2020-10-23T00:56:50 #kisslinux <nerditup> just seeing this now: https://github.com/Earnestly/sx - looks great!
2020-10-23T00:57:39 #kisslinux <nerditup> anybody know of any drawbacks or limitations to using this over xinit?
2020-10-23T01:25:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> Xinit technically just provides a type of skeleton that administrators are supposed to tweak for their own systems
2020-10-23T01:25:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> Cem keylen has a cool blog post on it if I can dig it up...
2020-10-23T01:25:42 #kisslinux <dilynm> https://cemkeylan.com/blog/20200812-starting-x-without-xinit.html
2020-10-23T01:33:31 #kisslinux <nerditup> oh nice
2020-10-23T01:33:53 #kisslinux <nerditup> dilynm: I also just finished reading through your KDE work for KISS, good stuff
2020-10-23T01:34:02 #kisslinux <nerditup> I wonder if there's anyway I could help
2020-10-23T01:42:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> There's always more work to be done
2020-10-23T01:42:34 #kisslinux <dilynm> And thank you :)
2020-10-23T08:28:37 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> hi people, i have a problem with alsa
2020-10-23T08:29:17 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> i configured to "Record audio from an application while also routing the audio to an output device"
2020-10-23T08:29:28 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> from here https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Capture/ALSA
2020-10-23T08:29:34 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> but firefox have no sound
2020-10-23T08:29:56 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> anyone else have tried something similar?
2020-10-23T09:18:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> does sound work in other apps?
2020-10-23T09:19:09 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> yes
2020-10-23T09:19:25 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> mpv works correct
2020-10-23T09:19:34 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> except when firefox runs
2020-10-23T09:20:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> does it work without your capture routing stuff?
2020-10-23T09:20:14 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> wait a minut
2020-10-23T09:29:38 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> well no
2020-10-23T09:30:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> might be a firefox regression, you use latest binary build i assume?
2020-10-23T09:31:29 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> source
2020-10-23T09:31:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ff tried to disable alsa support in the past in favor of pulseaudio, iirc it required some hacks to get it working regardless
2020-10-23T09:32:17 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> i build it from kiss repo
2020-10-23T10:00:58 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> yes finally firefox works without the loop stuff
2020-10-23T12:20:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> have you tried telling mpv which audio device to use https://mpv.io/manual/master/#options-audio-device
2020-10-23T12:21:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i've had trouble where the "default" that gets picked isn't actually the one i want it to use
2020-10-23T13:05:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mpv also appears to have a bit of an issue with non-"simple" alsa configurations now.  they've deprecated --ao=alsa:device=xxx and the --audio-device tag doesn't appear to parse properly
2020-10-23T13:14:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> never mind, i forgot i had firejail running
2020-10-23T17:00:25 #kisslinux <nerditup> I wish I knew more about cross-compiling packages so I can test kiss on my pi
2020-10-23T17:00:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> afaik kiss isn't designed for crosscompilation
2020-10-23T17:01:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> adding support for it would mean a lot of effort
2020-10-23T17:05:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> Isn't there an arm port of kiss?
2020-10-23T17:07:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i suppose one can compile kiss just fine on arm using a native toolchain (but there will like be some bugs in some packages waiting to be discovered)
2020-10-23T17:07:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> *likely
2020-10-23T17:18:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's this one https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-aarch64 jedavies was playing with
2020-10-23T17:28:47 #kisslinux <nerditup> yeah I know it has been called out explicitly kiss is only for x86_64, just thought it could be fun :D
2020-10-23T17:29:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there are other distros that can be crosscompiled, openwrt, openadk, and probably most similar to kiss: sabotage
2020-10-23T17:32:06 #kisslinux <nerditup> ominous_anonymou: that repo has a lot of good info on how they compiled for aarch64, just looking through the build scripts
2020-10-23T17:41:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah i tried (extremely briefly) to figure out whether I could install KISS onto a RPi based off how they did their setup but I'm not smart enough to figure it out :)
2020-10-23T18:03:47 #kisslinux <jedavies> Hey ominous_anonymou, let me know if you have any issues. Not sure about how the RPi boots though, don't have one myself.
2020-10-23T18:05:25 #kisslinux <jedavies> One way is to start with an sd card that you know boots on the RPi and replace the root filesystem with KISS
2020-10-23T18:06:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> If I ever actually get to a point where I try it, I will :)
2020-10-23T18:06:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> would it be possible to use a chroot on the RPi first just to check things out?
2020-10-23T18:09:15 #kisslinux <jedavies> Yeah should be fine
2020-10-23T20:10:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does anyone know how to get an fna game to work on wayland without xorg?
2020-10-23T20:11:28 #kisslinux <micr0> what is fna?
2020-10-23T20:12:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's an c# game framework lots of indie games are based off of such as terraria. I used to be able to run it in xorg using gcompat but can't get it to work on wayland(which in theory may be possible since it uses sdl2 as the backend). But due to me using clang/llvm now I'm not sure whether the issue is that or wayland since with ldd it shows gcc needed.
2020-10-23T20:21:06 #kisslinux <micr0> muevoid whats the most minimal kiss build-able test I can do?
2020-10-23T20:21:27 #kisslinux <micr0> i.e. are there any fna games in the kiss-games repo?
2020-10-23T20:21:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> They are all binaries I was just looking if someone owned any and could test. No worries
2020-10-23T20:22:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it has libgcc_s.so in DT_NEEDED ?
2020-10-23T20:22:50 #kisslinux <micr0> i can check if there are any humblestore games i own that i could test
2020-10-23T20:23:02 #kisslinux <micr0> i guess steam doesnt work on kiss xD
2020-10-23T20:23:52 #kisslinux <onodera> it does
2020-10-23T20:24:02 #kisslinux <onodera> install something like arch in a chroot
2020-10-23T20:24:17 #kisslinux <onodera> you can run steam or other closed source stuff from there
2020-10-23T20:25:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Perhaps I'll try that any tips on how to do that
2020-10-23T20:25:27 #kisslinux <micr0> onodera that would be an awesome kiss-wiki page
2020-10-23T20:26:49 #kisslinux <micr0> i wonder if there are docker images to play games as well
2020-10-23T20:27:44 #kisslinux <micr0> a/docker/container
2020-10-23T20:27:51 #kisslinux <micr0> s/a/s
2020-10-23T21:13:27 #kisslinux <onodera_> [Child 7003, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: 7f129e6410f0 OpenCubeb() failed to init cubeb: file /root/.cache/kiss/build-26428/firefox/dom/media/AudioStream.cpp, line 330
2020-10-23T21:13:30 #kisslinux <onodera_> [Child 7003, MediaDecoderStateMachine #1] WARNING: Decoder=7f12a253cd60 [OnMediaSinkAudioError]: file /root/.cache/kiss/build-26428/firefox/dom/media/MediaDecoderStateMachine.cpp, line 3891
2020-10-23T21:13:34 #kisslinux <onodera_> JavaScript error: , line 0: SyntaxError: An invalid or illegal string was
2020-10-23T21:13:37 #kisslinux <onodera_> specified
2020-10-23T21:13:44 #kisslinux <onodera_> woops, a bit, but is anyone else experiencing these errors with firefox
2020-10-23T21:13:54 #kisslinux <onodera_> also audio not working?
2020-10-23T21:24:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> eudaldgr was reporting audio not working issues earlier
2020-10-23T21:29:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> audio is working fine for me
2020-10-23T21:29:43 #kisslinux <onodera_> hmm
2020-10-23T21:30:01 #kisslinux <onodera_> not sure what happened then...
2020-10-23T21:32:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> both my qt browsers started having segfaults out of the blue so i had to switch (:
2020-10-23T21:32:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> must be browser bugs going around
2020-10-23T21:34:51 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> eww
2020-10-23T21:36:35 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I've got sound in Firefox.
2020-10-23T21:36:58 #kisslinux <onodera_> mysterious browser bugs are the best
2020-10-23T21:39:33 #kisslinux <deppy> Hey, does anyone here have a local copy of the youtube-dl git repo?
2020-10-23T21:39:47 #kisslinux <deppy> They got taken down from github cause of a DMCA request
2020-10-23T21:40:04 #kisslinux <deppy> You can still get tarballs from pip but I'd like to have the git history
2020-10-23T22:51:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they also took down the 10K forks ?
2020-10-23T22:52:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm imaginging some Microsoft intern spending their whole day doing that
2020-10-23T22:53:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> microsoft is proving more and more that their takeover of github won't end well
2020-10-23T22:53:38 #kisslinux <nerditup> That's a dangerous precedent
2020-10-23T22:53:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> we should start mirroring stuff asap
2020-10-23T22:53:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Are we talking about youtube-dl?
2020-10-23T22:53:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yea
2020-10-23T22:53:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I heard the news hours ago
2020-10-23T22:53:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I have the latest git pull tarballed
2020-10-23T22:54:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> And latest release, too, I think
2020-10-23T22:54:04 #kisslinux <onodera> crazy that a tool can be taken down
2020-10-23T22:54:15 #kisslinux <onodera> also they renamed the master branch to 'main' lol
2020-10-23T22:54:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> It's not like similar things haven't happened before
2020-10-23T22:55:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the only thing of interest i've seen dmca'd was a leak of broadcom driver sw
2020-10-23T22:55:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and there were only 3 forks all over gh
2020-10-23T22:55:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> guess they got on it pretty fast
2020-10-23T22:55:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> china tried to get shadowsocks dmca'd but they only took down the main repo, not the fork
2020-10-23T22:56:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> *forks
2020-10-23T22:56:38 #kisslinux <onodera> there was some program that got taken down because of insensitive language, a year or 2 ago
2020-10-23T22:56:41 #kisslinux <onodera> and the forks as well
2020-10-23T22:56:51 #kisslinux <onodera> it was called "something for retards" or something
2020-10-23T22:57:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> kek
2020-10-23T22:57:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Not surprising someone threw a fit
2020-10-23T22:59:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wonder if Debian and the rest of 'em will get hit with DMCAs too
2020-10-23T22:59:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> since they're redistributing it or whatever
2020-10-23T23:00:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but actually it was clear from the beginning. youtube got taken over by google, censorship went through the roof in the last years
2020-10-23T23:00:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since facebook booted out other social networks, they do the same
2020-10-23T23:00:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mhm.
2020-10-23T23:02:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> mcpcpc: has given me a most terrible curse
2020-10-23T23:02:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> this storage wiki page is horrifying
2020-10-23T23:05:01 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> :)
2020-10-23T23:16:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it's too long tbh but I'm continuously disappointed by every other article on disks and partitions that I'd rather just have a *good* reference than ten disparate ones
2020-10-23T23:16:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I hope you like it mcpcpc :P
2020-10-23T23:21:13 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <dilyn "I hope you like it mcpcpc :P"> i do!  it’s definitely a difficult topic to cover in one article.   so many topics and nuances.  but i think it serves its purpose.  plus, if anyone wants to learn “more”, they can already refer to the dozens of references at the end!