2021-03-10T00:00:46 #kisslinux <testingkirc> do I have to have a github account to contribute to KISS?
2021-03-10T00:01:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> not entirely sure. I doubt it
2021-03-10T00:01:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> hrm
2021-03-10T00:01:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> I will accept patches (via email, pastebin, etc)
2021-03-10T00:01:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> as for packages... hm
2021-03-10T00:01:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> not having github involved would be a boon.
2021-03-10T00:02:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Unless there's mirror to gitlab or something else then pretty much. Your commits is your email so in theory account isn't needed but you won't get your cool hacker points
2021-03-10T00:02:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> one man's boon is another man's 'yet another account for a single project'
2021-03-10T00:02:38 #kisslinux <testingkirc> the only thing I have now is the checksum is not working properly for djvulibre. I got it working on my own, but the checksum on the community repo doesn't seem to work properly
2021-03-10T00:02:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah yeah there's an issue for that
2021-03-10T00:03:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> the maintainer hasn't done anything on github in over a month... :2021-03-10T00:03:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> red hat is becoming bolder in their attacks
2021-03-10T00:03:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-10T00:04:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> you may take our contributors, but you will never take our autism
2021-03-10T00:04:35 #kisslinux <testingkirc> dilyn, i read the TMIK post. have you used fossil in any real capacity? any comments on it as a VCS?
2021-03-10T00:05:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You may take my heart but not my soul as I don't have one
2021-03-10T00:05:14 #kisslinux <testingkirc> i have no experience with it. it seems iteresting, but it seems like it is doing too much imo
2021-03-10T00:05:19 #kisslinux <testingkirc> i haven't tried it though
2021-03-10T00:05:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> It's at the very least an interesting idea. And it's probably more powerful (if not more breakable) if you know any sql (you can literally dig around in the database)
2021-03-10T00:06:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have not had a whole lot of experience with it compared to git, however
2021-03-10T00:06:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> the fact that all you need to host a site for the repo is a reverse proxy is really cool, and fossil will host every repository you give it off that one connection. Not entirely sure how resource demanding that is...
2021-03-10T00:07:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> the server idles at around 3% usage
2021-03-10T00:07:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> saw a HUGE spike (80% O.O) after TMIK was published, wonder how many connections that was
2021-03-10T00:08:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> inb4 one
2021-03-10T00:08:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol less than one i can assure you
2021-03-10T00:08:48 #kisslinux <testingkirc> should the server get that stressed from serving a static html page?
2021-03-10T00:09:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I imaginen someone was doing something
2021-03-10T00:10:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> top itself in the server is reporting <1% CPU usage, not sure where linode is getting its numbers from
2021-03-10T00:11:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Maybe it was spike in-between htop updates so you wasn't seeing it
2021-03-10T00:12:02 #kisslinux <testingkirc> linode is incentivized to get you to upgrade your VPS :D
2021-03-10T00:12:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> well i'll probably downgrade it in two months when my credit runs out! XD
2021-03-10T00:14:43 #kisslinux <acheam> if you have extra credit, spin up some tor relays, or a folding at home instace
2021-03-10T00:14:52 #kisslinux <acheam> thats what I did when I had 1 month of $200 credit at DO
2021-03-10T00:15:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Mine some crypto or something lol
2021-03-10T00:16:35 #kisslinux <testingkirc> acheam wants to use the credit to help society nxghtmvrx wants to mine crypto XD
2021-03-10T00:16:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> Fixed djvulibre's checksums
2021-03-10T00:17:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew crypto
2021-03-10T00:17:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Hell yes. Just make it part of botnet or some nasty stuff
2021-03-10T00:17:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Seedbox instance, whatever
2021-03-10T00:18:10 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-10T00:24:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh song of the day does really change every day? That's surprising
2021-03-10T00:24:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> well it's song of the day
2021-03-10T00:24:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> not song of every now and then
2021-03-10T00:24:56 #kisslinux <acheam> i've been trying to keep it up to date :)
2021-03-10T00:28:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ray Charles had the same glasses all his life lol
2021-03-10T00:33:07 #kisslinux <acheam> holy crap you're right
2021-03-10T00:33:17 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm looking through his wikipedia page
2021-03-10T00:33:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/server/any/stunnel.md wow stunnel is so easy
2021-03-10T00:33:31 #kisslinux <acheam> literally every picture is the same pair of glasses (or at least same style)
2021-03-10T00:34:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That should be some real hard glasses. Not these modern fragile ones. Thinkpad in the world of sunglasses
2021-03-10T00:35:34 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-03-10T00:41:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Usb sucks so much. "Usb for everything" isn't practical. Replacing jack/aux with usb is dumb and mostly done for gaymery rgb which is pointless. Why isn't there any modern ps/2 devices anymore...
2021-03-10T00:42:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> b-b-b-b-but anon, USB is hotpluggable
2021-03-10T00:43:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also they renamed their standards name after usb 3.0 and created even more confusion with it
2021-03-10T00:45:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well i have nothing against usb sticks. Almost nothing else should be usb. "One size fits all" is inconvinient and dumb as you need to have everything inside which is bloat
2021-03-10T00:47:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think that USB is good for, say, webcams
2021-03-10T00:47:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> or even modern printers
2021-03-10T00:47:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ps/2 was super fast and responsive. even if you use conversion device or adapter for your mice/keyboard to make it ps/2 you will feel how speed and responsive it is
2021-03-10T00:48:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> er...
2021-03-10T00:48:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> not really
2021-03-10T00:48:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/speed/fast/
2021-03-10T00:48:21 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> ps/2 was super fast and responsive. even if you use conversion device or adapter for your mice/keyboard to make it ps/2 you will feel how fast and responsive it is
2021-03-10T00:48:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> ps/2 actually has dogshit bandwidth
2021-03-10T00:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> it just uses interrupts instead of polling for data transfers
2021-03-10T00:48:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> ergo lower latency
2021-03-10T00:49:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's such a small difference that it doesn't matter
2021-03-10T00:49:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Haven't you heard about professional Mortal Kombat players and such? That's exactly why they use ps/2 still
2021-03-10T00:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> they don't use PS/2 in competitive gaming?
2021-03-10T00:49:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not sure if you're trolling or what
2021-03-10T00:49:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the main advantage of PS/2 is its simplicity and stability as a platform
2021-03-10T00:49:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's also cheap to implement
2021-03-10T00:50:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> and has backwards compatiblity
2021-03-10T00:50:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc etc etc
2021-03-10T00:50:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> no trolling. there's literally folks who use ps/2 keyboards in their fighting games
2021-03-10T00:51:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> if they're using a keyboard for a fighting game they're doing it wrong
2021-03-10T00:52:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> not really. they exactly want latency and interrupts as you wrote earlier
2021-03-10T00:52:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> the level of latency we're talking about here is less than that of your brain controlling your hand
2021-03-10T00:53:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> totally irrelevant
2021-03-10T00:53:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> haha dunno. it was long ago when I heard about that so can't really put strong argument
2021-03-10T00:54:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> but yeah. usb for bizzare devices is fine. not replacement for every existing thing before
2021-03-10T00:55:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mmh.
2021-03-10T00:58:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also ps/2 is proper n-key rollover instead of usb emulating multiple devices
2021-03-10T01:18:49 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: bumping this PR because my brain hurts every time I go to the website. https://github.com/kiss-community/website/pull/2
2021-03-10T01:19:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> NOTABUG WONTFIX
2021-03-10T01:19:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> See I couldn't decide which way I wanted it
2021-03-10T01:21:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> changed it just for you ;)
2021-03-10T01:21:42 #kisslinux <acheam> *blessed*
2021-03-10T01:23:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-10T01:23:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> i still can't decide
2021-03-10T01:23:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> i suppose right-aligned is cannonically better for right-aligned text tho huh
2021-03-10T01:25:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://fossil.k1sslinux.org/repo/home it's no longer fugly as hell
2021-03-10T01:27:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugly is an offensive term to our cosmetically oppressed allies
2021-03-10T01:27:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> homely is more accepting language
2021-03-10T01:27:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/ugly/fugly/
2021-03-10T01:27:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hehe
2021-03-10T01:29:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> nope, fugly is definitely the correct word
2021-03-10T01:29:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely cancelled
2021-03-10T01:29:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> cancel me thot
2021-03-10T01:29:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> fucking bet
2021-03-10T01:29:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> prepare to meet your match
2021-03-10T01:30:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> my instagram has over ten thousand followers
2021-03-10T01:30:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> what're you gonna do? take away my facebook account, and all 102 of my friends?
2021-03-10T01:30:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's right
2021-03-10T01:30:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh shit no not my instagram
2021-03-10T01:30:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> no more cuckbook for you
2021-03-10T01:30:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> how will my thirty followers recover
2021-03-10T01:30:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> no more insta
2021-03-10T01:30:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> no more like... idk grindr
2021-03-10T01:30:39 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-10T01:30:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> a shame i already deplatformed myself :'(  now what will you do
2021-03-10T01:30:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> my life is over!
2021-03-10T01:30:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll have to de-house you
2021-03-10T01:31:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> all because fossil's default UI is *ahem* fuckING U G L Y
2021-03-10T01:31:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> brb messaging sysops about this harmful language
2021-03-10T02:00:00 #kisslinux <acheam> i. hate. c
2021-03-10T02:00:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao why?
2021-03-10T02:00:14 #kisslinux <acheam> i literally would've written the exact same program in python 4 hours ago
2021-03-10T02:00:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> not knowing about something isn't reason to hate it
2021-03-10T02:01:00 #kisslinux <acheam> and I don't actually hate C
2021-03-10T02:01:18 #kisslinux <acheam> I hate the roadblocks that i'm encountering while learning C
2021-03-10T02:01:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> that makes more sense
2021-03-10T02:13:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> like what?
2021-03-10T02:18:28 #kisslinux <acheam> dealing with memory and pointers and stuff is new to me, it used to be a lot more abstract
2021-03-10T02:19:07 #kisslinux <acheam> and in the process of figuring out how that kind of stuff works, about 95% of the stuff I try results in a segfault
2021-03-10T02:20:39 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: this website repo workflow is wack
2021-03-10T02:21:51 #kisslinux <acheam> my recommendation: use the gh-pages branch, and either have an action build the site on push, or modify the make script to do it
2021-03-10T02:26:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: valgrind is useful :)
2021-03-10T02:26:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Also, whatever you do, stay away from gdb if you value your sanity.
2021-03-10T02:26:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> why's that
2021-03-10T02:27:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's kind of clunky
2021-03-10T02:27:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's the only debugger you got on linux
2021-03-10T02:27:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so...
2021-03-10T02:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ngl I don't believe that
2021-03-10T02:27:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and it can actually show you step by step what your prog does
2021-03-10T02:27:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "only"
2021-03-10T02:27:40 #kisslinux <acheam> I'll keep that in mind kiedtl. every time I get a segfault a little voice in my ear chants "gdb gdb gdb gdb" and I have to fend it off
2021-03-10T02:27:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also
2021-03-10T02:27:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> uh
2021-03-10T02:27:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "kind of clunky"
2021-03-10T02:27:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's fucking horrible
2021-03-10T02:27:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the entire point of a debugger is to show you what your program is doing step-by-step
2021-03-10T02:27:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so
2021-03-10T02:28:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there are other use-cases for a debugger
2021-03-10T02:28:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> valgrind is a bit more specialised though
2021-03-10T02:28:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> like it's more for mem leaks, buffer overruns, etc
2021-03-10T02:28:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i will say that I liked x64dbg on windows
2021-03-10T02:28:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> afaik you cant step-by-step debug in it
2021-03-10T02:28:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> in valgrind
2021-03-10T02:28:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> >debugger >doesn't have a stepper
2021-03-10T02:28:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wtf
2021-03-10T02:28:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> But why would you need that
2021-03-10T02:28:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> printf is the only road to heaven
2021-03-10T02:28:57 #kisslinux <acheam> for stepping
2021-03-10T02:29:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> steppers are absolutely based
2021-03-10T02:29:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> assert is a thing
2021-03-10T02:29:18 #kisslinux <acheam> but my print statements are segfaulting, kiedtl
2021-03-10T02:29:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> t h e f u c k
2021-03-10T02:29:45 #kisslinux <acheam> not just on their own
2021-03-10T02:29:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> come to think about it, a good option would probably be to use borland C inside dosbox
2021-03-10T02:30:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-10T02:30:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> because their built-in debugger is great
2021-03-10T02:30:04 #kisslinux <acheam> but when I try to print an item in an array that's f-ed up
2021-03-10T02:30:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that's what valgrind is for :P
2021-03-10T02:30:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> for learning purposes at least
2021-03-10T02:30:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i only ever used valgrind to look for memory leaks
2021-03-10T02:30:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> totally unrelated but this new battery is way thiccer than my last one, holy crap
2021-03-10T02:31:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> easily adds a pound and a half if not more to my laptop
2021-03-10T02:31:03 #kisslinux <jslick> If you use gdb, the -tui flag can make it a lot easier
2021-03-10T02:33:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i also made a gui for gdb https://github.com/rofl0r/gdbpimp <_<
2021-03-10T02:34:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> frontends are for nerds
2021-03-10T02:38:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> looks like so https://0x0.st/-ZZ7.png
2021-03-10T02:39:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: the website workflow is great! who needs nonmaster branches
2021-03-10T02:42:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> do any of you guys have experience with wacom digitizers on linux?
2021-03-10T02:43:52 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: idk how you don't puke when you read the alternating "site: update" and "blog: xyz" commits
2021-03-10T02:44:09 #kisslinux <acheam> also, manually updating the wiki submodule just isn't it, cheif
2021-03-10T02:44:17 #kisslinux <acheam> s/ei/ie
2021-03-10T02:44:18 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> also, manually updating the wiki submodule just isn't it, chief
2021-03-10T02:44:57 #kisslinux <acheam> but hey, kiss was never known for good git commits
2021-03-10T02:52:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> trash-based distro
2021-03-10T02:53:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I carry the torch given to me :v
2021-03-10T03:39:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh my gooooooooooooood why is dns so motherfucking sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
2021-03-10T03:40:40 #kisslinux <omanom> no cached results?
2021-03-10T03:40:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, it's just something to do with my router setup
2021-03-10T03:41:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i had to reset it last night and it's being annoying
2021-03-10T03:42:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> there we go. for some reason it was trying to request DNS from my modem... which would then request from my router... from my modem... so on
2021-03-10T03:42:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-10T03:42:52 #kisslinux <omanom> max recursion depth reached!
2021-03-10T03:43:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> "of course, this problem can be solved with recursion."
2021-03-10T03:46:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> howdy!
2021-03-10T03:46:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have a seriously bad dependency on vim
2021-03-10T03:46:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> delete vim instsall neatvi
2021-03-10T03:46:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> :>
2021-03-10T03:46:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have the same exact vim/vimrc/plugins installed across... everything
2021-03-10T03:46:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> neatvi? mm
2021-03-10T03:46:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> dont' try to change me
2021-03-10T03:46:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> its good
2021-03-10T03:46:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> v good vi clone
2021-03-10T03:46:52 #kisslinux <omanom> i've resisted the urge to install it on this laptop so far, vi has sufficed for now...
2021-03-10T03:47:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> id also push ed(1) but i know its not exactly usable if you ain't use to it
2021-03-10T03:47:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> vi bad
2021-03-10T03:47:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> "It can edit bidirectional UTF-8 text" dammit you sonofabitch, I'm in
2021-03-10T03:47:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> ed good
2021-03-10T03:47:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> o/
2021-03-10T03:47:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> I wouldn't be able to handle having to constantly print the whole file. ed is just unusable for me
2021-03-10T03:48:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive been using less and also g/re/n
2021-03-10T03:48:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> less OP
2021-03-10T03:48:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, if you stick to 80-character lines it's not hard to remember what the contents of your line are
2021-03-10T03:48:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> also yeah that
2021-03-10T03:48:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> except toybox doesn't have less so I've just sent it all to vim :v
2021-03-10T03:48:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm a wholistic writer mid
2021-03-10T03:48:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-03-10T03:48:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> and while my memory is excellent, my faith in myself leaves something to be desired...
2021-03-10T03:49:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe but relatable
2021-03-10T03:49:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> export PAGER="vim -c PAGER -" o7
2021-03-10T03:49:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> git branch opens vim, git log opens vim,
2021-03-10T03:49:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> life == complete
2021-03-10T03:49:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> i find searching for function definition lines and using z gets me most of the way
2021-03-10T03:49:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean yeah
2021-03-10T03:49:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> I also don't tend to edit files after writing them, so vim is not the optimal choice for me
2021-03-10T03:49:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> but now I'm too fargone
2021-03-10T03:50:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> im using ed atm to edit reviewer comment responses
2021-03-10T03:50:45 #kisslinux <omanom> https://0x0.st/-ZNb.png ok @midfavila fvwm2 is going ok so far
2021-03-10T03:51:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> glad to see you got it up and running
2021-03-10T03:51:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> but, fyi, fvwm2 is eol
2021-03-10T03:51:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> fvwm3 is the recommended branch
2021-03-10T03:51:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> version
2021-03-10T03:51:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> w/e
2021-03-10T03:51:48 #kisslinux <omanom> your fvwm3 build fails and i couldn't be arsed to look into it that much yet tbh
2021-03-10T03:51:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, yeah
2021-03-10T03:51:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair enough
2021-03-10T03:51:56 #kisslinux <omanom> *fails on my machine
2021-03-10T03:51:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i haven't touched it
2021-03-10T03:51:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, it fails
2021-03-10T03:52:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-10T03:52:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to move it to testing actually
2021-03-10T03:52:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay that's done
2021-03-10T03:53:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna have to work on switching my setup to 3 some time Soon:tm:
2021-03-10T03:53:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that's gonna require another refactor... ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh
2021-03-10T03:54:29 #kisslinux <omanom> so far everything is idling ~100MB which is a bit higher than i'd like.  not sure if  that's just the matter of wifi running or fvwm2 is a little bigger or what
2021-03-10T03:54:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> FVWM on its own consumes about 10mb
2021-03-10T03:55:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> each buttons instance is about 20
2021-03-10T03:55:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> love the colors on that wallpaper
2021-03-10T03:55:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've it on UnixPorn, have I not?
2021-03-10T03:55:39 #kisslinux <omanom> i don't think i've posted it, i just got it on wallhaven or somewhere a long time ago
2021-03-10T03:55:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> well it looks fine af
2021-03-10T03:56:31 #kisslinux <omanom> pfe
2021-03-10T03:56:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not stealing your wallpapers from /wpg/
2021-03-10T03:57:08 #kisslinux <omanom> it mightve been as simple as "search for cafe racer on wallhaven" lol
2021-03-10T03:59:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> my wallpapers have either been with me since high school
2021-03-10T03:59:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> or I stole them from dylan's posts on unixporn
2021-03-10T03:59:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> there is NO inbetween
2021-03-10T04:00:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> reddit is lam
2021-03-10T04:00:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> e
2021-03-10T04:00:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't use it
2021-03-10T04:00:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-03-10T04:00:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> but my erep
2021-03-10T04:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-10T04:00:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/erep/ereps
2021-03-10T04:00:35 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> but my ereps
2021-03-10T04:00:35 #kisslinux <omanom> rtv is pretty nice, command-line reddit
2021-03-10T04:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> before long you'll be screaming about pickles
2021-03-10T04:00:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> i fucking love pickles dog
2021-03-10T04:01:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'M PICKLE DYLAAAN
2021-03-10T04:01:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> nah
2021-03-10T04:01:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> as long as we don't get to that territory
2021-03-10T04:04:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> perl is fucking trash
2021-03-10T04:05:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah it's not great
2021-03-10T04:05:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> why is their build system so wiggidy wiggidy wack
2021-03-10T04:05:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's basically python for boomers
2021-03-10T04:05:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> combining shit and shit just gets you a bigger pile of shit
2021-03-10T04:05:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> you don't need a maths degree to figure that out lmao
2021-03-10T04:05:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> the first noncomment line in Configure is ARGGGHHHH!!!!
2021-03-10T04:14:03 #kisslinux <travankor> do they use gnu configure or a hand-rolled configure
2021-03-10T04:14:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> perl projects use a perl-based configure script
2021-03-10T04:15:26 #kisslinux <travankor> oh, each perl project has one of those
2021-03-10T04:15:31 #kisslinux <travankor> python for boomers indeed
2021-03-10T04:17:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> even with BUILD_BZIP2=0, and informing perl I don't want a shared libperl
2021-03-10T04:17:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> it insists on building it's own Bzip2.so
2021-03-10T04:17:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> which fails the build, because libz is static.
2021-03-10T04:17:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck a perl
2021-03-10T04:17:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> perl knows best, betaboi
2021-03-10T04:17:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> :|
2021-03-10T04:17:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> :p
2021-03-10T04:17:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm a valued contributor to this project
2021-03-10T04:18:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> :| |:
2021-03-10T04:18:14 #kisslinux <dilyn>  ._. /
2021-03-10T04:18:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmfao
2021-03-10T04:18:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know you'd miss me if I was gone
2021-03-10T04:18:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-10T04:18:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody would be here to bully you
2021-03-10T04:18:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> and how sad would that be
2021-03-10T04:20:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> absolutely depressing
2021-03-10T04:20:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> exactly
2021-03-10T04:22:07 #kisslinux <acheam> tbf you were gone for like a month
2021-03-10T04:22:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> did anyone ASK you
2021-03-10T04:22:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:C
2021-03-10T04:22:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> ahah
2021-03-10T04:22:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> go to your room acheam
2021-03-10T04:22:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> no more internet for tonight
2021-03-10T04:23:12 #kisslinux <acheam> jokes on you, I actually know how to setup my DNS servers
2021-03-10T04:23:25 #kisslinux <acheam> unlike *someone*
2021-03-10T04:23:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> so do I. it's not my fault oWRT keeps reverting my configurations without me asking
2021-03-10T04:23:55 #kisslinux <acheam> idk man that sounds like a you problem
2021-03-10T04:24:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> stfu n00b
2021-03-10T04:24:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> go back to learning C
2021-03-10T04:24:18 #kisslinux <acheam> noo c is evil
2021-03-10T04:24:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> chaotic neutral really
2021-03-10T04:24:51 #kisslinux <acheam> we should alignment chart the kiss contributor
2021-03-10T04:24:54 #kisslinux <acheam> s
2021-03-10T04:24:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh lawd
2021-03-10T04:25:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> dylan is lawful good
2021-03-10T04:25:08 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: chaotic evil
2021-03-10T04:25:20 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc: chaotic good
2021-03-10T04:25:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-03-10T04:25:34 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: lawful neutral
2021-03-10T04:26:07 #kisslinux <acheam> sh4rm4^bnc: neutral evil
2021-03-10T04:26:52 #kisslinux <acheam> mmatongo: neutral good
2021-03-10T04:27:08 #kisslinux <acheam> and i'm chaotic evil for just pinging all those people (sorry!)
2021-03-10T04:27:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am true neutral
2021-03-10T04:27:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> the most boring alignment
2021-03-10T04:27:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> accurate
2021-03-10T04:27:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> the most faithful alignment
2021-03-10T04:27:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> lawful good is the most faithful
2021-03-10T04:28:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> alpine doesn't even chance it with their perl package they just straight up erase CPAN bzip2/zlib from the fucking source tree
2021-03-10T04:28:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-03-10T04:28:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is the way
2021-03-10T04:28:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> jk it is NOT the way. a new error appears
2021-03-10T04:28:35 #kisslinux <acheam> we should do that with python
2021-03-10T04:28:37 #kisslinux <acheam> no more pip for you
2021-03-10T04:28:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd use the no-perl kernel patch but it would interfere with my existing patchset I think
2021-03-10T04:29:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> im using the no-perl kernel patch
2021-03-10T04:29:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> but ive still gotta have it for other shit
2021-03-10T04:29:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> :<
2021-03-10T04:29:26 #kisslinux <acheam> whenever I read that, it comes out "no kerl perlner" patch
2021-03-10T04:30:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> perl is needed for building any of the browsers in repo
2021-03-10T04:30:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> only as a make dep for firefox
2021-03-10T04:30:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> otherwise i wont need it
2021-03-10T04:30:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> webkit needs perl AND ruby lol
2021-03-10T04:30:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> > perlner
2021-03-10T04:30:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's why webkit sucks dog
2021-03-10T04:31:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> huh kiss revdeps only returns the firefox make dep for perl for me
2021-03-10T04:31:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> guess im clear to boot it
2021-03-10T04:32:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> o/
2021-03-10T04:32:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> perl is basically only ever a build-time req
2021-03-10T04:32:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> looks like pale moon and forks don't require perl
2021-03-10T04:32:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> nice
2021-03-10T04:32:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> llvm requires perl and it makes me sad :'(
2021-03-10T04:32:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> oof
2021-03-10T04:32:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they need gcc9 though right midfavila
2021-03-10T04:32:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> looks like 10 is supported now
2021-03-10T04:33:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-10T04:33:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://developer.palemoon.org/build/linux/
2021-03-10T04:33:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> welcome to the present, palememe
2021-03-10T04:33:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> palememe is better than webshit and less pozzed than firefox
2021-03-10T04:33:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> so
2021-03-10T04:33:40 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-10T04:34:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> > GCC 9.x and 10.x are still considered experimental at this time, however, they have thus far produced stable binaries.
2021-03-10T04:34:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why is even 9 considered experimental
2021-03-10T04:34:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> because they added support for it not long ago
2021-03-10T04:34:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it needs python2 also
2021-03-10T04:34:43 #kisslinux <acheam> boo
2021-03-10T04:35:01 #kisslinux <acheam> death to python2 please
2021-03-10T04:35:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm willing to give MC a pass because it's like, him, tobin, and three or four other people doing the bulk of the work
2021-03-10T04:35:18 #kisslinux <acheam> MC?
2021-03-10T04:35:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> compared to mozilla's team of however many they have left
2021-03-10T04:35:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-03-10T04:35:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> moonchild
2021-03-10T04:35:26 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-03-10T04:35:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> lead dev of PM
2021-03-10T04:35:33 #kisslinux <acheam> right
2021-03-10T04:35:41 #kisslinux <acheam> I think they're 250 now? midfavila
2021-03-10T04:35:55 #kisslinux <acheam> will probably be 125 next year
2021-03-10T04:36:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah compared to a team that's like 50 times the size of their own, I think MC is doing okay
2021-03-10T04:36:25 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, its not like they wrote palemoon from scratch lol
2021-03-10T04:36:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> they forked it only around five or six years after it came into existence
2021-03-10T04:36:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> llvm's perl dep seems relatively scant
2021-03-10T04:36:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's used to generate libs dependencies lmfao
2021-03-10T04:36:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> so they've written the past fifteen or so years of its codebase
2021-03-10T04:37:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's to the point where they've written so much of the code that it can no longer be considered related, imho
2021-03-10T04:38:12 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm
2021-03-10T04:39:05 #kisslinux <acheam> have you tried basilik?
2021-03-10T04:39:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> basilisk is just pale moon stripped of its extras
2021-03-10T04:39:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yes
2021-03-10T04:39:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have
2021-03-10T04:39:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's okay. serves mostly as a reference implemention of a UXP browser
2021-03-10T04:47:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> does this basilik thing need python2 / perl / gcc 9 ?
2021-03-10T04:47:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> considering it serves as the base of pale moon, yes
2021-03-10T04:47:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> python2
2021-03-10T04:47:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-03-10T06:03:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I really need to get around to forking the base layout package
2021-03-10T06:03:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are some files I need to add...
2021-03-10T06:04:31 #kisslinux <acheam> like what?
2021-03-10T06:04:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> /etc/protocols for one
2021-03-10T06:04:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> inetutils and some other stuff refuses to work without it.
2021-03-10T06:05:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> although I suppose I could always write a "supplementlayout" package
2021-03-10T06:05:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> would probably be better that way
2021-03-10T06:08:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually, looks like what i'm thinking of would be more correctly called "iana-etc"
2021-03-10T06:10:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...and it's already a thing
2021-03-10T06:10:36 #kisslinux * midfavila facepalms
2021-03-10T06:10:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, at least I know now
2021-03-10T08:40:41 #kisslinux <jedavies> dilyn: you need perl to build llvm? Building it without perl here OK.
2021-03-10T09:28:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I wonder if there's something worth seeding in torrent longterm. Like linux distro iso or anything else
2021-03-10T09:32:12 #kisslinux <travankor> collapseos
2021-03-10T09:32:34 #kisslinux <travankor> /s implied
2021-03-10T09:39:11 #kisslinux <travankor> also ipfs is good
2021-03-10T09:39:37 #kisslinux <travankor> i think it can replace torrents
2021-03-10T09:40:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> imo torrent is too big to die
2021-03-10T09:40:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> so it won't be replaced
2021-03-10T09:41:16 #kisslinux <travankor> what's wrong with ipfs ?
2021-03-10T09:42:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> nothing. its perfectly fine and i'll def research more about it as it seems interesting
2021-03-10T09:56:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> collapseos seems interesting at least to read about. is there really any preservation technique that would allow anyone after the death of all technology to deal with bootstrapping microcontrollers?
2021-03-10T10:01:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> the only thing I've ever heard related is github arctic vault for 1000 years
2021-03-10T10:11:34 #kisslinux <travankor> i think the goal of collapseos is to scavenge existing microcontrollers
2021-03-10T10:13:48 #kisslinux <travankor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Ra4NwMHBM
2021-03-10T10:40:15 #kisslinux <travankor> lol matrix bridge is terrible
2021-03-10T13:12:21 #kisslinux <vilniaus-servas> hi
2021-03-10T13:12:21 #kisslinux <vilniaus-servas> what's good
2021-03-10T13:12:21 #kisslinux <vilniaus-servas> quit
2021-03-10T13:13:50 #kisslinux <vilniaus-servas> hi
2021-03-10T13:13:53 #kisslinux <vilius> hello
2021-03-10T13:13:56 #kisslinux <vilniaus-servas> oh shid
2021-03-10T13:16:01 #kisslinux <potato> hi
2021-03-10T13:16:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hu
2021-03-10T13:16:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi*
2021-03-10T13:16:43 #kisslinux <meskauskis> ho
2021-03-10T13:16:44 #kisslinux <Guest34731> hello
2021-03-10T13:17:10 #kisslinux <meskauskis> ?
2021-03-10T13:17:22 #kisslinux <Guest34731> ?
2021-03-10T13:18:01 #kisslinux <Guest34731> hi
2021-03-10T13:18:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh
2021-03-10T13:18:24 #kisslinux <Guest34731> 2 instances?
2021-03-10T13:19:40 #kisslinux <Guest34731> breh
2021-03-10T13:43:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @dilyn here's where I got that pic: https://www.bikeexif.com/cb-cafe-racer
2021-03-10T13:44:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's some beautiful motorcycles on that site
2021-03-10T13:50:03 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> hello guys
2021-03-10T13:50:11 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I have a little situation
2021-03-10T13:50:26 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I dont know if is firefox or alsa but i not have sound
2021-03-10T13:50:41 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Unmuted the Master but not sound
2021-03-10T13:51:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what does `speaker-test -c 2` do?
2021-03-10T13:51:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> says
2021-03-10T13:51:52 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Playback device is default
2021-03-10T13:51:52 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels
2021-03-10T13:51:53 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Using 16 octaves of pink noise
2021-03-10T13:51:53 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1075:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
2021-03-10T13:51:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
2021-03-10T13:52:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you have a custom alsa configuration then?
2021-03-10T13:52:39 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> noup
2021-03-10T13:52:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> or are you using pulseaudio?
2021-03-10T13:52:45 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i dont know alsa configs
2021-03-10T13:52:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> not using pulse
2021-03-10T13:52:55 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i think in use
2021-03-10T13:53:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> but if i can get audio without is better
2021-03-10T13:56:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> was it working before?
2021-03-10T13:56:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and is your user in the audio group?
2021-03-10T13:58:00 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i dont know if works before
2021-03-10T13:58:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I only used pulse
2021-03-10T13:58:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> never tested without
2021-03-10T13:58:21 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> is a fresh kiss install
2021-03-10T13:58:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> in other distros i only used pulse
2021-03-10T13:58:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> and my user are in audio group
2021-03-10T13:59:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i have two sound cards
2021-03-10T13:59:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> generic and generic_1
2021-03-10T14:00:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> aplay -L doesn't give more specific card information than "generic"?
2021-03-10T14:00:53 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> about the sound cards it gives me only cards Generic and Generic_1
2021-03-10T14:01:22 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> if you wanna see i can send a link
2021-03-10T14:01:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah use ix.io or a similar pastebin to show the full error tracebacks if possible
2021-03-10T14:01:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you actually have two physical sound cards?
2021-03-10T14:02:46 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'd be interested in your `aplay -l` (lower-case) output as well
2021-03-10T14:03:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> http://ix.io/2Slv
2021-03-10T14:03:39 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> aplay -L
2021-03-10T14:04:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> http://ix.io/2Slx
2021-03-10T14:04:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> aplay -l
2021-03-10T14:05:22 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> so my default in alsamixer is the card 0
2021-03-10T14:05:39 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> but it have nothing only S/PDIF
2021-03-10T14:05:55 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i think i need change the default card right?
2021-03-10T14:06:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> looks like it, there's a way to have speaker-test target the other card to confirm...
2021-03-10T14:06:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> `speaker-test -D hw:1 -c 2` maybe?
2021-03-10T14:08:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> yep works well
2021-03-10T14:08:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> so looks like i need change
2021-03-10T14:09:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok great, so you can try the example default asoundrc described in here http://k1sslinux.org/wiki/software/alsa-utils
2021-03-10T14:09:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> yep
2021-03-10T14:09:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> so i understand about the default card
2021-03-10T14:09:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> cool, hope it works!
2021-03-10T14:09:52 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> so what about the device?
2021-03-10T14:10:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i would assume it's device 0
2021-03-10T14:10:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> card 1 device 0
2021-03-10T14:10:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you can rerun that speaker-test to confirm: speaker-test -D hw:1,0 -c 2
2021-03-10T14:11:02 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> okay
2021-03-10T14:11:17 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> yep it this
2021-03-10T14:11:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> wunderbar!
2021-03-10T14:11:39 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> can you explain to me why i have 2 cards and one not works?
2021-03-10T14:12:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> is a driver missing in other card?
2021-03-10T14:12:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> no, i think it's the case described here: https://karuvally.github.io/blog/fixing-alsa
2021-03-10T14:13:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "modern machines have two sets of sound cards. One on the motherboard and other on the Intel HD Graphics GPU"
2021-03-10T14:16:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i have this in my lspci  Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Raven/Raven2/Fenghuang HDMI/DP Audio Controller
2021-03-10T14:16:32 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I need maybe build a raven driver?
2021-03-10T14:16:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i not build it
2021-03-10T14:16:42 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i men in firmware
2021-03-10T14:17:02 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> you think i need to put in firmware loader?
2021-03-10T14:26:41 #kisslinux <acheam> lord have mercy on me, i'm trying out emacs
2021-03-10T14:27:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Man the .asoundrc wont work
2021-03-10T14:27:32 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> May a have to use asound.conf?
2021-03-10T14:27:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> It have no file
2021-03-10T14:36:16 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay i put the asoundrc file
2021-03-10T14:36:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And in theori i looks right now
2021-03-10T14:36:32 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But no sound
2021-03-10T14:49:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay alsa works now
2021-03-10T14:50:17 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The wiki is missing the ctl defaults.ctl.card part
2021-03-10T15:06:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: please check for squash merges next time, the community log is filled with my commits
2021-03-10T15:07:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> github keeps changing the option i'm selecting when merging :X
2021-03-10T15:11:04 #kisslinux <acheam> lol "chromium: bruh"
2021-03-10T15:27:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i think not squashing even added a 2mb big patch in the git history
2021-03-10T15:27:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol
2021-03-10T15:28:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a rich history
2021-03-10T15:31:57 #kisslinux <varbhat> do you use emacs?
2021-03-10T15:45:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium gah :|
2021-03-10T15:51:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> dilyn
2021-03-10T15:51:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i dont know if is the firefox in kiss
2021-03-10T15:52:02 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> but the k1sslinux.org is break in firefox
2021-03-10T15:52:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> the | and --- are in wrong place
2021-03-10T15:55:37 #kisslinux <ctb0> i think that has to do with your installed font hellboy2d
2021-03-10T15:57:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> on my end it varies by font, font size, and window dimensions
2021-03-10T15:58:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> looks perfect on my phone tho :S
2021-03-10T15:58:51 #kisslinux <ctb0> the | and --- will not line up properly if you don't have a monospace font installed
2021-03-10T16:01:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> oh okay
2021-03-10T16:01:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> thanks
2021-03-10T16:02:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> monospace is bae
2021-03-10T16:03:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> jedavies: you may be right that llvm does not require perl. I'm uncertain how it ended up in my depends file...
2021-03-10T16:11:31 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> guys shell dont have a halt command?
2021-03-10T16:18:14 #kisslinux <aarng> what do you mean?
2021-03-10T16:19:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i do doas halt
2021-03-10T16:19:12 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> and nothing
2021-03-10T16:19:22 #kisslinux <aarng> use poweroff
2021-03-10T16:19:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-03-10T16:19:35 #kisslinux <aarng> :D
2021-03-10T16:19:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> hope he didn't need anything else
2021-03-10T16:23:08 #kisslinux <aarng> I should have told him the kiss way is `sync` then pulling the power cord
2021-03-10T16:26:28 #kisslinux <aarng> btw. what do I do with inline code in wiki articles?
2021-03-10T16:26:33 #kisslinux <aarng> Use `...
2021-03-10T16:26:46 #kisslinux <aarng> Or just abostrophes, or nothing at all?
2021-03-10T16:27:08 #kisslinux <aarng> s/abostrophes/apostrophes/
2021-03-10T16:27:09 #kisslinux <kissbot> <aarng> Or just apostrophes, or nothing at all?
2021-03-10T16:33:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would generally look like this https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/boot/efistub
2021-03-10T16:37:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn what do you think of the markdown kiss site
2021-03-10T16:54:23 #kisslinux <aarng> I want to somehow mark inline code, basically single word commands
2021-03-10T16:54:29 #kisslinux <aarng> an entire code box would be overkill
2021-03-10T16:56:53 #kisslinux <acheam> right, that's an issue with the current plaintext syste
2021-03-10T16:56:55 #kisslinux <acheam> m
2021-03-10T16:56:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I think backticks works
2021-03-10T16:57:13 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: he made a statment about it on his original blog
2021-03-10T16:57:40 #kisslinux <acheam> basically: It's nice, the work is appreciated, and it could go somewhere at some point, but for now, the plaintext will stay as the default site
2021-03-10T16:58:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-03-10T16:58:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i must've forgotten then
2021-03-10T16:58:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> i have said many things, sometimes it's hard for even me to keep them all straight c:
2021-03-10T17:00:01 #kisslinux <acheam> the wise words of a lunatic
2021-03-10T17:00:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-10T17:00:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> aarng: I don't know that an entire code box is 'overkill' if only because it's the only way we have to demarcate single lines of code
2021-03-10T17:00:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> changing formats to say markdown would give us greater flexibility, which is why I'm thinking about it
2021-03-10T17:01:10 #kisslinux <acheam> you could always write a markdown converter that converts the markdown into the exact same style
2021-03-10T17:01:43 #kisslinux <acheam> wouldn't be too hard to do in posix sh
2021-03-10T17:01:48 #kisslinux <acheam> for basic things like code blocks
2021-03-10T17:01:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed
2021-03-10T17:02:01 #kisslinux <acheam> and then we don't have to worry about things like bold, italics, etc, because we already don't use those
2021-03-10T17:02:02 #kisslinux <aarng> I'm using the boxes already but there are cases where you need things to be inline
2021-03-10T17:02:37 #kisslinux <aarng> I guess I will just keep using backticks then
2021-03-10T17:02:42 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: the website is already monospace, why not just sorround the code in backticks or quotes?
2021-03-10T17:02:44 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-03-10T17:03:04 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, that's what I've done so far. Was just asking if it's ok
2021-03-10T17:03:15 #kisslinux <aarng> but dilyn is forcing the boxes on me :D
2021-03-10T17:03:26 #kisslinux <acheam> everyone must conform
2021-03-10T17:04:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> conform or die
2021-03-10T17:05:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> does anyone know an alternative to `bat`
2021-03-10T17:05:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/sharkdp/bat
2021-03-10T17:05:29 #kisslinux <acheam> cat
2021-03-10T17:05:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-03-10T17:05:52 #kisslinux <aarng> ^
2021-03-10T17:05:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I just open files in vim if I want syntax highlighting and stuff
2021-03-10T17:05:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> that order seems backwards xD
2021-03-10T17:06:42 #kisslinux <aarng> you can also use something like `highlight` for standalone syntax highlighting
2021-03-10T17:07:05 #kisslinux <acheam> or pygmentize
2021-03-10T17:07:21 #kisslinux <aarng> I smell python
2021-03-10T17:07:37 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah its not great, but I use it in a few places and it works well
2021-03-10T17:07:45 #kisslinux <acheam> s/ize/s
2021-03-10T17:07:57 #kisslinux <acheam> namely, my website, and stagit
2021-03-10T17:08:04 #kisslinux <acheam> so, I guess just my website
2021-03-10T17:08:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser_[m]: I noticed the python 2 path/to/trash.py in the chromium build has been replaced
2021-03-10T17:08:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> do we have a strong idea on how much python2 code is left?
2021-03-10T17:09:22 #kisslinux <acheam> shouldn't be too hard to write a little script that checks all the packages in the repo for python2 code
2021-03-10T17:09:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> im pretty sure its the same cuz the scripts worked with python3 earlier too, just changed it cuz arch dropped `python2` from `path/to/file`
2021-03-10T17:10:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> there's like a million python scripts. still ages for it to go
2021-03-10T17:10:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> only qt5 webengine and chromium need it acheam
2021-03-10T17:10:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> which are basically the same
2021-03-10T17:11:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah webengine only needs it because of chromium afaik
2021-03-10T17:11:19 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-03-10T17:11:35 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't webengine just repackaged chromium?
2021-03-10T17:11:48 #kisslinux <acheam> with qt libs on top
2021-03-10T17:11:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> kindof
2021-03-10T17:11:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-03-10T17:12:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's chromium++ lol
2021-03-10T17:12:17 #kisslinux <acheam> chromium = firefox--;
2021-03-10T17:12:50 #kisslinux <acheam> sh: browser: segmentation fault (core dumped)
2021-03-10T17:13:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it's sad that the only usable browsers are complete garbage
2021-03-10T17:13:35 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-03-10T17:13:41 #kisslinux <acheam> screw "web developers"
2021-03-10T17:13:47 #kisslinux <acheam> why did they have to do this to us
2021-03-10T17:13:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1112471 fun
2021-03-10T17:14:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> consoomers need that flashy js
2021-03-10T17:14:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> facebook's desktop website is literally a waste of space
2021-03-10T17:14:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> ti's a 1-to-1 mirror of the android/ios app
2021-03-10T17:14:49 #kisslinux <acheam> but but but how could i ever make a website without loading boostrap from googleapis.com help help help
2021-03-10T17:14:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> so two thirds of the screen are just empty space
2021-03-10T17:14:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what's even worse is that Mozilla basically depends on Google for most of its monies
2021-03-10T17:15:01 #kisslinux <acheam> mozilla is dead
2021-03-10T17:15:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> that money is drying up tho ain't it?
2021-03-10T17:15:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> the contract expired i thought
2021-03-10T17:15:14 #kisslinux <acheam> it is indeed
2021-03-10T17:15:20 #kisslinux <acheam> I think its still there
2021-03-10T17:15:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-10T17:15:31 #kisslinux <acheam> if only so that google can say "look, we don't have a monopoly!"
2021-03-10T17:15:44 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: you don't have a right to say f, you chromium scum
2021-03-10T17:15:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> mozilla is dead, and I killed him
2021-03-10T17:16:10 #kisslinux <acheam> *gasp*
2021-03-10T17:21:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i think im gonna have to switch to ff on my gkiss host, don't wanna spend 2x8 hrs every few weeks for a browser
2021-03-10T17:21:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> or i could just update less often but muh bleeding edge
2021-03-10T17:46:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> question for people in the crowd not using nawk: if you do ./configure for libffi, do the tail commands in the Makefile say `tail -1` or `tail -n 1` ?
2021-03-10T17:47:07 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> GUYS
2021-03-10T17:47:14 #kisslinux <kyao> what
2021-03-10T17:47:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Can anyone help with the replacing udev article
2021-03-10T17:47:42 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I dont understand well
2021-03-10T17:47:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I try but
2021-03-10T17:48:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Keyboards wont work
2021-03-10T18:05:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Well, do you have Xorg drivers installed, hellboy2d?
2021-03-10T18:08:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> check if everything works with eudev first
2021-03-10T18:09:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> if it does then you should just be able to force remove eudev and rebuild 2-3 things against libudev-zero, and enable mdev service
2021-03-10T18:21:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Even if mozilla will bankrupt of whatever it still does not matter at this point due to wide range of privacy-oriented forks and whatnot. Icecat, librewolf, waterfox and every other little thing. There won't be better browser in terms of customizability with about:config, profiles and many other things. There are no replacement for firefox other
2021-03-10T18:21:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> than  forks.
2021-03-10T18:22:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they all depend on ff for security patches and stuff no?
2021-03-10T18:26:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Afaik they're not keeping same version names so if they use these patches its too chaotic to track I would say
2021-03-10T18:26:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Probably yes
2021-03-10T18:29:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> what are the less bloated init?
2021-03-10T18:29:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But for example palemoon went different way even if imo it sucks in too many ways to use
2021-03-10T18:34:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hellboy2d busybox init is minimal enough, you can try hummingbird
2021-03-10T18:34:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> and sinit?
2021-03-10T18:35:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> if you're having problems with your system already on multiple occasions I would suggest not bothering with this lol
2021-03-10T18:35:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> the easiest one would probably be baseinit
2021-03-10T18:36:10 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> but can i use sinit in kiss?
2021-03-10T18:43:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> sinit or shinit
2021-03-10T18:43:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> there are many inits
2021-03-10T18:43:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> (check community)
2021-03-10T18:43:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> what you think is more minimal?
2021-03-10T18:45:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably shinit
2021-03-10T18:45:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> isn't it just five lines
2021-03-10T18:45:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> by now you're asking opinions not facts. theres' different features. its not always about having minimal system as it becomes meme at this point
2021-03-10T18:45:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/cemkeylan/shinit
2021-03-10T18:45:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-10T18:47:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> nxghtmvrx yeah but i just wanna try for knowledge and a little challenge
2021-03-10T18:48:07 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> t
2021-03-10T18:48:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> for knowledge theres bunch of wikis that will go in every little detail instead of just naming a few of them
2021-03-10T18:48:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> dylin thanks bro
2021-03-10T18:48:57 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> i know but iam newbie in this i just want the infos
2021-03-10T18:49:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> i haven't tested shinit but i used hummingbird for the longest time. i was a big fan
2021-03-10T18:49:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> and that's why if you get a problem all you do is ask around and roll back to previous solution
2021-03-10T18:50:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> keep a spare bootable usb handy for recovery in case it goes sideways. hard to fix init if it doesn't work xD
2021-03-10T18:50:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'm not criticizing or anything. Just thinking rationally about reasons I guess. Do as you wish
2021-03-10T18:51:18 #kisslinux * nxghtmvrx shrugs
2021-03-10T18:51:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> nxghtmvrx not at all i handled mdev with myself and alsasound i do a little search because the infos are incomplete
2021-03-10T18:51:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And if i not question anyone i never be in kiss
2021-03-10T18:53:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think they're just pointing out that it's a vague and bad question
2021-03-10T18:53:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ^
2021-03-10T18:53:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'd have to qualify it; minimalist in what sense? LOCs? shinit. things it does? hummingbird, our baseinit, maybe sinit?
2021-03-10T18:54:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> minimalist == speed? probably hummingbird and baseinit
2021-03-10T18:54:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> lots of ways to take it, lots of possible answers
2021-03-10T18:54:29 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> muh runit rocks tho
2021-03-10T18:54:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> muh s6
2021-03-10T18:55:00 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I understand
2021-03-10T18:55:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> When i say minimalism is about less line of code and speed
2021-03-10T18:56:00 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> If it does the job i get it
2021-03-10T18:58:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Wait what. Gentoo's Larry The Cow was exherebo mascot all that time and I didn't knew it wut
2021-03-10T18:58:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> the nice thing is you can easily just install a bunch of them and test :)
2021-03-10T18:59:03 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> yeah i do it, i just bad in search some infos in english but i will try
2021-03-10T19:00:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I imagine that can be quite challenging
2021-03-10T19:00:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> wont /bin/init overwrite each other or anything like that? interesting
2021-03-10T19:00:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> they won't! https://k1sslinux.org/package-manager#3.2
2021-03-10T19:02:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I knew about alternatives system but not about its specifics like that. That's something
2021-03-10T19:04:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> to be honest I'm really surprised hellboy migrated from gentoo with this much of a knowledge
2021-03-10T19:06:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> tbh it's pretty easy to install KISS. 1) have arch with grub installed; 2) follow instructions; 3) for the kernel, just download the sources and do `make allyesconfig`, install next to Arch's kernel; 3) exit chroot, use arch's grub to add the boot entry; 4) reboot
2021-03-10T19:06:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> and if you are poorly prepared, you'll be dumped into a system that can be super hard to handle
2021-03-10T19:07:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> but after that it's about as easy as `kiss b xorg-server && kiss i xorg-server && kiss b sowm st && kiss i sowm st && kiss b firefox && kiss i firefox` gg all done
2021-03-10T19:08:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah its easy to do base install by instructions. Literal nobrainer. But not with troubleshooting swapped device file manager and etc
2021-03-10T19:14:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Any experiences with exherebo? Heard many good things but never tried. Like their package manager that unlike ebuild does not have many problems and legacy stuff piled over the years
2021-03-10T19:19:43 #kisslinux <acheam> the website makes them sound super elitist
2021-03-10T19:37:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah Im really sold on their writings but I think their package manager in C++ which is a big no-no for me. Also alternatives system sounds interesting if I could mess with toolchain swapping compilers and stuff
2021-03-10T19:47:42 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If I remember exherbo story right they split from gentoo which explains why their package manager not really part of their distro and put in sort of separate development. Originally Paludis was replacement for ebuild long time ago
2021-03-10T19:54:09 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I don't know about exherbo, but paludis was using ebuilds, like portage. Basically it was an effort of having a package manager in C for Gentoo, but it died.
2021-03-10T20:02:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Their sources all .cc by which I assumed its C++. Looking at sources confirmes it too. So even if it was originally in C sadly not anymore
2021-03-10T21:41:04 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Should I point my links at https://k1ss.net/ or https://k1sslinux.org/ ? This server says k1ss.net but the community repo says k1sslinux.org
2021-03-10T21:42:08 #kisslinux <himmalerin> "This server" being the channel's topic
2021-03-10T21:42:25 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It shouldn't matter as they all just mirrors
2021-03-10T21:44:26 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-03-10T21:44:37 #kisslinux <acheam> k1sslinux.org is the official now
2021-03-10T21:44:59 #kisslinux <acheam> k1ss.net is a mirror, I need to change the link in the topic
2021-03-10T21:45:23 #kisslinux <himmalerin> got it, thanks!
2021-03-10T21:45:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ah k. but are there any real difference? content on sites are still the same
2021-03-10T21:46:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only difference is I myself am maintaining k1sslinux.org and that site is the definitive word on what's up with KISS
2021-03-10T21:47:06 #kisslinux <acheam> no k1sslinux.org is Dylin's and has more recent wiki articles and posts, k1ss.net and kiss.armaanb.net point to my server and mirror what was on k1ss.org
2021-03-10T21:47:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can point to any mirror you want (or even make a mirror if you'd like! what fun) but k1sslinux.org is the official spot to go
2021-03-10T21:47:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah the biggest issue you'd face with mirrors is that they run out of sync
2021-03-10T21:48:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> why is it k1sslinux and not kisslinux tho?
2021-03-10T21:48:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> at first I remember original site was kiss too and then changed
2021-03-10T21:48:32 #kisslinux <acheam> kisslinux.org was taken I think
2021-03-10T21:48:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^ :(
2021-03-10T21:49:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah Void guys had the same problems that someone stole their voidlinux.eu site at some point lol
2021-03-10T21:51:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> but that's great that finally its org domain like official thing!
2021-03-10T21:51:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> unoficially official
2021-03-10T21:53:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> #conformist
2021-03-10T21:59:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> I should see if there's a way to tell python somewhere in the build system to not fiddle around with ctypes because we're on linux when building statically
2021-03-10T21:59:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> i dont' have these dumb problems with a regular python >=|
2021-03-10T22:03:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> I can specify --host and --target, and --host can be linux. can --target be linux? :thinking:
2021-03-10T22:03:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> the answer is no
2021-03-10T22:03:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Isn't target for arch or something like that?
2021-03-10T22:04:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'd think, but there'sa  check in configure!
2021-03-10T22:04:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> or not, I guess. wtf
2021-03-10T22:04:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe I can't read
2021-03-10T22:06:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah, i can't read it. *-*-linux*.
2021-03-10T22:06:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> so they aren't crazy
2021-03-10T22:06:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> how do I escape single/double quotes to still exec stuff in shell script? tried $ but still not expected result
2021-03-10T22:07:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> well, single quotes does not need to be escaped
2021-03-10T22:08:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> or maybe problem with me doing $(something something)
2021-03-10T22:16:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're trying to subshell, don't escape $
2021-03-10T22:17:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> maybe the problem that I'm using python subshell, not sure
2021-03-10T22:17:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> trying to script example from kirc wiki for plain sasl
2021-03-10T22:21:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Tried using (), {} and escaping only $ or with brackets too. No result `python -c 'import base64; print(base64.encodebytes(b"$1x00$1x00$(something something)"))'`
2021-03-10T22:30:21 #kisslinux <aarng> busybox fold(1) is so bad, why tf does it leave random spaces at the end of lines...
2021-03-10T22:30:52 #kisslinux <aarng> had to write my own in awk
2021-03-10T22:37:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah that was probably some python-related problem. Just replaced with $2
2021-03-10T22:47:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> woo new song
2021-03-10T22:47:22 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-03-10T22:50:19 #kisslinux <travankor> i just found out that templeos has a theme song
2021-03-10T22:50:33 #kisslinux <travankor> or had i guess
2021-03-10T22:50:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah rather some sounds than song i'd say
2021-03-10T22:51:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> but still pretty nice
2021-03-10T22:53:34 #kisslinux <travankor> https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=IdYMA6hY_74
2021-03-10T22:56:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Dave Eddy did multiple templeos remixes including piano and sm64
2021-03-10T22:57:35 #kisslinux <travankor> yeah, he's also on Void (bahamas10 iirc)
2021-03-10T22:59:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Looks like he's big fan tho. Even templeos print on t-shirt
2021-03-10T23:01:45 #kisslinux <travankor> templeos used to have an irc channeel on rizon
2021-03-10T23:02:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> gone by now I suppose
2021-03-10T23:02:13 #kisslinux <travankor> yeah probably
2021-03-10T23:02:24 #kisslinux <himmalerin> dilyn: was poking around on k1sslinux.org, it seems like all of the "@" prefixed links point to k1ss.net instead of k1sslinux.org
2021-03-10T23:05:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you sure?
2021-03-10T23:05:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's only two instances of k1ss.net in all of docs and they're in the blog post i put up 2 days ago...
2021-03-10T23:05:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> all the other links to other pages should just be relative hrefs
2021-03-10T23:06:59 #kisslinux <himmalerin> oh shoot, you're right. I had tabs a k1ss.net tab left over from when i was looking at both of them and clicked on that one instead of the k1sslinux.org one
2021-03-10T23:07:02 #kisslinux <himmalerin> sorry lmao
2021-03-10T23:07:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao you're fine
2021-03-10T23:07:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> i do that too often. makes me think i'm crazy
2021-03-10T23:09:01 #kisslinux <acheam> ngl, emacs is kind of comfy
2021-03-10T23:09:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> of course. operating system should be comfy
2021-03-10T23:10:04 #kisslinux * acheam glances at windows
2021-03-10T23:11:16 #kisslinux <acheam> but its kind of funny: i'm learning emacs from a series where the guy uses exwm (emacs window manager) on GNU guiks
2021-03-10T23:11:19 #kisslinux <acheam> guix
2021-03-10T23:11:25 #kisslinux <acheam> its the ultimate gnu setup
2021-03-10T23:12:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> now try emacs irc, emacs browser, emacs email, emacs rss client and etc lmao
2021-03-10T23:13:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lifehack on how to cut amount of packages in any distro
2021-03-10T23:13:08 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-10T23:13:22 #kisslinux <dgre> i should go gnu full ball some time
2021-03-10T23:13:22 #kisslinux <dgre> nxghtmvrx: uninstall firefox
2021-03-10T23:13:29 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/akirakyle/emacs-webkit
2021-03-10T23:13:45 #kisslinux <dgre> JESYS
2021-03-10T23:13:56 #kisslinux <dgre> > xkcd as example
2021-03-10T23:14:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I would if there was a point of me uninstalling it
2021-03-10T23:14:29 #kisslinux <dgre> time for emacs-webkit
2021-03-10T23:14:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> WAOW happy soydev noises
2021-03-10T23:17:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> emacs has become too powerful
2021-03-10T23:17:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ah I skipped emacs shell, my bad
2021-03-10T23:17:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> emacs as pid2
2021-03-10T23:17:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> who needs a shell anyway
2021-03-10T23:17:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> systemE:
2021-03-10T23:17:50 #kisslinux <aarng> https://termbin.com/pusc < would appreciate if someone could proof read
2021-03-10T23:18:04 #kisslinux <aarng> disclaimer: I'm a horrible writer, even more so in english
2021-03-10T23:18:28 #kisslinux <dgre> soydev noise is if you still had firefox installed
2021-03-10T23:18:28 #kisslinux <dgre> > https://github.com/akirakyle/emacs-webkit
2021-03-10T23:18:28 #kisslinux <dgre> last commit dec2020 ;(
2021-03-10T23:19:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lemme raise a bar: soydev noises if you still had linux installed
2021-03-10T23:20:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> cursory glance aarng: NEXINIT source... -> don't use source, use .
2021-03-10T23:20:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably don't use backticks for env variables; ` with commands is acceptable tho
2021-03-10T23:20:38 #kisslinux <aarng> that's not a shell command ;)
2021-03-10T23:20:59 #kisslinux <dgre> > Lemme raise a bar: soydev noises if you still had linux installed
2021-03-10T23:20:59 #kisslinux <dgre> brb going to guix
2021-03-10T23:21:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Now we're talkin'
2021-03-10T23:21:23 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah true, will remove them for env vars
2021-03-10T23:23:38 #kisslinux <dgre> > but its kind of funny: i'm learning emacs from a series where the guy uses exwm (emacs window manager) on GNU guix
2021-03-10T23:23:38 #kisslinux <dgre> acheam: but is he doing Hurd?
2021-03-10T23:24:07 #kisslinux <acheam> what kind of question is that, ofc hes using hurd! What other option is there?
2021-03-10T23:24:30 #kisslinux <acheam> I heard that the people at the Linux foundation were working on something but its been 30 years and they're still in beta
2021-03-10T23:24:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> (obsd)
2021-03-10T23:24:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> alpha probably
2021-03-10T23:24:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> The quality is too raw
2021-03-10T23:25:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Maybe in my lifetime when I'll be old fart we get to beta eventually
2021-03-10T23:27:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also you don't need git when using emacs. It has its own magit client
2021-03-10T23:27:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> How nice is that
2021-03-10T23:27:49 #kisslinux <acheam> magit isn't built in
2021-03-10T23:28:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah but still
2021-03-10T23:29:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Alright. That's the ultimate solution. Kiss with 25 installed packages because emacs replaced everything
2021-03-10T23:29:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> No one can beat me at that
2021-03-10T23:29:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> but can you build it stativ
2021-03-10T23:30:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/stativ/static
2021-03-10T23:30:04 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> but can you build it static
2021-03-10T23:30:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Now need to post my rice to reddit real quick
2021-03-10T23:30:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That sexy framebuffer
2021-03-10T23:32:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh wow  i can have firefox inside emacs
2021-03-10T23:33:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a firefox fork written in lisp ?
2021-03-10T23:34:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hmm no, must be in guile probably
2021-03-10T23:34:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since guile is jitted
2021-03-10T23:34:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Not sure. Its called exwm-firefox inside doom emacs
2021-03-10T23:34:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since we want our lisp to be fast
2021-03-10T23:40:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah its not fork. Just the package to load firefox inside emacs framebuffer. Sad
2021-03-10T23:43:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Since its framebuffer I think its possible to use exwm without xorg
2021-03-10T23:44:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Then I would switch to emacs for sure
2021-03-10T23:51:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=LPwr8WeE8jU
2021-03-10T23:52:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> waow emacs talks on linux.conf.au
2021-03-10T23:53:32 #kisslinux <acheam> linux.conf.au has some interesting talks
2021-03-10T23:55:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lots I'd say. there's not much interesting outside of them
2021-03-10T23:55:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> huh, when the face of that girl popped up i intuitively looked for a keyboard shortcut to "fix" the image
2021-03-10T23:56:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hmm, or was it the voice
2021-03-10T23:58:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> new feature: rewrite lisp code in C because it was too slow
2021-03-10T23:58:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> sh4rm4^bnc: s/feature/torture device/
2021-03-10T23:58:42 #kisslinux <kissbot> <sh4rm4^bnc> new torture device: rewrite lisp code in C because it was too slow