2020-11-29T00:15:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...or not. Wrapper script it is
2020-11-29T00:31:41 #kisslinux <Rio6> do you guys turn kernel into a package or do you just make install it
2020-11-29T00:31:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> standard procedure is whatever you want
2020-11-29T00:32:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I just make install it
2020-11-29T00:33:01 #kisslinux <Rio6> I make install it too, but when upgrading I need to manually cleanup old module files and stuff in /boot
2020-11-29T00:33:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> that sounds like a pain >.<
2020-11-29T00:33:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> I normally just stuff all my firmware and modules into my kernel and call it a day
2020-11-29T00:38:48 #kisslinux <Rio6> I have some 3rd party drivers, but I guess making kernel a package doesn't help much
2020-11-29T01:05:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's no real good reason to use a kernel package tbh
2020-11-29T01:06:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> it might even be wasteful really; with gnugrep it takes an extra thirty seconds or so every build than it would with a simple make && make install
2020-11-29T01:14:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> Found a neat program for any of you guys into old text editors
2020-11-29T01:14:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://www.identicalsoftware.com/xwpe/screenshots.html
2020-11-29T01:14:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> Short of it freaking out over missing X fonts it's pretty cool, I think
2020-11-29T01:22:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you might like nedit if you're into motif
2020-11-29T01:22:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I was looking at it earlier
2020-11-29T01:23:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i actually got it to compile&work
2020-11-29T01:23:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> But... I dunno. If I liked the aesthetic of motif I'd just use a motif theme for GTK
2020-11-29T01:23:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> using lesstif2 as openmotif replacement
2020-11-29T02:49:45 #kisslinux <byt3thematics> is anyone having issues compiling netsurf?
2020-11-29T03:01:19 #kisslinux <nerditup> Rio6: I've made my own package for my kernel build since I need to stuff my cmdline parameters into my kernel binary
2020-11-29T03:02:06 #kisslinux <nerditup> Woes of a shitty Dell UEFI firmware
2020-11-29T03:11:47 #kisslinux <nerditup> EFI binary* -- not kernel, my mistake
2020-11-29T03:34:02 #kisslinux <byt3thematics> exit
2020-11-29T04:04:17 #kisslinux <micr0> nerditup are you on a 9380?
2020-11-29T04:32:10 #kisslinux <Rio6> qt taking its time to build...
2020-11-29T04:49:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> qt likes to take its sweet ass time :v
2020-11-29T04:49:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's part of why I don't use it
2020-11-29T04:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> takes like 17 hours to build on my machine
2020-11-29T04:49:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's obscene
2020-11-29T04:49:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> ewe
2020-11-29T04:49:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> why bother
2020-11-29T04:49:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> exactly.
2020-11-29T04:49:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> use an arch chroot for a web browser
2020-11-29T04:49:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just use Pale Meme
2020-11-29T04:50:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> even compiling it, it's not totally unreasonable when you consider what goes into a browser
2020-11-29T04:50:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> usually clocks around 25 minutes on my setup
2020-11-29T04:50:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> I consider it to be too much
2020-11-29T04:50:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah
2020-11-29T04:50:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally nothing would take more than five or ten minutes
2020-11-29T05:17:44 #kisslinux <Rio6> the whole web needs to be slimmed down
2020-11-29T05:18:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah... but that's not gonna happen
2020-11-29T05:22:41 #kisslinux <byt3thematics> Does anyone know the idiomatic way to change shells in KISS?
2020-11-29T05:24:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> "idiomatic way"?
2020-11-29T05:25:45 #kisslinux <byt3thematics> chsh command isn't in the system
2020-11-29T05:26:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you want to change the interactive shell?
2020-11-29T05:26:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you don't want to install shadow (which provides an implementation of chsh) you can edit the passwd file
2020-11-29T05:27:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> the last field of a line allows you to set the shell (or really any other command, if you wanted)
2020-11-29T05:27:46 #kisslinux <byt3thematics> I did that, I simply wanted the answer you just gave me. I wasn't aware of the shadow command.
2020-11-29T05:29:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, shadow isn't a command unto itself. it's an authentication framework, kind of like pam, I guess
2020-11-29T05:29:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you're welcome regardless
2020-11-29T05:32:04 #kisslinux <byt3thematics> Learned something new. Thanks mate. Is it related to /etc/shadows? I am speculating here. I've been use to chsh, went the manual way and was curious if KISS had a different implementation
2020-11-29T05:32:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> as far as I'm aware, yes, the shadow package is responsible for /etc/shadow
2020-11-29T05:32:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence the name
2020-11-29T05:33:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as for KISS' implementation of things, there's no canonical way to do things
2020-11-29T05:33:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's best for you to experiment and find what works best in your case
2020-11-29T05:36:14 #kisslinux <byt3thematics> Agree. It's been a long while since dabbling in Linux land. KISS has accomplished that for me (longtime OpenBSD user). Really enjoyinfg the OS
2020-11-29T05:36:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, KISS is a really great system. I'm probably going to use it as my main distro moving forwards
2020-11-29T06:17:30 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Rio6: I just use `make modules_install` and copy the bzImage to /boot, just need to clean up the old kernel's modules directory
2020-11-29T06:18:13 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> And then reboot and rebuild nvidia drivers
2020-11-29T06:20:53 #kisslinux <Rio6> yeah the old modules I often forget to remove
2020-11-29T06:21:12 #kisslinux <Rio6> and I forget to rebuild other modules too :p
2020-11-29T06:22:43 #kisslinux <Rio6> i was thinking to use kiss's hook to do that
2020-11-29T06:23:06 #kisslinux <Rio6> although packaging kernel makes editing config look hard
2020-11-29T06:25:09 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Do you use out of tree modules?
2020-11-29T06:25:41 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Maybe dkms could help
2020-11-29T06:27:05 #kisslinux <Rio6> idk, dkms with source based distro feels extra
2020-11-29T06:27:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could also specify the new modulesdir when building modules and not be stuck after a reboot
2020-11-29T06:27:24 #kisslinux <Rio6> when I can just do the same thing with kiss b kiss i
2020-11-29T06:27:38 #kisslinux <Rio6> right, the reboot part
2020-11-29T06:28:36 #kisslinux <Rio6> I've been forgetting the rebuild so that problem hasn't got me yet XD
2020-11-29T06:29:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> or just never update your kernel xD
2020-11-29T06:29:42 #kisslinux <Rio6> good point
2020-11-29T06:34:46 #kisslinux <Rio6> heh /dev/stdin is missing. how do I get it back
2020-11-29T06:40:09 #kisslinux <Rio6> i can probably ln it to proc self
2020-11-29T12:18:24 #kisslinux <claudia0> byt3thematics : Are you trying to build netsurf from community? I am the maintainer.
2020-11-29T14:17:41 #kisslinux <nerditup> Rio6: in case you are interested, https://github.com/nerditup/kisslinux/blob/main/linux/build
2020-11-29T14:18:27 #kisslinux <nerditup> @micro0: its a 9360
2020-11-29T15:08:59 #kisslinux <Rio6> nerditup, do you have a separate kernel source to create the config file, and then copy the config to the package build dir every time you change it?
2020-11-29T15:19:12 #kisslinux <nerditup> I'll update my config file in the repo and then kiss b linux -- but yeah if I need to I will spawn a separate build directory to do some diffs on a new kernel version
2020-11-29T15:25:51 #kisslinux <nerditup> in my experience, not much changes in the config between point releases
2020-11-29T15:32:51 #kisslinux <nerditup> I just realized, my build script is missing a `make olddefconfig` step - I'll update it
2020-11-29T15:59:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> Anyone happen to have a libvirt package?