2020-11-12T02:09:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/in3P.png kiss in a virtualbox vm running headless...  pic is an xrdp connection to the vm from my Windows desktop (with sound forwarded to my local machine, playing pianobar)
2020-11-12T02:10:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> pywal sets colors based on the wallpaper i put in my .xinitrc, sowm has a border on the focused window only (kinda glitchy, but i like it better than all-or-nothing window borders)
2020-11-12T02:14:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nice 'n clean
2020-11-12T02:14:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not cool enough yet to use a minimalist WM
2020-11-12T02:15:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well i usually use openbox but it's gone from repos and i can't be arsed to install it myself
2020-11-12T02:15:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair
2020-11-12T02:15:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> of the *box managers I'm more of a Flux guy
2020-11-12T02:15:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> Window tabs are an amazing feature and I wish FVWM still had them
2020-11-12T02:15:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> usually i have a bar at the top that gives time, date, and a clickable button to exit X
2020-11-12T02:17:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/6799467/81230554-63f7c680-8ffa-11ea-9a2a-1672f8c718a4.jpg this is more like what my openbox config usually looks like
2020-11-12T02:18:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> also nice
2020-11-12T02:18:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had a site to dump screenshots to I'd show you my config
2020-11-12T02:18:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> even though it's not exactly r/unixporn material :v
2020-11-12T02:19:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> 0x0.st lets you upload with curl, i usually use that
2020-11-12T02:20:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, cool
2020-11-12T02:20:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll go peek at it
2020-11-12T02:23:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://ix.io/ too, as a pastebin
2020-11-12T02:23:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://0x0.st/in3m.png
2020-11-12T02:23:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> Awesome, thanks
2020-11-12T02:24:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, I'm still working on my setup
2020-11-12T02:25:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta package the rest of the software I normally integrate into it
2020-11-12T02:25:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> looks great already!
2020-11-12T02:25:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> Thanks ^^;
2020-11-12T02:25:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've got assets for a few different widgets
2020-11-12T02:25:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> the current set is QNX's Desert theme
2020-11-12T02:25:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I've got the standard Blue packaged as well as Red Hat's Bluecurve
2020-11-12T02:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> in the future I'd like to write a small program to allow the user to dynamically choose and recolor the in-use widget set
2020-11-12T02:26:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that would be amazing
2020-11-12T02:26:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, dude, FVWM is nuts
2020-11-12T02:26:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i miss the crazy themes that people used to make
2020-11-12T02:26:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> the stuff you can make it do is ridiculous
2020-11-12T02:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had to make a comparison, it's the Emacs of window managers
2020-11-12T02:27:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://golem.sourceforge.net/themes.html like these
2020-11-12T02:27:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://golem.sourceforge.net/themes/XpansionBlack.png
2020-11-12T02:27:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> Golem is really cool
2020-11-12T02:28:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wanted to use it, but the source code won't compile for me
2020-11-12T02:28:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again it's ancient and unmaintained
2020-11-12T02:28:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> so no surprise
2020-11-12T02:28:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i made a freebsd vm and installed it lol
2020-11-12T02:28:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, really?
2020-11-12T02:28:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> How difficult is it to configure, if I can ask?
2020-11-12T02:29:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it was a bit of a PITA but i'm not exactly quick with things
2020-11-12T02:29:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://golem.sourceforge.net/themes/Photon.jpg
2020-11-12T02:29:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> ayyyy someone made a QNX theme
2020-11-12T02:29:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> golem fortunately is prepackaged for freebsd so pkg_add golemwm i think it was and good to go
2020-11-12T02:31:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> Based
2020-11-12T02:31:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> wait netbsd not freebsd
2020-11-12T02:31:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> pkgsrc has a crazy amount of packages
2020-11-12T02:31:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> like 25k or something
2020-11-12T02:32:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah their wm collection is lovely
2020-11-12T02:32:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/wm/README.html
2020-11-12T02:33:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only one I would care about that they don't have is the SCWM
2020-11-12T02:33:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah that's impressive
2020-11-12T02:41:42 #kisslinux <Rio6> xterm says "open ttydev: Permission denied" after switching to mdev :(
2020-11-12T02:42:04 #kisslinux <Rio6> trying to find which file
2020-11-12T02:43:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip
2020-11-12T02:43:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, by the way, do any of you guys have experience with a bootloader called KBoot?
2020-11-12T02:43:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was tinkering with it earlier and it seems like it strikes a really nice balance between LILO and GRUB
2020-11-12T02:52:57 #kisslinux <acheam> Anybody have any reccomendations on how I could further reduce the size of KISS? I am creating a docker base image, so no kernel or bootloader is involved
2020-11-12T02:53:24 #kisslinux <acheam> Currently im at 217MB
2020-11-12T02:54:22 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: Haven't heard of it before. Can't find too much stuff online about it, I might mess around with it later
2020-11-12T02:54:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> cool, post results plox
2020-11-12T03:14:48 #kisslinux <konimex> this one? http://kboot.sourceforge.net/ quite an old bootloader
2020-11-12T03:16:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hmm... I don't think so
2020-11-12T03:16:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://github.com/aejsmith/kboot
2020-11-12T03:16:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is the repo I was messing with
2020-11-12T03:17:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I won't lie though, the documentation goes over my head a little bit
2020-11-12T03:17:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> mentions that it needs a specific kind of MBR, like that provided by SYSLINUX, which... I mean, I didn't even know there __were__ different kinds of MBR
2020-11-12T03:18:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of SYSLINUX, has anyone packaged it for KISS?
2020-11-12T03:36:42 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> [midfavila](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_midfavila:matrix.org): https://github.com/eudaldgr/kiss-live/tree/master/repo/syslinux
2020-11-12T03:37:06 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: ah, yeah I was looking at the other one too. Both the contributers to that github repo have done some pretty cool stuff, I would recommend taking a peek into some of their repos.
2020-11-12T03:37:37 #kisslinux <midfavila_> thanks anonymous matrix user
2020-11-12T03:37:45 #kisslinux <midfavila_> and I definitely will, acheam
2020-11-12T03:49:04 #kisslinux <midfavila_> guy clearly knows what he's doing, that's for sure
2020-11-12T03:50:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so golem expects 32-bit gcc
2020-11-12T03:50:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm now over my head lol
2020-11-12T03:50:28 #kisslinux <midfavila_> god, I don't want to imagine running a multilib KISS
2020-11-12T03:50:40 #kisslinux <midfavila_> or rather, having to package it
2020-11-12T03:51:26 #kisslinux <midfavila_> I'm all for legacy support, but the day everyone moves to 64-bit systems and drops 32-bit for good will be a good day in my books
2020-11-12T03:52:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i know there's a 32-bit kiss someone put together
2020-11-12T03:54:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i take it i would need to look into something like this https://github.com/jedavies-dev/musl-cross-make
2020-11-12T03:55:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ah here is the port: https://github.com/arvl130/kiss32-repo
2020-11-12T03:56:17 #kisslinux <midfavila_> mhm
2020-11-12T03:56:26 #kisslinux <midfavila_> there are uclibc and glibc ports of it, too
2020-11-12T04:02:39 #kisslinux <Rio6> mounting devpts with -o gid=5,mode=620 fixed xterm
2020-11-12T04:03:04 #kisslinux <Rio6> why so many virtual fs smh
2020-11-12T04:04:01 #kisslinux <Rio6> next problem: usb does not show in lsblk
2020-11-12T04:28:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> Rio6, next time you get a permission error check strace
2020-11-12T04:36:30 #kisslinux <Rio6> good idea, I'll try next time
2020-11-12T05:06:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Sooooo... working on a fresh install of regular KISS. Haven't even gotten around to installing a kernel, usbutils is throwing a build error "configure: line 4521: syntax error: unexpected word (expecting ")")". Can you guys reproduce this?
2020-11-12T05:27:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> what is usbutils even used for?
2020-11-12T05:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> lsusb and friends
2020-11-12T05:27:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise busybox spits out some uh... less than useful information
2020-11-12T05:27:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with pciutils and lspci
2020-11-12T05:28:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm guilty of not really liking busybox all that much
2020-11-12T05:28:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> I knew about pci utils just didn't know about usbutils
2020-11-12T05:28:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod*
2020-11-12T05:28:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ill build it to see if I can reproduce although I'm not on regular kiss
2020-11-12T05:28:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> No worries
2020-11-12T05:28:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> No issue here
2020-11-12T05:28:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fwiw I get the same error on my gKISS host
2020-11-12T05:29:16 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Works fine here on GKISS
2020-11-12T05:29:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's weird... and you guys are up to date on your repos?
2020-11-12T05:29:37 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Yes
2020-11-12T05:29:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes I don't usually use community but I have it on my system and keep it up to date
2020-11-12T05:30:43 #kisslinux * midfavila strikes a Thinker pose
2020-11-12T05:30:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> could you send the whole log or is that all it says?
2020-11-12T05:31:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's all it says using ash
2020-11-12T05:31:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> using yash in strict POSIX mode gets "./configure:4521: syntax error: `(' must be followed by `)' in a function definition"
2020-11-12T05:31:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm on ash as well so I don't think it would be that
2020-11-12T05:31:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> ill go look at the sources
2020-11-12T05:31:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> see the weird thing is that this is using a fresh install of the latest KISS
2020-11-12T05:32:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it's totally stock
2020-11-12T05:32:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so what's there in configure ?
2020-11-12T05:33:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Weird
2020-11-12T05:33:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> In configure it just has do :
2020-11-12T05:33:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> on line 4521
2020-11-12T05:34:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does yours match that midfavila?
2020-11-12T05:34:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, which is even stranger
2020-11-12T05:34:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> at 4521 mine is PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBUSB, libusb-1.0 >= 1.0.14)
2020-11-12T05:34:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> maybe try removing the tarball from sources then do kiss u && kiss b usbutils?
2020-11-12T05:35:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> same results
2020-11-12T05:35:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2020-11-12T05:35:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> computers are weird sometimes
2020-11-12T05:35:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Want to upload the configure file to termbin?
2020-11-12T05:37:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://termbin.com/tsl0
2020-11-12T05:38:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> maybe try just removing them by adding "sed -i '/PKG_CHECK_MODULES/d' configure" in the build file?
2020-11-12T05:40:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope, no good
2020-11-12T05:40:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> New error or?
2020-11-12T05:40:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> same error
2020-11-12T05:40:32 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Same error here on a fresh kiss-chroot
2020-11-12T05:40:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ah!
2020-11-12T05:40:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm
2020-11-12T05:40:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's strange
2020-11-12T05:40:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> So I'm __not__ insane
2020-11-12T05:41:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> was it the same line number midfavila?
2020-11-12T05:41:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah
2020-11-12T05:41:07 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> yes
2020-11-12T05:41:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Exact same error
2020-11-12T05:41:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> what version of autoconf have you got, muevoid?
2020-11-12T05:41:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> 2.69 2
2020-11-12T05:41:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> so then it's not that...
2020-11-12T05:41:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> libusb 1.0.23
2020-11-12T05:42:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> I use libudev-zero instead of eudev
2020-11-12T05:42:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't know if libusb would affect generated configuration files
2020-11-12T05:42:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think so
2020-11-12T05:42:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> maybe libtool?
2020-11-12T05:42:33 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> The host that works has the same version of autoconf
2020-11-12T05:42:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> 2.4.6
2020-11-12T05:42:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> for libtool
2020-11-12T05:42:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's probably not that
2020-11-12T05:42:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> since that's what I've got on the guest
2020-11-12T05:43:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I don't think so just thought worth asking
2020-11-12T05:43:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> any leads are better than no leads :P
2020-11-12T05:44:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, at least yash is functioning on the new setup!
2020-11-12T05:44:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> what does config.log have if you try to manually do it in the sources?
2020-11-12T05:44:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, let me check
2020-11-12T05:46:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> some crap about minix libraries. that's interesting but irrelevant
2020-11-12T05:46:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah I'm not seeing anything useful
2020-11-12T05:46:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> other than configure exiting with error code 258
2020-11-12T05:46:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> which I'm sure means absolutely nothing
2020-11-12T05:47:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T05:47:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know, why would they even put in error codes if they don't have meaning?
2020-11-12T05:47:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's just misleading
2020-11-12T05:49:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <midfavila> at 4521 mine is PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBUSB, libusb-1.0 >= 1.0.14)
2020-11-12T05:49:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that's not valid shell syntax
2020-11-12T05:49:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's why I tried having him do sed
2020-11-12T05:49:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> but said made no difference
2020-11-12T05:49:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, did you run autogen.sh ?
2020-11-12T05:50:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I had to the first time. I only added it to the build file the first time around
2020-11-12T05:50:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me try again manually
2020-11-12T05:50:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> usually you should download a release tarball which has a ready-made configure script
2020-11-12T05:50:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> usbutils doesn't
2020-11-12T05:50:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so you dont need the autotools
2020-11-12T05:50:43 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2020-11-12T05:50:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> even in tarballs
2020-11-12T05:50:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> afaik
2020-11-12T05:50:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> tell that to the maintainer of the kiss package
2020-11-12T05:51:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the maintainer uses a git checkout ?
2020-11-12T05:51:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2020-11-12T05:51:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> tarball
2020-11-12T05:51:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but of a git snapshot ?
2020-11-12T05:52:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> I 'unno. I'm just reporting back on what the sources file says.
2020-11-12T05:52:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's under kernel.org's pub directory so I assume it's not a git snap
2020-11-12T05:53:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so
2020-11-12T05:53:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> running the sed command posted earlier on the configure script generated by autogen results in a new error of the same type
2020-11-12T05:53:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> just on line 4334
2020-11-12T05:53:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that's not a proper fix
2020-11-12T05:53:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> hm
2020-11-12T05:53:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah, obviously
2020-11-12T05:53:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I know just wanted to see if it would work
2020-11-12T05:54:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you need to get PKG_CHECK_MODULES to expand to what it's supposed to do
2020-11-12T05:54:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> by regenerating the configure script with the proper tools
2020-11-12T05:54:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure what would be proper if not the latest version of automake, autoconf, and a stock KISS install
2020-11-12T05:54:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> autoreconf -i is what i usually use
2020-11-12T05:55:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> results in the same error
2020-11-12T05:55:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> is pkgconfig installed ?
2020-11-12T05:55:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> maybe that's supposed to install the .m4 files containing the macro
2020-11-12T05:55:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would make sense. it's not installed
2020-11-12T05:55:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll try that
2020-11-12T05:56:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah yeah that is probably it probably isn't in the deps since it is in most peoples installs. Probably open up a community issue if that is the case
2020-11-12T05:56:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...uuuuuh... either I'm missing something or pkgconfig isn't even in the core and community repos
2020-11-12T05:56:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hehe all the advanced dependency detection tools in kiss... por nada :)
2020-11-12T05:57:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> isn't it pkg-config
2020-11-12T05:57:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait, never mind
2020-11-12T05:57:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's pkgconf
2020-11-12T05:57:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> nvm
2020-11-12T05:57:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> not pkgconfig
2020-11-12T05:57:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah
2020-11-12T05:57:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> brainlet moment
2020-11-12T05:57:54 #kisslinux * midfavila facedesks
2020-11-12T05:58:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I almost feel like that should be added to the dependencies. it's not immediately obvious
2020-11-12T05:59:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, that did work
2020-11-12T05:59:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks for the suggestion sh4rm4^bnc
2020-11-12T05:59:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> It should be
2020-11-12T05:59:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> pkg-config/pkgconf is a basic build tool, should be installed in any build-from-source distro
2020-11-12T06:00:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah, but wouldn't you just assume it's installed, then?
2020-11-12T06:00:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> I get that KISS is all about making zero assumptions, but...
2020-11-12T06:00:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be like "oh, you want to compile stuff? install the toolchain yourself, 4hed"
2020-11-12T06:00:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'd stuff it into the core chroot, since pkgconf is tiny anway
2020-11-12T06:00:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think it should be in the deps
2020-11-12T06:00:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> deps definitely
2020-11-12T06:00:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> but not core
2020-11-12T06:00:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> But I think it should be left out of preinstalled
2020-11-12T06:00:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> What if someone just wanted a tty for some reason?
2020-11-12T06:01:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> my pkgconf bin is like 40K
2020-11-12T06:01:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think its about size just less things needed the better
2020-11-12T06:01:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> only stuff that should be in the core should be a basic userspace and build environment
2020-11-12T06:01:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> If it won't be ever used why put it in there
2020-11-12T06:01:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least imo
2020-11-12T06:01:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think personally it should have enough to build the kernel and stuff to build the boot tools
2020-11-12T06:01:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and pkgconf is a basic build utility
2020-11-12T06:01:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but do you really want to include perl in the core
2020-11-12T06:02:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> anyway, laters
2020-11-12T06:02:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> o/
2020-11-12T06:02:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> see you
2020-11-12T06:02:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> also perl isnt *needed*
2020-11-12T06:02:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> technically yeah
2020-11-12T06:02:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know how it's not used in every single instance of the kernel, and how you can apply patches and yada yada yada
2020-11-12T06:04:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> It is used in most cases
2020-11-12T06:04:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> But yeah patches
2020-11-12T06:04:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> Well patch
2020-11-12T06:05:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> on the topic of stuff included in the base: userspaces!
2020-11-12T06:05:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> (this is kind of a leap but roll with me here)
2020-11-12T06:06:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> what would you say would be the best alternative to busybox and the GNU crud after install?
2020-11-12T06:06:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> sbase
2020-11-12T06:06:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> imo
2020-11-12T06:06:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've been really interested in trying out the plan 9 tools and sbase
2020-11-12T06:06:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> O
2020-11-12T06:06:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm thinking of switching muelinux to sbase
2020-11-12T06:06:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> then system mgr for the service manager
2020-11-12T06:06:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> and sysinit for init
2020-11-12T06:06:57 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2020-11-12T06:07:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I normally use Hummingbird
2020-11-12T06:07:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then sysmgr for services
2020-11-12T06:07:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> currently on my host I have a full GNU setup (glibc, coreutils, w/e)
2020-11-12T06:07:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm cool
2020-11-12T06:07:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> I may use this instead
2020-11-12T06:07:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> hummingbird is crazy fast
2020-11-12T06:07:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> I didn't like the fact it was shell script
2020-11-12T06:07:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's pretty easy to configure
2020-11-12T06:08:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> boothooks go in /etc/hummingbird.d, and you can alter the three boot stages in /usr/lib/hummingbird, but the core of it is written in C afaik
2020-11-12T06:08:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm assuming something non oss is why u need glibc?
2020-11-12T06:08:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah
2020-11-12T06:08:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> Any reason then?
2020-11-12T06:08:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just have trouble getting some stuff to build with musl
2020-11-12T06:08:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Any examples?
2020-11-12T06:08:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> so when I have issues, I pull in a slackware binary
2020-11-12T06:09:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> spacefm, galculator, nuegia (pale moon stripped of proprietary media), etc
2020-11-12T06:09:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Plus binary wise pretty sure you can steal them from alpine linux
2020-11-12T06:09:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> dockapps are finnicky too
2020-11-12T06:09:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> never saw dockapps before
2020-11-12T06:09:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> but fair enough
2020-11-12T06:09:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're fucking amazing
2020-11-12T06:10:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> Looks like xorg only so not an option for me
2020-11-12T06:10:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip
2020-11-12T06:10:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I'm not going to touch wayland for quite some time
2020-11-12T06:10:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-11-12T06:10:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I'd have to completely redo my entire setup
2020-11-12T06:10:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> (I use XDM because hurr, and FVWM has no plans to target Wayland any time soon)
2020-11-12T06:11:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> most of the tools I used already worked on wayland. And the two that I didn't like the wayland support I just wrote my own lol
2020-11-12T06:11:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's part of why I want to pick up programming as a skill
2020-11-12T06:11:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if only in a hobby capacity
2020-11-12T06:11:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> But almost all of the tools I use are in terminal
2020-11-12T06:11:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> So wayland isn't that different for me
2020-11-12T06:11:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair
2020-11-12T06:11:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I like using GTK2 stuff
2020-11-12T06:11:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if I spent most of my time in a terminal __anyways__
2020-11-12T06:12:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> And all gui applications I use are gtk3 or sdl2 so wayland support is a given
2020-11-12T06:12:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/spent/spend
2020-11-12T06:12:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> gtk2 was cool but no wayland support :<
2020-11-12T06:12:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> themes>wayland
2020-11-12T06:12:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't @ me
2020-11-12T06:12:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Plus is it even supported anymore?
2020-11-12T06:13:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, no
2020-11-12T06:13:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't really care about what the GNOME team thinks of my preferred toolkit :v
2020-11-12T06:13:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're a bunch of wieners anyways
2020-11-12T06:13:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah fair enough just wouldn't you worry about the security exploits that could be found?
2020-11-12T06:13:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> Or do they at least do security updates?
2020-11-12T06:14:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you can find a security exploit of any severity in a four-function calculator, I'll pay you a hundred dollars
2020-11-12T06:14:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> (not actually but you get the point)
2020-11-12T06:14:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol
2020-11-12T06:14:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> also wdym themes>wayland
2020-11-12T06:14:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> gtk3 themes are ass
2020-11-12T06:14:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah
2020-11-12T06:14:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's like three that are any good
2020-11-12T06:14:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have no input
2020-11-12T06:14:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't use any themes lol
2020-11-12T06:14:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> the rest are just "oh hey I changed the shape of the adwaita buttons and changed some colors"
2020-11-12T06:15:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> two gtk applications one is ugly as crap but I barely use and the other is a pdf viewer which I can't even tell uses gtk
2020-11-12T06:15:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, themes wouldn't be terribly important to me, except I'm kind of obsessed with the QNX Photon widgets
2020-11-12T06:15:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the Photon theme I have only supports GTK1 and GTK2
2020-11-12T06:15:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'm not going anywheres near the eldritch abomination that is GTK3 theming
2020-11-12T06:15:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh you want a GTK3 theme? write 20k lines of CSS"
2020-11-12T06:16:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Theres times I think about going back to xorg then I remember how much crap xorg has
2020-11-12T06:16:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I will admit that Xorg is supremely crufty
2020-11-12T06:16:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't dislike xorg and think it has a good place
2020-11-12T06:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also older than most people in here I bet
2020-11-12T06:16:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> But I can't bring myself to go back I just like wayland too much
2020-11-12T06:16:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, Xorg totally has a place. that place just isn't the desktop
2020-11-12T06:16:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was never designed for desktop use
2020-11-12T06:16:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T06:17:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I still think X terminals should make a come back in schools
2020-11-12T06:17:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> At one point it had a printer driver built into xorg
2020-11-12T06:17:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> *blink*
2020-11-12T06:17:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Excuse me, what?
2020-11-12T06:17:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah iirc
2020-11-12T06:17:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's stupid
2020-11-12T06:18:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I remember watching an old recording of the Computer Chronicles on the X Windowing System when it had just come out
2020-11-12T06:18:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> (this was like 1988)
2020-11-12T06:18:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> and seeing the hosts marvel at X primitives was hilarious
2020-11-12T06:18:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> I would say I agree with the X terminals in school but what why not just have raspberry pis for a cheap pc? I mean unless you need them to be doing more advanced things like cad which I had to do sometimes
2020-11-12T06:18:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> meanwhile, twenty years later, you've got wobbly windows and cube desktops
2020-11-12T06:19:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, yeah, that's why
2020-11-12T06:19:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus
2020-11-12T06:19:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> as cool as rasp pis are
2020-11-12T06:19:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're not production machines and never will be
2020-11-12T06:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and people need to stop treating them like they are
2020-11-12T06:19:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're hobbyist and educational tools
2020-11-12T06:20:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I mean they are quite powerful considering the price. Depending on what you do with a pc I don't see why you couldn't use one for everything.
2020-11-12T06:20:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> having X terminals connected to a "mainframe" (not an actual one, maybe just a crazy powerful server or two) could allow students and teachers access to the entire network from anywheres in the building, with full computational power
2020-11-12T06:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, but think of what an X terminal is
2020-11-12T06:20:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's basically just a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and a barebones system to connect to an X server
2020-11-12T06:20:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah but most schools use google docs and friends now for most things
2020-11-12T06:21:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can get that a fair bit cheaper than what amounts to a fully usable thin client with a rasp pi
2020-11-12T06:21:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus
2020-11-12T06:21:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> so chromebooks make sense for that (trash imo) workflow
2020-11-12T06:21:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh god
2020-11-12T06:21:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> my college issued me a chromebook
2020-11-12T06:21:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> because they refuse to use standardized formats like PDF for textbooks and instead use these shitty always online services
2020-11-12T06:21:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and ofc those don't run well or at all on my setup
2020-11-12T06:22:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like
2020-11-12T06:22:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> how fucking hard is it to use PDFs or ePubs
2020-11-12T06:22:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know i find it really unfortunate
2020-11-12T06:22:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> you want to know what's even funnier?
2020-11-12T06:22:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also most schools force students (at least in my area) to have google account
2020-11-12T06:22:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> accounts*
2020-11-12T06:22:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm studying systems administration and computer security, and all they've taught so far is how to use microshit
2020-11-12T06:22:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Damn
2020-11-12T06:22:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> my college signed us all up for a fuckton of services
2020-11-12T06:22:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's unfortunate
2020-11-12T06:22:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> like at least seven
2020-11-12T06:23:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> I recently deleted my google account
2020-11-12T06:23:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> Discord, MS Teams, MS Outlook, Google, two different textbook services, and an online testing service
2020-11-12T06:23:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm doing amazon soon slowly moving my music collection to cd first
2020-11-12T06:23:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I can't wait to cut my google account
2020-11-12T06:23:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Discord??!!??!
2020-11-12T06:23:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-11-12T06:23:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know
2020-11-12T06:23:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> That was my reaction
2020-11-12T06:23:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Like what
2020-11-12T06:23:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> If you have teams anyways can't that be used?
2020-11-12T06:24:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the teacher doesn't like it
2020-11-12T06:24:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> so fuck you
2020-11-12T06:24:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-11-12T06:24:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> *facepalm*
2020-11-12T06:24:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh dude, get this
2020-11-12T06:24:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> he said that discord is so lightweight and stable because it's made for gamers
2020-11-12T06:24:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> lmao
2020-11-12T06:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> with a __straight face__
2020-11-12T06:24:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyways brb like five minutes
2020-11-12T06:24:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> I do gamedev as my main hobby and let me say games software and typically stuff related to it is some of the least lightweight things
2020-11-12T06:24:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> kk
2020-11-12T06:27:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> v
2020-11-12T06:28:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> My bad
2020-11-12T06:31:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay back
2020-11-12T06:31:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> welcome back
2020-11-12T06:32:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> was just getting some tea
2020-11-12T06:32:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> What kind?
2020-11-12T06:32:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> Earl Grey
2020-11-12T06:32:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> two sugars, one cream
2020-11-12T06:32:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then chilled
2020-11-12T06:32:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Green tea of any kind is my favorite
2020-11-12T06:32:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have a mug with "Coffee" on it to hold my tea, for the extra meme bonus
2020-11-12T06:32:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, green tea is nice when you're sick
2020-11-12T06:32:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-11-12T06:33:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> or if I wanted a quick palette cleanser
2020-11-12T06:33:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-11-12T06:33:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't really like drinking it regularly
2020-11-12T06:33:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> I've never had earl grey tea
2020-11-12T06:33:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm...
2020-11-12T06:33:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> It has a very mild taste
2020-11-12T06:33:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> Kind of flowery
2020-11-12T06:33:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> Maybe I'll try it
2020-11-12T06:33:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's nice
2020-11-12T06:34:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I recommend mixing in a tablespoon of honey
2020-11-12T06:34:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't eat honey :P I would probably do maple syrup
2020-11-12T06:34:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't do syrup with earl grey, haha
2020-11-12T06:34:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ok lol
2020-11-12T06:34:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I also picked up this weird peach tea the other day
2020-11-12T06:35:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's actually pretty good
2020-11-12T06:35:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm
2020-11-12T06:35:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's more of a very smooth juice than anything
2020-11-12T06:35:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Sounds interesting
2020-11-12T06:35:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> It is!
2020-11-12T06:35:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> What language do you want to learn if you were to learn programming?
2020-11-12T06:35:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> Sorry I jump subjects
2020-11-12T06:35:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol
2020-11-12T06:35:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> No worries
2020-11-12T06:35:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've been into Lua recently, since it's easy and fastest among the interpreted languages
2020-11-12T06:36:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lua is really cool I would like to integrate it into my current project. Specifically luajit since lua changes a lot in between releases
2020-11-12T06:36:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> As for compiled... my only experience is with FreeBASIC, but that's not exactly a production language, haha
2020-11-12T06:36:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T06:36:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, luajit is cool
2020-11-12T06:36:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-11-12T06:36:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's what I've been using
2020-11-12T06:36:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> just tinkering here and there right now
2020-11-12T06:36:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> experimenting with loops and such
2020-11-12T06:36:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> My prefered language though is c
2020-11-12T06:37:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want to learn C if for no other reason than how much influence it has on most languages
2020-11-12T06:37:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> if I had to choose any modern compiled language it would be go
2020-11-12T06:37:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> go is so far off my map it isn't even marked
2020-11-12T06:37:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> fair enough
2020-11-12T06:37:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with Rust
2020-11-12T06:37:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> It feels a lot like c to me without memory management
2020-11-12T06:37:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> I can agree with rust
2020-11-12T06:37:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> I can't stand rust
2020-11-12T06:38:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used to be in a chat with an op who never shut up with his simping for Rust
2020-11-12T06:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> he also liked to shit on anyone who used anything other than chrome or firefox
2020-11-12T06:38:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> The saftey of rust is awesome but that's the only good thing
2020-11-12T06:38:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, FORTH is super cool too
2020-11-12T06:39:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> mostly because it has zero safeties
2020-11-12T06:39:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-11-12T06:39:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh, you want to manipulate low level arbitrary memory? okay."
2020-11-12T06:39:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's super fucking weird in case you've never looked into it
2020-11-12T06:39:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, really, really weird
2020-11-12T06:39:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> That looks cool
2020-11-12T06:39:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only data type is the stack
2020-11-12T06:39:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think I will ever move away from c though
2020-11-12T06:39:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it can only perform calclations using RPN
2020-11-12T06:40:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, and FORTH is self-assembling
2020-11-12T06:40:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> Or at least anytime in the even remotely close future
2020-11-12T06:40:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> That does sound really cool though
2020-11-12T06:40:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> it is
2020-11-12T06:40:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Does it have good support for using c libs with it?
2020-11-12T06:40:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> uhhhhhhhhh
2020-11-12T06:40:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2020-11-12T06:40:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> how do I put this
2020-11-12T06:40:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't think it even supports the concept of libraries
2020-11-12T06:40:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-11-12T06:40:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-11-12T06:40:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> Still sounds really cool
2020-11-12T06:41:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically you should treat FORTH as a high level assembly
2020-11-12T06:41:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha
2020-11-12T06:41:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's easy to fuck it up, and if you fuck it up you can do things like crash your system using nothing but an interpreter
2020-11-12T06:41:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> BUT
2020-11-12T06:41:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> when you get it right, the binary can end up being smaller than raw assembly, and it's almost impossible to break the program
2020-11-12T06:42:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmm
2020-11-12T06:42:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> cool
2020-11-12T06:42:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus, since it's self-assembling, it's easy to port
2020-11-12T06:42:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, really really easy
2020-11-12T06:42:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> Scheme is cool too.
2020-11-12T06:43:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as weird as it sounds I kind of want to tinker with FORTRAN
2020-11-12T06:43:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think that is weird
2020-11-12T06:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a lot of stuff I want to learn honestly
2020-11-12T06:43:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> Haskell and APL are really cool as well
2020-11-12T06:43:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think it is cool to mess with any programming languages
2020-11-12T06:44:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> Or environments
2020-11-12T06:44:04 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2020-11-12T06:44:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> just my main one I think will always be c
2020-11-12T06:44:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> For sure
2020-11-12T06:44:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> Right now I want to learn more about the fundamentals of computer science before I settle into any one language
2020-11-12T06:44:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that's fair enough
2020-11-12T06:44:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but ofc my high school didn't let me take higher level maths
2020-11-12T06:44:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> Have you done anything with c?
2020-11-12T06:44:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> Uhh
2020-11-12T06:44:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wrote hello world in it
2020-11-12T06:44:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-11-12T06:44:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and made a box pop up using GTK
2020-11-12T06:45:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> I've never done anything with gtk lol
2020-11-12T06:46:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> only reason I want to mess with GTK is so I can make tools for my FVWM config, haha
2020-11-12T06:46:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough lol
2020-11-12T06:46:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence why I want to study DSL's stuff
2020-11-12T06:46:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> I just use the raw wayland api
2020-11-12T06:46:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> But everything I do tool wise is really simple
2020-11-12T06:47:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> Anything more complicated I either do raylib + raygui or opengl and nuklear
2020-11-12T06:47:32 #kisslinux * midfavila nods again
2020-11-12T06:47:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've never done anything 3D
2020-11-12T06:47:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> or really much of anything graphical
2020-11-12T06:48:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> the most complex program I wrote was a portscanner in python
2020-11-12T06:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think it was like... 200 lines or something
2020-11-12T06:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing terribly impressive or useful
2020-11-12T06:48:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> I used to be super into doing 3d things but now everything I do is 2d. I have found overtime I prefer 2d games over 3d
2020-11-12T06:48:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> or 2d graphics in general
2020-11-12T06:48:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I imagine they're easier to work with
2020-11-12T06:49:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> Eh for me personally I never really thought of that when doing so. And plus imo for everything I did 3d wasn't *that* much more complicated
2020-11-12T06:49:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> I just like limitations I think is the main thing
2020-11-12T06:49:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair
2020-11-12T06:50:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> Plus pixelart is like my favorite style for video games so that typically works better in 2d. Although I had worked on voxel games in the past
2020-11-12T06:50:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> Pixelart is really cool
2020-11-12T06:50:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I really like pixel art. I am planning on making my own pixel art editor soon
2020-11-12T06:50:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oooh, nice
2020-11-12T06:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> (Write it in GTK2)
2020-11-12T06:51:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> I currently use grafx2 though
2020-11-12T06:51:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> (hint hint)
2020-11-12T06:51:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-11-12T06:51:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> I will probably use glfw with vinox and raygui
2020-11-12T06:51:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> when I'm doing pixel art I just use mtPaint
2020-11-12T06:51:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again my "pixel art" is "how can I change the colors on this widget"
2020-11-12T06:51:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-11-12T06:52:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> The project I am working on rn my gf does most of the artwork
2020-11-12T06:52:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod*
2020-11-12T06:52:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh! If you like pixalart and stuff, have you ever seen the old NeXT style?
2020-11-12T06:53:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> We are going to rework some of them but heres what we have rn. https://0x0.st/inYh.png
2020-11-12T06:53:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have not
2020-11-12T06:53:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Have a link?
2020-11-12T06:53:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://i.redd.it/pq3v5ztrruy21.jpg
2020-11-12T06:53:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> here's an example
2020-11-12T06:53:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> I fucking despise Steve Jobs, but NeXTStep was and is amazing
2020-11-12T06:54:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's pretty cool
2020-11-12T06:54:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah dude
2020-11-12T06:54:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> But I have never liked lots of bars or window titlebars
2020-11-12T06:54:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> NeXT is honestly pretty great
2020-11-12T06:54:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's also fair
2020-11-12T06:54:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm a sucker for simple eye candy
2020-11-12T06:54:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-11-12T06:54:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> Not a fan of conky, but I'll spend weeks fiddling with widgets
2020-11-12T06:55:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I used to use conky
2020-11-12T06:55:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> But got sick of it
2020-11-12T06:55:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol
2020-11-12T06:55:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just don't see how it could be very useful
2020-11-12T06:55:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, wouldn't you have programs open over it all the time?
2020-11-12T06:55:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Now I literally have nothing except for a 2 pixel border around windows
2020-11-12T06:55:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think I posted a screenshot of my current setup earlier
2020-11-12T06:56:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> in irc?
2020-11-12T06:56:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://0x0.st/in3m.png
2020-11-12T06:56:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah
2020-11-12T06:56:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's not r/unixporn worthy, but it's comfy
2020-11-12T06:56:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm suprised to say this but I actually like it
2020-11-12T06:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2020-11-12T06:56:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> and again I don't usually like bars and stuff
2020-11-12T06:57:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, I tried to make sure everything has a purpose
2020-11-12T06:57:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Superflous decoration is lame
2020-11-12T06:57:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> but just enough decoration can enhance the usability of a system, I think
2020-11-12T06:58:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> this is my current setup: https://0x0.st/ingr.png
2020-11-12T06:58:39 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Nice
2020-11-12T06:58:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> "woa dood are you using eye three gapps"
2020-11-12T06:58:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> If you are saying that to me thanks
2020-11-12T06:58:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-11-12T06:59:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> swaywm 4life
2020-11-12T06:59:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> At least until dwl is more usable
2020-11-12T06:59:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> Tilers are cool, but I couldn't use one on the daily
2020-11-12T06:59:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> I do intend to implement tiling in my FVWM configuration though
2020-11-12T06:59:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hikari is pretty cool for a stacking one
2020-11-12T07:00:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> FVWM spoils me, I could never switch now
2020-11-12T07:00:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> But on my laptop screen screen real estate is low so tiling makes the most sense
2020-11-12T07:00:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, see, that's legit
2020-11-12T07:00:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> I normally don't even bother with a GUI on my laptop
2020-11-12T07:00:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> (if I had one)
2020-11-12T07:00:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough lol but this is my main machine and as I do gamedev a gui is *needed* most of the time
2020-11-12T07:01:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, fair
2020-11-12T07:01:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Although I am thinking about implementing a way to just use a framebuffer with my game because I can lol
2020-11-12T07:01:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only reason I __need__ a GUI is because my school won't accept anything other than Word documents for assignments
2020-11-12T07:01:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I can't write my projects in roff
2020-11-12T07:01:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is super fucking cringe
2020-11-12T07:01:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's unfortunate
2020-11-12T07:01:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-11-12T07:02:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm using Ted
2020-11-12T07:02:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> What do you take notes in for school?
2020-11-12T07:02:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> No
2020-11-12T07:02:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> by that I mean I don't
2020-11-12T07:02:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough lol
2020-11-12T07:02:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> I still haven't found anything I like
2020-11-12T07:02:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the stuff they're teaching is so fucking basic
2020-11-12T07:02:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> I currently use plain texxt
2020-11-12T07:02:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> text*
2020-11-12T07:02:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> But it can get annoying in chemistry
2020-11-12T07:02:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly plaintext is the best for general purpose stuff
2020-11-12T07:02:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I imagine LaTeX would be better for scientific use
2020-11-12T07:03:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> I tried out groff and ghostscript
2020-11-12T07:03:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> groff is good for normie documents
2020-11-12T07:03:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> It worked pretty good but something about the workflow put me off
2020-11-12T07:03:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair
2020-11-12T07:03:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think all of the .EQ and .PP etc just were to annoying for me
2020-11-12T07:04:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can see why
2020-11-12T07:04:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have a terminal keyboard so I just bind the 22 extra Fn keys to macros, pffff
2020-11-12T07:04:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I would like if I could use the eq macros but write everything else just in plain text
2020-11-12T07:04:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Instead of having to do PP and such for normal text
2020-11-12T07:05:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2020-11-12T07:05:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm currently watching the original spiderman 1 movie lol
2020-11-12T07:05:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> is that the one where he delivers pizzas
2020-11-12T07:06:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think so
2020-11-12T07:06:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think that is the second one but I may be wrong
2020-11-12T07:06:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not too super far into it
2020-11-12T07:06:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never been huge into movies tbh
2020-11-12T07:06:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> And it's been forever since I have seen it
2020-11-12T07:06:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's fair
2020-11-12T07:06:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> the memes are pretty good though
2020-11-12T07:07:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=lpvT-Fciu-4
2020-11-12T07:07:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> I prefer books most of the time
2020-11-12T07:07:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> But I just like all forms of art
2020-11-12T07:07:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> god I haven't read an actual book in years
2020-11-12T07:07:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> and movies are something I can just turn on while doing things
2020-11-12T07:07:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> I read a really good short series on reddit recently
2020-11-12T07:07:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Wasn't a book but it was really good
2020-11-12T07:07:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> >plebbit
2020-11-12T07:07:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-11-12T07:07:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> I do a lot of online reading though
2020-11-12T07:08:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially if you count manuals
2020-11-12T07:08:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh god
2020-11-12T07:08:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> I enjoy reading the different scp stories
2020-11-12T07:08:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> That gives me an idea....
2020-11-12T07:08:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ooo, if you like SCPs you might like The Holders
2020-11-12T07:08:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like a proto-SCP
2020-11-12T07:08:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> I've been looking for a terminal application to work on and an scp reader would be cool with sixel image support
2020-11-12T07:08:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> and hmm
2020-11-12T07:08:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'll look it up here
2020-11-12T07:08:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> you totally should
2020-11-12T07:09:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want mid-00s internet collaborative writing there's nothing better
2020-11-12T07:09:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> This seems really cool
2020-11-12T07:10:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah dude
2020-11-12T07:10:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> my favorite one is uh
2020-11-12T07:10:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck, what was it
2020-11-12T07:10:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's been years
2020-11-12T07:10:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec
2020-11-12T07:11:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah there was even a brief meta-crossover between SCP and The Holders
2020-11-12T07:11:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's really cool lol
2020-11-12T07:11:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-11-12T07:11:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> I want to make an scp isometric game
2020-11-12T07:11:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> was a proverbial "passing of the torch"
2020-11-12T07:11:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> also what the fuck
2020-11-12T07:11:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> So many projects I want to do :<
2020-11-12T07:11:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> theholders.org is down
2020-11-12T07:11:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it dies I'm going to be furious
2020-11-12T07:11:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> Damn I just found it on fandom
2020-11-12T07:12:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> to the internet archive
2020-11-12T07:12:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> I didn't think of that
2020-11-12T07:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have it bound to a key
2020-11-12T07:12:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-11-12T07:12:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can search the IA immediately from anywheres on the web
2020-11-12T07:12:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> super convenient
2020-11-12T07:13:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://web.archive.org/web/20200115103636/http://theholders.org/
2020-11-12T07:13:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> god I love the design of this site
2020-11-12T07:13:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's cool. What browser do you use? I'm assuming something xlu based or whatever moonchild calls it
2020-11-12T07:13:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> UXP
2020-11-12T07:13:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> thank you
2020-11-12T07:13:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> I use Nuegia
2020-11-12T07:13:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's cool
2020-11-12T07:14:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a fork of Pale Moon stripped of all proprietary branding, and the forker aims to strip it down to be a more efficient browser than PM
2020-11-12T07:14:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> also all future code will be GPL'd instead of MPL'd
2020-11-12T07:14:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh man
2020-11-12T07:14:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm having flashbacks to when I was eight
2020-11-12T07:14:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have never liked moonchild
2020-11-12T07:14:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also thanks for the link this is really cool
2020-11-12T07:14:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> Moonchild is a bit stuffy, but Tobin is the real twat
2020-11-12T07:14:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I bookmarked it for later
2020-11-12T07:14:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, it is
2020-11-12T07:14:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used to spend hours reading these at school on the old Pentiums instead of doing work, haha
2020-11-12T07:15:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T07:15:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> That was me with scp's
2020-11-12T07:15:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://web.archive.org/web/20200919121804/http://theholders.org/?Holder_of_War
2020-11-12T07:15:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Now i read them less frequently but still do
2020-11-12T07:15:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is my favorite
2020-11-12T07:15:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'll read it super quick
2020-11-12T07:15:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it should only take a minute
2020-11-12T07:15:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2020-11-12T07:15:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> One of my fav scp stories is this one with a gorilla society
2020-11-12T07:16:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> Don't know the number off hand
2020-11-12T07:18:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't think I know that one
2020-11-12T07:19:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> That was a good story
2020-11-12T07:19:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> I won't lie though...
2020-11-12T07:19:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> I kind of hate using the IA
2020-11-12T07:19:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmm why?
2020-11-12T07:19:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it reminds me of how much better the web used to be
2020-11-12T07:20:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> scp-1000
2020-11-12T07:20:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> ah fair enough
2020-11-12T07:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you can never actually go back and interact with those sites
2020-11-12T07:20:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah :(
2020-11-12T07:20:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> or those people
2020-11-12T07:20:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're just a phantom observer
2020-11-12T07:20:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like walking through a ghost town
2020-11-12T07:20:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah
2020-11-12T07:21:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm hoping Gemini is able to take off and fill that void
2020-11-12T07:21:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T07:21:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> gemini is cool
2020-11-12T07:21:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know Dillo?
2020-11-12T07:21:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes I do
2020-11-12T07:21:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> they have a gemini plugin
2020-11-12T07:21:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2020-11-12T07:21:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is super awesome
2020-11-12T07:21:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> that's really cool
2020-11-12T07:22:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> With something like gemini though I would just use a terminal client
2020-11-12T07:22:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair
2020-11-12T07:22:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm waiting for SDF to start hosting a gemini server for their users
2020-11-12T07:22:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> ofc you have to wait for democracy to run its course
2020-11-12T07:22:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that's the price of not having to pay a fee every month
2020-11-12T07:22:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of which I'm going to go check their BBS, brb
2020-11-12T07:22:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> kk
2020-11-12T07:24:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> according to a dude on the general board, Trudeau is finally doing something decent for once (I'm Canadian)
2020-11-12T07:24:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm jealous
2020-11-12T07:24:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> I want to be canadian
2020-11-12T07:24:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol
2020-11-12T07:24:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not that great
2020-11-12T07:24:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> My gf lives near toronto
2020-11-12T07:24:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially with the mass immigration we've had for years straining an already struggling financial system
2020-11-12T07:25:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> education is kind of crap too
2020-11-12T07:25:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah your education system sucks
2020-11-12T07:25:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> No offense
2020-11-12T07:25:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-11-12T07:25:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least it's not american though!
2020-11-12T07:25:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> :(
2020-11-12T07:25:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-11-12T07:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2020-11-12T07:25:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> We have more choices
2020-11-12T07:25:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Not all is bad here
2020-11-12T07:25:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it's not that we don't have choice here
2020-11-12T07:25:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are plenty of choices
2020-11-12T07:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's that the dept of education mandates common core for public schools
2020-11-12T07:26:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you have everyone learning the same shit which is stupid
2020-11-12T07:26:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> a science geek shouldn't have to mandatorily learn history
2020-11-12T07:26:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't know about other provinces but in ontario online school is expensive, and home schooling your teachers have to have a degree. (Obvi in this case talking before college)
2020-11-12T07:26:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mmm
2020-11-12T07:26:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I live in NB
2020-11-12T07:27:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha
2020-11-12T07:27:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> here anyone can tutor you, but you have to take a test from a licensed proctor
2020-11-12T07:27:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> that gets you a "grade level"
2020-11-12T07:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can take the tests whenever as long as you have a prior grade, though, afaik
2020-11-12T07:27:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wish I could have done homeschooling
2020-11-12T07:27:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> I did public school up till 9th grade and then I did online for a year since then I've been doing homeschool though
2020-11-12T07:28:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've mostly been self-taught
2020-11-12T07:28:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> fair enough
2020-11-12T07:28:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> my parents are military so we moved constantly, and I've always been in and out of different schools
2020-11-12T07:28:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> When I was in public school I was in one of those stupid "gifted programs" for kids who were ahead of their class
2020-11-12T07:28:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> those are lame
2020-11-12T07:28:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> they stuck me in rubberhead classes
2020-11-12T07:28:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> That sucks
2020-11-12T07:28:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> ironic, because I skipped class to go to the library to read textbooks
2020-11-12T07:29:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T07:29:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I routinely got As and A+s on tests
2020-11-12T07:29:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but something like 40% of your mark is based on attendance
2020-11-12T07:29:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> I hate my state
2020-11-12T07:29:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I was technically failing by a long shot
2020-11-12T07:29:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Pre highschool they use a number system
2020-11-12T07:29:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> instead of the traditional letter system
2020-11-12T07:29:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was implemented here a few years ago
2020-11-12T07:30:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1 2 3 4 instead of percentages and letter marks
2020-11-12T07:30:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that's how it was in middle and elementary school. Although you guys don't have middle school do you?
2020-11-12T07:30:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh, yeah we
2020-11-12T07:30:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> do
2020-11-12T07:30:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> *
2020-11-12T07:30:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah
2020-11-12T07:30:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck I can't type
2020-11-12T07:30:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yet again possibly an ontario things in some parts or certain schools
2020-11-12T07:30:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> my gf didn't have a seperate middle school
2020-11-12T07:31:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah it generally goes preschool>kindergarten>elementary>middle/primary>high/secondary>college>uni
2020-11-12T07:31:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> (if you do secondary education)
2020-11-12T07:31:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> :P
2020-11-12T07:31:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-11-12T07:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wanted to go to uni but my marks weren't high enough
2020-11-12T07:31:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm stuck doing college
2020-11-12T07:32:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but hey, I have a state sponsorship
2020-11-12T07:32:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> As of right now I have no plans to do any secondary education
2020-11-12T07:32:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's nice
2020-11-12T07:32:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> you'd think so wouldn't you
2020-11-12T07:32:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's kind of a pain
2020-11-12T07:32:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Really? Why
2020-11-12T07:33:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> having eviction held over your head based on marks isn't great for your nerves
2020-11-12T07:33:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah fair enough
2020-11-12T07:33:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> If I were ever to do secondary education I would do a technical college
2020-11-12T07:33:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what I'm attending now
2020-11-12T07:33:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> word of advice
2020-11-12T07:33:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't
2020-11-12T07:33:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol why
2020-11-12T07:33:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> waste of time
2020-11-12T07:33:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> I didn't plan to anyways
2020-11-12T07:33:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> they just throw textbooks at you for certs
2020-11-12T07:33:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Like I said just if I were to
2020-11-12T07:34:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah ik
2020-11-12T07:34:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so hot take though
2020-11-12T07:34:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what class __should__ be mandatory?
2020-11-12T07:34:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> hmm?
2020-11-12T07:34:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> home economics
2020-11-12T07:34:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> I agree
2020-11-12T07:35:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and they should roll other stuff into it
2020-11-12T07:35:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> like health education, and first aid
2020-11-12T07:35:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine if everyone knew basic first aid how many lives could be saved
2020-11-12T07:35:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T07:35:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> or like, hell
2020-11-12T07:35:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> if everyone knew how to clean and cook properly
2020-11-12T07:35:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> I find it really unfortunate it isn't mandatory
2020-11-12T07:35:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's seen as a joke class
2020-11-12T07:35:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is sad
2020-11-12T07:35:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's probably one of the most useful subjects you can take
2020-11-12T07:36:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> woodshop is the other elective I took that year
2020-11-12T07:36:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> since it's also kind of useful
2020-11-12T07:36:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> fix and build furniture and whatnot
2020-11-12T07:36:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> I also took woodshop in public school
2020-11-12T07:36:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to build shelves soon, actually...
2020-11-12T07:36:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> later on I took the cybersecurity course my high school offered
2020-11-12T07:37:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was one of the first students to sign up. that's how I got the state sponsorship
2020-11-12T07:37:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> the programming course at my previous highschool was a joke
2020-11-12T07:37:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> Visual basic
2020-11-12T07:37:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> same
2020-11-12T07:37:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> we had VB and java
2020-11-12T07:37:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like
2020-11-12T07:37:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> not VB .NET
2020-11-12T07:37:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> OG VB
2020-11-12T07:37:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I think it was java 8
2020-11-12T07:37:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think ours was also og vb but I don't remember has been quite a few years now
2020-11-12T07:37:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just graduated a few months back, so the memory is fresh in my mind
2020-11-12T07:38:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wrote to the dept of edu about it
2020-11-12T07:38:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I graduate next year
2020-11-12T07:38:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nice
2020-11-12T07:38:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> I just turned 17 on the 7th
2020-11-12T07:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, happy birthday
2020-11-12T07:38:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> I turn nineteen on the nineteenth next month, haha
2020-11-12T07:38:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> thanks lol
2020-11-12T07:38:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Nice well early happy birthday
2020-11-12T07:38:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks
2020-11-12T07:39:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> now if only I had turned nineteen on the nineteenth of december in 2019
2020-11-12T07:39:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> golden birthday though eh
2020-11-12T07:39:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> something like that
2020-11-12T07:39:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not terribly excited
2020-11-12T07:39:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> is weed legal in your province?
2020-11-12T07:39:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> weed is legal federally
2020-11-12T07:39:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah
2020-11-12T07:39:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't do drugs
2020-11-12T07:39:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-11-12T07:39:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> I hate drugs
2020-11-12T07:39:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> the hardest stuff I use is like
2020-11-12T07:39:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ibuprofen
2020-11-12T07:39:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-11-12T07:40:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> but weed i dont have a problem with
2020-11-12T07:40:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> see for me it depends on the blend and why it's being used
2020-11-12T07:40:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> My bad has been in and out of jails for lots of drugs so i really despise drugs
2020-11-12T07:40:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> dad
2020-11-12T07:40:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> *
2020-11-12T07:40:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> s/bad/dad/g
2020-11-12T07:40:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't recall the exact formulas for them, but there's two main active chemicals in weed
2020-11-12T07:40:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not sure *shrug*
2020-11-12T07:41:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> one is primarily responsible for its hallucinogenic effects, the other for its calming effects
2020-11-12T07:41:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> most people who want "the good stuff" go for blends high in hallucinogens
2020-11-12T07:41:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm not exactly approving of that. but hey, it's not my life
2020-11-12T07:42:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> medicinal usage is totally fine though imo
2020-11-12T07:42:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> as long as they do it in a safe environment I have no problem with weed. It is far better imo then something like beer
2020-11-12T07:42:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> alcohol is pretty shit yeah
2020-11-12T07:42:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> And plus it can help certain people with anxiety and shit
2020-11-12T07:42:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's a medicinal blend, mhm
2020-11-12T07:43:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah okay so
2020-11-12T07:43:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> just remembered
2020-11-12T07:43:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> THC is the psychoactive component in weed
2020-11-12T07:43:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and CBD is the medicinal component
2020-11-12T07:43:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah you can actually by cbd oil in most places
2020-11-12T07:44:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah
2020-11-12T07:44:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> buy*
2020-11-12T07:44:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have a friend in Sweden who uses it because he has really bad paranoia
2020-11-12T07:45:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> but see, then you've got people who buy high THC strains and claim "it's okay, brah, it's like medicine 'n shiet"
2020-11-12T07:45:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> meanwhile THC is at least tangentially linked to psychosis, paranoia, and all the other negatives linked to weed
2020-11-12T07:45:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T07:46:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit I should probably do some more work on my KISS setup
2020-11-12T07:46:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to see if I can get all my regular programs to play nice with musl
2020-11-12T07:46:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol sorry for keeping you talking
2020-11-12T07:46:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah dude, it's totally fine
2020-11-12T07:47:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not going to bed for a while anyways
2020-11-12T07:47:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if it's...
2020-11-12T07:47:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Me neither
2020-11-12T07:47:05 #kisslinux * midfavila squints
2020-11-12T07:47:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> 4AM
2020-11-12T07:47:10 #kisslinux <muevoid> I plan on staying up all night lol
2020-11-12T07:47:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> its almost 2AM here
2020-11-12T07:47:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll probably stay awake for a few more hours and then cut class to sleep
2020-11-12T07:47:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're still on the OSI model
2020-11-12T07:47:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> been dealing with it for five days
2020-11-12T07:47:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> such a fucking waste of time
2020-11-12T07:48:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> damn
2020-11-12T07:48:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> they took two weeks to teach MS Word
2020-11-12T07:48:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Holy shit
2020-11-12T07:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it wasn't even like
2020-11-12T07:48:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> advanced macros and keyboard shortcuts
2020-11-12T07:48:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> which you know, would be actually kind of useful
2020-11-12T07:49:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> how can it take that long to learn something like word
2020-11-12T07:49:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's "in depth"
2020-11-12T07:49:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> I mean im sure theres tons of features and you could always learn more
2020-11-12T07:49:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> shshshshsh
2020-11-12T07:49:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> but do you really need all of that?
2020-11-12T07:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> just give them monies
2020-11-12T07:49:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-11-12T07:50:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> out of the two year program less than a hundred hours is dedicated to *nix
2020-11-12T07:50:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> which for a systems administration course is like
2020-11-12T07:50:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> wat
2020-11-12T07:50:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> How
2020-11-12T07:50:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> "everyone uses Windows now, Anon"
2020-11-12T07:50:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't understand that lol
2020-11-12T07:50:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't understand that
2020-11-12T07:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I would understand touching on windows configuration basics
2020-11-12T07:50:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> Even microsoft azure
2020-11-12T07:51:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> uses linux
2020-11-12T07:51:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> does it not?
2020-11-12T07:51:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes and no
2020-11-12T07:51:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> linux is the most commonly hosted system on azure
2020-11-12T07:51:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's nothing stopping you from hosting winshit
2020-11-12T07:51:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha
2020-11-12T07:51:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, I would get teaching basic configuration stuff
2020-11-12T07:51:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not super familiar with azure
2020-11-12T07:51:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I would understand that to
2020-11-12T07:51:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> too
2020-11-12T07:51:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> *
2020-11-12T07:51:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> but almost two years is ridiculous
2020-11-12T07:51:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> I can't type right
2020-11-12T07:51:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that is
2020-11-12T07:52:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I should have taken the four years of sponsored independent study
2020-11-12T07:52:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> but they wanted a decision then and there
2020-11-12T07:52:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you know how they are doing *nix stuff. Like wsl? or a vm or bare metal
2020-11-12T07:52:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I was like "fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck uuuuuuuuuuuuh college"
2020-11-12T07:52:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no idea yet
2020-11-12T07:52:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's probably VMs
2020-11-12T07:52:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-11-12T07:52:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm betting it's going to be Ubuntu
2020-11-12T07:52:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and focused entirely on graphical configuration
2020-11-12T07:52:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah probably
2020-11-12T07:52:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it is I'm going to just talk to the instructor and be like "okay so look"
2020-11-12T07:53:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> "I could teach your class. Let me leave."
2020-11-12T07:53:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T07:53:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2020-11-12T07:53:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> real talk
2020-11-12T07:53:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> who the fuck uses Ubuntu on an enterprise prod server
2020-11-12T07:53:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never ever heard of that
2020-11-12T07:54:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have no f**cking clue
2020-11-12T07:54:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've heard of Debian, I've heard of Slackware, I've heard of RHEL and CentOS (ofc), but never Ubuntu
2020-11-12T07:54:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> Isn't like rehl the most commonly used one
2020-11-12T07:54:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm not sure what is
2020-11-12T07:54:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, followed by CentOS
2020-11-12T07:54:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and basically
2020-11-12T07:54:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> RHEL is just Fedora but you get commerical support from IBM
2020-11-12T07:55:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> some companies also use bsd*
2020-11-12T07:55:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> commercial*
2020-11-12T07:55:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-11-12T07:55:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah thought so
2020-11-12T07:55:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> doesn't netflix use freebsd?
2020-11-12T07:55:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, and RHEL also integrates proprietary patches and backports stuff to their kernels
2020-11-12T07:55:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yes
2020-11-12T07:55:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> netflix does
2020-11-12T07:55:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha
2020-11-12T07:55:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> in the same chat as the Rust simp op there was a total RHEL suit
2020-11-12T07:55:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> dude was fucking obsessed with "oh boy I can't wait to suck the cock of anyone who pays me to administer RHEL"
2020-11-12T07:56:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> "soystemd is the best thing that ever happened to linux"
2020-11-12T07:56:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really don't like the landscape of most modern linux distros
2020-11-12T07:56:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> same
2020-11-12T07:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> It Just Werks:tm: only works until it doesn't
2020-11-12T07:56:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and most distros seem keen on keeping it that way
2020-11-12T07:57:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes because something that has millions of lines of code and scope creeps is something that should be relied on
2020-11-12T07:57:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean-
2020-11-12T07:57:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ik the kernel does
2020-11-12T07:57:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> *coughs* GCC
2020-11-12T07:57:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah lol
2020-11-12T07:57:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, shit
2020-11-12T07:57:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking X11
2020-11-12T07:57:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> I wish everything would compile with tcc or some shit
2020-11-12T07:57:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's too much choice
2020-11-12T07:57:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> and plus server wise x11 isn't needed or gcc
2020-11-12T07:57:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> back in the cage
2020-11-12T07:58:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> but point still stands
2020-11-12T07:58:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh, and I knew a guy who professionally administrated Gentoo servers
2020-11-12T07:58:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> in an enterprise environment
2020-11-12T07:58:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> And plus I take the view minimize where possible
2020-11-12T07:58:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> The beep
2020-11-12T07:58:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-11-12T07:59:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really want to start self hosting most things
2020-11-12T07:59:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> Same
2020-11-12T07:59:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> But I just haven't gotten around to it
2020-11-12T08:00:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have a server and domain just haven't done anything with it yet
2020-11-12T08:00:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mostly shunt stuff onto SDF because it's __basically__ self-hosting and you don't have to pay for it beyond a membership cost
2020-11-12T08:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as a member you can get them to negotiate for domain names at no extra fee, and stuff
2020-11-12T08:00:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's cool
2020-11-12T08:00:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh and they do global VOIP for like 25$ a quarter or something crazy cheap
2020-11-12T08:01:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's cool
2020-11-12T08:01:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you can call anyone, on any device, from your PC
2020-11-12T08:01:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> without usinng special software on the receiving end
2020-11-12T08:01:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> That is actually really cool
2020-11-12T08:01:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> they still offer dialup and DSL access for members too
2020-11-12T08:01:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and plain dialin shell access
2020-11-12T08:01:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> I actually dialed in using a payphone once just for shits and giggles
2020-11-12T08:01:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> lmao
2020-11-12T08:02:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> now if only I could have phreaked it, it would have completed the experience
2020-11-12T08:02:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T08:02:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> Phone phreaking is cool
2020-11-12T08:02:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> But no longer is possible lmao
2020-11-12T08:02:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes and no
2020-11-12T08:02:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Obvi illegal but is cool to learn about
2020-11-12T08:02:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> really?
2020-11-12T08:03:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't pull off $COLOR-boxing any more
2020-11-12T08:03:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah ik that for sure
2020-11-12T08:03:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> but demon dialing and other more rudimentary techniques are totally doable
2020-11-12T08:03:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> Gotcha
2020-11-12T08:03:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and there's been some research into manipulating 3G networks
2020-11-12T08:03:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Huh
2020-11-12T08:04:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly though I wish I could have been around during the 70s and 80s
2020-11-12T08:04:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially with one of those sweet S-100 machines
2020-11-12T08:04:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> I wish I had been a teen in the 8bit era
2020-11-12T08:04:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew
2020-11-12T08:04:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> or 16bit era
2020-11-12T08:04:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> 8bit home micros are meh imho
2020-11-12T08:04:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> more like toys than real machines
2020-11-12T08:04:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> A commodore64 would be super cool to mess with
2020-11-12T08:04:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> or a pet
2020-11-12T08:04:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah dude
2020-11-12T08:05:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me show you what Real Programmers:tm: use
2020-11-12T08:05:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T08:05:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> We recently had an arcade open up near our house it is super cool
2020-11-12T08:05:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/IMSAI_8080-IMG_1477.jpg
2020-11-12T08:05:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> pure sex
2020-11-12T08:05:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> It has a ton of retro arcade machines and you can get access all day for 12$
2020-11-12T08:05:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nice
2020-11-12T08:05:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T08:06:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> The only arcade in my city is one of those rinky dink movie theatre ones
2020-11-12T08:06:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but they have DDR with the Evangelion theme song so it's okay I guess
2020-11-12T08:06:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah
2020-11-12T08:06:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> real programmers manually use a pin head to write bites to a disk
2020-11-12T08:06:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> IMSAI 8080
2020-11-12T08:06:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is that a card machine?
2020-11-12T08:06:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> you have to flip the switches to manually toggle in machine code
2020-11-12T08:06:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> pffft no
2020-11-12T08:06:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ah
2020-11-12T08:06:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-11-12T08:06:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> card readers were extra
2020-11-12T08:06:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> you silly billy
2020-11-12T08:06:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T08:06:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't know much about super early computers :P
2020-11-12T08:06:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, here's a tidbit you'll find interesting then
2020-11-12T08:07:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know they were still used for certain things even in later years though
2020-11-12T08:07:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> writing software for computers like the IMSAI is how Microsoft got their start
2020-11-12T08:07:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hmmm
2020-11-12T08:07:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> that's interesting
2020-11-12T08:07:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> their very first product was Altair BASIC
2020-11-12T08:07:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> and even in the beginning they were outright hostile to hobbyists
2020-11-12T08:07:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> What's your favorite retro computer?
2020-11-12T08:07:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> the IMSAI 8080
2020-11-12T08:07:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2020-11-12T08:07:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough lol
2020-11-12T08:07:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I may or may not have wormed my way into one of their FTP servers
2020-11-12T08:08:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> If I had to pick one pc to live with forever I would probably choose either an amiga or any libreboot laptop that can
2020-11-12T08:08:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> run linux
2020-11-12T08:08:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh dude
2020-11-12T08:08:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah
2020-11-12T08:08:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> hold on a sec
2020-11-12T08:08:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're about to have a nerdgasm so you might want to sit down
2020-11-12T08:08:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> Are you on a desktop?
2020-11-12T08:08:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao im in a hammock
2020-11-12T08:08:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah.
2020-11-12T08:08:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hit me
2020-11-12T08:08:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2020-05-08-the-much-more-personal-computer.html
2020-11-12T08:08:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> boom
2020-11-12T08:09:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> open hardware laptop
2020-11-12T08:09:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> completely modular
2020-11-12T08:09:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> runs binary blob free
2020-11-12T08:09:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's fucking sick
2020-11-12T08:09:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> Can you order it rn?
2020-11-12T08:09:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> yuup
2020-11-12T08:09:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> they ship next monnth
2020-11-12T08:09:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> month*
2020-11-12T08:09:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking hell
2020-11-12T08:09:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're pretty expensive though
2020-11-12T08:09:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also what architecture arm im assuming. Risc V would be awesome but I doubt it
2020-11-12T08:09:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> ARM right now
2020-11-12T08:09:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but RISC-V is in the talking phase
2020-11-12T08:10:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're waiting for a decently powerful SoC to come out that they can use to make the next CPU board
2020-11-12T08:10:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> also they're considering an ePaper display
2020-11-12T08:10:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is hhhhh
2020-11-12T08:10:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T08:10:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> And eh
2020-11-12T08:10:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> That would put me off
2020-11-12T08:11:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, you also do graphical work :P
2020-11-12T08:11:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> It would be a cool option
2020-11-12T08:11:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah :P
2020-11-12T08:11:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I said earlier, I work exclusively in a TTY on a laptop
2020-11-12T08:11:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah fair enough
2020-11-12T08:11:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> when I get mine I'm going to rip the pointing device out and replace it with a USB hub or something
2020-11-12T08:12:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, and webcam/mic are also optional
2020-11-12T08:12:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can remove or upgrade those individually
2020-11-12T08:12:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's awesome I never use either lol
2020-11-12T08:12:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-11-12T08:12:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> Right now I am on a darter pro 6 from system76
2020-11-12T08:12:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Expensive as crap
2020-11-12T08:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeesh
2020-11-12T08:12:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> and tbh overkill for me
2020-11-12T08:12:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't have a laptop right now
2020-11-12T08:13:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> just my desktop
2020-11-12T08:13:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> I should've bought an old thinkpad with libreboot
2020-11-12T08:13:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly yeah
2020-11-12T08:13:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> T400 gang
2020-11-12T08:13:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> lol
2020-11-12T08:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> my new workstation is going to be ridiculous though
2020-11-12T08:13:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> I also have considered getting a pinebook
2020-11-12T08:13:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> What are the specs of your current pc?
2020-11-12T08:14:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> my current PC runs a core i5 4460, 12GB of DDR3@1600, and an RX570
2020-11-12T08:14:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Nice
2020-11-12T08:14:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> on some generic GIGABYTE board
2020-11-12T08:14:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> good job no nvidia
2020-11-12T08:14:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> my new machine is just silly though
2020-11-12T08:14:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Mind to share?
2020-11-12T08:15:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> dual Xeon E6 2670v3 CPUs (total of 24c48t), sixty four gigs of DDR4 ECC RAM (I think it's 2600mhz, can't recall rn), RX570 GPU, and an Asus Xonar STX sound card
2020-11-12T08:15:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> running on an Intel S2600CW2R
2020-11-12T08:15:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> Holy crap! Do you even need that?
2020-11-12T08:15:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2020-11-12T08:15:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T08:15:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I want it
2020-11-12T08:15:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I thirst for it
2020-11-12T08:15:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Fair enough
2020-11-12T08:15:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> I also have four monitors
2020-11-12T08:15:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> which I also don't need
2020-11-12T08:15:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I also want
2020-11-12T08:16:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> I used to do multiple monitors but I find now that all I need is one
2020-11-12T08:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> quad LaCie 321
2020-11-12T08:16:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've invested... way too much money into my setup
2020-11-12T08:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-11-12T08:16:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> like an entire summer job's worth
2020-11-12T08:16:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> It annoyed me far too much to look over at other monitors and move windows to other ones
2020-11-12T08:16:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Holy crap
2020-11-12T08:16:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> I mean if thats what you enjoy though I cant blame you
2020-11-12T08:17:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> computing is my major hobby
2020-11-12T08:17:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I like just dicking around with hardware
2020-11-12T08:17:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is why I got this new mobo
2020-11-12T08:17:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> 96 PCIe lanes with native PCIe bifurcation
2020-11-12T08:17:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> I got sick of working on pcs cause I built one then everyone wanted me to fix their p
2020-11-12T08:17:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> eat your heart out, threadripper
2020-11-12T08:17:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> cs or build new ones
2020-11-12T08:17:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> holy shit
2020-11-12T08:17:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2020-11-12T08:17:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> in theory I could stick 96 GPUs in this bad boy
2020-11-12T08:18:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that would just be silly
2020-11-12T08:18:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> (not that it isn't already silly)
2020-11-12T08:18:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> only 96! I use a super computer that has thousands!
2020-11-12T08:18:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> s
2020-11-12T08:18:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> tfw super computers probably don't even have PCIe lanes
2020-11-12T08:18:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Probably not
2020-11-12T08:18:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> It was for the comedy or my terrible attempt at comedy
2020-11-12T08:19:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah the reason I got the board with PCIe bifurcation is so it could afford to not have integrated IO
2020-11-12T08:19:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> fair enough
2020-11-12T08:19:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> it has a grand total of four USB ports and two Ethernet
2020-11-12T08:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's it
2020-11-12T08:19:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but because it has a hilarious amount of expansion lanes I can act like it's 1980 and just slap expansion cards in to my heart's content
2020-11-12T08:20:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I had a few thousand dollars burning a hole in my pocket I'd pick up some SAS drives
2020-11-12T08:20:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I wish pcs were still like that :P
2020-11-12T08:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why I like S-100 machines
2020-11-12T08:20:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> you could have an eight-core machine in the 70s
2020-11-12T08:20:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> or more if you wanted to
2020-11-12T08:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> just put more CPU boards in
2020-11-12T08:20:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> hell, you could have multiple architectures if you wanted to
2020-11-12T08:20:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> the system didn't give a shit
2020-11-12T08:21:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T08:21:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've almost got all the parts I need for the new build
2020-11-12T08:21:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> just waiting on the coolers, and I've got to order the PSU
2020-11-12T08:22:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's always the best feeling
2020-11-12T08:22:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> eventually I'd like to get a custom chassis machined
2020-11-12T08:22:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> (ofc in the style of the IMSAI 8080
2020-11-12T08:22:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> )
2020-11-12T08:22:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> You want to see some real jank shit I did
2020-11-12T08:22:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure
2020-11-12T08:22:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> This was forever ago when I was tight on money
2020-11-12T08:23:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> I'm getting there
2020-11-12T08:23:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> no rush
2020-11-12T08:23:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/8i2i29/welp_just_got_thi
2020-11-12T08:24:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> or direct image address https://preview.redd.it/dxopoeufqqw01.jpg?widt
2020-11-12T08:24:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> mfw 403
2020-11-12T08:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's super jank
2020-11-12T08:24:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yep
2020-11-12T08:24:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> I thought it was cardboard
2020-11-12T08:24:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> It is cardboard :P
2020-11-12T08:24:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh, I'm stupid
2020-11-12T08:24:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> The title is misleading
2020-11-12T08:24:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> Nah
2020-11-12T08:25:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> But it worked when I didn't have money for a 10$ case
2020-11-12T08:25:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> lmao
2020-11-12T08:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want to make one out of machined steel
2020-11-12T08:25:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> with a nice coat of that textured paint
2020-11-12T08:25:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah that would be sick
2020-11-12T08:25:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know, like, the gravelly-feeling stuff?
2020-11-12T08:25:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> that kind of paint
2020-11-12T08:25:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T08:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> hold on one sec
2020-11-12T08:26:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> Somehow that pc is still alive
2020-11-12T08:26:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> I sold it to someone
2020-11-12T08:26:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I also when that pic was taken went through a phase of
2020-11-12T08:26:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> booting off of an external harddrive always
2020-11-12T08:27:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> Before I used linux so it was even worse cause win2go
2020-11-12T08:28:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Also just finished the movie no that is not the pizza o
2020-11-12T08:28:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> ne
2020-11-12T08:28:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> kirc is being strange rn my messages are getting cut
2020-11-12T08:28:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> off
2020-11-12T08:28:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird
2020-11-12T08:28:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> is there a character limit mcpcpc[m]
2020-11-12T08:28:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> ?
2020-11-12T08:29:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://retrothing.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/07/imsaiinsidepcrop.jpg
2020-11-12T08:29:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> check it oooooooooooout
2020-11-12T08:29:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> S-100 and ATX in the same chassis
2020-11-12T08:30:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's cool
2020-11-12T08:30:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> I ended up snagging some old internal documentation about it when they were self-hosting
2020-11-12T08:30:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I was a tard and ended up losing it all in a disk wipe
2020-11-12T08:30:29 #kisslinux <muevoid> That's unfortunate
2020-11-12T08:30:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-11-12T08:30:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> I emailed them asking if they could look into opening up production or something again
2020-11-12T08:30:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> also btw if you need help trying to get anythi
2020-11-12T08:30:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> ng to compile on musl just lmk
2020-11-12T08:31:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> Sure, thanks.
2020-11-12T08:31:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> minus anything with xorg or bash deps
2020-11-12T08:31:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, imagine if they started producing chassis like that but with open schematics
2020-11-12T08:31:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> because I don't have either :P
2020-11-12T08:31:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> that would be really cool
2020-11-12T08:31:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think it would make a lot of sense
2020-11-12T08:31:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, IMSAI started by targetting hobbyists
2020-11-12T08:31:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> how poetic would it be for them to make a comeback by doing the same thing?
2020-11-12T08:31:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T08:31:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> and they'd definitely stand out too
2020-11-12T08:32:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah it would be cool
2020-11-12T08:32:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> Do you like listening to people give
2020-11-12T08:32:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> speeches?
2020-11-12T08:32:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> depends on what the speech is about
2020-11-12T08:32:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, I could listen to RMS talk for hours
2020-11-12T08:33:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah this one is about 8bit pixel art
2020-11-12T08:33:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh. Maybe
2020-11-12T08:33:20 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's really interesting goes over
2020-11-12T08:33:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> like color cycling
2020-11-12T08:33:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I liked Ahoy's videos on computer graphics
2020-11-12T08:33:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> and pixel art on amiga and commodo
2020-11-12T08:33:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> re
2020-11-12T08:33:38 #kisslinux <RIPPLE> :q
2020-11-12T08:33:38 #kisslinux <RIPPLE> q
2020-11-12T08:33:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes I do
2020-11-12T08:33:46 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have seen them
2020-11-12T08:33:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> They are very interesting
2020-11-12T08:34:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> His content is incredibly well made
2020-11-12T08:34:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> A brief history of graphics
2020-11-12T08:34:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Imma re watch that now lol
2020-11-12T08:34:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> I especially liked his Nuclear Fruit series
2020-11-12T08:34:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> Ill def check it out
2020-11-12T08:34:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> you should
2020-11-12T08:34:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> it covers how the cold war influenced computing and gaming development
2020-11-12T08:34:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> also if you do ever want
2020-11-12T08:34:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> to see that speach just
2020-11-12T08:34:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> search
2020-11-12T08:34:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> 8 bit and 8 bitish
2020-11-12T08:34:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> graphics
2020-11-12T08:35:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> holy crap this is
2020-11-12T08:35:05 #kisslinux <muevoid> annoying im rejoinin
2020-11-12T08:35:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> kk
2020-11-12T08:35:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> mcpcpc[m] it actually keeps decreasing the longer i type for.
2020-11-12T08:35:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird
2020-11-12T08:36:02 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah it's very weird
2020-11-12T08:36:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> anyways since I can type now here is the link if you ever want to listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcJ1Jvtef0
2020-11-12T08:36:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> ooo retroahoy seems cool
2020-11-12T08:37:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ahoy is amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing
2020-11-12T08:37:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> his amiga video is great too
2020-11-12T08:37:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> One of his videos clickbaited me
2020-11-12T08:37:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> just... all of it is
2020-11-12T08:37:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> not technically but I was expecting something else
2020-11-12T08:37:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> a brief history of piracy
2020-11-12T08:37:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah :P
2020-11-12T08:37:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's about actual pirate games lmao
2020-11-12T08:37:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> mhm
2020-11-12T08:37:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> It was funny as crap but I was expecting copy protection stuff
2020-11-12T08:37:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone was
2020-11-12T08:37:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> but mvg has some good videos on that stuff
2020-11-12T08:38:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> man that reminds me
2020-11-12T08:38:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> I should get back to fiddling with debuggers
2020-11-12T08:38:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> playing reversemes is fun
2020-11-12T08:38:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-11-12T08:39:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really need to work on vinox soon
2020-11-12T08:40:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> I've been putting off adding some things like text and different shapes cause im lazy lmao
2020-11-12T08:40:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> Vinox?
2020-11-12T08:40:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> My gles2 library mainly for gamedev
2020-11-12T08:40:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> Aaah
2020-11-12T08:40:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> I had used raylib before but it needed a patch for no libX11 wayland so I just thought ill make my own lmao
2020-11-12T08:41:00 #kisslinux <muevoid> so I did
2020-11-12T08:41:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair
2020-11-12T08:41:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> raylib is really cool though
2020-11-12T08:41:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's super fun to just mess around with even if you don't do gamedev
2020-11-12T08:41:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> I made a little raycaster in it
2020-11-12T08:43:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> I mainly followed a tutorial but was still fun
2020-11-12T08:43:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod*
2020-11-12T08:44:37 #kisslinux <muevoid> https://0x0.st/ingJ.png
2020-11-12T08:44:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly the big thing that stops me from learning programming is that it seems like the only two ways to do so is either a) watch dozens of boring theoretical videos or b) fuck around with an interpreter until you figure shit out
2020-11-12T08:45:04 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T08:45:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> For me the easiest way for me to start learning is just do
2020-11-12T08:45:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> Same
2020-11-12T08:45:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's how I started learning python
2020-11-12T08:45:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> I think my first thing I programmed were minecraft mods
2020-11-12T08:45:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> of course :P
2020-11-12T08:45:58 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah lol
2020-11-12T08:46:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> then c# unity
2020-11-12T08:46:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> back in my day I programmed roblox mods
2020-11-12T08:46:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> and then c++ for unreal
2020-11-12T08:46:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> and now c
2020-11-12T08:46:17 #kisslinux <muevoid> I never did that
2020-11-12T08:46:21 #kisslinux <muevoid> It uses lua right?
2020-11-12T08:46:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-11-12T08:46:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was also five at the time so
2020-11-12T08:46:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't judge me
2020-11-12T08:46:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao im not
2020-11-12T08:46:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't remember when I played roblox as a kid
2020-11-12T08:46:55 #kisslinux <muevoid> I was quite young though
2020-11-12T08:47:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> later on I messed around with custom items in starbound
2020-11-12T08:47:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> which also uses lua
2020-11-12T08:47:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> no surprises there
2020-11-12T08:47:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> Starbound is really cool but never have played it
2020-11-12T08:47:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly don't bother
2020-11-12T08:47:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really should though considering terraria is one of my fav games
2020-11-12T08:47:25 #kisslinux <muevoid> Really?
2020-11-12T08:47:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> I bought it day one early access and it's been downhill
2020-11-12T08:47:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Damn
2020-11-12T08:47:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> You ever play terraria?
2020-11-12T08:47:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have over six hundred hours in it
2020-11-12T08:47:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T08:47:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah I have lots of hours
2020-11-12T08:47:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> I had 200 something before I bought it on gog
2020-11-12T08:48:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I started with 1.2.6
2020-11-12T08:48:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> and that also takes time away from console editions
2020-11-12T08:48:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> so i have no clue lol
2020-11-12T08:48:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> *nod*
2020-11-12T08:48:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> I love terraria though
2020-11-12T08:48:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> I had a few hundred hours on my PS3
2020-11-12T08:48:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, I do too
2020-11-12T08:48:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> By far one of my favorite games ever
2020-11-12T08:48:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's kind of boring without mods now
2020-11-12T08:48:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and since it's 32-bit the amount of mods you can load is pretty limited
2020-11-12T08:48:44 #kisslinux <muevoid> when 1.4 came out I did a master mode summoner play through
2020-11-12T08:48:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah
2020-11-12T08:48:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...wait, 1.4 is out?
2020-11-12T08:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck?
2020-11-12T08:48:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes
2020-11-12T08:48:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T08:48:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> when did this happen?
2020-11-12T08:48:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> It is amazing
2020-11-12T08:49:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> May i believe
2020-11-12T08:49:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> have they added official mod support yet?
2020-11-12T08:49:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't remember exactly
2020-11-12T08:49:13 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kind of not really
2020-11-12T08:49:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> but tmodloader is officially supported now
2020-11-12T08:49:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> based
2020-11-12T08:49:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> you can get it on steam so it is more accessible
2020-11-12T08:49:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> now to wait for them to make the game 64-bit
2020-11-12T08:49:42 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah even 1.4.1 is out lol
2020-11-12T08:49:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> Supposedly the last update though
2020-11-12T08:49:56 #kisslinux <muevoid> minus bug fixes
2020-11-12T08:50:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wonder what Re-logic will do after Terraria since Otherworld is dead
2020-11-12T08:50:09 #kisslinux <muevoid> I really want to get it working in flatpak so I can play on mue linux
2020-11-12T08:50:16 #kisslinux <muevoid> but mouse doesn't work
2020-11-12T08:50:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> I gave up cause I couldn
2020-11-12T08:50:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> 't figure it out
2020-11-12T08:50:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's starting again
2020-11-12T08:50:40 #kisslinux <muevoid> what is?
2020-11-12T08:50:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> message cutting
2020-11-12T08:50:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> unless you mistyped there
2020-11-12T08:50:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> No lol that was because I mistyped lmao
2020-11-12T08:50:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh rip
2020-11-12T08:51:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> my finger slipped onto return
2020-11-12T08:51:33 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yeah im not sure what they will do
2020-11-12T08:52:30 #kisslinux <muevoid> Tbh the one reason I think about going back to xorg is cause of terraria lmao
2020-11-12T08:52:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> dew it
2020-11-12T08:52:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> install FVWM too while you're at it
2020-11-12T08:52:53 #kisslinux <muevoid> lmao
2020-11-12T08:53:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> wayland feels so nice though :<
2020-11-12T08:53:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but consider the following
2020-11-12T08:53:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> terraria
2020-11-12T08:53:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao ik
2020-11-12T08:53:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2020-11-12T08:54:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> But then I'd also have to switch back to gcc i believe
2020-11-12T08:54:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> obligatory >running proprietary software
2020-11-12T08:54:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no
2020-11-12T08:54:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> you don't
2020-11-12T08:54:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> just run an arch chroot with a bare minimum setup to get steam running
2020-11-12T08:54:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> or some shit
2020-11-12T08:54:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> Back on normal kiss since it uses sdl2 and shit it works fine with gcompat
2020-11-12T08:54:45 #kisslinux <muevoid> but only if you have gcc I believe
2020-11-12T08:54:52 #kisslinux <muevoid> cause it links to libgcc
2020-11-12T08:55:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> but yeah a chroot could work
2020-11-12T08:55:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't know how sharing a screen though works in wayland
2020-11-12T08:55:49 #kisslinux <muevoid> I know no vnc and shit
2020-11-12T08:55:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> *shrug*
2020-11-12T08:56:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> also obligatory uses steam instead of gog :P
2020-11-12T08:56:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> also if I were to ever do xorg I would use xwayland
2020-11-12T08:57:07 #kisslinux <muevoid> Far too invested at this point to fully switch back
2020-11-12T08:58:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Where do you even get an arch tarball?
2020-11-12T08:58:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> make one I'd imagine
2020-11-12T08:58:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk
2020-11-12T08:59:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> *shrug*
2020-11-12T08:59:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't futz around with chroots
2020-11-12T08:59:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> yeah
2020-11-12T08:59:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> you could also try using bedrock linux
2020-11-12T08:59:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> aka "leviathan horror: the distro"
2020-11-12T08:59:28 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't think thatd work since musl
2020-11-12T08:59:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> it works
2020-11-12T08:59:39 #kisslinux <muevoid> How the beep
2020-11-12T08:59:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't know __how__
2020-11-12T08:59:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it does
2020-11-12T08:59:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lmao
2020-11-12T08:59:59 #kisslinux <muevoid> bedrock is interesting...
2020-11-12T09:00:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> never tried it though although i was tempted back when I was on gentoo musl
2020-11-12T09:01:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> I am craving to playthrough terraria now lmao thanks
2020-11-12T09:01:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're welcome
2020-11-12T09:02:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> I wonder if why the mouse wasn't working before was due to libudev-zero instead of eudev
2020-11-12T09:02:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> Maybe
2020-11-12T09:03:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> I have literally no idea why it happened since the keyboard worked :<
2020-11-12T09:07:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> I am trying again lol
2020-11-12T09:08:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> Maybe if I were to use alpine linux to build the flatpak instead
2020-11-12T09:11:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> I will be back in a few going to test a push that the owner of flatpak-gog made
2020-11-12T09:13:06 #kisslinux <smoke_> anyone good with kali
2020-11-12T09:13:08 #kisslinux <smoke_> or slackware
2020-11-12T09:13:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm pretty okay with slackware. Why?
2020-11-12T09:13:42 #kisslinux <smoke_> i was considering just abandoing slackware
2020-11-12T09:13:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...for kali???
2020-11-12T09:13:56 #kisslinux <smoke_> i was going to install it on my harddrive or sd card
2020-11-12T09:14:07 #kisslinux <smoke_> yeah but so far i cant even get wifi to work on kali in vm
2020-11-12T09:14:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...
2020-11-12T09:14:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're the kind of person who thinks installing kali to a hard drive is a good idea, you shouldn't use kali
2020-11-12T09:14:36 #kisslinux <smoke_> is slackware still good you think i dont remember if their was an issue with the internet i dont think thekr was
2020-11-12T09:14:53 #kisslinux <smoke_> well its cool to have it live
2020-11-12T09:15:00 #kisslinux <smoke_> or vm but i cant even get the wifi to work
2020-11-12T09:15:05 #kisslinux <smoke_> have any suggestions
2020-11-12T09:15:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> use a card with a different chipset
2020-11-12T09:15:26 #kisslinux <smoke_> i got it running on vmplayer 16 is that why maybe should i use virtual box
2020-11-12T09:38:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> No luck :(
2020-11-12T09:39:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Rip
2020-11-12T09:39:48 #kisslinux <muevoid> Still launches and looks fine but no flipping mouse
2020-11-12T10:01:19 #kisslinux <muevoid> Well I did digging
2020-11-12T10:01:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Perhaps it is maybe since they don't build sdl2 with --enable-libudev in the flatpak runtime
2020-11-12T14:15:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> @freenode_muevoid:matrix.org: ah. sorry. just getting caught up on messages.  messages are limited to 512 chars. this is the IRC limit
2020-11-12T14:30:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Ok I've got musl-cross-make installed but i think i'm not understanding something... If I'm on a 64-bit machine and I compile something using a 32-bit cross-compiler... that binary still can't run on a 64-bit machine
2020-11-12T14:34:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok i just had to point the binary to the right libc.so
2020-11-12T14:35:07 #kisslinux <soliwilos> mcpcpc[m]: It would be nice if one could optionally start kirc with either different connection timeout settings or a auto-reconnect setting, as preventative measures for kirc quitting with connection issues. Thoughts on that? :)
2020-11-12T14:42:22 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> soliwilos: auto-reconnect would be straightforward to implement.  it’s one of those things that i have been meaning to add lol.
2020-11-12T14:43:03 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> would have to think about the timeout setting though.
2020-11-12T14:44:44 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Great, thank you. :)
2020-11-12T14:46:13 #kisslinux <soliwilos> kirc has improved a lot from when I started trying it out.
2020-11-12T14:58:09 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> soliwilos: actually, i may end up rewriting a good portion of kirc in the near future.  learned quite a bit from developing xwm.
2020-11-12T15:00:13 #kisslinux <soliwilos> mcpcpc[m]: Interesting, looking forward to seeing what comes of further improvements. :)
2020-11-12T16:41:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila I got golem 0.0.5 working, took some massaging of the code prior to building to do so, I haven't ever done patching before so I'll look into that to build a kiss package
2020-11-12T16:58:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/in6F.png
2020-11-12T17:00:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> whoops https://0x0.st/in6f.png
2020-11-12T17:03:34 #kisslinux <midfavila_> >netscape navigator
2020-11-12T17:03:36 #kisslinux <midfavila_> based
2020-11-12T17:03:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> just the icon it uses lol
2020-11-12T17:03:59 #kisslinux <midfavila_> Still :P
2020-11-12T17:04:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it has to-thumbnail support built in (although not a screenshot like you can get FVWM to do)
2020-11-12T17:04:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> doesn't seem to handle my mod keys very well though
2020-11-12T17:04:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> like default is Mod4Mask-q opens a terminal... it doesn't seem to see that keypress even though xev shows it fine
2020-11-12T17:19:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok that works now somehow /shrug
2020-11-12T17:28:51 #kisslinux <micr0> I wonder if kiss u should mention installed packages that were removed
2020-11-12T17:29:27 #kisslinux <micr0> i just removed four packages from my repository and it would be a shame if anyone besides me were using them
2020-11-12T17:30:02 #kisslinux <micr0> I guess someone could golf a one-liner to show all installed packages that no longer have a source repository
2020-11-12T17:33:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that actually would be nice, yes
2020-11-12T17:33:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://0x0.st/in6k.png
2020-11-12T17:45:12 #kisslinux <micr0> kiss-unavailable() { kiss list | cut -d' ' -f1 | xargs -I {} zsh -c "echo "{} "; kiss s {} | grep -v installed | wc -l" | grep -B1 0 | grep -v '0$' | grep -v '--$' }
2020-11-12T17:45:17 #kisslinux <micr0> ugly hack ^^
2020-11-12T17:47:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sh work fine instead of zsh?
2020-11-12T17:52:09 #kisslinux <micr0> ominous_anonymou: probably not
2020-11-12T17:52:20 #kisslinux <micr0> probaby really easy to fix though
2020-11-12T17:52:29 #kisslinux <micr0> i put it up in github.com/jedahan/kiss-repo if you want to submit a PR
2020-11-12T17:52:37 #kisslinux <micr0> I'm sure the whole thing could be a lot simpler
2020-11-12T17:53:09 #kisslinux <micr0> but if you have my repo you should be able to `kiss b kiss-unavailable && kiss i kiss-unavailable && kiss unavailable` to test it out
2020-11-12T17:54:41 #kisslinux <micr0> https://github.com/jedahan/kiss-repo/blob/main/kiss-unavailable/files/kiss-unavailable << actual script
2020-11-12T18:03:50 #kisslinux <micr0> slower but simpler:
2020-11-12T18:03:57 #kisslinux <micr0> kiss-unvailable() { kiss list | cut -d' ' -f1 | xargs -I {} zsh -c "find /var/db/kiss/repos/ -name {} | grep -q . || echo {}" }
2020-11-12T18:05:24 #kisslinux <micr0> but also less flexible, as all your repos need to be in a top level directory, its not actually using KISS_PATH
2020-11-12T18:10:28 #kisslinux <micr0> okay, I removed the zsh dependency, sped it up, and simplified the code
2020-11-12T18:11:04 #kisslinux <micr0> kiss-unavailable() { kiss list | cut -d' ' -f1 | xargs -I {} sh -c "kiss s {} | grep -qv installed || echo {}" }
2020-11-12T18:11:11 #kisslinux <micr0> also it respects KISS_PATH now
2020-11-12T18:11:28 #kisslinux <micr0> would be cool to remove xargs, maybe i can peruse the posix sh bible to find a trick for that
2020-11-12T21:28:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, did you ever experience yash getting into an endless loop when deleting a file with spaces in the filename ?
2020-11-12T21:29:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2020-11-12T21:30:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think there's something up with the latest version of KISS and yash though... it's having a lot of weird errors, but only on KISS
2020-11-12T21:30:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> CRUX and stuff is fine
2020-11-12T21:30:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure why
2020-11-12T21:32:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i can reproduce it ... youtube-dl ZhpxIN0jQFk , hit ctrl-c after 10 secs, then:
2020-11-12T21:32:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> rm Vive la Résistance! well, not really... French Resistance 1940 - WW2 - War Against Humanity 007-ZhpxIN0jQFk.mp4.part
2020-11-12T21:32:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and yash goes into hell
2020-11-12T21:35:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2020-11-12T21:35:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't happen on my end
2020-11-12T21:35:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you use musl 1.2.1 ?
2020-11-12T21:35:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> No, glibc 2.32
2020-11-12T21:37:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh, thought you were a kisslinux user
2020-11-12T21:37:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I am
2020-11-12T21:37:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2020-11-12T21:38:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> is there a kiss with glibc ?
2020-11-12T21:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2020-11-12T21:38:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> gKISS
2020-11-12T21:38:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah
2020-11-12T21:43:56 #kisslinux <micr0> hey if i wanna add a screenshot to the list, where to go? https://0x0.st/inlW.jpg
2020-11-12T22:03:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. I think I'll go back to using mksh as my system shell since yash is having issues
2020-11-12T22:04:35 #kisslinux <kqz> i use yash as my login and user shell but dash as my /bin/sh, works pretty well for me
2020-11-12T22:05:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I use yash as login, user and system
2020-11-12T22:05:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> since it's pretty good in all of those roles
2020-11-12T22:05:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> but recently yash has been spazzing out on KISS
2020-11-12T22:06:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> logging in as a user other than my main account (including root) seems to break readline, and when invoked as sh it fails to run POSIX scripts
2020-11-12T22:08:27 #kisslinux <kqz> hm weird, i had some issues with lineedit in foot, my workaround was to add 'set ++le-promptsp' to my yashrc
2020-11-12T22:08:36 #kisslinux <kqz> other that that though it's been smooth sailing
2020-11-12T22:08:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm
2020-11-12T22:08:57 #kisslinux <kqz> then again i've never tried to run my posix sh scripts through yash, so ;p
2020-11-12T22:09:07 #kisslinux <kqz> also just switched to yash this week, so maybe i could run into smoething
2020-11-12T22:10:55 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2020-11-12T22:11:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly yash is a great shell
2020-11-12T22:11:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not sure why it's just now started to misbehave
2020-11-12T22:17:08 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah i'm loving it so far
2020-11-12T22:39:11 #kisslinux <muevoid> sshd won't I just found an application called waypipe that allows forwarding wayland applications like X. This means I can use a chroot to play terraria lol
2020-11-12T22:43:02 #kisslinux <soliwilos> muevoid: The duration variable in wayherb's config, is it meant to automatically close wayherb notifications?
2020-11-12T22:45:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> I don't remember lol let me go look
2020-11-12T22:47:14 #kisslinux <muevoid> It didn't before but I can add it quickly
2020-11-12T22:47:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> I just didn't handle the SIGALRM signal but I also need to make sure that it updates so one second
2020-11-12T22:48:32 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Great, thanks.
2020-11-12T23:10:54 #kisslinux <soliwilos> muevoid: By the way, are you using seatd?
2020-11-12T23:11:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yes I do
2020-11-12T23:11:50 #kisslinux <muevoid> Sorry it is taking so long. I really need to familiarize myself more with wayland soon
2020-11-12T23:12:29 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I was wondering what it brings to a setup. Is it to avoid suid for the wayland compositor?
2020-11-12T23:13:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> It was but now not much issue with that since you can do what kiss was doing before. Only really beneficial case imo is multi seat systems. I just use it cause I wasn't bothered to do the set guid and crap on the sway binary. Also it works on any compositor
2020-11-12T23:18:10 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I see, don't think I will bother testing it out then, at least for now.
2020-11-12T23:56:06 #kisslinux <muevoid> soliwilos want to try latest master? Make sure cpu usage is still ok as well if you dont mind
2020-11-12T23:58:34 #kisslinux <soliwilos> muevoid: I'll give it a try. :)
2020-11-12T23:58:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> Thanks!