2021-01-17T03:11:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> so here's a question for you guys
2021-01-17T03:12:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm trying to update one of my packages (libXaw3d) so that it makes a bunch of symbolic links for another library (libXaw) as part of the package
2021-01-17T03:12:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> the idea is that when it installs it links the first to the second, so /usr/lib/libXaw3d.so would have links to /usr/lib/libXaw.so.6, /usr/lib/libXaw.so.7, etc
2021-01-17T03:14:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm using a for loop with the target libraries like so to do so, as follows
2021-01-17T03:14:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> `for lib in "$1/usr/lib/libXaw.7.so" "$1/usr/lib/libXaw.so" ... ^J do ln -s "$1/usr/lib/libXaw3d.so" "$lib" ^J done`
2021-01-17T03:14:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is that the symbolic links point back to the build directory. trying to link without pointing at the build directory results in either a failure or non-working links
2021-01-17T03:14:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've also tried doing the same in post-install, with the same results, which puzzles me
2021-01-17T03:15:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you guys know of either a way I could do this or a package that has a part of the script I could reference?
2021-01-17T03:15:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> (sorry for the text flood)
2021-01-17T04:02:45 #kisslinux <jedavies> musl build file deals with symlinks
2021-01-17T04:03:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks, you're a lifesaver
2021-01-17T04:04:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, I see how it's being done- a little counterintuitive, but makes sense
2021-01-17T13:37:24 #kisslinux <aosync> Anyone knows staalmannen ?
2021-01-17T21:51:36 #kisslinux <humosign> Hello!
2021-01-17T21:52:47 #kisslinux <humosign> midfavila: have you needed to generate your locale?
2021-01-17T22:08:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2021-01-17T22:08:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I also don't use anything that depends on a locale being present
2021-01-17T22:15:57 #kisslinux <humosign> me neither supposedly midfavila
2021-01-17T22:16:03 #kisslinux <humosign> this ncurses program is so very broken
2021-01-17T22:16:18 #kisslinux <humosign> https://upload.esaanchez.net/716b9766f49b549c3916d680ca95e63cbc4e715d/eT4Xc2ZzzEHfyWpSFzGEC6uOs3bA7ZGwyesqkFCc/2021-01-17-180924_1195x431_scrot.png
2021-01-17T22:16:34 #kisslinux <humosign> and some things are blinking but you can't see that in a screenshot
2021-01-17T22:18:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> try setting your LOCALE variable to POSIX
2021-01-17T22:19:01 #kisslinux <humosign> hmm ok
2021-01-17T22:19:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've had at least one program freak out over an undefined LOCALE variable
2021-01-17T22:19:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was an annoying error to figure out
2021-01-17T22:20:01 #kisslinux <humosign> hmm
2021-01-17T22:20:06 #kisslinux <humosign> it doesn't see like that worked midfavila
2021-01-17T22:20:08 #kisslinux <humosign> also
2021-01-17T22:20:11 #kisslinux <humosign> it doesn't throw any errors
2021-01-17T22:20:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wouldn't know then
2021-01-17T22:20:18 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-01-17T22:20:37 #kisslinux <humosign> oh well
2021-01-17T22:20:41 #kisslinux <humosign> i want to use an xmpp client
2021-01-17T22:20:53 #kisslinux <humosign> poezio failed on me
2021-01-17T22:21:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only thing I know about xmpp is that it's like IRC but better
2021-01-17T22:21:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and apparently based on XML or something ridiculous like that
2021-01-17T22:21:18 #kisslinux <humosign> yeah it uses XML
2021-01-17T22:21:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> wack
2021-01-17T22:21:24 #kisslinux <humosign> but hey
2021-01-17T22:21:26 #kisslinux <humosign> it federates
2021-01-17T22:21:36 #kisslinux <humosign> and it's not Matrix
2021-01-17T22:22:00 #kisslinux <humosign> which is very network effect'd
2021-01-17T22:22:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> just use raw TCP sockets to send messages to your friends
2021-01-17T22:22:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-01-17T22:23:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah idk I don't really use any of those services
2021-01-17T22:23:17 #kisslinux <humosign> you are being sarcastic I suppose
2021-01-17T22:23:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> all I need is a protocol that lets me throw ASCII at people
2021-01-17T22:23:27 #kisslinux <humosign> yes
2021-01-17T22:23:36 #kisslinux <humosign> some structure was required for XMPP's scope though
2021-01-17T22:23:47 #kisslinux <humosign> it's
2021-01-17T22:23:51 #kisslinux <humosign> "normie-friendly"
2021-01-17T22:23:52 #kisslinux <humosign> more than IRC
2021-01-17T22:24:00 #kisslinux <humosign> it has fancy (unneeded) things
2021-01-17T22:24:03 #kisslinux <humosign> but most importantly
2021-01-17T22:24:05 #kisslinux <humosign> federation :D
2021-01-17T22:24:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> eh.
2021-01-17T22:24:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> federation is great when it works
2021-01-17T22:24:36 #kisslinux <humosign> and it does work with XMPP
2021-01-17T22:24:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of the time it seems to not-work, largely because of people
2021-01-17T22:24:46 #kisslinux <humosign> i see no gmail-tier centralization with it
2021-01-17T22:25:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> "let's all flock to one person's instance of X and basically make the whole thing centralized! what could possibly go wrong?"
2021-01-17T22:25:20 #kisslinux <humosign> yep
2021-01-17T22:25:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> but hey it's cool because it's totally federated and stuff, man
2021-01-17T22:25:30 #kisslinux <humosign> and XMPP hasn't suffered from that in a very long time
2021-01-17T22:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> just go make your own instance bro
2021-01-17T22:25:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc etc etc
2021-01-17T22:25:45 #kisslinux <humosign> google still offers XMPP
2021-01-17T22:25:49 #kisslinux <humosign> but nobody actually uses it
2021-01-17T22:25:59 #kisslinux <humosign> because nobody using XMPP is stupid enough for that
2021-01-17T22:26:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wish I could say the same thing about NNTP >.>;
2021-01-17T22:26:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> so many Google-originating spammers on usenet
2021-01-17T22:26:32 #kisslinux <humosign> RIP
2021-01-17T22:27:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm pretty sure my client can be scripted to filter messages based on origin but I'm too lazy to figure that out when I can just kill threads by author instead
2021-01-17T22:27:54 #kisslinux <humosign> I've never used usenet
2021-01-17T22:28:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like a giant decentralized internet forum
2021-01-17T22:28:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> except it's also like email
2021-01-17T22:28:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's pretty cool
2021-01-17T22:28:23 #kisslinux <humosign> oh nice
2021-01-17T22:28:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me
2021-01-17T22:28:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a protocol called Delta that uses SMTP and POP/IMAP for decentralized IMs
2021-01-17T22:28:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally all you need is an email account
2021-01-17T22:29:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> you don't even need a specific client
2021-01-17T22:29:21 #kisslinux <humosign> DeltaChat
2021-01-17T22:29:23 #kisslinux <humosign> I've heard of it
2021-01-17T22:29:24 #kisslinux <humosign> Yes
2021-01-17T22:29:40 #kisslinux <humosign> I wonder how it well it performs though
2021-01-17T22:29:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think that that sort of technology is more useful and interesting than federation
2021-01-17T22:29:47 #kisslinux <humosign> s/how it well/how well/
2021-01-17T22:29:48 #kisslinux <kissbot> <humosign> I wonder how well it performs though
2021-01-17T22:29:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, it all depends on your setup
2021-01-17T22:30:00 #kisslinux <humosign> I guess it does depend
2021-01-17T22:30:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> a shitty email service will be a shitty delta experience
2021-01-17T22:30:37 #kisslinux <humosign> Yep
2021-01-17T22:30:40 #kisslinux <humosign> (gmail)
2021-01-17T22:30:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I wasn't paranoid about leaking my IP i'd set up a server in my closet or something
2021-01-17T22:30:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> keep all my mail on that
2021-01-17T22:31:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then again email services block any email that isn't on a whitelist
2021-01-17T22:31:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is fucking stupid
2021-01-17T22:31:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> blacklists and strict spam filters would be a better solution
2021-01-17T22:31:42 #kisslinux <humosign> I don't care about leaking my IP
2021-01-17T22:31:51 #kisslinux <humosign> It's pretty much like an internet phone number at this point
2021-01-17T22:31:56 #kisslinux <humosign> Which is what IP addresses really are
2021-01-17T22:32:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> would you give out your personal phone number to strangers?
2021-01-17T22:32:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wouldn't
2021-01-17T22:32:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can get a lot of information out of a phone number, you know
2021-01-17T22:32:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with IPs
2021-01-17T22:32:24 #kisslinux <humosign> Yes but it's public
2021-01-17T22:32:32 #kisslinux <humosign> And we're talking a dynamic IP
2021-01-17T22:32:42 #kisslinux <humosign> In a well sized city
2021-01-17T22:32:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> even then
2021-01-17T22:32:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i unno
2021-01-17T22:33:23 #kisslinux <humosign> Finding out the city one lives in isn't everything
2021-01-17T22:33:34 #kisslinux <humosign> It's not very useful by itself
2021-01-17T22:33:39 #kisslinux <humosign> You need to do more digging
2021-01-17T22:33:57 #kisslinux <humosign> Trust me
2021-01-17T22:33:59 #kisslinux <humosign> I've tried
2021-01-17T22:34:00 #kisslinux <humosign> Lol
2021-01-17T22:34:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, but if someone's actually out for you then I wouldn't want to make their job any easier
2021-01-17T22:34:40 #kisslinux <humosign> I'll eventually stop operating through clearnet
2021-01-17T22:34:40 #kisslinux <humosign> Considering where I live and all
2021-01-17T22:35:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been considering something similar
2021-01-17T22:35:25 #kisslinux <humosign> I2P only though
2021-01-17T22:35:32 #kisslinux <humosign> With what happened to Tor recently
2021-01-17T22:35:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> but freenet is full of pedophiles, tor is basically owned by the feds, and i2p is written in fucking java
2021-01-17T22:35:39 #kisslinux <humosign> I think that's a pretty fair warning
2021-01-17T22:35:42 #kisslinux <humosign> midfavila:
2021-01-17T22:35:44 #kisslinux <humosign> There's i2pd
2021-01-17T22:35:47 #kisslinux <humosign> Written in C++
2021-01-17T22:35:59 #kisslinux <humosign> And it's actually good
2021-01-17T22:36:03 #kisslinux <humosign> And necessary for hosting servers
2021-01-17T22:36:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> looking at it now
2021-01-17T22:39:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll have to experiment with it some time
2021-01-17T22:40:13 #kisslinux <humosign> yes
2021-01-17T22:40:21 #kisslinux <humosign> too bad i have adsl so i couldn't leave it on
2021-01-17T22:40:33 #kisslinux <humosign> and ejabberd (xmpp server) doesn't support i2p
2021-01-17T22:40:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip
2021-01-17T22:40:58 #kisslinux <humosign> or any darknet at that
2021-01-17T22:41:04 #kisslinux <humosign> so i'll switch to https://prosody.org
2021-01-17T22:41:11 #kisslinux <humosign> and for SIP i'll use GNU sipwitch
2021-01-17T22:41:17 #kisslinux <humosign> i have that migration pending