2021-03-01T00:05:01 #kisslinux <howdyyall> thanks necromansy. for whatever reason i thought my wireless card was intel
2021-03-01T00:05:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> no worries
2021-03-01T00:51:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> hello there
2021-03-01T00:53:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> hihihello
2021-03-01T00:53:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm like, really annoyed by this libinput update ngl
2021-03-01T00:53:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> whats it done?
2021-03-01T00:54:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've never had issues typing with a trackpad before, but now my fucking hands keep APPARENTLY gliding across it so it randomly clicks and moves my cursor
2021-03-01T00:54:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> and I can't hold down both shift keys at the same time >=|
2021-03-01T00:54:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> thefuck
2021-03-01T00:54:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive not been able to get my trackpad working
2021-03-01T01:03:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-01T01:03:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> sometimes I forget I say this shit lmfao "Google gNoogle gUgle" thanks acheam
2021-03-01T01:07:12 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-01T01:07:30 #kisslinux <acheam> you say the most funny stuff of anybody in this channel, so I have a feeling it will mostly be you...
2021-03-01T01:10:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol lol
2021-03-01T01:10:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> If more off-topic discussion happened here I'd consider setting up a quote bot
2021-03-01T01:22:19 #kisslinux <sad_plan> dylin: when trying to update, using signature verification, it breaks due to some unsigned commit. I tried to look for it, but Ive cant seem to find it. im sure theres a search function for you to use so you could look for it
2021-03-01T01:22:27 #kisslinux <sad_plan> commit is 30a78c48
2021-03-01T01:22:38 #kisslinux <sad_plan> fatal: Commit 30a78c48 does not have a GPG signature.
2021-03-01T01:23:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> it does however seems to temporarly work, if I remove the repo from its directory, then git clone it again, it does work.
2021-03-01T01:27:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> im refering to repo-main btw
2021-03-01T01:27:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> for community?
2021-03-01T01:27:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah
2021-03-01T01:27:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmm
2021-03-01T01:28:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> especially strange because that particular commit *is* signed
2021-03-01T01:28:28 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that is indeed strange
2021-03-01T01:28:35 #kisslinux <sad_plan> you do however have an unsigned one
2021-03-01T01:28:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/commit/a003725a6d16659579240451511266aac6f52f0c
2021-03-01T01:28:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan explored this issue a lot because it came up FREQUENTLY and he ultimately said it was a git issue, not a kiss issue
2021-03-01T01:28:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah some are unsigned, which is sad :'(
2021-03-01T01:29:11 #kisslinux <sad_plan> is it possible to sign them afterwards though?
2021-03-01T01:29:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> what strange is I don't know how that one WASN'T signed because I configured git to sign every commit
2021-03-01T01:29:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think so
2021-03-01T01:30:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah that might be right. I just updated kiss, and started kiss update again, expecting it to fail again, but for some reason now it works again. dunno why..
2021-03-01T01:30:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that is also very strange
2021-03-01T01:30:57 #kisslinux <sad_plan> oh well. perhaps it just is a git issue as dylin said earlier
2021-03-01T01:31:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah. I got so bothered by how finicky it is I just disabled it entirely
2021-03-01T01:32:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm extra fun development: my kiss u does NOT exit without a prompt IF the repository itself has an update
2021-03-01T01:32:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> HM. NOPE. it's just totally fixed now. what the fucking hell.
2021-03-01T01:33:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll just pat myself on the back for a job well done. gooooo me! also probably cem
2021-03-01T01:33:04 #kisslinux <sad_plan> lol
2021-03-01T01:34:13 #kisslinux <sad_plan> also, sometimes kiss doesnt seem to recognize missing deps. I tried to build firefox earlier, but it failed due to me missing nodejs. for some reason it didnt install it the first time i tried for whatever reason. this has happened to me before aswell iirc
2021-03-01T01:34:26 #kisslinux <sad_plan> brb
2021-03-01T01:34:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> known issue, unknown cause :'(
2021-03-01T01:34:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's been a problem for many many months
2021-03-01T01:43:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> I hate shared libraries. don't update libxkbcommon when hikari is running smh
2021-03-01T01:54:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ah ok
2021-03-01T01:54:45 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I couldnt even get hikari to build. not even with their tar.xz file
2021-03-01T01:54:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-03-01T01:55:07 #kisslinux <sad_plan> cant recall the error at the top of my head though
2021-03-01T01:58:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe it's because you didn't have pam installed
2021-03-01T01:59:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> perhaps. there was no error on missing pam though. ill check again once im done updating
2021-03-01T01:59:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I dont belive I have pam either. as I never installed it myself anyway. so yeah, that might be the case
2021-03-01T02:02:34 #kisslinux <noocsharp> anyone know if librewolf has been packaged by anyone?
2021-03-01T02:05:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> not to my knowledge. not seen it being mentioned here anyway. but its basiclly firefox. so id assume its rather straight forward with the already existing buildscript for firefox
2021-03-01T02:19:04 #kisslinux <acheam> lol my awk implementation of fortune is faster than fortune itself
2021-03-01T02:19:24 #kisslinux <acheam> and it isn't even optimized at all
2021-03-01T02:19:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam: you motivated me to finally add an rss feed to my site
2021-03-01T02:19:54 #kisslinux <acheam> yay!
2021-03-01T02:19:58 #kisslinux <acheam> whats the URL?
2021-03-01T02:21:08 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://nihaljere.xyz/words/atom.xml
2021-03-01T02:21:39 #kisslinux <acheam> consider including the content of the post in it
2021-03-01T02:21:48 #kisslinux <acheam> like this
2021-03-01T02:21:50 #kisslinux <acheam> https://armaanb.net/feed
2021-03-01T02:22:25 #kisslinux <noocsharp> one day
2021-03-01T02:22:37 #kisslinux <acheam> how are you generating it? It shouldn't be much work at all to add
2021-03-01T02:23:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> shell script, not a question of effort, a question of motivation
2021-03-01T02:25:05 #kisslinux <acheam> the motivation is that its inconvinient to your readers :) Although any RSS feed is infinitely better than none
2021-03-01T02:25:09 #kisslinux <acheam> i've added it to me reader
2021-03-01T02:25:13 #kisslinux <acheam> s/me/my
2021-03-01T02:25:45 #kisslinux <noocsharp> my motivation, not general motivation
2021-03-01T02:26:03 #kisslinux <acheam> why are we motivated to do anything if not to appease others?
2021-03-01T02:26:49 #kisslinux <acheam> I know that's BS, I just felt like being philosophical
2021-03-01T02:26:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dont be gettin philosophical on me
2021-03-01T02:27:03 #kisslinux <acheam> its too late
2021-03-01T02:27:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> alright who set the song of the day
2021-03-01T02:27:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> b&
2021-03-01T02:29:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr
2021-03-01T02:29:09 #kisslinux <acheam> idk how to use irc
2021-03-01T02:29:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> :c
2021-03-01T02:30:22 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm not authorized to change the topic?
2021-03-01T02:30:25 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm a channel op...
2021-03-01T02:30:45 #kisslinux <acheam> anyways, see the new song I put there
2021-03-01T02:53:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> gemini got a new bdfl
2021-03-01T02:56:40 #kisslinux <ctb0> who Sundar Pichai?
2021-03-01T02:56:54 #kisslinux <ctb0> 0.o
2021-03-01T02:57:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> sean conner
2021-03-01T02:57:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> apparently a long-time advocate. should be fun
2021-03-01T02:58:13 #kisslinux <ctb0> what is the favicon stuff going on on gemini?
2021-03-01T02:58:26 #kisslinux <ctb0> i was just reading a bit about it, but i feel like i'm coming in in the middle
2021-03-01T03:17:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/005468.html
2021-03-01T03:17:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> drew devault strikes again lmfaoooo
2021-03-01T03:18:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> the gemini mailing list is fun to read if only because you get to see how absolutely putrid and vitriolic some people our types of communities can be
2021-03-01T03:25:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-01T03:37:02 #kisslinux <acheam> I stay off of the gemini ML
2021-03-01T03:37:19 #kisslinux <acheam> the IRC channel is dramatic enough for me
2021-03-01T03:37:59 #kisslinux <acheam> ddevaults behavior was certainly not pleasant throughout this, even though I am on his side on this issue
2021-03-01T03:38:11 #kisslinux <acheam> good morning, testuser_[m]
2021-03-01T03:46:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> hola testuser
2021-03-01T03:46:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean ddevault isn't technically wrong, he just seems dramatic most of the time
2021-03-01T03:47:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> I guess you've gotta respect people that cling so closely to their convictions
2021-03-01T03:47:36 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, he threatned to block clients that request a favicon from all of his server software
2021-03-01T03:47:47 #kisslinux <acheam> and he provides lots of Gemini hosting now, with pages.sr.ht
2021-03-01T03:48:04 #kisslinux <acheam> so its a bit more than dramatic
2021-03-01T03:48:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> the power of a monopoly
2021-03-01T03:48:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> isn't this literally the thing we try to escape lmao
2021-03-01T03:48:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> de facto bdfl in a way
2021-03-01T03:48:56 #kisslinux <acheam> idk... I don't even spend that much time on Gemini
2021-03-01T03:49:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I mirror my content there, but don't ever browse myself
2021-03-01T04:32:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> Just accidentally discovered that btm can display a process tree, not just a list of processes
2021-03-01T04:32:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> awesome
2021-03-01T05:26:26 #kisslinux <konimex> ah... so I missed the void post about switching back to openssl, that's why there's a talk about openssl on kiss yesterday
2021-03-01T05:28:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> my favorite part was when they said qt5 was heavily patched for libressl support and their patch is like, forty lines
2021-03-01T05:28:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> they work harder for zip ffs lmao
2021-03-01T05:28:52 #kisslinux <konimex> as for me, I'll just wait for openssl 3.0.0 and libressl's reaction to that, the whole debacle seems like ffmpeg-libav situation anyway
2021-03-01T05:55:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-03-01T05:55:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/kiss-community/wiki/pull/5
2021-03-01T05:55:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> kernel page when
2021-03-01T06:01:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/kiss-community/wiki/pull/6
2021-03-01T06:02:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> u gon' lurn
2021-03-01T06:02:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> gngn
2021-03-01T06:11:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-01T07:27:00 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: Replace 'set -ef' with 'set -efx' on kiss's main() function and send me the logs, I'll take a look at it for the fix.
2021-03-01T07:27:35 #kisslinux <merakor> If the problem persists, that is
2021-03-01T07:47:28 #kisslinux <travankor> no new sotd?
2021-03-01T07:51:15 #kisslinux <travankor> tfw channel ops have one job to do and still screw it up :p
2021-03-01T10:27:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> that amfora issue thread was spicy, heck
2021-03-01T10:38:58 #kisslinux <travankor> konimex: openssl 3.0 has an incompatible license with libressl
2021-03-01T10:39:27 #kisslinux <travankor> although obsd is in the same situation wrt clang/llvm
2021-03-01T10:39:39 #kisslinux <danteissias> i've been working on my bearssl rootfs and it seems that gnupg1 doesn't depend on libre/openssl it can work fine without it
2021-03-01T10:40:25 #kisslinux <travankor> gnupg has it's own library
2021-03-01T10:40:32 #kisslinux <travankor> iirc
2021-03-01T10:41:15 #kisslinux <konimex> <travankor "konimex: openssl 3.0 has an inco"> I'm not too concerned with license tbf
2021-03-01T10:41:31 #kisslinux <konimex> as long as it's FOSS anything goes
2021-03-01T10:42:12 #kisslinux <travankor>  i mean to say openssl 3.0 is designed to be incompatible with openbsd, the developers of libressl
2021-03-01T10:42:26 #kisslinux <danteissias> https://termbin.com/yi90 - its working just fine in a chroot without any trace of libressl, should we update the depends file in the repos to reflect this?
2021-03-01T10:42:56 #kisslinux <konimex> <travankor " i mean to say openssl 3.0 is de"> well good thing we're not on openbsd
2021-03-01T10:43:53 #kisslinux <travankor> well, if libressl isn't compatible with the openssl API then it's use-case is sort of moot, no?
2021-03-01T10:47:12 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah, and I fear new programs will only use OpenSSL 3.0.0+ APIs, effectively leaving Libre behind
2021-03-01T10:48:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what will obsd do ? when programs start using different apis
2021-03-01T10:48:30 #kisslinux <konimex> and then there's the TLS 1.3 thing too
2021-03-01T10:50:32 #kisslinux <travankor> testuser_[m]: obsd will most likely drop that software (or stick to an outdated version) :p
2021-03-01T12:05:05 #kisslinux <aws> test
2021-03-01T12:49:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> test failed
2021-03-01T12:49:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-01T12:52:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: sorry, apparently you need the +t flag set on chanserv's access list before you can change the topic
2021-03-01T13:12:23 #kisslinux <merakor> danteissias: Yeah, neither does gnupg2. Carbs had been using bearssl for quite a while.
2021-03-01T13:25:54 #kisslinux <raph_ael> kiss repos are dead (ie idling for months) ?
2021-03-01T13:26:07 #kisslinux <konimex> oh boy you missed quite a lot
2021-03-01T13:26:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> github.com/kiss-community
2021-03-01T13:26:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^^^
2021-03-01T13:27:19 #kisslinux <raph_ael> konimex: quite yes :)
2021-03-01T13:27:21 #kisslinux <raph_ael> thanks
2021-03-01T13:27:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> Morning, guys
2021-03-01T13:27:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> heyo
2021-03-01T13:28:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> can someone let dilyn know that you can prevent cursor movement while typing with xinput set-prop btw
2021-03-01T13:28:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...wait he uses wayland
2021-03-01T13:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> never mind
2021-03-01T13:28:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-01T13:28:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-03-01T13:29:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> totally ready for prod guise
2021-03-01T13:30:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me I need to read more about configuring the X.Org server...
2021-03-01T13:30:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> would be nice to not have to include piles of xinput statements in my .xsession
2021-03-01T13:41:22 #kisslinux <travankor> ayyland is the future™
2021-03-01T13:41:34 #kisslinux <travankor> IBM Redhat certified
2021-03-01T13:41:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only thing that wayland has in common with the future is that we never reach it, but it's always just in front of us
2021-03-01T13:42:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> just like nvidia drivers not being shit on loonix
2021-03-01T13:43:10 #kisslinux <travankor> so basically vaporware
2021-03-01T13:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least vaporware doesn't pretend it exists
2021-03-01T13:45:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit even my friends that use le GNU's Not UNIX Network  Object Model Environment and Krashing Desktop Environment prefer using it with X.Org
2021-03-01T13:48:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> travankor lmao i now petition Arcan to be renamed Ayyyland, and for it to become the default display server for KISS
2021-03-01T13:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not Xenocara
2021-03-01T13:49:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely cringe
2021-03-01T13:49:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh god
2021-03-01T13:49:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> one of the envs for arcan is safespaces
2021-03-01T13:49:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> :V
2021-03-01T13:50:22 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks, kiedtl
2021-03-01T13:52:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i played with durden briefly but i'm not big brained enough to really know how to utilize it
2021-03-01T13:52:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hmm. I'm thinking I might spend today packaging GNUMeric and AbiWord...
2021-03-01T13:52:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> he made a plan9 style WM as well: https://github.com/letoram/prio
2021-03-01T13:52:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, saw that listed on the void wiki
2021-03-01T13:52:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> is GNUmeric a fucking numerical computation library?
2021-03-01T13:52:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> no it's s spreadsheet lmoa
2021-03-01T13:52:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/lmoa/lmao
2021-03-01T13:53:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> omg
2021-03-01T13:53:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> What?
2021-03-01T13:53:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> would haev been a perfect numerical comp library name
2021-03-01T13:53:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably
2021-03-01T13:53:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I'm being honest the GNU project has way too much cruft...
2021-03-01T13:53:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah it does
2021-03-01T13:53:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-03-01T13:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> GNU literally has three different spreadsheets
2021-03-01T13:54:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you ignore the fact that EMACS probably has a spreadsheet
2021-03-01T13:54:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> i was literally about to say
2021-03-01T13:54:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> "I imagine emacs has one too"
2021-03-01T13:54:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> one's ncurses, another is xaw/motif, and then gnumeric is gtk+
2021-03-01T13:54:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-03-01T13:55:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> just add GTK support to the existing graphical spreadsheet
2021-03-01T13:55:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then have that just use the command line program as a backend
2021-03-01T13:55:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> its literally what they do with gnuplot ffs
2021-03-01T13:55:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically turn the ncurses program into a library, then provide interfaces
2021-03-01T13:55:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not much of a programmer but that seems like a pretty basic thing to do to me
2021-03-01T13:56:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> tbh I don't even think many people outside of GNOME users use a lot of GNU software
2021-03-01T13:57:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure you've got the userland and the c library and the toolchain and whatnot, all very important
2021-03-01T13:57:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there are a lot of alternative distros that don't rely on any of that, save the toolchain
2021-03-01T13:57:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and let's be real, if you're not the kind of person to actually care about your userland, you probably just use GUI programs
2021-03-01T13:57:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> or you're a """""""""professional"""""""""
2021-03-01T13:58:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you probably use like, ubuntu or fedora or some shit
2021-03-01T14:03:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> exciting news for you laptop junkies https://frame.work/
2021-03-01T14:03:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh my god
2021-03-01T14:03:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> is that what I think it is
2021-03-01T14:03:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> based on the URL?
2021-03-01T14:04:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> i swear a "modular replaceable" laptop comes up every couple of years or so
2021-03-01T14:04:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-03-01T14:04:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it should have stayed the standard >:c
2021-03-01T14:04:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> bring back mid-late 90s laptop design
2021-03-01T14:05:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> also if they don't have a better keyboard than - eugh - chiclet, I'm not interested
2021-03-01T14:05:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> gross.
2021-03-01T14:05:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> i *want* to say that id use it as an actual laptop
2021-03-01T14:05:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay yeah never mind
2021-03-01T14:05:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is stupid
2021-03-01T14:05:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> but im pre glued to my desk
2021-03-01T14:06:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> so itd be a workstation and id just use my ortho keeb
2021-03-01T14:06:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> lel
2021-03-01T14:06:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it uses USB-C as the "expansion" bus
2021-03-01T14:06:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I'm shelling out money for a modular laptop I'm just going to get the MNT Reform
2021-03-01T14:07:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> at least its functionally USB-C
2021-03-01T14:07:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least that isn't stuck on shintel and doesn't rely on first-party modules
2021-03-01T14:07:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> and not "usb-c with usb-a 3.1 functionality"
2021-03-01T14:07:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I'm a boomer but I don't get why USB-C exists
2021-03-01T14:08:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> an attempt to universalise connections i think
2021-03-01T14:08:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> "OH WOW I CAN PUT IT IN BOTH WAYS THIS TOTALLY JUSTIFIES LOSING BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY WITH EVERYTHING FROM THE PAST TWENTY-FIVE YEARS11!11!1!1!1!11"
2021-03-01T14:08:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> like fuck off
2021-03-01T14:08:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> but until its adopted as the major thing the lack of backwards compat is a heavy loss
2021-03-01T14:08:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> mmh.
2021-03-01T14:09:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> if the only thing I can use with it is the latest paperweight applel or samsung have shit out, i don't really care
2021-03-01T14:09:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> also wow
2021-03-01T14:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> >privacy focused laptop
2021-03-01T14:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> >includes non-removeable mic and webcam
2021-03-01T14:09:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> big pass
2021-03-01T14:11:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> real chads just use RS-232 for everything
2021-03-01T14:13:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyways, eggs-n-bacon time
2021-03-01T14:13:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what does privacy focused even mean for that laptop
2021-03-01T14:13:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> Buzzword:tm:
2021-03-01T14:13:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also have those idiots ever heard of the thinkad
2021-03-01T14:13:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's corp-speak for "give us your money, idiot"
2021-03-01T14:13:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *thinkpad
2021-03-01T14:14:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> really that you can hardware shutter the mic and webcam
2021-03-01T14:14:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't care
2021-03-01T14:14:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> mhm
2021-03-01T14:14:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i know
2021-03-01T14:14:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it's included then it's a problem
2021-03-01T14:14:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> im just stating it plainly
2021-03-01T14:14:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I can just tape over the camera
2021-03-01T14:14:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> but
2021-03-01T14:14:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the mic...
2021-03-01T14:14:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> it'd be a lot more peace-of-mind to just tear it out
2021-03-01T14:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh the mic you can't do shit about short of cutting its connection
2021-03-01T14:14:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> you can shutter *both* on this kiedtl
2021-03-01T14:15:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can get rid of both on any decent laptop with a screwdriver and a maintenance manual
2021-03-01T14:15:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dont' understand what shuttering the mic means though
2021-03-01T14:15:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably cutting power
2021-03-01T14:15:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-03-01T14:15:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> id imagine so
2021-03-01T14:15:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> huh
2021-03-01T14:15:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> but again
2021-03-01T14:15:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> just get a laptop doesn't include (shitty) internal multimedia tools
2021-03-01T14:15:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and use external tools via 3.5mm
2021-03-01T14:15:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> 'shuttering' is an awkward way to describe it
2021-03-01T14:15:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> as terry intended
2021-03-01T14:15:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise your opinion is dumb
2021-03-01T14:16:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> just install a distro that doesnt support the drivers :P
2021-03-01T14:16:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah shuttering was a poor choice of words on my end
2021-03-01T14:16:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the first thing it made me think of is putting a thin bit of plastic over the mic or something lol
2021-03-01T14:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> my tinfoil-hatting is immune to your suggestions, necromansy
2021-03-01T14:16:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> short of physically removing it, idc
2021-03-01T14:16:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> well ofc, conspiracy nuts are never reasonable :P
2021-03-01T14:16:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay wow I wouldn't go that far lmao
2021-03-01T14:16:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-03-01T14:17:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> i just be jabbing
2021-03-01T14:17:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> fr though if you want a laptop that *actually* aims for privacy and modularity
2021-03-01T14:17:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> MNT Reform is much better
2021-03-01T14:17:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait did someone buy k1ss.org
2021-03-01T14:17:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-01T14:17:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> it expired
2021-03-01T14:17:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> ill have a geeze at it
2021-03-01T14:17:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It looks like someone did
2021-03-01T14:17:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cuz it expires in 2022 now
2021-03-01T14:17:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna run a whois
2021-03-01T14:18:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...and it's broken. wtf
2021-03-01T14:18:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> add that to the list for today
2021-03-01T14:18:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Just another manic monday!
2021-03-01T14:18:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> weird, some site says it expires on feb 14 2021, other one says 2022
2021-03-01T14:18:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and now the domain doesn't show that parkingcrew thing
2021-03-01T14:19:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> There have been conflicting answers to the question of when it expires :S
2021-03-01T14:19:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> depends if you use http or https
2021-03-01T14:19:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> I certainly hope no one bought it
2021-03-01T14:19:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> whois doesn't provide an expiry date
2021-03-01T14:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait
2021-03-01T14:19:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> http bounces to NameCrew parking space
2021-03-01T14:19:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> ran it again, 2022
2021-03-01T14:19:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> bruh wat
2021-03-01T14:19:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> http gives me a 403, https can't connect
2021-03-01T14:19:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird
2021-03-01T14:19:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the site which now says 2022 earlier said 2021 so...
2021-03-01T14:20:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, fuck
2021-03-01T14:20:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's something else we'll have to figure out I guess
2021-03-01T14:20:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway switching to laptop
2021-03-01T14:20:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> should probably adjust my IRC nicks to reflect that
2021-03-01T14:21:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://www.whois.com/whois/k1ss.org "status: auto renew period"
2021-03-01T14:21:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> who knows what that even means tho tbh
2021-03-01T14:22:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> in the process of auto-renewal would be my guess
2021-03-01T14:22:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> iunno, sounds like an auto-renew subscription
2021-03-01T14:22:15 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-03-01T14:22:49 #kisslinux <jedavies> MNT Reform looks interesting, but seems expensive for what it is. Pinebook Pro has faster cpus and is $200 compared to the MNT's $1500
2021-03-01T14:23:32 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i almost bid on k1ss.org last night.  hm…
2021-03-01T14:24:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> don't get me wrong the reform is a total ripoff if you're looking for a laptop that can do everything
2021-03-01T14:24:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you're paying a lot more for the platform and the ideas than the hardware at this point
2021-03-01T14:25:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but there's potentially a RISC-V board down the line, and it'd  be really easy to, say, wire up a big ol' eInk panel to it
2021-03-01T14:25:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which would be fhsdhfasbjgklsdfhugiasdlfiasdogfhasdi
2021-03-01T14:25:10 #kisslinux <jedavies> Also their comparison table is wrong, the pbp doesn't need blobs to use the display.
2021-03-01T14:27:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that I didn't know. I don't follow pine64 too closely
2021-03-01T14:29:21 #kisslinux <jedavies> Onboard wifi needs a blob, and if you're using DP out over usb-c you need another one.
2021-03-01T14:30:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> for pbp?
2021-03-01T14:30:47 #kisslinux <jedavies> yeah
2021-03-01T14:31:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> can the wifi at least be replaced?
2021-03-01T14:34:58 #kisslinux <jedavies> Don't think so. Right now you'd have to use a usb wifi adaptor. They are apparently working on open firmware for that chip though. Not sure how far along that is.
2021-03-01T14:35:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hm
2021-03-01T14:35:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well. hopefully their firmware works out
2021-03-01T14:36:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> one sec gotta cut up an onion
2021-03-01T14:36:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> is that a euphemism
2021-03-01T14:46:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no
2021-03-01T14:46:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm making breakfast and literally had to cut an onion
2021-03-01T14:46:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i also broke some eggs and minced ham
2021-03-01T14:47:51 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn:  namecheap holds the domain for 30 days after it expires
2021-03-01T14:48:00 #kisslinux <acheam> thats what its in right now I think
2021-03-01T14:48:14 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  where was it on auction?
2021-03-01T14:48:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> shadybroker.xyz
2021-03-01T14:49:01 #kisslinux <acheam> frame.work sounds cool, but you are still reliant on their limited parts, unlike an old thinkpad, which you can throw tons of readily available parts into
2021-03-01T14:49:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> (or reform which is literally just off-the-shelf)
2021-03-01T14:52:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> honestly though there's no good reason for modular laptops to not have been a thing for at least a decade and a half at this point
2021-03-01T14:52:25 #kisslinux <acheam> right, it doesn't have to be something special
2021-03-01T14:52:34 #kisslinux <acheam> just a laptop without soldered on parts is fine for me
2021-03-01T14:52:44 #kisslinux * midfavila1 nods
2021-03-01T14:53:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just provide maintenance manuals for your shit, don't use specialized components, and don't solder shit
2021-03-01T14:53:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and stop fetishizing "muh thin and light"
2021-03-01T14:53:25 #kisslinux * acheam is typing this on a computer advertised as being "thin and light"
2021-03-01T14:53:38 #kisslinux <acheam> but yeah, my priorities have changed since I bought my current electronics
2021-03-01T14:53:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you aren't going to collapse under the weight of a thousand suns if your laptop is more than an inch or two thick
2021-03-01T14:54:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> now don't get me wrong
2021-03-01T14:54:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm not against compact designs
2021-03-01T14:54:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> in fact I refuse to buy laptops larger than 12.1"
2021-03-01T14:54:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but you can still include fucktons of modularity in compact designs
2021-03-01T14:54:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my laptop is a prime example
2021-03-01T14:54:57 #kisslinux <acheam> but it is harder
2021-03-01T14:55:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not really
2021-03-01T14:55:04 #kisslinux <acheam> okay we get it, you have a toughbook :)
2021-03-01T14:55:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> build vertically
2021-03-01T14:55:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and no I need to drive the point home a little more I think
2021-03-01T14:55:23 #kisslinux * midfavila1 flexes on acheam
2021-03-01T14:56:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ...i just realized something
2021-03-01T14:56:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i turned on the wrong burner and that's why my eggs haven't been cooking for five minutes
2021-03-01T14:56:42 #kisslinux <acheam> how do you not realize that...
2021-03-01T14:57:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because my oven is shit and doesn't have the burner knobs sorted proprerly
2021-03-01T14:57:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> properly*
2021-03-01T14:57:29 #kisslinux <acheam> I meant from not noticing that the eggs aren't cooking sooner
2021-03-01T14:57:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no ofc I knew they weren't cooking
2021-03-01T14:57:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I was just like "hmmm sure is taking an awful long time for these eggs to cook considering the pan is already hot"
2021-03-01T14:58:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lo and behold, pan was not, in fact, hot
2021-03-01T14:58:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ah lol
2021-03-01T14:58:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> only the handle
2021-03-01T14:58:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which nearly burned my hand
2021-03-01T14:58:15 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: never bid on a domain before, but the message on namecheap was different last night than now. basically implied that the domain could be available i could put in an offer.. idk. wanted to look into it more this morning.
2021-03-01T14:58:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> * acheam: never bid on a domain before, but the message on namecheap was different last night than now. basically implied that the domain could be available and* i could put in an offer.. idk. wanted to look into it more this morning.
2021-03-01T14:59:02 #kisslinux <konimex> someone already put a bid on k1ss.org perhaps?
2021-03-01T14:59:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Hopefully domain squatters didn't steal it
2021-03-01T14:59:34 #kisslinux <acheam> oh, I see that. I don't think thats an actual for sale thing, but rather, you pay them money, and then they try and contact the domain owner for you
2021-03-01T14:59:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I will rage
2021-03-01T14:59:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> and we will go back to the good old days of being the goatpiss organization
2021-03-01T14:59:50 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/GCPeUbX.png
2021-03-01T14:59:56 #kisslinux <acheam> is what you're talking about?
2021-03-01T15:00:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i mean hey goats are pretty good
2021-03-01T15:00:24 #kisslinux <konimex> also, USB-C is also pretty goddamn neat, I can charge my laptop with my phone charger now
2021-03-01T15:00:29 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-03-01T15:00:41 #kisslinux <acheam> also, charging while outputting video is p cool
2021-03-01T15:00:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'd rather not sacrifice IO when I have to charge my machine thanks
2021-03-01T15:01:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I charge via a dongle. I actually get more IO when I charge :)
2021-03-01T15:01:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-01T15:01:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> okay fair enough
2021-03-01T15:01:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you didn't want to sacrifice things you wouldn't get a laptop
2021-03-01T15:01:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> the whole idea behind laptops is compromise
2021-03-01T15:01:36 #kisslinux <konimex> hear hear
2021-03-01T15:01:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> absolutely
2021-03-01T15:01:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and that's why I have a balls-to-the-wall workstation
2021-03-01T15:01:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which is what handles anything remotely difficult
2021-03-01T15:01:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I want my balls on the wall :(
2021-03-01T15:02:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> laptop is just for gathering data and mobile communication
2021-03-01T15:02:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's a "mobile thin client"
2021-03-01T15:02:50 #kisslinux <acheam> tell that to the person who develops a linux distrobution on just a laptop
2021-03-01T15:03:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no offense to dylan but shell isn't the most intensive language to develop
2021-03-01T15:03:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> develop in*
2021-03-01T15:03:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> i dunno man reading those LOCs on a <14" screen is a small kind of hell
2021-03-01T15:03:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i use a 12" and it's fine
2021-03-01T15:03:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> dunno what you're talking about
2021-03-01T15:04:01 #kisslinux <acheam> having a good WM helps
2021-03-01T15:04:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> You must have binocular eyes
2021-03-01T15:04:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> didn't dylan get an i9 pc gifted ?
2021-03-01T15:04:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> actually I have extremely poor vision lmao
2021-03-01T15:04:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah he did
2021-03-01T15:04:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i just haven't fallen for muh high dpi
2021-03-01T15:04:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what happened to it
2021-03-01T15:05:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> who knows
2021-03-01T15:05:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'd assume it's with dylan
2021-03-01T15:05:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> in a coffin or on a boat, who knows
2021-03-01T15:05:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :thinking:
2021-03-01T15:08:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> aaand just took a frying pan to the head
2021-03-01T15:09:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> today is not a good day
2021-03-01T15:09:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fuck
2021-03-01T15:09:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's the glow in the dark red hatters come to take me out I guess
2021-03-01T15:13:38 #kisslinux <acheam> how does updating git packages work?
2021-03-01T15:13:44 #kisslinux <acheam> do I just bump the relver?
2021-03-01T15:13:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-03-01T15:14:13 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks
2021-03-01T15:14:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's one thing I need to remember to do
2021-03-01T15:15:30 #kisslinux <acheam> my fortune implementation for kiss is here if anyone is interested
2021-03-01T15:15:32 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/kiss-repo/tree/main/item/fortune
2021-03-01T15:15:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> did i mention that sabotage's package manager butch started as a C program, then ended up being converted to a POSIX shell script due to ease of maintenance/hacking?
2021-03-01T15:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, you didn't, but that's cool
2021-03-01T15:16:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> shell is so underestimated it's not even funny
2021-03-01T15:16:34 #kisslinux <acheam> huh I never heard of it before
2021-03-01T15:16:40 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr, how is it different than KISS?
2021-03-01T15:16:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> my feeling is that if k is one day gonna be completed, the same will happen :)
2021-03-01T15:17:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss becomes k becomes kiss
2021-03-01T15:17:09 #kisslinux <acheam> nvm I just read the website, it is a bit different
2021-03-01T15:17:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> the araps cycle
2021-03-01T15:17:14 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-01T15:18:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a package manager really is an ever moving target, and when you can try out ideas quickly it's a huge plus
2021-03-01T15:18:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> k will never be the default as long as I'm alive :v
2021-03-01T15:18:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta remember to close my IRC client next time I put the laptop in hibernation
2021-03-01T15:18:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> are fortunes supposed to be so ranrom
2021-03-01T15:18:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yes
2021-03-01T15:18:22 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-03-01T15:18:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> fortunes are extremely random
2021-03-01T15:18:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder if you could use fortune files to salt an encryption cipher
2021-03-01T15:18:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody would ever guess
2021-03-01T15:19:04 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmmmmm
2021-03-01T15:19:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could use any block of text for that purpose really
2021-03-01T15:19:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait does the fortune program select a random line from that file
2021-03-01T15:19:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-01T15:20:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> or at least it does afaik
2021-03-01T15:20:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cool, kiss has its own fortune file
2021-03-01T15:20:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> entires are delimited and it randomly chooses one
2021-03-01T15:20:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> inspired by void linux I assume?
2021-03-01T15:20:12 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-03-01T15:20:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> neat
2021-03-01T15:20:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've actually never used void
2021-03-01T15:20:20 #kisslinux <acheam> to everything above
2021-03-01T15:20:31 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of distros have one actually
2021-03-01T15:20:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> slackware does
2021-03-01T15:20:38 #kisslinux * testuser_[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EsNDHlCUjfyLZhUzIVxcuJby/message.txt >
2021-03-01T15:20:43 #kisslinux <acheam> void, debian, arch, slackware, etc
2021-03-01T15:20:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> it also bullies you for sudo'ing wrong
2021-03-01T15:20:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is great
2021-03-01T15:21:38 #kisslinux <acheam> just add "Defaults instults" to your sudoers file to do that
2021-03-01T15:21:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't need sudo to yell at me too :(
2021-03-01T15:21:57 #kisslinux <acheam> not that many people use sudo on kiss
2021-03-01T15:22:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's okay dilyn I can yell at you instead
2021-03-01T15:22:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> thanks dad
2021-03-01T15:22:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> ya winning, son?
2021-03-01T15:22:30 #kisslinux <acheam> lol testuser_[m]
2021-03-01T15:22:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> new fortune entry, acheam
2021-03-01T15:23:19 #kisslinux <acheam> added :)
2021-03-01T15:23:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> if my biggest contribution to this project is a bunch of fucking meme quotes i swear to god
2021-03-01T15:23:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey it's okay
2021-03-01T15:23:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's my biggest contribution
2021-03-01T15:23:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably
2021-03-01T15:23:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> for now
2021-03-01T15:23:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> :tm:
2021-03-01T15:23:49 #kisslinux <acheam> and... added
2021-03-01T15:24:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> inb4 relver is 99 before end of day
2021-03-01T15:24:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> Nah I've got too many meetings today for that to happen :v
2021-03-01T15:25:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll have to shift into maximum overdrive then
2021-03-01T15:25:33 #kisslinux <acheam> woah sabotage linux has 1249 packages
2021-03-01T15:25:52 #kisslinux <acheam> most of them haven't been updated in years though
2021-03-01T15:26:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> that is like baby
2021-03-01T15:26:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> behold, SMGL
2021-03-01T15:26:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably like over 3000, most of which likely haven't been touched in over a decade
2021-03-01T15:26:52 #kisslinux <acheam> we're better than that
2021-03-01T15:26:56 #kisslinux <acheam> we have a graveyard
2021-03-01T15:27:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> we lay our dead to REST
2021-03-01T15:27:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> How does this single ataraxia dude keep 1200 packages up to date
2021-03-01T15:27:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably lots of automation
2021-03-01T15:27:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://repology.org/repository/ataraxia
2021-03-01T15:27:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> or he's a neet
2021-03-01T15:27:26 #kisslinux <acheam> holy
2021-03-01T15:27:39 #kisslinux <acheam> they probably automatically get updates from arch or void or something
2021-03-01T15:27:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I should probably get my packages in line with repology
2021-03-01T15:30:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> >tfw I have to open a second browser to check some shitty KYM article
2021-03-01T15:30:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> the absolute state of the modern web
2021-03-01T15:31:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Y'all should take a look at Scoop's automatic package updating system
2021-03-01T15:32:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Last time I checked, there was something like 1k packages and all of them were up to date
2021-03-01T15:32:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://github.com/lukesampson/scoop-extras
2021-03-01T15:32:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Also there was maybe 2 maintainers
2021-03-01T15:33:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, yes, the whole auto-update script is one giant hack but, well, it's remarkably efficient
2021-03-01T15:33:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> where is it
2021-03-01T15:33:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the script
2021-03-01T15:33:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> uhh
2021-03-01T15:34:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "Last time I checked" == 2 years ago, and the project was undergoing a huge refactoring frenzy then
2021-03-01T15:34:20 #kisslinux * kiedtl digs
2021-03-01T15:35:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> found it
2021-03-01T15:35:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://github.com/lukesampson/scoop, file bin/checkver.ps1 and bin/checkurl.ps1
2021-03-01T15:35:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> ps1?
2021-03-01T15:35:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yes, Scoop is written in PowerShell
2021-03-01T15:36:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ohgodno
2021-03-01T15:36:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's a Windows package manager, written by a Unix nerd
2021-03-01T15:36:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna go wash my eyes with bleach
2021-03-01T15:36:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or, was written, a bunch of Windows fanatics are now maintaining it :<
2021-03-01T15:36:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you know there are like
2021-03-01T15:36:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> people who use powershell
2021-03-01T15:36:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> but on linux
2021-03-01T15:36:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> i love windows package manager names lmao
2021-03-01T15:37:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> scoop buckets
2021-03-01T15:37:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's a travesty that chocoletey's packages are called bars instead
2021-03-01T15:37:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: what? where? and where's my coil of rope?
2021-03-01T15:37:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...what else would you call them?
2021-03-01T15:37:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> and there's a telegram gruop for it
2021-03-01T15:37:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *not called bars
2021-03-01T15:38:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> powershell users on linux is what it's called, I think
2021-03-01T15:38:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the bastards
2021-03-01T15:38:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're all cringe MCSA types anyway
2021-03-01T15:38:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> where's that koan about MCSAs...
2021-03-01T15:39:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/mcse.html
2021-03-01T15:39:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> mcse but whatever
2021-03-01T15:41:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-01T15:42:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> my college course has a section on MCSE crap that I'm supposed to be taking rn
2021-03-01T15:42:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like
2021-03-01T15:42:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-01T15:42:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> go away, redmond
2021-03-01T15:42:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just want a comfy unix admin job
2021-03-01T16:00:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <acheam> woah sabotage linux has 1249 packages
2021-03-01T16:00:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <acheam> most of them haven't been updated in years though
2021-03-01T16:00:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, i value stability more than being on bleeding edge
2021-03-01T16:01:06 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, not being updated in years is more than not being on the leeding edge, its neglect
2021-03-01T16:01:20 #kisslinux <acheam> you can have old package versions, but they need to stay patched and secure
2021-03-01T16:01:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since about 1 out of 3 package update brings some sort of regression... there's only so much a single dude can do to keep stuff working
2021-03-01T16:01:26 #kisslinux <acheam> see Debian
2021-03-01T16:01:56 #kisslinux <acheam> the solution? Have less packages.
2021-03-01T16:02:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, security... if you can actually exploit any CVE issue on my pc i give you a medal
2021-03-01T16:02:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> why? because it's impossible to know which combination of package version and CFLAGS i used
2021-03-01T16:03:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and to exploit a vuln you need to know some fixed addresses
2021-03-01T16:03:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's easy for debian and ubuntu where everybody and his dog use the same binaries
2021-03-01T16:04:25 #kisslinux <acheam> their version of firefox is 2 years old, no matter how you build it, thats a pretty major issue
2021-03-01T16:04:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah but no bigger an issue than the web in general
2021-03-01T16:04:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, because we (or i) use palemoon now
2021-03-01T16:05:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy fucking based
2021-03-01T16:05:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> firefox is just left in there in case somebody needs it
2021-03-01T16:05:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> brb switching to sabaton
2021-03-01T16:05:10 #kisslinux <acheam> so drop firefox then
2021-03-01T16:05:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> sabayon
2021-03-01T16:05:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> w/e
2021-03-01T16:05:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> sabotage
2021-03-01T16:05:24 #kisslinux * midfavila facedesks
2021-03-01T16:05:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> can users manage their own packages?
2021-03-01T16:05:30 #kisslinux <acheam> imo if you can't keep it updated, then it shouldn't be in the repo
2021-03-01T16:05:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sure
2021-03-01T16:05:34 #kisslinux <acheam> like how KISS does it
2021-03-01T16:05:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> then there's no real issue
2021-03-01T16:05:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's an issue if you want to use the program
2021-03-01T16:06:08 #kisslinux <acheam> so should kiss merge repo-graveyard back into repo-commmuntiy by that logic?
2021-03-01T16:06:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dunno, it's not my distro
2021-03-01T16:07:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you use pale moon, have you checked out the nuegia browser, btw?
2021-03-01T16:07:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no, it doesn't ring a bell
2021-03-01T16:07:27 #kisslinux <acheam> at it again, with the nuegia stuff lol
2021-03-01T16:07:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a fork of pale meme without any of the proprietary squigglies that MC and Tobin obsess over
2021-03-01T16:07:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> also runs a lot faster on my machine
2021-03-01T16:08:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thanks, will give it a glance
2021-03-01T16:08:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> lemme grab you the git repo
2021-03-01T16:08:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.nuegia.net/webbrowser.git/
2021-03-01T16:08:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah, the  nameless "webbrowser"
2021-03-01T16:08:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it doesn't actually have a name, formally, so everyone just calls it the nuegia browser
2021-03-01T16:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> personally I think "Nuegia Navigator" would be cool
2021-03-01T16:09:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not my project
2021-03-01T16:09:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, i've been looking at it but didnt get around to try it out yet
2021-03-01T16:09:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> If you can get it to build against musl, lemme know
2021-03-01T16:10:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> acheam, basically my PoV on security is that "if it's a network-interfacing app, then try to stay up-to-date"
2021-03-01T16:10:47 #kisslinux <acheam> right I agree with that
2021-03-01T16:10:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> like curl
2021-03-01T16:11:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but it's not like am reading CVE news every day for the 5 users of my distro
2021-03-01T16:11:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-01T16:11:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> also most CVEs are trivial at worst, from what I've seen
2021-03-01T16:12:03 #kisslinux <acheam> curl is out of date on sabotage by a few versions
2021-03-01T16:12:06 #kisslinux <acheam> but yeah I get that
2021-03-01T16:12:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...that and it seems like a lot of "security people" are less competent than they appear, at least in my experience
2021-03-01T16:13:07 #kisslinux <acheam> wget is too
2021-03-01T16:13:09 #kisslinux <acheam> by 2 years
2021-03-01T16:13:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, wget is standalone, curl a library
2021-03-01T16:13:27 #kisslinux <acheam> and youtube-dl as well
2021-03-01T16:13:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so curl is much more important to stay on top
2021-03-01T16:13:38 #kisslinux <acheam> and it hasn't been
2021-03-01T16:14:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, as i said, it's mostly only myself using the distro
2021-03-01T16:14:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've had like 2 years where i made almost daily updates, notified by a script
2021-03-01T16:14:42 #kisslinux <acheam> why do you need so may packages then?
2021-03-01T16:14:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> didn't bring me any more users, but a lot of work
2021-03-01T16:14:47 #kisslinux <acheam> Drop the ones you're not using
2021-03-01T16:14:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> he might just use them but only from time to time
2021-03-01T16:15:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have packages like that
2021-03-01T16:15:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yup
2021-03-01T16:15:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> see: intltool, perl, gettext, etc
2021-03-01T16:15:14 #kisslinux <acheam> lighttpd?
2021-03-01T16:15:26 #kisslinux <acheam> its 3 years out of date which is pretty unnaceptable for a web server
2021-03-01T16:15:34 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry, i've been a bit inflamatory in this discussion
2021-03-01T16:15:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, some user came, made a PR for it, i merged it, and the user disappeared
2021-03-01T16:15:47 #kisslinux <acheam> it's your distro, manage it how it pleases you
2021-03-01T16:15:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not using uhttpd
2021-03-01T16:16:09 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't that the openwrt one?
2021-03-01T16:16:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> at least the existing recipe helps easily updating it in most cases
2021-03-01T16:16:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> openwrt uses it yeah
2021-03-01T16:16:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> drop a new url and sha512, and it builds
2021-03-01T16:16:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> (unless they switched to fscking meson meanwhile :)
2021-03-01T16:16:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but build system of the week is great
2021-03-01T16:17:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> >link shortener
2021-03-01T16:17:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> man it's so difficult to guess what this song wil lbe
2021-03-01T16:17:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> will be*
2021-03-01T16:17:58 #kisslinux <acheam> how would you ever know?
2021-03-01T16:18:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> this song MUST CHANGE
2021-03-01T16:18:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-01T16:18:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> also you should put url to community repo in topic imo
2021-03-01T16:18:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you seriously fall for that dilyn
2021-03-01T16:18:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I did lol
2021-03-01T16:18:45 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-03-01T16:18:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It looked like the fortune file link from yesterday
2021-03-01T16:18:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's time we go back- b a c k- b   a   c   k-
2021-03-01T16:19:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I thought envs.net only had a pastebin, not a link shortener lmao
2021-03-01T16:19:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/I/I had/
2021-03-01T16:19:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> rip kissbot
2021-03-01T16:19:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ye i thought he uploaded the song as a file
2021-03-01T16:19:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> kissbot has been kill for a while
2021-03-01T16:19:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> revive it
2021-03-01T16:19:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> my MP is too low
2021-03-01T16:20:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think the netsplit killed it, it's still logged in apparently
2021-03-01T16:20:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yup, still online, just not in the channel
2021-03-01T16:20:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides you can't cast Raise on characters killed by story events
2021-03-01T16:20:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone who's played final fantasy knows this
2021-03-01T16:21:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just want to know what tunes we're reppin' :(
2021-03-01T16:22:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> be glad he didn't link meatspin or something
2021-03-01T16:22:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> jesus
2021-03-01T16:22:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> b&
2021-03-01T16:22:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-03-01T16:22:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> ban me harder
2021-03-01T16:23:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> +bbb
2021-03-01T16:23:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/bbb/vvv/
2021-03-01T16:23:23 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl> +vvv
2021-03-01T16:25:34 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl:  like most 0x0 instances, it has a pastebin, url shortner, and file storage
2021-03-01T16:25:42 #kisslinux <acheam> 10/10 service
2021-03-01T16:25:46 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila:  oh jeez
2021-03-01T16:25:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh, it *is* a 0x0 instance
2021-03-01T16:26:04 #kisslinux * midfavila cackles
2021-03-01T16:26:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> makes sense
2021-03-01T16:26:23 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah, I use it because of the sweet 2 letter urls
2021-03-01T16:26:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> also midfavila: that is an excellent example of why wayland is tricky ricky
2021-03-01T16:26:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> re trackpad disabling while typing
2021-03-01T16:26:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's handled by the compositor. Hikari has a man page thicker than an encyclopedia...
2021-03-01T16:27:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> gee who could have guessed that handing everything off to the compositor wasn't a great idea
2021-03-01T16:27:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thonk:
2021-03-01T16:27:10 #kisslinux <acheam> something something unix philosiphy
2021-03-01T16:27:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something changing your keymap with xorg
2021-03-01T16:27:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something do I need a xorg.conf
2021-03-01T16:27:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something how do i keyboard
2021-03-01T16:27:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> well idk about you but I change my keyboard layout by flashing firmware files
2021-03-01T16:28:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> man turns out i was a cuck the whole time huh
2021-03-01T16:28:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> why didn't I think of that!
2021-03-01T16:28:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> the starbucks and philosophy thing gave it away
2021-03-01T16:28:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-03-01T16:28:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i bet you use a filthy macbook too
2021-03-01T16:28:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2014 baybeeee
2021-03-01T16:28:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> h m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
2021-03-01T16:30:58 #kisslinux <acheam> should I include the @ prefix in the fortune file?
2021-03-01T16:31:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's harmless
2021-03-01T16:31:44 #kisslinux <acheam> it just makes it a touch confusing to see "<acheam>" in one and then "<@acheam>" in another
2021-03-01T16:31:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It doesn't matter really
2021-03-01T16:31:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> weel
2021-03-01T16:32:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think most users should be fairly familiar with IRC anyway
2021-03-01T16:32:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> just settle on whichever is easier for you
2021-03-01T16:32:17 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah thanks
2021-03-01T16:32:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> as long as it's consistent
2021-03-01T16:32:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> except the matrix heathens ofc
2021-03-01T16:32:31 #kisslinux <acheam> *cough cough* dilyn
2021-03-01T16:32:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah well they don't matter anyway
2021-03-01T16:33:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> Hey I was just trying it out(tm)
2021-03-01T16:33:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2021-03-01T16:33:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> opinion discarded
2021-03-01T16:33:18 #kisslinux <acheam> if it wasn't that a few key contributors already use matrix i'd support banning matrix connections
2021-03-01T16:33:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock:
2021-03-01T16:34:05 #kisslinux <acheam> matrix bridges break irc conventions
2021-03-01T16:34:16 #kisslinux * kiedtl sent a long message
2021-03-01T16:34:33 #kisslinux * acheam sent an image matrix.org/bfweaf9uhr3uhfadihfeui
2021-03-01T16:34:36 #kisslinux <acheam> hey check out this image!
2021-03-01T16:34:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm
2021-03-01T16:35:04 #kisslinux <acheam> also edited messages like that
2021-03-01T16:35:08 #kisslinux <acheam> * also edited messages like this
2021-03-01T16:35:25 #kisslinux <acheam> and double-sent messages
2021-03-01T16:35:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> that sent a long message thing must be annoying
2021-03-01T16:35:28 #kisslinux <acheam> and double-sent messages
2021-03-01T16:35:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cuz you gotta open a link
2021-03-01T16:35:37 #kisslinux <acheam> it doens't happen to often
2021-03-01T16:35:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-01T16:35:42 #kisslinux <acheam> s/to/too
2021-03-01T16:35:44 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> it doens't happen too often
2021-03-01T16:35:48 #kisslinux <acheam> but it is annoying when it does happen
2021-03-01T16:35:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just don't think too much about it. Just sort of... mentally discard the artifacts
2021-03-01T16:36:07 #kisslinux <konimex> man I think I'll start intentionally double message to annoy people
2021-03-01T16:36:11 #kisslinux <acheam> that requires a brain
2021-03-01T16:36:24 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex:  your bridge already double-messages enough :)
2021-03-01T16:36:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> weird, I've never seen double msgs in the log
2021-03-01T16:36:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> logbot
2021-03-01T16:37:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> same
2021-03-01T16:37:40 #kisslinux <acheam> oh, and replying to people
2021-03-01T16:37:49 #kisslinux <konimex> no idea, maybe just weird client, old logs indicate nothing from double messages
2021-03-01T16:37:54 #kisslinux <acheam> like this https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210301#c7081758
2021-03-01T16:38:10 #kisslinux <acheam> they come like once a day, its not a huge deal
2021-03-01T16:40:30 #kisslinux <konimex> current kiss irc looks more like kiss discord back in the day in terms of "discussion" anyway
2021-03-01T16:40:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> >KISS
2021-03-01T16:40:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> >Dicksword
2021-03-01T16:40:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> what level of heathenism is this
2021-03-01T16:41:02 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah, kiss used to be on discord before dylan moved it into irc
2021-03-01T16:41:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew
2021-03-01T16:41:15 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-03-01T16:41:32 #kisslinux <konimex> too many memers for my liking
2021-03-01T16:41:53 #kisslinux <acheam> if there were more people in this channel, a seperate watercooler channel would make sense, but we're only 65-80 people, so it doesn't really matter whether it gets OT
2021-03-01T16:41:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/memers/redditors/
2021-03-01T16:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can have memes and a good time and not be cringe
2021-03-01T16:42:21 #kisslinux <konimex> nah, they use words like "based" and such so pretty much doubt they're redditord
2021-03-01T16:42:28 #kisslinux <konimex> s/redditord/redditors/
2021-03-01T16:42:30 #kisslinux <kissbot> <konimex> nah, they use words like "based" and such so pretty much doubt they're redditors
2021-03-01T16:42:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-03-01T16:42:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I'm not hyper worried about OT chat because the number of participants is so small
2021-03-01T16:42:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i either agree with you or end up calling myself a redditor
2021-03-01T16:42:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> and it usually flows back and forth consistently pretty well
2021-03-01T16:42:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is worse
2021-03-01T16:43:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> also, irc based af
2021-03-01T16:43:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> also yeah dilyn is right
2021-03-01T16:43:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> on both statements
2021-03-01T16:43:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's only a handful of active users in this room
2021-03-01T16:43:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> so
2021-03-01T16:43:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't think i've talked to most people in the nicklist
2021-03-01T16:43:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, I haven't seen the majority of users in here contribute any meaningful discussion
2021-03-01T16:43:58 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of people are IRC squatters
2021-03-01T16:44:14 #kisslinux * kiedtl waves
2021-03-01T16:44:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> (Not here, but in a bunch of other channels)
2021-03-01T16:44:52 #kisslinux <konimex> kiedtl: tbf "meaningful" means different things depending on the person you're asking to
2021-03-01T16:45:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> meaningful is a stupid qualifier
2021-03-01T16:45:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> development work happens as is needed
2021-03-01T16:45:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean anything other than "hai repos dead ???" or "my fonts arent working!!"
2021-03-01T16:45:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> as long as off-topic shit doesn't prevent that, who cares
2021-03-01T16:45:40 #kisslinux <acheam> why are all the letters a blank square!??!?!?
2021-03-01T16:45:45 #kisslinux <jslick> I'm just a lurker
2021-03-01T16:45:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> lurkers btfo >:c
2021-03-01T16:46:19 #kisslinux <acheam> heya, jslick
2021-03-01T16:46:27 #kisslinux <acheam> oi midfavila we love our lurkers
2021-03-01T16:46:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> silence jannie
2021-03-01T16:46:38 #kisslinux * jslick waves
2021-03-01T16:47:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> btw, has there been any effort at gaining ownership of the github kisslinux org?
2021-03-01T16:47:13 #kisslinux <acheam> not to my knowlege
2021-03-01T16:47:20 #kisslinux <acheam> not something I personally want to take on
2021-03-01T16:47:31 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds like a lot of red tape and customer service BS to probably not get anywhere
2021-03-01T16:47:40 #kisslinux <konimex> don't think that will be possible
2021-03-01T16:47:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's also the fact that it's github
2021-03-01T16:47:40 #kisslinux <konimex> looking from the void precedent
2021-03-01T16:47:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> so
2021-03-01T16:47:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ?
2021-03-01T16:47:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> crack dylan's pw
2021-03-01T16:47:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> personally I still think we should move onto a self-hosted system
2021-03-01T16:47:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dylan123
2021-03-01T16:48:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh shit
2021-03-01T16:48:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> u rite
2021-03-01T16:48:09 #kisslinux <acheam> hunter2
2021-03-01T16:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> pa$$word
2021-03-01T16:48:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> i got that one from CNN's tech reporters
2021-03-01T16:48:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> those hackers will never figure it out
2021-03-01T16:48:52 #kisslinux <acheam> actually... if we get the k1ss.org domain, we could send a passowrd reset email and use it
2021-03-01T16:48:55 #kisslinux <acheam> but that might be fraud...
2021-03-01T16:49:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hehe
2021-03-01T16:49:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> definitely fraud
2021-03-01T16:49:13 #kisslinux <acheam> hey, its for a good cause
2021-03-01T16:49:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> is it illegal if nobody knows
2021-03-01T16:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes but fuck off
2021-03-01T16:49:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> is the correct answer
2021-03-01T16:49:25 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah impersonating dylan, good idea
2021-03-01T16:49:30 #kisslinux <konimex> seriously?
2021-03-01T16:49:32 #kisslinux <acheam> shh keep your voices down, they don't know this is a publically logged channel
2021-03-01T16:49:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> the real question is if github will let us use the domain for the kiss-community org because it's already linked to kisslinux lmfao
2021-03-01T16:49:48 #kisslinux <acheam> should be easy to check
2021-03-01T16:49:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe I can convince them i'm dylan and I just misspelled my name and lied about living in greece
2021-03-01T16:50:01 #kisslinux <acheam> just find some other org and copy their domain
2021-03-01T16:50:06 #kisslinux <acheam> believable
2021-03-01T16:50:10 #kisslinux <konimex> dilyn: the domain just won't be verified iirc
2021-03-01T16:50:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're our only hope dilyn
2021-03-01T16:50:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn ereps, maximum stealth
2021-03-01T16:50:30 #kisslinux <acheam> how do they verify it? DNS?
2021-03-01T16:50:56 #kisslinux <konimex> probably either DNS or a file
2021-03-01T16:51:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so if we own the domain why can't we do that and inform them of what has happened
2021-03-01T16:51:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but its github so...
2021-03-01T16:51:53 #kisslinux <konimex> do you really need that shiny verified status?
2021-03-01T16:52:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta have it
2021-03-01T16:52:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> blue checks are my crack
2021-03-01T16:52:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> TM
2021-03-01T16:52:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> the corporate consoomer
2021-03-01T16:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >lives for checks
2021-03-01T16:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >no actual opinions, just copies SNL skits
2021-03-01T16:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >uses MBP 2011
2021-03-01T16:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >drinks vanilla decaff soy lattes
2021-03-01T16:53:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> so, what's the plan? Are we contacting GitHub support or hacking dylan's account?
2021-03-01T16:53:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> yesn't
2021-03-01T16:53:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> ?
2021-03-01T16:53:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Neither
2021-03-01T16:54:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Honestly I don't think convincing them to give us kisslinux org is going to be that hard
2021-03-01T16:54:12 #kisslinux <konimex> just keep the status quo, I guess? taking kisslinux back isn't exactly urgent and dylan is practically BDFL of kisslinux (the repo)
2021-03-01T16:54:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's worth a try
2021-03-01T16:54:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-03-01T16:54:26 #kisslinux <konimex> s/repo/org/
2021-03-01T16:54:27 #kisslinux <kissbot> <konimex> just keep the status quo, I guess? taking kisslinux back isn't exactly urgent and dylan is practically BDFL of kisslinux (the org)
2021-03-01T16:54:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but github is m$ now, so
2021-03-01T16:54:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think it matters
2021-03-01T16:54:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> because gh is lame
2021-03-01T16:54:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> We're using gh rn anyways
2021-03-01T16:54:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it was meant as a backup anyway
2021-03-01T16:54:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've heard customer service really went down hill
2021-03-01T16:54:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder why
2021-03-01T16:55:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmmmmmmm
2021-03-01T16:55:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> If we use GH we may as well grab the actual org
2021-03-01T16:55:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> solution is to not use gh
2021-03-01T16:55:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> your best bet is probably contacting the CEO via a tweet from an account with many followers
2021-03-01T16:55:25 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-01T16:55:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> get linus media group to do it
2021-03-01T16:55:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hey @nate we need access to that repo
2021-03-01T16:55:36 #kisslinux <acheam> anthony reviews KISS Linux?
2021-03-01T16:55:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> luke. smith.
2021-03-01T16:55:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock:
2021-03-01T16:55:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's gonna happen
2021-03-01T16:55:51 #kisslinux <acheam> distrotube?
2021-03-01T16:55:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> diet luke smith
2021-03-01T16:56:12 #kisslinux <acheam> mental outlaw?
2021-03-01T16:56:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> he's okay
2021-03-01T16:56:21 #kisslinux <konimex> the Void precedent exists though and if dilyn (or anyone else) take over there's that possibility that dilyn disappears
2021-03-01T16:56:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> chris titus
2021-03-01T16:56:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol
2021-03-01T16:56:38 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't think void is a precedent, the context was completely different
2021-03-01T16:56:40 #kisslinux <konimex> don't think it's even worth a try to waste resource on to be honest
2021-03-01T16:56:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> if dilyn is kill then we just elect another bdfl
2021-03-01T16:56:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> they just grow on trees after all
2021-03-01T16:56:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I agree with konimex
2021-03-01T16:56:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-01T16:57:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> can confirm; grew on a willow tree for fifteen years
2021-03-01T16:57:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> >willow
2021-03-01T16:57:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> explains everything
2021-03-01T16:57:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's why i cry so much
2021-03-01T16:57:41 #kisslinux <konimex> what different context? xtraeme disappeared one time, voidlinux isn't maintained, duncaen and bunch of other people decided to create void-linux
2021-03-01T16:57:46 #kisslinux <konimex> same thing
2021-03-01T16:58:00 #kisslinux <acheam> xtraeme was hostile
2021-03-01T16:58:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> why couldn't we have an oak bdfl
2021-03-01T16:58:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-01T16:58:39 #kisslinux <konimex> that's *after* his kicking out from void-linux
2021-03-01T16:58:46 #kisslinux <konimex> that's the "different context"
2021-03-01T16:59:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't know if it's very apt to compare KISS to most other distros
2021-03-01T16:59:19 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-03-01T16:59:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, at its core, KISS is literally just a package manager
2021-03-01T16:59:24 #kisslinux <acheam> void also depends on their leaders
2021-03-01T16:59:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and a set of ideals
2021-03-01T16:59:26 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss doens't
2021-03-01T16:59:37 #kisslinux <konimex> KISS doesn't use apt so I don't know why you mention it
2021-03-01T16:59:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> apt is a word
2021-03-01T16:59:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-01T16:59:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so why don't you just try it, it costs nuthing but an email
2021-03-01T17:00:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if it doesn't work, well, another github account it is
2021-03-01T17:00:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> we already have another git ord
2021-03-01T17:00:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> org*
2021-03-01T17:00:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao apt
2021-03-01T17:00:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah
2021-03-01T17:00:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> konimex should be our next-in-line bdfl
2021-03-01T17:00:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> switch kiss to apt
2021-03-01T17:00:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know that getting the github org is actually important tho
2021-03-01T17:01:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not
2021-03-01T17:01:12 #kisslinux <konimex> like I said, I don't see the point of even trying it
2021-03-01T17:01:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I don't know why we're still focused on it
2021-03-01T17:01:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only real benefit of github is muh hosting
2021-03-01T17:01:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no, it's visibility
2021-03-01T17:01:34 #kisslinux <konimex> who brought up taking over github org anyway
2021-03-01T17:01:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're interested in kiss you're just going to join the IRC
2021-03-01T17:01:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> or look it up
2021-03-01T17:01:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're such a brainlet that you look for new distros on github, go away
2021-03-01T17:02:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> like fr
2021-03-01T17:02:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> recall the nineties where everyone had his own cool homepage with a couple tarballs of his leet sw projects
2021-03-01T17:02:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> pretty hard to get anyone there
2021-03-01T17:02:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> recall literally today where most distros still have their own cool homepages
2021-03-01T17:02:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> "cool"
2021-03-01T17:02:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and still provide tarballs or packages or whatever through them
2021-03-01T17:03:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not saying we just wing it or something, but caring about kiss' adoption rates is kinda dumb
2021-03-01T17:03:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> today when i look for something i just go to github search
2021-03-01T17:03:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> for example "quickjs" to find projects using it
2021-03-01T17:03:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> that sounds like a you thing no offense
2021-03-01T17:04:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-01T17:04:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> everyone so fiesty today
2021-03-01T17:04:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm always fiesty
2021-03-01T17:04:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> but getting smacked in the face by a frying pan and not having cream for my tea made me extra fiesty
2021-03-01T17:04:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sounds like an ubuntu release
2021-03-01T17:04:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> fiesty fucker
2021-03-01T17:04:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-01T17:05:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> that should be my project role
2021-03-01T17:05:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss linux/fiesty fucker/midfavila
2021-03-01T17:05:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> perfect
2021-03-01T17:05:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah there's that site that indexes UNIX distros
2021-03-01T17:05:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's pretty commonly used for getting info
2021-03-01T17:05:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then there's also the fact that a lot of people just go on reddoot
2021-03-01T17:06:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> or some other social media site
2021-03-01T17:06:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> point is
2021-03-01T17:06:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> we don't benefit much from github in terms of muh visibility
2021-03-01T17:06:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least that's what I think. feel free to btfo me
2021-03-01T17:07:12 #kisslinux <soliwilos> "sounds like an ubuntu release"
2021-03-01T17:07:14 #kisslinux <soliwilos> "fiesty fucker"
2021-03-01T17:07:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually
2021-03-01T17:07:24 #kisslinux <soliwilos> This made me really laugh out loud.. lol
2021-03-01T17:07:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> if we're adding anything to the fortune file
2021-03-01T17:07:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam get on it
2021-03-01T17:07:37 #kisslinux <acheam> already done :)
2021-03-01T17:07:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> after i checked out 2 kiss repos github's startpage was recommending me kiss stuff over and over
2021-03-01T17:07:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> v based
2021-03-01T17:07:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow I love microsoft now
2021-03-01T17:08:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> shows that they care about the little guy
2021-03-01T17:08:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> fiesty WAS an ubuntu release. Fiesty Fawn. One of my first
2021-03-01T17:08:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> wasnt it feisty
2021-03-01T17:08:43 #kisslinux <acheam> fistey
2021-03-01T17:08:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> you say feisty, I say focker
2021-03-01T17:08:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lmao
2021-03-01T17:08:55 #kisslinux <acheam> feisty
2021-03-01T17:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> >fistey
2021-03-01T17:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're not gonna go there
2021-03-01T17:12:59 #kisslinux <acheam> we're already on relver 5
2021-03-01T17:13:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-03-01T17:13:05 #kisslinux <acheam> and its been like 3 hours
2021-03-01T17:14:24 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> out of curiosity.. for those people against the use of matrix clients, is there an alternative solution that works well on mobile? i have only stuck with it for convenience (and laziness).
2021-03-01T17:14:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> an IRC client
2021-03-01T17:14:41 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> which
2021-03-01T17:14:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-01T17:14:46 #kisslinux <dgre> yaaic
2021-03-01T17:14:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol
2021-03-01T17:14:49 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sigh
2021-03-01T17:14:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> got im
2021-03-01T17:14:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use revolution
2021-03-01T17:14:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like
2021-03-01T17:15:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're a KISS user I either expect you don't have a phone
2021-03-01T17:15:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> or you're using a rooted android
2021-03-01T17:15:15 #kisslinux <dgre> YAAIC
2021-03-01T17:15:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> no yelling
2021-03-01T17:15:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a quiet place
2021-03-01T17:15:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> for solemn contemplation
2021-03-01T17:15:59 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lol.
2021-03-01T17:16:02 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  ZNC
2021-03-01T17:16:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is a meme chat for yelling into the void
2021-03-01T17:16:15 #kisslinux <acheam> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
2021-03-01T17:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you stare into #kisslinux for long enough, #kisslinux will stare back
2021-03-01T17:16:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you won't like that
2021-03-01T17:16:41 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i’m on iphone at the moment. which sucks.
2021-03-01T17:16:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> >iPhone
2021-03-01T17:16:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-01T17:16:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> bad
2021-03-01T17:16:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't make me get the newspaper
2021-03-01T17:17:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: i have been meaning to set it up.
2021-03-01T17:17:14 #kisslinux <acheam> I just use it hosted at znc.envs.net
2021-03-01T17:17:36 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila:  mine's not rooted, but it is lineageos
2021-03-01T17:17:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just use an old blackberry
2021-03-01T17:17:49 #kisslinux <acheam> ...and relver 6
2021-03-01T17:18:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> although for a while I did have a GNU userland on it
2021-03-01T17:18:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> using nano on a blackberry is p good
2021-03-01T17:18:07 #kisslinux <acheam> whatnow
2021-03-01T17:18:17 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "I just use it hosted at znc.envs"> will have to check that one out.
2021-03-01T17:18:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, yeah, I just cross-compiled it using the blackberry SDK and sent it over the wire
2021-03-01T17:18:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> is this sacrilege, or cancer? i can't tell
2021-03-01T17:18:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-01T17:19:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> completely unironically I used a QNX tty on my phone as my primary computing environment for about a month and a half
2021-03-01T17:19:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally fight me, iToddlers
2021-03-01T17:19:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would rather have both of my thumbs sewn up my own ass and be forced to use TTS for a year than use a TTY on my phone
2021-03-01T17:20:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually it's nice
2021-03-01T17:20:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> my bb passport has an... i think it's called ortholinear? keyboard
2021-03-01T17:20:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> It can't be and I refuse to accept the remote possibility that it's the case
2021-03-01T17:20:25 #kisslinux <acheam> yep, ortholinear
2021-03-01T17:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway yeah it has a really nice keyboard
2021-03-01T17:20:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the screen is 1:1
2021-03-01T17:20:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you can fit an assload of text on it
2021-03-01T17:21:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I would love to load kisslinux onto my phone and wipe OS10
2021-03-01T17:21:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's hardware checks in place and the bootloader is locked anyway
2021-03-01T17:21:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> so
2021-03-01T17:22:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway brb checking usenet
2021-03-01T17:23:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> still nothing good...
2021-03-01T17:23:29 #kisslinux * midfavila sighs
2021-03-01T17:23:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mcpcpc[m] is the Element (Riot.IM new name) client considered a matrix client?
2021-03-01T17:23:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-03-01T17:24:06 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> that’s what i use :)
2021-03-01T17:24:20 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ominous_anonymou: so yes
2021-03-01T17:24:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> are you just looking for a persistent bridge or anything specific feature-wise?
2021-03-01T17:25:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> a persistent bridge is what I need to look into. I want to be able to use my phone but I get throttled constantly and always end up disconnecting
2021-03-01T17:25:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what does a persistent bridge mean
2021-03-01T17:26:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-03-01T17:26:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> a bridge is something that stays connected for you
2021-03-01T17:26:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you don't miss stuff
2021-03-01T17:26:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then you just connect to the bridge instead of directly to the server
2021-03-01T17:26:25 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> honestly, i just want something that is “bare metal” and no bridge.  i have been considering buying a pinephone for some time now.  can’t escape ios entirely due to work.
2021-03-01T17:26:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> if my employer required me to use ishit i'd quit
2021-03-01T17:27:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> he probably works @ apl
2021-03-01T17:27:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-01T17:27:23 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> god no
2021-03-01T17:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> somehow I feel like anyone involved in an obscure hobbyist distro wouldn't be working at FAANG
2021-03-01T17:27:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> I used AndroIRC for a while, it was... ok
2021-03-01T17:29:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> where i work, linux is a foreign concept.  it’s pretty sad
2021-03-01T17:29:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with my school
2021-03-01T17:29:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's plenty of logs of me bitching about it
2021-03-01T17:30:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> my girlfriend got an internship at apl that's about as close as I think we can get
2021-03-01T17:30:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> apple shill detected
2021-03-01T17:30:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @dilyn I use https://thelounge.chat/ but I don't get on IRC on my phone, so something like ZNC like acheam uses probably fits your use case better
2021-03-01T17:30:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a commodore chat now
2021-03-01T17:30:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> best phone in the world was the iphone 4 and you can't convince me otherwise
2021-03-01T17:30:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey wow fuck you
2021-03-01T17:30:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> blackberry is leagues better than applel
2021-03-01T17:31:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> my favorite that i've had or used was the droid turbo 2
2021-03-01T17:37:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I really liked my $12 amazon.com feature phone
2021-03-01T17:37:51 #kisslinux <acheam> it was an awesome deal
2021-03-01T17:37:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> feature phones are cool
2021-03-01T17:38:01 #kisslinux <acheam> but ATT stopped supporting 2G so I had to switch
2021-03-01T17:38:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> except that they're more "feature" than "phone" now
2021-03-01T17:38:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just want my StarTAC to work again ;w;
2021-03-01T17:42:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> acheam, btw one thing i forgot to mention is that sabotage supports 5 different cpu archs and crosscompiling onto those. often updates break that, and its a lot of work to check
2021-03-01T17:43:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I understand that sabotage is a pretty different situation than KISS
2021-03-01T17:43:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> once i got a package working i rather leave it in there just to delete it a year later because i didnt get around to update it to latest
2021-03-01T17:44:16 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex:  dilyn:  BTW I don't think anyone was suggesting Gemini as the only site, just a mirror
2021-03-01T17:49:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh my, a gemini-only distro
2021-03-01T17:49:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> how avant-garde
2021-03-01T17:53:17 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm considering forking kiss to support gemini sources
2021-03-01T17:53:28 #kisslinux <acheam> actually, i'm just going to do that right now
2021-03-01T17:53:34 #kisslinux <acheam> itt'l be like 2 lines of code extra
2021-03-01T17:53:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> please do
2021-03-01T17:53:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually, while we're at it
2021-03-01T17:53:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> could we like
2021-03-01T17:53:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe make a kiss-patches repo
2021-03-01T17:54:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> for exactly what it says on the tin?
2021-03-01T17:54:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> suckless-style?
2021-03-01T17:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-01T17:54:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what kind of patches would it have
2021-03-01T17:54:17 #kisslinux <acheam> oooh
2021-03-01T17:54:23 #kisslinux <acheam> i like that
2021-03-01T17:54:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> more like a wiki because of shell and not C
2021-03-01T17:54:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> but basically, tips and tricks, ways to make it more compliant or capable
2021-03-01T17:54:43 #kisslinux <acheam> it could just go into the contrib folder of kiss
2021-03-01T17:54:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-03-01T17:54:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but things that might not be suitable in a "reference" implementation
2021-03-01T17:54:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, sure
2021-03-01T17:55:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then there's the problem of someone going "hmm I'd really like to see what patches there are for kiss" and not being able to differentiate between regular software and kiss mods
2021-03-01T17:55:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus, these wouldn't necessarily be things that would be "extensions"
2021-03-01T17:55:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example, having the option to use alternative file downloading utilities has real benefits, but it's non-standard behavior
2021-03-01T17:56:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with gemini support
2021-03-01T17:56:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >alternative file downloading utilities
2021-03-01T17:56:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> such as... aria2?
2021-03-01T17:56:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> aria2, or in my case axel
2021-03-01T17:56:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I imagine some people might prefer wget
2021-03-01T17:56:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> point is to provide the choice
2021-03-01T17:56:59 #kisslinux * kiedtl looks aria2/axel up, still has no solid idea of what they really are
2021-03-01T17:57:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so
2021-03-01T17:57:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr
2021-03-01T17:57:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> aria2 is the perl of download accelerators
2021-03-01T17:57:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> it can handle HTTP/S, torrents, youtube, whatever
2021-03-01T17:57:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> very fast, has error recovery and resuming, etc
2021-03-01T17:57:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> axel is basically aria2 but stripped down to just HTTP/S and FTP
2021-03-01T17:58:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a little faster, a lot lighter, and based on my test runs with KISS, works just fine as a replacement for curl
2021-03-01T17:58:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...although most of my personal packages are git pulls, which I need to get around to changing
2021-03-01T17:59:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, reading about them rn
2021-03-01T17:59:40 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-03-01T18:02:30 #kisslinux <dgre> Thankfully i did use tarballs when i could ^_^
2021-03-01T18:09:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I dunno about you guys, but when was the last time you actually sat down and read a real book just... for fun?
2021-03-01T18:10:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> too many devault rants to read, i don't have time for petty things like reading for fun
2021-03-01T18:10:12 #kisslinux <acheam> a few years...
2021-03-01T18:10:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> that goddamn devault
2021-03-01T18:10:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like in my case it's been at least half a decade
2021-03-01T18:11:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> the last time I sat down and read a book for fun, no other reason, was when I read Neuromancer
2021-03-01T18:11:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> such a good book
2021-03-01T18:11:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but confusing
2021-03-01T18:12:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i think my last one was a Jack Reacher novel a year ago or so.  Tends to go in spurts, depending on what books I have available to me and whether I have any time
2021-03-01T18:13:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been trying to read the same three books for the last few years
2021-03-01T18:13:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> too dense
2021-03-01T18:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't find I have issues with density
2021-03-01T18:13:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just like
2021-03-01T18:13:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's so much other stuff that I feel I should be doing
2021-03-01T18:13:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ^ yep me too
2021-03-01T18:14:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> no time for fun when I need to calculate my budget for the next six months, set up a media server (ironic), optimize my laptop's power usage and workstation's performance, read the shitty textbook from school, refine my kernel config, etc
2021-03-01T18:14:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of that is self-imposed but still
2021-03-01T18:27:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> kinda wanna order takeout food
2021-03-01T18:27:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also only monday and I don't want to hit my "once per week" limit
2021-03-01T18:28:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> easy: just order like ten meals' worth of food
2021-03-01T18:28:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> now *that* is a bigged-brained move
2021-03-01T18:29:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly the thing that bugs me the most is that the only stores that do delivery in my city that don't require I engage with the gig economy is the local Dominos, and (of all places) KFC
2021-03-01T18:29:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> KFC is pricey and I eat pizza all the time so
2021-03-01T18:29:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-03-01T18:29:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oof
2021-03-01T18:29:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-01T18:29:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> real first-worlder hours
2021-03-01T18:30:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd go out to eat but all the busses have been shut down
2021-03-01T18:30:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what do you mean by gig economy?  how is dominoes and kfc different
2021-03-01T18:30:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you mean that doesn't use like UberEats/DoorDash type delivery services?
2021-03-01T18:30:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> gig economy as in like, uber or something
2021-03-01T18:30:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-01T18:31:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> where you get paid a flat rate and aren't given any rights or anything
2021-03-01T18:31:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> dominos and KFC just send one of their regular employees out
2021-03-01T18:31:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence why I said it was weird that KFC did it
2021-03-01T18:31:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh interesting
2021-03-01T18:31:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dominos by me has dedicated drivers
2021-03-01T18:32:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> where are the delivery robots when you need them!
2021-03-01T18:33:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I should make one
2021-03-01T18:33:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> make a drone, write a control program using LISP
2021-03-01T18:33:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> perfect
2021-03-01T18:39:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> make a remote control gui using Xaw
2021-03-01T18:39:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> y e s
2021-03-01T18:39:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> make sure to host it on sourcehut and explicitly label it as will-never-support-wayland-ever
2021-03-01T18:40:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> name it ddevault's default remote
2021-03-01T18:40:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/remote/drewmote/
2021-03-01T18:40:16 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> name it ddevault's default drewmote
2021-03-01T18:40:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> these are all very good ideas
2021-03-01T18:47:06 #kisslinux <acheam> ddevault comes up and uncomfortable amount in this channel
2021-03-01T18:47:17 #kisslinux <acheam> like, more than even #cmpwn, which is his own god damn channel
2021-03-01T18:47:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> he pissed in our issue tracker
2021-03-01T18:48:10 #kisslinux <acheam> 1 year ago
2021-03-01T18:48:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> nevar forgetti
2021-03-01T18:48:23 #kisslinux <acheam> and it's not like many people even saw it
2021-03-01T18:48:33 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty much just him, koonimex, and dylan
2021-03-01T18:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> nevar
2021-03-01T18:48:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> forgetti
2021-03-01T18:49:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm just so obsessed with this opinionated man
2021-03-01T18:49:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody except me is allowed to have opinions
2021-03-01T18:50:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Holy moly ddevault came in here? I wish I was around then
2021-03-01T18:50:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> >.>
2021-03-01T18:50:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: May I have a link
2021-03-01T18:50:35 #kisslinux <acheam> just in the issue tracker
2021-03-01T18:50:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-01T18:50:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec
2021-03-01T18:50:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's come UP in here, conversation-wise
2021-03-01T18:51:00 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/issues/99
2021-03-01T18:51:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-01T18:51:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: oh I misunderstood then
2021-03-01T18:51:19 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/issues/100
2021-03-01T18:51:41 #kisslinux <acheam> issues 99 and 100, easy to remember
2021-03-01T18:51:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah, of course. anti-xorg horseshit
2021-03-01T18:51:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> devault is just a maximum level waylet
2021-03-01T18:51:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm so tired of this anti-xorg horsehit
2021-03-01T18:52:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> opinions are immediately disregarded
2021-03-01T18:52:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> people are like "oh but mid gahnome and kaydeee use it"
2021-03-01T18:52:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> but who fucking cares
2021-03-01T18:53:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> outside of being provided *as an option* in those two cases, nobody uses it
2021-03-01T18:53:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> ahem
2021-03-01T18:54:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >nobody
2021-03-01T18:54:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well, that's a bit unfair
2021-03-01T18:54:17 #kisslinux * dilyn cries
2021-03-01T18:54:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> gee guys my notification just went off but I can't see anything
2021-03-01T18:54:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird
2021-03-01T18:54:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's an ugly cry too
2021-03-01T18:54:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> huh
2021-03-01T18:54:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >ugly cry
2021-03-01T18:54:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> maximum blubbering!
2021-03-01T18:54:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's that willow dna
2021-03-01T18:55:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ahh, makes sense
2021-03-01T18:55:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> An ugly cry would go best with dilyn's mug, too, I suppose
2021-03-01T18:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I wish that like
2021-03-01T18:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> subway
2021-03-01T18:58:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> would deliver
2021-03-01T18:59:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't have sandwich stuff right now
2021-03-01T18:59:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> :/
2021-03-01T18:59:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so huh gnu nano has seen like two dozen releases since i last updated it, but guess what - i don't give a shit because the version i use works perfectly for me
2021-03-01T19:00:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE OUT OF DATE SOFTWARE!
2021-03-01T19:00:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2021-03-01T19:00:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> think of muh securideee :D
2021-03-01T19:01:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> muh security nazis :>
2021-03-01T19:01:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> heil CVE
2021-03-01T19:01:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> o/
2021-03-01T19:02:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-01T19:02:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay you know what
2021-03-01T19:02:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just gonna order pizza
2021-03-01T19:02:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I need you guys to help me out
2021-03-01T19:02:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> what should I put on it
2021-03-01T19:02:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> garlic
2021-03-01T19:03:05 #kisslinux <acheam> mushroom and meatball
2021-03-01T19:03:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay well meatballs aren't an option but beef and sausage are
2021-03-01T19:03:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> anchovies
2021-03-01T19:03:24 #kisslinux <acheam> mushroom and beef
2021-03-01T19:03:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> anchovies are also not an option
2021-03-01T19:03:35 #kisslinux <acheam> make it an option
2021-03-01T19:03:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yum, mushroon and beef
2021-03-01T19:03:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> write a letter to dominos then
2021-03-01T19:03:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> send some over
2021-03-01T19:04:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I get the pizza sauce replaced with garlic ranch, double cheese, some mushrooms, black olives, sausage and steak
2021-03-01T19:04:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugh why is nmatrix such a pain
2021-03-01T19:05:25 #kisslinux <zola> Sorry to bother, but i am trying to install KISS and every time i set KISS_PATH it just gets ignored
2021-03-01T19:05:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you echo'd it
2021-03-01T19:05:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> just to make sure
2021-03-01T19:05:51 #kisslinux <zola> "kiss search *" just outputs thing from /var/db/kiss/installed/
2021-03-01T19:06:02 #kisslinux <zola> yes, i have echoed it
2021-03-01T19:06:22 #kisslinux <acheam> the number of times I accidentally close a tab when I'm trying to C-w a word will typing!
2021-03-01T19:06:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> searching for that string on my box just lists everything
2021-03-01T19:06:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-01T19:06:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> >using emacs
2021-03-01T19:06:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> you deserve this
2021-03-01T19:06:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you sure the paths are correct? :v
2021-03-01T19:06:51 #kisslinux <zola> yes
2021-03-01T19:06:51 #kisslinux <jslick> make sure it's `export` ed
2021-03-01T19:07:04 #kisslinux <zola> let me check the export thing
2021-03-01T19:07:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is why I took the time to write a small script to autogenerate a path listing
2021-03-01T19:07:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> that way nothing can be missed
2021-03-01T19:07:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> wym
2021-03-01T19:08:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> export KISS_PATH=$(du /var/db/kiss/repos -d2 | cut -f 2 | grep -v \. | sort | tr 'n' ':')
2021-03-01T19:08:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wrote this abomination a few days ago
2021-03-01T19:08:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> why tf
2021-03-01T19:08:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> automatically adds any directory up to two levels of recursion under /var/db/kiss/repos to the path
2021-03-01T19:08:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is convenient
2021-03-01T19:08:53 #kisslinux <dgre> Thanks mid
2021-03-01T19:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> it should work
2021-03-01T19:09:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's uh
2021-03-01T19:09:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> clunky
2021-03-01T19:09:31 #kisslinux <acheam> awk would do that much easier
2021-03-01T19:09:32 #kisslinux <zola> not exporting KISS_PATH was the problem
2021-03-01T19:09:35 #kisslinux <zola> thanks
2021-03-01T19:09:38 #kisslinux <acheam> yay!
2021-03-01T19:09:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah awk would be way better
2021-03-01T19:09:45 #kisslinux <acheam> make sure you're on kiss-community
2021-03-01T19:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'm an awk brainlet as it stands
2021-03-01T19:10:14 #kisslinux <acheam> I too am an awk brainlet, but learning
2021-03-01T19:10:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> much more used to manipulating the filesystem than stdio
2021-03-01T19:10:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> you guys must use a lot of repos if this is a problem you have solve with five pipes ngl
2021-03-01T19:10:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah you could probably solve it with two
2021-03-01T19:10:41 #kisslinux <acheam> unix 2.0 = every byte is a file
2021-03-01T19:10:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> any number of pipes
2021-03-01T19:10:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-03-01T19:10:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use my repos, the core, and the community
2021-03-01T19:11:31 #kisslinux <acheam> wow, you don't use my repo? how rude
2021-03-01T19:11:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just don't like constantly typing export KISS_PATH=/var/db/kiss/repo/core:/var/db/kiss/extra:/var/db/kiss/xorg:etc
2021-03-01T19:11:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's why you put it in /etc/profile.d/
2021-03-01T19:11:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes I know
2021-03-01T19:12:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's what I do
2021-03-01T19:12:04 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/mrr4liB.png
2021-03-01T19:12:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I install KISS a lot
2021-03-01T19:12:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> I actively encourage people to not use my repos xD
2021-03-01T19:12:06 #kisslinux <acheam> this is how I do mine
2021-03-01T19:12:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> "of course, the solution to this problem is recursion"
2021-03-01T19:12:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-01T19:12:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm never going to forget that quote dilyn
2021-03-01T19:13:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually you know what
2021-03-01T19:13:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> that should be part of the quotesfile too
2021-03-01T19:13:21 #kisslinux <acheam> on it
2021-03-01T19:13:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-01T19:13:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> Math professors nut over recursion
2021-03-01T19:13:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> "you sound like a level 200 CS prof.
2021-03-01T19:13:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> 'Of course, the solution to this is recursion.'"
2021-03-01T19:13:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> my whole post secondary education was uncomfortable
2021-03-01T19:14:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> my entire education is uncomfortable
2021-03-01T19:14:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i hate that I have to keep attending
2021-03-01T19:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if I stop the gubbermint stops delivering neetbux
2021-03-01T19:14:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then I can't buy pizza
2021-03-01T19:14:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> or parts
2021-03-01T19:14:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You could stop and get a job
2021-03-01T19:14:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> god forbid
2021-03-01T19:15:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Infiltrate the corporate world with KISS, why not?
2021-03-01T19:15:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> somehow I don't think most people care about "yeah btw I use KISS linux"
2021-03-01T19:15:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-03-01T19:15:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> two weeks ago I asked HR for a copy of the employment agreement I signed with BNY becuase I can't find it anywhere
2021-03-01T19:15:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> it got escalated to a level 3 rep and she said 'i'm sorry can you be more specific'
2021-03-01T19:15:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> see if people hired based on merit instead of certs I could probably get a job as a junior sysadmin rn
2021-03-01T19:16:01 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn:  what do you do?
2021-03-01T19:16:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> unsure what part of "why can I be fired" was unspecific, but yeah
2021-03-01T19:16:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> I work for a bank
2021-03-01T19:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-03-01T19:16:25 #kisslinux <acheam> ah so you're in a perfect position to eat the rich
2021-03-01T19:16:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm very tempted to just drop out of college myself and try to get a job as a sysadmin tbh
2021-03-01T19:16:32 #kisslinux <acheam> prime access
2021-03-01T19:16:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly
2021-03-01T19:16:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think i would want to sysadmin for a large company
2021-03-01T19:16:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> if only :'(  I spend most of my time sucking their money manager's dick
2021-03-01T19:17:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the ebic leet hackerone route doesn't appeal to me either
2021-03-01T19:17:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just want to work for like a small-medium local business
2021-03-01T19:17:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> and just kinda like
2021-03-01T19:17:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> vibe
2021-03-01T19:17:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and shit
2021-03-01T19:17:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk
2021-03-01T19:18:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> all I know is that I'm not going back to warehouse work or fast food
2021-03-01T19:18:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> did that when I dropped out of HS for a few years, god
2021-03-01T19:18:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> worst idea ever
2021-03-01T19:20:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> vibin' is what i do best on the clock
2021-03-01T19:21:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically I just don't want to get shoehorned into working to live. that doesn't seem a very healthy thing to do
2021-03-01T19:21:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd much rather just sorta... show up, do my job, collect my pay, go home
2021-03-01T19:21:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> no stupid "company parties", no scrum rituals, no managers constantly breathing down my neck waiting to capitalize on the tiniest of mistakes
2021-03-01T19:22:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> just... do my job.
2021-03-01T19:22:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I'm just immature. who knows
2021-03-01T19:22:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway
2021-03-01T19:23:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> on that note
2021-03-01T19:23:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> pizza
2021-03-01T19:32:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> bizza has been acquired
2021-03-01T19:42:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey looky there; rnp supports the same options gpg does
2021-03-01T19:42:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> they're just every so slightly different :|
2021-03-01T19:42:24 #kisslinux <acheam> huh, i've never heard of rnp
2021-03-01T19:42:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> same
2021-03-01T19:42:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> guessing it's an alt implementation of pgp?
2021-03-01T19:42:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/rnpgp/rnp
2021-03-01T19:42:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah
2021-03-01T19:42:47 #kisslinux <acheam> yes, derived from NetPGP
2021-03-01T19:43:00 #kisslinux <acheam> unfortunately gnupg is a dep for tons of packages I have
2021-03-01T19:43:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >uses cmake
2021-03-01T19:43:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> discarded
2021-03-01T19:43:14 #kisslinux <acheam> what do you have against CMAKE?
2021-03-01T19:43:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> it takes many times longer to compile on my system than even gcc
2021-03-01T19:43:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's quite bulky
2021-03-01T19:43:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, fuck
2021-03-01T19:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mesa
2021-03-01T19:43:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> MESA compiles faster than cmake
2021-03-01T19:43:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> of all things
2021-03-01T19:43:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you have cmake installed already it's a fair bit faster
2021-03-01T19:43:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ccache baby
2021-03-01T19:44:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not going to keep a bloated piece of garbage on my system
2021-03-01T19:44:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just keep all my big make-time deps in a separate folder to keep around so i don't have to rebuild them :v
2021-03-01T19:44:14 #kisslinux <acheam> ? You'd rather re-compile it every time
2021-03-01T19:44:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i prune obsessively
2021-03-01T19:44:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> like if my package count is over 200 and it's not damn justifiable I start getting nervous
2021-03-01T19:44:47 #kisslinux * acheam notices he has 895 pacman packages, 5 kiss packages, and 15 flatpaks
2021-03-01T19:44:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o.o
2021-03-01T19:45:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now I have 215, but there are a lot of build-time deps installed atm
2021-03-01T19:45:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> since I'm polishing my repo
2021-03-01T19:45:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> 87 gang
2021-03-01T19:45:19 #kisslinux <acheam> damn
2021-03-01T19:45:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> mind
2021-03-01T19:45:25 #kisslinux <acheam> mostly browser deps I presume?
2021-03-01T19:45:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of my packages comprise my core userspace
2021-03-01T19:45:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g i have a seperate less, net-tools, etc packages
2021-03-01T19:46:00 #kisslinux <acheam> what's wrong with mainline less?
2021-03-01T19:46:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> if I went with all the bundled deps for chromium I wonder what the count wold be... u
2021-03-01T19:46:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem with core less is that it's busybox
2021-03-01T19:46:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and busybox is a problem
2021-03-01T19:46:31 #kisslinux <acheam> does your userland not come with less?
2021-03-01T19:46:45 #kisslinux <acheam> or any pager
2021-03-01T19:46:48 #kisslinux <riteo> hi!
2021-03-01T19:46:53 #kisslinux <acheam> hello, riteo
2021-03-01T19:46:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> I use more. Get on my level scrubs
2021-03-01T19:46:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> howdy riteo:
2021-03-01T19:47:29 #kisslinux <acheam> I usually just use nvim as my pager
2021-03-01T19:47:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's not true. my pager is vim
2021-03-01T19:47:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> at least for git
2021-03-01T19:48:03 #kisslinux <acheam> export PAGER=nvim +R
2021-03-01T19:48:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> PAGER=vim -c PAGER -
2021-03-01T19:48:29 #kisslinux <acheam> and export MANPAGER=nvim +Man!
2021-03-01T19:48:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> who reads manpages
2021-03-01T19:48:52 #kisslinux <acheam> don't be going after manpages like that
2021-03-01T19:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> does your userland not come with less?: no it doesn't
2021-03-01T19:49:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use the suckless userland with supplements from BSD
2021-03-01T19:49:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally I'd be able to use supplements from plan9 or system five but
2021-03-01T19:49:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it just doesn't work for me
2021-03-01T19:50:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> you no lucky
2021-03-01T19:50:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i might take another stab at 9base
2021-03-01T19:52:26 #kisslinux <riteo> btw guys how do you do that *dude does something" thing? I've never used IRC in ways other than writing simple messages
2021-03-01T19:52:37 #kisslinux <acheam>  /me does something
2021-03-01T19:52:48 #kisslinux * riteo thanks acheam
2021-03-01T19:52:55 #kisslinux <riteo> :D
2021-03-01T19:53:07 #kisslinux <acheam> you're welcome!
2021-03-01T19:53:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's a cool kid now
2021-03-01T19:53:48 #kisslinux <riteo> yes
2021-03-01T19:59:00 #kisslinux <riteo> midfavilla what's wrong with busybox btw? I've never heard nothing bad about it.
2021-03-01T19:59:45 #kisslinux <riteo> hi tms_
2021-03-01T19:59:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Nothing really, it just doesn't have some features that some folks (*waves*) like
2021-03-01T20:00:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll tell you what's wrong with it
2021-03-01T20:00:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dunno what midfav was referring too, that's just my opinion
2021-03-01T20:00:09 #kisslinux <acheam> *sigh*
2021-03-01T20:00:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> not written in rust, that's what's wrong with it
2021-03-01T20:00:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lolol
2021-03-01T20:00:20 #kisslinux <acheam> oh I thought you were going to complain about the license
2021-03-01T20:00:28 #kisslinux <riteo> lol
2021-03-01T20:00:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> 0bsd or bust lads
2021-03-01T20:00:42 #kisslinux <riteo> I thought busybox had a pretty simple license
2021-03-01T20:00:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's gpl
2021-03-01T20:00:56 #kisslinux <riteo> oh
2021-03-01T20:00:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-03-01T20:01:06 #kisslinux <riteo> that changes everything
2021-03-01T20:01:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> see my only problem with the low-clause BSD licenses is that they don't side with the "consumer" for lack of a better term
2021-03-01T20:01:44 #kisslinux <acheam> example?
2021-03-01T20:01:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh no I can't use the free labor of hundreds or thousands of people in a project to explicitly fuck them over"
2021-03-01T20:02:10 #kisslinux <tms_> Hi!
2021-03-01T20:02:14 #kisslinux <aarng> I have 3 gripes with busybox
2021-03-01T20:02:15 #kisslinux <riteo> hi!
2021-03-01T20:02:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, an example of the GPL doing something good would be the WRT54GL/s
2021-03-01T20:02:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> it explicitly refuses to fuck over consumers lol
2021-03-01T20:02:40 #kisslinux <aarng> its ed is a joke, tail -f doesn't use inotify and its less does not support raw mode
2021-03-01T20:02:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> your complaint isn't about license terms, it's about the actions of individuals and corporations that use software under those terms
2021-03-01T20:03:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't consider corporations "consumers"
2021-03-01T20:03:01 #kisslinux <aarng> its vi sucks too but thats ok
2021-03-01T20:03:10 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-03-01T20:03:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah, it's vi is really buggy in my experience
2021-03-01T20:03:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *its
2021-03-01T20:03:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> vi is cringe
2021-03-01T20:03:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean, if they consume goods and services, I don't see how they couldn't be
2021-03-01T20:03:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> just use ed
2021-03-01T20:03:32 #kisslinux <riteo> well, it makes sense if its ed is shit
2021-03-01T20:03:35 #kisslinux <aarng> yep, bugs out on undo, doesn't it?
2021-03-01T20:03:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> exactly
2021-03-01T20:03:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and when I say "consumer" I tend to think of the little guy
2021-03-01T20:03:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^@^@^@
2021-03-01T20:03:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm more concerned with the hobbyist, the experimenter, the individual
2021-03-01T20:04:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe small business
2021-03-01T20:04:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i actually do like sircmpwn's blog: https://drewdevault.com/2021/01/04/A-culture-of-stability-and-reliability.html
2021-03-01T20:04:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> not fucking
2021-03-01T20:04:03 #kisslinux <acheam> vi isn't complete feature-wise either
2021-03-01T20:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> IBM
2021-03-01T20:04:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> or microshit
2021-03-01T20:04:15 #kisslinux <acheam> you sometimes get a "this feature isn't implemented yet" message
2021-03-01T20:04:28 #kisslinux <aarng> I just use nvi
2021-03-01T20:04:31 #kisslinux <riteo> no ok that's terrible
2021-03-01T20:04:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> no matter how much they open source their calculators or thirty year old OSes, no matter how much PR they put out, they're still The Enemy:tm:
2021-03-01T20:04:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and anything that enables them is bad
2021-03-01T20:05:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> Well your preference for how to characterize large companies doesn't seem well-grounded xD
2021-03-01T20:05:11 #kisslinux <riteo> I mean, isn't the GPL just some words?
2021-03-01T20:05:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, you don't like bill gatestein ? :o
2021-03-01T20:05:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> every law is just "some words"
2021-03-01T20:05:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aarng: I don't see what's wrong with tail -f not using inotify, though. Care to elaborate? :)
2021-03-01T20:05:32 #kisslinux <riteo> nothing stops them from not following them if they're skilled enough
2021-03-01T20:05:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-03-01T20:05:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> ultimately the military stops them
2021-03-01T20:05:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> or the police
2021-03-01T20:05:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> aka "gun people"
2021-03-01T20:05:55 #kisslinux <riteo> don't tell me the big corpos follow all laws properly
2021-03-01T20:05:56 #kisslinux <aarng> kiedtl, polling is slow
2021-03-01T20:05:57 #kisslinux <acheam> google, microsoft, apple are constatnly violating GPL
2021-03-01T20:05:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> aka "big stick carriers"
2021-03-01T20:05:59 #kisslinux <acheam> see android
2021-03-01T20:06:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> most things are just words
2021-03-01T20:06:03 #kisslinux <aarng> my irc client relies on tail -f
2021-03-01T20:06:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> The Greecian police must have failed, though, mid
2021-03-01T20:06:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aarng: Ah. I see.
2021-03-01T20:06:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong authorities fail a lot
2021-03-01T20:06:14 #kisslinux <riteo> GPL restricts freedom IMO
2021-03-01T20:06:16 #kisslinux <aarng> feels laggy when lines I type don't appear instantly for instance
2021-03-01T20:06:24 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo:  you're with dilyn on that
2021-03-01T20:06:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> riteo: gets it
2021-03-01T20:06:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> the GPL restricts freedom in the same way the whole "don't kill your neighbor" thing does
2021-03-01T20:06:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> FACTS
2021-03-01T20:06:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> or the "free speech doesn't cover shouting fire in a burning building" thing
2021-03-01T20:06:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> er, crowded
2021-03-01T20:06:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-03-01T20:06:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's analytically true my dude
2021-03-01T20:07:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> there goes my impeccable and not at all biased factual analysis of the situation
2021-03-01T20:07:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip ur fax
2021-03-01T20:07:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> GNUtard BTFO'd once again by based BSD chads
2021-03-01T20:07:36 #kisslinux <riteo> as I said, if corpos want to "kill", they'll do it without that many hassles
2021-03-01T20:07:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure
2021-03-01T20:07:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> and people can still kill too
2021-03-01T20:08:00 #kisslinux <riteo> what GNUtard wait
2021-03-01T20:08:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> and a lot of the time they get away with it
2021-03-01T20:08:13 #kisslinux <riteo> I said that I don't like the GPL
2021-03-01T20:08:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was being sarcastic and referring to myself
2021-03-01T20:08:37 #kisslinux <riteo> oh ok, sorry for misunderstanding
2021-03-01T20:08:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> np
2021-03-01T20:08:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah the important thing is not that we catch every guy every time
2021-03-01T20:09:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's that we have a system in place for dealing with them
2021-03-01T20:09:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> free software is ultimately good for end users
2021-03-01T20:09:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> going "waaaaah I don't wanna share! fuck you!" is lame and cringe
2021-03-01T20:10:05 #kisslinux <riteo> the issue IMO is that when GPL violations cause damage the most is when they are made by very big corpos, which have enough resources to get away with it, even when they get caught
2021-03-01T20:10:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> you think the FSF is gonna stop hounding a corp when they find a violation?
2021-03-01T20:10:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> hell no
2021-03-01T20:10:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it took them like half a decade to pummel cisco into complying but they did
2021-03-01T20:10:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as a result a 20yo router is still relevant
2021-03-01T20:10:56 #kisslinux <riteo> I love free software, but I find the GPL a troublemaker to small guys, which are the most vulnerable to legal issues
2021-03-01T20:11:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> see if it's an honest mistake then yeah
2021-03-01T20:11:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> little guy+small mistake+no malicious intent, that's fair
2021-03-01T20:11:34 #kisslinux <riteo> not even that
2021-03-01T20:11:44 #kisslinux <riteo> you might put yourself into very complex issues
2021-03-01T20:11:48 #kisslinux <riteo> look at bukkit
2021-03-01T20:11:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-03-01T20:11:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> look at linksys
2021-03-01T20:11:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's how they got caught
2021-03-01T20:12:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> a third party distributor of a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary used a portion of linux on a component
2021-03-01T20:12:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as a result the WRT54G got hit by the FSF
2021-03-01T20:13:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> super tiny thing that they couldn't have anticipated
2021-03-01T20:13:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but, they're still making money off of their ancient hardware because people are still buying these things for use with oWRT
2021-03-01T20:13:48 #kisslinux <riteo> so that only benefitted them, right?
2021-03-01T20:13:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> and they've even spun it as an advantage over their competitors in the past few years
2021-03-01T20:13:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-01T20:13:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it benefitted everyone
2021-03-01T20:14:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> linksys gets to make literally millions off a product they haven't touched in two decades
2021-03-01T20:14:20 #kisslinux <riteo> I mean, wouldn't the same issue on a wayyy smaller corporation have killed it for legal costs?
2021-03-01T20:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> freetards such as myself get a cheap, reliable router for basic use
2021-03-01T20:14:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-03-01T20:14:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, I don't think so
2021-03-01T20:14:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> not if you just comply with the license
2021-03-01T20:14:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and settle out of court with the FSF
2021-03-01T20:15:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> they've never been concerned with making money
2021-03-01T20:15:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> or getting damages or whatever
2021-03-01T20:15:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> just the source
2021-03-01T20:15:23 #kisslinux <riteo> lawyers do though
2021-03-01T20:15:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> settling out of court doesn't require lawyers does it?
2021-03-01T20:15:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not a legal expert
2021-03-01T20:15:53 #kisslinux <riteo> me neither, I'm not even american
2021-03-01T20:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i figured it was just a "okay fine we'll comply, drop the suit please"
2021-03-01T20:16:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and neither am I
2021-03-01T20:16:07 #kisslinux <riteo> just point out if I'm wronf
2021-03-01T20:16:10 #kisslinux <riteo> wrong*
2021-03-01T20:17:21 #kisslinux <riteo> btw this is a really complex talk in which myself get continously tangled. A few months ago I was for the GPL, then for stuff like MIT, and so on
2021-03-01T20:17:32 #kisslinux <gtms> MOTD
2021-03-01T20:17:54 #kisslinux <gtms> ehm.. sorry. Learning irc client :/
2021-03-01T20:18:16 #kisslinux <riteo> np
2021-03-01T20:18:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you may be thinking of /topic, gtms
2021-03-01T20:19:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> MIT is... fine. again, for me the problem isn't "nooooo you can't use free software in corporate products!". it's "nooooooo you can't enhance the software and benefit from it financially while the people who worked on it don't even get your fixes!"
2021-03-01T20:20:26 #kisslinux <gtms> Never used irc before... never had a reason to. Kiss made the decision for me ;)
2021-03-01T20:20:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> good
2021-03-01T20:20:39 #kisslinux <riteo> midfavilla yeah that's a fair point
2021-03-01T20:21:35 #kisslinux <riteo> but still, since the GPL wants to protect people from big corpos using the law, the same law which due to their enormous resources they can bend, I find it kind of useless against them, and more potentially harmful to the tinkerers.
2021-03-01T20:22:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure
2021-03-01T20:22:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that's a problem with the system, not the GPL
2021-03-01T20:22:33 #kisslinux <riteo> oh yeah absolutely, that's what I mean
2021-03-01T20:23:07 #kisslinux <riteo> relying on the system to protect something from the system itself doesn't look very effective to me
2021-03-01T20:23:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it's either that or just give up
2021-03-01T20:23:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> because unless one of us wants to steal the source code for winten
2021-03-01T20:23:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> in minecraft of course
2021-03-01T20:23:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> pls don't ban me
2021-03-01T20:24:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's not much we can physicially do to deal with corps
2021-03-01T20:24:32 #kisslinux <riteo> that's why I think it may cause more harm to people than corpos
2021-03-01T20:27:05 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-01T20:27:58 #kisslinux <riteo> but still, I respect GPL lovers. Also the MIT should be still for freetards IIRC :P
2021-03-01T20:28:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> MIT is like true neutral
2021-03-01T20:28:40 #kisslinux <riteo> Kind of
2021-03-01T20:28:53 #kisslinux <riteo> I mean, you have to mention the creator in the license
2021-03-01T20:29:08 #kisslinux <riteo> true neutral would be the Unlicense, or CC0
2021-03-01T20:29:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair enough
2021-03-01T20:29:30 #kisslinux <riteo> well, dinner's ready, gtg
2021-03-01T20:29:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> bye
2021-03-01T20:29:57 #kisslinux <riteo> It's been a pleasure to talk with you, I hope to not have bored you too much
2021-03-01T20:30:00 #kisslinux <riteo> Bye!
2021-03-01T20:30:06 #kisslinux * midfavila waves
2021-03-01T21:04:42 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo:  you're with dilyn on that
2021-03-01T21:04:50 #kisslinux <acheam> oops didn't mean to send that old messag
2021-03-01T23:15:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> sh4rm4^bnc: finally got to read that blog post you linked. couldn't agree more with his assessment
2021-03-01T23:15:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> blog post?
2021-03-01T23:15:24 #kisslinux <acheam> the education one?
2021-03-01T23:15:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> He's frequently on the nose. He's just abrasive, and frequently comes of as controlling
2021-03-01T23:15:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://drewdevault.com/2021/01/04/A-culture-of-stability-and-reliability.html
2021-03-01T23:15:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> this one
2021-03-01T23:15:41 #kisslinux <acheam> oh right
2021-03-01T23:15:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, that
2021-03-01T23:15:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-01T23:15:49 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah that's an apt analysis, dilyn
2021-03-01T23:16:16 #kisslinux <acheam> but i'd go further, not just coming off as controlling, but actually being controlling
2021-03-01T23:16:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> just call him an asshole and move on
2021-03-01T23:16:29 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-01T23:16:33 #kisslinux <acheam> see: gemini favicons, half the responses on the srht mailing list
2021-03-01T23:27:18 #kisslinux <acheam> unironic question: has anybody put sytemd onto kiss?
2021-03-01T23:27:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> pretty sure
2021-03-01T23:27:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if you use systemd on kiss you're a heathen
2021-03-01T23:27:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> just saying
2021-03-01T23:28:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> tracer: has
2021-03-01T23:28:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> somebody else made a repo for it a while back
2021-03-01T23:28:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's been a small bit of interest in it :)
2021-03-01T23:29:24 #kisslinux <acheam> can't find it on GH
2021-03-01T23:29:53 #kisslinux <acheam> and tracer is offline, argh
2021-03-01T23:30:20 #kisslinux <acheam> I kind of want to write a systemd interface to kiss
2021-03-01T23:30:57 #kisslinux <acheam> so it would just be systemd on kiss, but rather systemd in kiss
2021-03-01T23:35:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm irrationally offended by this
2021-03-01T23:36:08 #kisslinux <acheam> systemd is actually really nice if you sit down and get do know it
2021-03-01T23:37:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's great if you like monolithic software that randomly has undiagnosable errors and requires everything comply to its set of arbitrary standards
2021-03-01T23:38:08 #kisslinux <acheam> its not monolithic though
2021-03-01T23:38:11 #kisslinux <acheam> its a suite of software
2021-03-01T23:38:14 #kisslinux <acheam> you don't have to use all of it
2021-03-01T23:38:41 #kisslinux <acheam> just want to use the service manager? go ahead! Want to leave out systemd-boot in favor of just efistub? sure!
2021-03-01T23:38:49 #kisslinux <acheam> and its many different binaries
2021-03-01T23:38:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> "it's not monolithic" in the sense that not all of a given userland is monolithic
2021-03-01T23:38:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure
2021-03-01T23:38:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i could swap out hundreds of individual tools
2021-03-01T23:39:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not practical
2021-03-01T23:39:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and besides, the bigger issue is that systemd as a project absorbs other projects
2021-03-01T23:39:35 #kisslinux <acheam> but others form in its shadow
2021-03-01T23:39:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not needed
2021-03-01T23:39:59 #kisslinux <acheam> a package manager isn't needed either
2021-03-01T23:40:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> slippery slope arguments are stupid
2021-03-01T23:40:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> a package manager is much different than what should have stayed an init system
2021-03-01T23:40:35 #kisslinux <acheam> systemd isn't an init system though
2021-03-01T23:40:38 #kisslinux <acheam> software evoleves
2021-03-01T23:40:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> "it's a suite of software that accomplishes multiple tasks"
2021-03-01T23:40:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't care
2021-03-01T23:40:55 #kisslinux <acheam> are you against libreoffice too?
2021-03-01T23:40:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually yes
2021-03-01T23:41:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's hilariously bloated
2021-03-01T23:41:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> but
2021-03-01T23:41:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> the key difference is that my security subsystem, or networking subsystem, don't depend on libreoffice
2021-03-01T23:42:16 #kisslinux <acheam> whatever happened to  <midfavila> think of muh securideee :D
2021-03-01T23:42:35 #kisslinux <acheam> this discussion is losing its importance
2021-03-01T23:42:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think I can fundamentally *choose* to not at least *have* all of systemd on any arbitrary Linux system
2021-03-01T23:42:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it never had any importance because you have no arguments
2021-03-01T23:42:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> other than grasping at straws
2021-03-01T23:43:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> my "securideee" quote is in reference to the obsession with updates people have
2021-03-01T23:43:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> soystemd suffers from that, too, but it's minor in comparison to all the other crap
2021-03-01T23:44:06 #kisslinux <acheam> my bad for bringing this up
2021-03-01T23:49:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's just mad he isn't poettering
2021-03-01T23:49:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip sad lad
2021-03-01T23:49:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah I'm fine with not being a red hat glowie
2021-03-01T23:52:48 #kisslinux * acheam weeps