the file (but below the shebang). Going to try building it outside of kiss
2020-06-08T16:48:42 #kisslinux <dylan02> KuchiKuu: Apologies for not responding to your question. I've had quite the busy day and am only now back online.
2020-06-08T16:50:22 #kisslinux <dylan02> illiliti: Fixed both website issues, thanks.
2020-06-08T16:54:44 #kisslinux <konimex1> dilynm: that ld binutils or lld?
2020-06-08T16:54:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> lld
2020-06-08T16:55:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> ld is a symlink to ld.lld
2020-06-08T16:55:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> It also explicitly calls gcc, which is cute
2020-06-08T16:56:03 #kisslinux <dilynm> Or that might be something else. I've been distracted today
2020-06-08T16:59:07 #kisslinux <periish> dylan02, where is firefox's license stored?
2020-06-08T16:59:40 #kisslinux <periish> firefox-bin's, that is
2020-06-08T17:02:40 #kisslinux <konimex1> it's odd that cmak
2020-06-08T17:03:07 #kisslinux <konimex1> it's odd that neovim's build file requires cmake *and* automake
2020-06-08T17:03:16 #kisslinux <periish> Wtf
2020-06-08T17:03:32 #kisslinux <periish> That's like firefox's need for both pythons
2020-06-08T17:04:05 #kisslinux <dylan02> konimex1: It's for the vendored dependencies.
2020-06-08T17:04:23 #kisslinux <dylan02> You can't disable any of the dependencies either.
2020-06-08T17:04:29 #kisslinux <dylan02> This is why I much prefer vim...
2020-06-08T17:04:36 #kisslinux <konimex1> I see
2020-06-08T17:04:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> Can have a build which depends only on ncurses.
2020-06-08T17:05:23 #kisslinux <periish> Have heard good things about `vis`
2020-06-08T17:06:40 #kisslinux <konimex1> oh well looks like I'll build autoconf then, I want to see if building neovim works with my instance
2020-06-08T17:10:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> Also, strangely, cannot build mesa. Missing CallSite.h. ix.io/2oDS
2020-06-08T17:11:26 #kisslinux <konimex1> yep, that failed, same error
2020-06-08T17:12:36 #kisslinux <konimex1> let's see mesa
2020-06-08T17:14:01 #kisslinux <konimex1> can't seem to reproduce it, does /usr/include/llvm/IR/CallSite.h exist in your llvm?
2020-06-08T17:23:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> Nope!
2020-06-08T17:23:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> I have AbstractCallSite.h
2020-06-08T17:25:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> https://github.com/konimex/kiss-llvm/blob/master/llvm/build#L30
2020-06-08T17:25:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> Is this a typo
2020-06-08T17:27:21 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-06-08T17:27:25 #kisslinux <dylan02> It is
2020-06-08T17:46:23 #kisslinux <konimex1> yep
2020-06-08T17:46:25 #kisslinux <konimex1> my bad
2020-06-08T17:46:35 #kisslinux <konimex1> anyway, what are your llvm version?
2020-06-08T17:49:19 #kisslinux <konimex1> mesa might not support llvm 11 (yet)
2020-06-08T17:53:07 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hmm
2020-06-08T17:53:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> Ill try with 10
2020-06-08T17:55:19 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Installing Kiss...
2020-06-08T17:55:32 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> or better... "compiling"
2020-06-08T17:56:38 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I think I messed up
2020-06-08T17:57:48 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I have Arch installed on sda with sba1 /boot/efi and sda2 as /.  Now, I'm installing kiss on sdb1 which is an entire additional disk. Can I add kiss from sdb1 to grub on sda1 ?
2020-06-08T17:57:58 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Does my question even make sense?
2020-06-08T17:58:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-06-08T17:58:47 #kisslinux <dylan02> You want to use the existing bootloader from Arch right?
2020-06-08T17:59:21 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Yes, that would be nice.
2020-06-08T17:59:27 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> (It's a VirtualBox anyway)
2020-06-08T17:59:40 #kisslinux <dylan02> Should be as simple as skipping the bootloader portion of the install guide and then telling Arch's bootloader how to boot KISS.
2020-06-08T18:01:06 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Ok.
2020-06-08T18:02:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> Although CallSite.h IS mentioned in llvm 11 docs... Either way. Will test! Probably be done in four hours...
2020-06-08T18:02:31 #kisslinux <dilynm> Never delete your .cache/bin fam
2020-06-08T18:03:03 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Never have 0 bytes left on your disk, also.
2020-06-08T18:03:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> Fill that bad boy up up UP
2020-06-08T18:04:07 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> And watch your system die die DIE
2020-06-08T18:04:08 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> :P
2020-06-08T18:04:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> KuchiKuu: grub-mkconfig might "just work" and detect the KISS installation on the other drive.
2020-06-08T18:04:44 #kisslinux <dylan02> If you're using Grub that is...
2020-06-08T18:04:52 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> grub-mkconfig on arch?
2020-06-08T18:04:55 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-06-08T18:05:16 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Yeah, I'll try that. That's what I thought as well. Thanks for confirmation
2020-06-08T18:05:39 #kisslinux <dylan02> Actually.
2020-06-08T18:05:53 #kisslinux <dylan02> You may need to make /boot "shared" (used by both distributions).
2020-06-08T18:06:17 #kisslinux <dylan02> You'd then put the KISS kernel alongside the Arch stuff (and configure grub to set root=/dev/sdb1)
2020-06-08T18:06:21 #kisslinux <dilynm> Also would need os-probe
2020-06-08T18:06:30 #kisslinux <dylan02> Try the first method first.
2020-06-08T18:06:40 #kisslinux <dylan02> dilynm: Bootloader is from Arch so it should be included.
2020-06-08T18:07:14 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Too many ideas, guys XD I'm a simple linux user. Let me compile kernel first.
2020-06-08T18:07:42 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's an optional dep on arch
2020-06-08T18:10:08 #kisslinux <dylan02> Huuu
2020-06-08T18:11:06 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> defconfig will have the initramfs disabled (as it should be as suggested by the install guide?)?
2020-06-08T18:12:09 #kisslinux <dilynm> Probably not
2020-06-08T18:13:36 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Initial ram filesystem and RAM disk support <-- it was enabled, disabling it now.
2020-06-08T18:24:06 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> make -j6     #here we gooooooOOO~~~
2020-06-08T18:25:37 #kisslinux <dylan02> Nice
2020-06-08T18:29:44 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Compiled.
2020-06-08T18:30:13 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> By looking at time on IRC, it took 5 minutes and 36 seconds.
2020-06-08T18:31:15 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> ok
2020-06-08T18:31:32 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> So before I install kernel to /boot, should I mount /sda1 /boot?
2020-06-08T18:31:54 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> hmm no... sda1 is /boot/efi not /boot
2020-06-08T18:39:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> You should mount whatever partition holds /boot
2020-06-08T18:40:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> Or rather, moutn it however it's mounted in arch
2020-06-08T18:44:58 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> my first installation didn't even have a /boot partition, I just recently started doing it.
2020-06-08T18:45:04 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I facerolled Arch installation XD
2020-06-08T18:46:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> Try separate /var, /usr, /tmp, etc...
2020-06-08T18:46:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> FHS is fun
2020-06-08T18:50:25 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
2020-06-08T18:50:25 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> grub-install: warning: cannot open directory `/usr/share/locale': No such file or directory.
2020-06-08T18:50:25 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> modprobe: can't change directory to '5.6.15-arch1-1': No such file or directory
2020-06-08T18:50:25 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Installation finished. No error reported.
2020-06-08T18:50:39 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> oups, sorry. It was a bad idea to paste it afterall
2020-06-08T19:02:00 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> So I broke my arch grub
2020-06-08T19:02:04 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> HAHA!
2020-06-08T19:05:37 #kisslinux <claudia02> aloha!
2020-06-08T19:06:48 #kisslinux <dylan02> o/
2020-06-08T19:08:09 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> helloo o/
2020-06-08T19:14:25 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Well, looks like I'm a noob after all xd
2020-06-08T19:25:39 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Damn... I did everything but failed at GRUB :/
2020-06-08T19:25:47 #kisslinux <jedavies> icewm here if anyone wants to try: https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-personal
2020-06-08T19:25:50 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> I have to read more about that damn EFI
2020-06-08T19:31:43 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> jedavies, thanks, I'll save it for later.
2020-06-08T20:14:19 #kisslinux <claudia02> This jsml browser I posted earlier is dependency wise in the same category with surfer but for qt and still offers the performance of falkon.
2020-06-08T20:14:25 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://ibb.co/8XMnJrZ
2020-06-08T20:15:12 #kisslinux <claudia02> I could save some pkgs with another compositor but would then not be abel to make a screenshot ^^
2020-06-08T20:28:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> That's a clutch looking browser
2020-06-08T20:29:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> But can you search from the address bar is the real question
2020-06-08T20:32:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> No you cant to nothing like that. No search, no history, no search on website :P
2020-06-08T20:33:03 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lord Almighty
2020-06-08T20:33:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> Less feature complete than netscape
2020-06-08T20:33:59 #kisslinux <claudia02> But it utiliszes ffmpeg for youtube, thats neat
2020-06-08T20:34:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hmm
2020-06-08T20:36:50 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Linus wanted to remove the "80 chars per line" rule. What are your thoughts on that?
2020-06-08T21:25:56 #kisslinux <dylan02> KuchiKuu: It depends on the project. I use 100 for Neofetch as the longer lines are needed. I typically prefer 80 though.
2020-06-08T21:28:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> konimex: dylan: llvm 10 seems to have worked - the file exists, mesa build almost finished
2020-06-08T21:28:37 #kisslinux <dilynm> So either llvm-11 changed something or my build broke 🤷‍♀️
2020-06-08T21:34:37 #kisslinux <djt3[m]> dylan02: what ide or alternative do you use?
2020-06-08T21:39:42 #kisslinux <KuchiKuu> Going offline, have a nice day/evening.
2020-06-08T22:50:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hmm. Linux-nitrous fails still. ix.io/2oFG
2020-06-08T22:50:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> Neovim fails with the same error as before, which was expected