2021-03-18T00:09:02 #kisslinux <acheam> love fossil
2021-03-18T00:09:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I wonder if its possible to build a minimal version without the server, etc
2021-03-18T00:26:35 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: You mean the web interface?
2021-03-18T00:31:10 #kisslinux <acheam> yes merakor
2021-03-18T00:42:57 #kisslinux <merakor> It doesn't seem to be
2021-03-18T00:47:21 #kisslinux <merakor> I'm not sure if it can be patched out without issues since the server is so integrated with the program
2021-03-18T00:47:35 #kisslinux <merakor> It is one of the key features after all
2021-03-18T00:50:27 #kisslinux <merakor> It's not a huge size anyway. Static git plus documentation is 22M on my system.
2021-03-18T00:50:48 #kisslinux <merakor> Fossil has the documentation built-in and the static size is 4M
2021-03-18T00:51:26 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm
2021-03-18T00:51:33 #kisslinux <acheam> its more about the spirit of the thing
2021-03-18T00:52:01 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah
2021-03-18T00:54:23 #kisslinux <merakor> I was building git with perl enabled though
2021-03-18T00:54:34 #kisslinux <merakor> Okay git minus docs is 19M
2021-03-18T00:54:38 #kisslinux <merakor> minus perl is 18M
2021-03-18T01:03:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't install docs (or perl, python stuff, etc.) and I patch git so that the internal libgit it uses is shared instead of static and with all of that I have sub-10M git
2021-03-18T01:03:29 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh wait actually I do have man pages lol
2021-03-18T01:05:47 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah git can be small when linked with shared internal library, but I prefer to statically link the important stuff as much as I can.
2021-03-18T01:06:08 #kisslinux <merakor> I'm personally not bothered with program size
2021-03-18T01:06:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah I do to, I made that patch before then, but it's such a relatively large size difference that I've kept it around
2021-03-18T01:06:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> too*
2021-03-18T01:07:01 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah the size difference is really funny
2021-03-18T01:07:20 #kisslinux <merakor> Like the remote-http helper alone is 2.2M
2021-03-18T01:07:28 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah ok if you disregard the man pages my git is just under 5.3M
2021-03-18T01:07:57 #kisslinux <merakor> Lol
2021-03-18T01:08:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol I assume you have git-remote-http statically linked? for me it's 72K
2021-03-18T01:08:22 #kisslinux <merakor> Yup it is statically linked
2021-03-18T01:08:33 #kisslinux <E5ten> idk if libgit adds enough to get that to 2.2M or if you have all its libs statically liked?
2021-03-18T01:08:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> cuz it also uses libcurl
2021-03-18T01:08:51 #kisslinux <merakor> It is entirely statically linked
2021-03-18T01:09:05 #kisslinux <E5ten> ah yeah, probably libcurl adding most of the size there I'm guessing?
2021-03-18T01:09:45 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, it also links with bearssl, which is the dependency of libcurl
2021-03-18T01:09:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> ah, bearssl isn't too big though is it?
2021-03-18T01:10:27 #kisslinux <merakor> Bearssl is small
2021-03-18T01:10:35 #kisslinux <E5ten> my libcurl.so statically links libressl so I'm hiding a lot of size that would end up in static git there lol
2021-03-18T01:10:39 #kisslinux <merakor> The majority of the size is from curl
2021-03-18T01:12:03 #kisslinux <merakor> Actually, the majority of the size should be from libgit :D
2021-03-18T01:12:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah lol looking at what files from my git package are what size, almost everything is libgit
2021-03-18T01:12:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> libgit.so is 4788K out of like 5.3M total
2021-03-18T01:12:35 #kisslinux <merakor> Jesus, that's a lot
2021-03-18T01:12:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah lol, and then it gets statically linked in like a decent amount of binaries
2021-03-18T01:13:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> not that many though cuz almost all the git commands are just symlinks to git
2021-03-18T01:13:11 #kisslinux <E5ten> well it gets statically linked normally, obviously not for me
2021-03-18T01:13:31 #kisslinux <merakor> Some of them are symlinks to each other
2021-03-18T01:13:43 #kisslinux <merakor> remote-http is also remote-https and remote-ftp
2021-03-18T01:14:36 #kisslinux <merakor> The build system also refuses to link with libcurl when you are building statically
2021-03-18T01:14:45 #kisslinux <merakor> Which is quite strange
2021-03-18T01:15:24 #kisslinux <merakor> I do the link manually on the build script
2021-03-18T01:30:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> huh that's weird, I'm gonna look and see if I can figure out why that is
2021-03-18T01:31:03 #kisslinux <E5ten> this just reminded me to update git, so I was terrified that my patch wasn't gonna apply and I was gonna have to modify it to fit the current upstream, which would be a nightmare cuz I just got high lol
2021-03-18T01:33:06 #kisslinux <merakor> I remember sending a mail patch to Dylan while drunk
2021-03-18T01:33:33 #kisslinux <merakor> And I sent like 5 mails because I was so fucking high and wrote 4 garbage patches
2021-03-18T01:33:41 #kisslinux <E5ten> lmaooo
2021-03-18T01:34:14 #kisslinux <E5ten> never code high is advice we should probably both follow tbh lol, but sometimes it's hard to resist
2021-03-18T01:34:41 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, I have a commit somewhere on CPT that reminds me to not commit when high
2021-03-18T01:34:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol nice
2021-03-18T01:35:42 #kisslinux <merakor> https://git.carbslinux.org/cpt/commit/?id=fb4da0e961d64886618bd7b920ef2e9c5fcc6eb3
2021-03-18T01:35:47 #kisslinux <merakor> There it is lmao
2021-03-18T01:36:42 #kisslinux <merakor> That's the same day I sent those patches to Dylan
2021-03-18T01:36:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> that's amazing
2021-03-18T01:37:06 #kisslinux <merakor> All my mails were "I got it this time I'm so sorry"
2021-03-18T01:37:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> my git build failed and I was like "oh no, is it the patch, do I have to figure out what's wrong" but then I was like "wait no lemme just do a clean build" and it worked
2021-03-18T01:37:53 #kisslinux <merakor> Nice
2021-03-18T01:51:25 #kisslinux <acheam> try finding contributors of this quality anywhere else folks!
2021-03-18T01:53:45 #kisslinux <acheam> oh shoot the song of the day
2021-03-18T01:53:53 #kisslinux <merakor> At least my commit messages weren't as bad for the mails I sent to Dylan :^)
2021-03-18T01:55:50 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry midfavila, I wasn't ready to make such a strong statement with the anprim anthem
2021-03-18T01:55:57 #kisslinux <acheam> I am but a sheep
2021-03-18T01:57:04 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhhh why is there acheam- and acheam_ in here.....
2021-03-18T01:57:26 #kisslinux <merakor> Why don't you ask acheam
2021-03-18T01:57:33 #kisslinux <acheam> damn why didn't I think of that
2021-03-18T01:58:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I have genuinely no clue what acheam- is....
2021-03-18T01:58:25 #kisslinux <merakor> An impersonator?
2021-03-18T01:58:31 #kisslinux <acheam> *gasp*
2021-03-18T01:58:51 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh god
2021-03-18T01:58:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> merakor: I was just looking at cpt cuz you linked it, and in tools/install.sh, in like the 20s lines, you use eval with set, and the only part of the statement I can see that seems to be related to the fact that it's using eval is the ${1+'"$@"'}. But doesn't "$@" evaluate to nothing if $1 doesn't exist? so wouldn't just set -- <the stuff in the first set of quotes> "$@" be the same?
2021-03-18T02:01:40 #kisslinux <merakor> No, because the REST variable will be something like '"${1}" "${3}"'
2021-03-18T02:02:14 #kisslinux <merakor> If you run 'set --' on that the arguments will be "${1}" "${3}"
2021-03-18T02:02:38 #kisslinux <merakor> Running eval set will set the arguments to what 1 and 3 actually is
2021-03-18T02:03:48 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't see how that works with everything being single quoted as it's passed to eval
2021-03-18T02:04:03 #kisslinux <E5ten> where does the indirection happen?
2021-03-18T02:05:21 #kisslinux <merakor> eval doesn't care about single quotes
2021-03-18T02:06:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> ok look at this, I think this is equivalent to what you're doing, where you expect the result to be the contents of $1, as opposed to being ${1}: http://ix.io/2Tgf
2021-03-18T02:06:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> never compile me or my three kernels ever again, acheam
2021-03-18T02:06:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> filthy centrist scum
2021-03-18T02:07:53 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: you're going with centrist? Lol
2021-03-18T02:08:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-18T02:08:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> how dare you have moderate opinions
2021-03-18T02:08:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> to the gulag-oven-chamber with you
2021-03-18T02:09:43 #kisslinux <E5ten> merakor: try it without the eval, and replace the ${1+'"$@"'} with just "$@", and then insert echos to tell you what the variables are
2021-03-18T02:09:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> it works the same from what I can tell
2021-03-18T02:11:57 #kisslinux <merakor> E5ten: what's happening is more similar to this https://termbin.com/v4dc
2021-03-18T02:12:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> no but I mean I literally tried it in your script
2021-03-18T02:12:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> I put in echos below the set call for $1 and $2, and I ran it with the eval, and without
2021-03-18T02:12:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> same thing
2021-03-18T02:13:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah that makes sense
2021-03-18T02:13:47 #kisslinux <merakor> I used an option parser generator named getoptions
2021-03-18T02:13:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> ah
2021-03-18T02:14:09 #kisslinux <merakor> https://github.com/ko1nksm/getoptions
2021-03-18T02:14:20 #kisslinux <E5ten> if you'd like, I'd rewrite the option parser by hand sometime and you can see what you prefer
2021-03-18T02:14:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> whenever I have to deal with something more complex than getopts can handle, I hand write them, so I have a bit of experience with it, although idk if you'll prefer what I write lol
2021-03-18T02:15:01 #kisslinux <acheam> bruv wtf are these shortcuts merakor
2021-03-18T02:15:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> (also it's dumb as shit that this thing uses the OPTARG and OPTIND variables, why would you intentionally conflict with special variables that a shell builtin sets)
2021-03-18T02:15:23 #kisslinux <acheam> getting sloppy I see
2021-03-18T02:16:09 #kisslinux <E5ten> so wait, merakor, the entire parse() function is generated by that thing?
2021-03-18T02:16:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah
2021-03-18T02:16:42 #kisslinux <E5ten> so like none of the little details of how it works really matter as long as it parses the same options the same way, it's just all what the generator did
2021-03-18T02:17:00 #kisslinux <E5ten> I mean really matter to you specifically, as in you did them that way on purpose or anything
2021-03-18T02:17:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> (cuz like obviously details matter in a general sense)
2021-03-18T02:17:54 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean, the generator overall is pretty good
2021-03-18T02:18:27 #kisslinux <E5ten> idk lol, pretty suspicious of it with all these unneeded evals
2021-03-18T02:18:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> and the OPT{ARG,IND} var name conflict thing
2021-03-18T02:18:41 #kisslinux <E5ten> just dumb
2021-03-18T02:18:57 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean what's the big deal of OPTARG conflict
2021-03-18T02:19:03 #kisslinux <merakor> Like you are literally using a parser
2021-03-18T02:19:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's not a big deal, it's just dumb
2021-03-18T02:19:26 #kisslinux <E5ten> like it will never be a problem, but there's just absolutely no reason to use the exact same variables
2021-03-18T02:19:34 #kisslinux <E5ten> like the user never interacts with those variables with this parser
2021-03-18T02:19:42 #kisslinux <E5ten> the caller does not loop, the generated func does
2021-03-18T02:20:00 #kisslinux <E5ten> these are entirely internal variables, so why are they using all-caps names that are special variables to a shell builtin?
2021-03-18T02:20:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's just the most ridiculous choice you could pick given the fact that the caller doesn't interact with the vars for this parser
2021-03-18T02:20:31 #kisslinux <merakor> That's fair tbh
2021-03-18T02:20:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> actually, this is all shortopts, you can literally just use getopts lol
2021-03-18T02:20:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> no need for a hand rolled parser
2021-03-18T02:22:06 #kisslinux <merakor> Is getopts defined by POSIX?
2021-03-18T02:22:27 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh it is
2021-03-18T02:23:08 #kisslinux <merakor> I thought it was like "local" where it was implemented by many, but not actually POSIX.
2021-03-18T02:24:09 #kisslinux <E5ten> http://ix.io/2Tgl this should literally be it lol
2021-03-18T02:24:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> I think that's the whole thing
2021-03-18T02:25:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh wait sorry I did 4-space indentation instead of 2, one sec
2021-03-18T02:25:29 #kisslinux <merakor> That's alright I prefer 4-space
2021-03-18T02:25:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> no wait you have 4, this is why you don't code high
2021-03-18T02:25:52 #kisslinux <merakor> LOL
2021-03-18T02:25:57 #kisslinux <merakor> Thanks for the patch
2021-03-18T02:26:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> I have no idea why I thought the code was 2 space for a second
2021-03-18T02:27:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> also just for control flow (so you can undintent the majority of your "main()", you can do 'if [ -z "$target" ]; then', and then move the body of your "else" section under that, then put "exit", then "fi", and then you can unindent the rest of the code
2021-03-18T02:30:20 #kisslinux <merakor> I'd prefer indenting with "else", it is easier to make sense of it.
2021-03-18T02:31:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> fair enough
2021-03-18T02:31:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> so totally unrelated but can I get rice advice from you guys
2021-03-18T02:33:13 #kisslinux <merakor> E5ten: I pushed the change, thanks again.
2021-03-18T02:33:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> np
2021-03-18T02:33:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> I hope you tested it because I certainly didn't
2021-03-18T02:33:47 #kisslinux <merakor> I did :D
2021-03-18T02:33:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> great lol
2021-03-18T02:34:06 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: I am a really bad ricer but ask anyway :D
2021-03-18T02:34:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you think eggs go well with rice
2021-03-18T02:34:54 #kisslinux <merakor> lmao I thought UNIX rice
2021-03-18T02:34:55 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-03-18T02:35:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> smells like the time I mentioned I had to cut onions
2021-03-18T02:35:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway been thinking of making like
2021-03-18T02:35:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk scrambled eggs or something
2021-03-18T02:35:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> and mixing those in with boiled rice
2021-03-18T02:35:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I have a lot of eggs, and a lot of rice
2021-03-18T02:36:46 #kisslinux <konimex> hoo boy looks like I missed the build system fun ~4hrs earlier
2021-03-18T02:36:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, yeah
2021-03-18T02:37:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> liberty circuit
2021-03-18T02:37:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's compiling and running but just... doesn't go beyond the initialization phase
2021-03-18T02:37:35 #kisslinux <konimex> everything goes well with rice over here, so yeah eggs with rice should be good enough for a quick meal
2021-03-18T02:38:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> been experimenting as of late
2021-03-18T02:38:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> this time I boiled it in beef broth
2021-03-18T02:38:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> is okay
2021-03-18T03:10:55 #kisslinux <acheam> konimex: where's here?
2021-03-18T03:11:21 #kisslinux <konimex> Indonesia
2021-03-18T03:11:41 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-03-18T03:29:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-18T03:40:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> hi
2021-03-18T03:56:02 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m]
2021-03-18T04:40:49 #kisslinux <jslick> hi
2021-03-18T08:15:16 #kisslinux <travankor> https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/6.8/common/017_libssl.patch.sig
2021-03-18T08:15:29 #kisslinux <travankor> libressl cve
2021-03-18T08:17:38 #kisslinux <travankor> dilyn or acheam is in charge of patching this stuff ^
2021-03-18T09:17:04 #kisslinux <travankor> are there good, large (14pt+) bitmap fonts?
2021-03-18T09:41:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I know only 12pt bitmap font that I'm using
2021-03-18T09:42:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But it depends on what you prefer. I've seen many nice 14+ fonts on github
2021-03-18T09:46:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Here's big collection with screenshots so you can easily choose what you like https://github.com/ianhan/BitmapFonts
2021-03-18T09:48:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> 16x16 there are really nice ones
2021-03-18T09:56:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> creep. gohu, gomme, knxt https://github.com/Tecate/bitmap-fonts
2021-03-18T09:57:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> knxt is probably the best choice
2021-03-18T09:58:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Tecate/bitmap-fonts/master/screenshots/knxt-20.png
2021-03-18T10:03:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lode and unscii https://github.com/Tecate/bitmap-fonts/blob/master/screenshots/lode-15.png https://github.com/Tecate/bitmap-fonts/blob/master/screenshots/unscii-16.png
2021-03-18T10:05:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> have anyone had issue with the uvesafb error? i always get it upon bootup, but I cant figure out how to get rid of it. building uvesafb seems to require KLibC, which we obviously dont have. so.. how?
2021-03-18T10:11:52 #kisslinux <travankor> looks like good fonts, i'm going to take a look
2021-03-18T10:13:55 #kisslinux <travankor> lol are the border color/shadows  part of the font?
2021-03-18T10:14:05 #kisslinux <travankor> in https://github.com/ianhan/BitmapFonts
2021-03-18T10:14:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You look at demoscenes ones? Yeah only few 16x16 there are good
2021-03-18T10:14:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> See second link tho as there normal fonts
2021-03-18T10:15:17 #kisslinux <travankor> yeah, first is more for ricing
2021-03-18T10:15:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well I dunno your preferences so suggested both links just in case :p
2021-03-18T10:17:58 #kisslinux <travankor> I mean it looks really nice aesthetic, but it's less readable
2021-03-18T10:18:49 #kisslinux <travankor> I currently have Font Spleen
2021-03-18T10:19:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I use bitocra 12pt for two years I think
2021-03-18T10:19:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its very space efficient
2021-03-18T10:21:22 #kisslinux <travankor> yeah I like narrow fonts too
2021-03-18T10:21:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh spleen is very nice
2021-03-18T10:22:34 #kisslinux <travankor> there are 6 variants
2021-03-18T10:22:56 #kisslinux <travankor> so you can even use spleen on hidpi displays :p
2021-03-18T10:31:08 #kisslinux <travankor> tamzen i also nice
2021-03-18T10:31:13 #kisslinux <travankor> s/i/is/
2021-03-18T10:31:14 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> tamzen is also nice
2021-03-18T10:32:48 #kisslinux <travankor> apparently similar to tamsyn
2021-03-18T10:37:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Interesting. There's listed bitocra 11pt and 13pt but no 12pt
2021-03-18T10:37:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But I'm sure that mine is 12pt lol
2021-03-18T10:39:44 #kisslinux <travankor> lol
2021-03-18T10:40:01 #kisslinux <travankor> your version vanished off the internet
2021-03-18T10:48:55 #kisslinux <travankor> i like when the font has multiple pt variants
2021-03-18T10:49:10 #kisslinux <travankor> so i can use it on all monitors
2021-03-18T10:49:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah spleen probably best fit on that matter
2021-03-18T11:38:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> terminus is also a quite big bitmap font
2021-03-18T11:52:13 #kisslinux <sad_plan> what font do you guys use? I enjoy alot fo the mono fonts, like liberation fonts, buut theres no unicode. atleast not in the repo. I know some of the fonts in the fonts repo has unicode, but as of those Ive tried, I dont like them..
2021-03-18T11:52:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm using my own font :^)
2021-03-18T11:52:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cantarell and jetbrains mono
2021-03-18T11:52:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> On other occasions, I use ttyp0
2021-03-18T11:53:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> http://0x0.st/-Zwy.png and http://0x0.st/-Zw3.png
2021-03-18T11:53:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'd use cozette or scientifica, but they're a bit too small for my taste
2021-03-18T11:54:35 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ill check out those you mentioned testuser. i do belive I tried jetbrains, but didnt like it too much.
2021-03-18T11:54:51 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ^it was a bit too boxy for my taste, but ill check out those others you mentioned
2021-03-18T11:59:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ttyp0 is nice except t letter
2021-03-18T11:59:54 #kisslinux <konimex> iosevka all day
2021-03-18T12:00:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nxghtmvrx: what's up with the t?
2021-03-18T12:02:16 #kisslinux <travankor> kiedtl: wow nice font!
2021-03-18T12:02:27 #kisslinux <travankor> is it redistributable?
2021-03-18T12:03:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It looks same as capital t. Kinda weird
2021-03-18T12:03:15 #kisslinux <konimex> the lowercase t (without the straight vertical line in the upper side the usual lower case t has) maybe looks a little weird, it looks more like lowercase tau rather than lowercase t
2021-03-18T12:04:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> uh
2021-03-18T12:04:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the images I posted were my own font
2021-03-18T12:04:32 #kisslinux <travankor> i meant do you have it on a repo somewhere
2021-03-18T12:05:25 #kisslinux <travankor> assuming you were talking to me
2021-03-18T12:05:49 #kisslinux <konimex> uh... whoops
2021-03-18T12:06:26 #kisslinux <konimex> alright, i'll take a look at ttyp0
2021-03-18T12:06:32 #kisslinux <sad_plan> cozette and scientifica was kinda nice. I looked through a repo yesterday of bitmap fonts, and its nice, I must say. although, some of them make some letters a bit hard to read. and I try to keep just one font systemwide, do avoid having to set them across packages really
2021-03-18T12:07:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> travankor: sec
2021-03-18T12:07:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> get outta my way, data protection popups
2021-03-18T12:08:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> *nix chads need no protection
2021-03-18T12:08:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well, maybe you'd have better luck than me
2021-03-18T12:08:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://people.mpi-inf.mpg.de/~uwe/
2021-03-18T12:08:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> whoops
2021-03-18T12:08:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://people.mpi-inf.mpg.de/~uwe/misc/ttyp0/
2021-03-18T12:08:47 #kisslinux <konimex> as for ttyp0, nothing weird, just not my personal preference
2021-03-18T12:08:51 #kisslinux <konimex> kiedtl: apologies for unintended "criticism" to the font you made, I thought that was ttyp0
2021-03-18T12:10:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> heh np, not the first time someone thought the t was weird
2021-03-18T12:10:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> nah that's fair tho. Lowercase t really looks like uppercase one. Otherwise I like it
2021-03-18T12:10:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I don't call it the cursed font for no reason
2021-03-18T12:10:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :)
2021-03-18T12:10:40 #kisslinux <sad_plan> is there a sample of the ttyp0 font? I keep running into the same page as you^ linked..
2021-03-18T12:10:55 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'd prefer lowercase t as a cross without lower line rather
2021-03-18T12:11:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I got 404
2021-03-18T12:11:46 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I found it https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vim/images/e/e5/Ttyp0-mixed.png/revision/latest?cb=20121002195636
2021-03-18T12:12:54 #kisslinux <travankor> ttyp0 seems good but doesn't have full unicode coverage
2021-03-18T12:13:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> which glyph set did you want to be covered?
2021-03-18T12:14:07 #kisslinux <travankor> i'm personally fine with latin for console/terminal
2021-03-18T12:14:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh
2021-03-18T12:14:36 #kisslinux <travankor> but it's missing Asian scripts apart from Thai
2021-03-18T12:15:14 #kisslinux <travankor> kiedtl: btw how did you make your personal font
2021-03-18T12:15:25 #kisslinux <travankor> it's quite nice
2021-03-18T12:15:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ttyp0 includes slavic letters so I'm fine if I ever decide to use it
2021-03-18T12:16:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I'd try to make my own frankenfont someday
2021-03-18T12:16:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> travankor: I used gbdfed, it has a pretty simple interface and apart from randomly resizing the font it's pretty good
2021-03-18T12:17:04 #kisslinux <konimex> don't really know but isn't the only FOSS font with every single scripts (CJK, Thai, Khmer, Arabic, hell, probably Egyptian hieroglyphs) available GNU Unifont?
2021-03-18T12:17:07 #kisslinux <travankor> thanks, is it from scratch or a fork
2021-03-18T12:17:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think I did use a fork? I just compiled it from a random git repo, lol
2021-03-18T12:18:15 #kisslinux <travankor> lol, the beauty of random git repos
2021-03-18T12:18:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lol just steal stuff and compile it haha
2021-03-18T12:18:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> at least it didn't randomly crash like the vanilla gbdfed did /shrug
2021-03-18T12:19:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> let's see, I *think* it was https://github.com/andrewshadura/gbdfed
2021-03-18T12:26:31 #kisslinux <travankor> konimex: Noto fonts (not sure if you meant bitmap-only)
2021-03-18T12:28:32 #kisslinux <konimex> nah, for the time being I meant all fonts, Noto's a neat font
2021-03-18T12:32:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lol these days wikipedia have pages about everything. There's even page for Iosevka font
2021-03-18T12:39:37 #kisslinux <travankor> we need a Kiss Linux page
2021-03-18T12:40:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Please, no
2021-03-18T12:40:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Once we lose the "general notability" argument it's hard to win it later.
2021-03-18T12:41:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think Dylan said that once too when there was a discussion about adding a KISS page to wikipedia (i could be wrong though)
2021-03-18T12:41:33 #kisslinux <travankor> implied /s :p
2021-03-18T12:42:02 #kisslinux <travankor> i was gonnna say midfavila should write the page
2021-03-18T12:42:39 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah no
2021-03-18T12:42:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nah we'll just ask poettering to write it
2021-03-18T12:42:45 #kisslinux <konimex> what "general notability" argument?
2021-03-18T12:43:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> like, wikipedia has a policy of only keeping articles on topics that are generally notable
2021-03-18T12:43:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and if lots of people think your article isn't worth keeping, it could be removed.
2021-03-18T12:43:33 #kisslinux <konimex> ah I see
2021-03-18T12:45:23 #kisslinux * travankor looks a iosevka
2021-03-18T12:45:28 #kisslinux <travankor> s/a/at
2021-03-18T12:45:30 #kisslinux <kissbot> * travankor looks at iosevka
2021-03-18T12:47:18 #kisslinux <travankor> wow the download is large
2021-03-18T12:48:19 #kisslinux <travankor> does it have 10 different variants and weights for each variant?
2021-03-18T12:50:37 #kisslinux <travankor> > Iosevka provides 6 monospace subfamilies and 3 quasi-proportional subfamilies. In all the monospace subfamilies, 9 weights (Thin to Heavy), 2 widths (Normal and Extended), and 3 slopes (Upright, Italic and Oblique)
2021-03-18T12:51:26 #kisslinux <travankor> mfw i need oblique extended thin monospace font for my terminal
2021-03-18T12:51:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also there's some python font builder on all of these popular fonts
2021-03-18T12:52:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Interesting
2021-03-18T12:53:18 #kisslinux <travankor> > Size required on disk: 299MB
2021-03-18T12:55:06 #kisslinux <travankor> seems like bloat tbqh
2021-03-18T12:56:26 #kisslinux <travankor> my bitmap font is 10000x smaller than that
2021-03-18T13:03:44 #kisslinux <travankor> ligatures seems like a meme feature
2021-03-18T13:04:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they're nice
2021-03-18T13:06:45 #kisslinux <travankor> to me, the readability is the same, ligatures or no ligatures
2021-03-18T13:12:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> coding while intoxicated is the best thing ever...
2021-03-18T13:24:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> iosevka is bae; kiedtl's font is heckin' cute tho
2021-03-18T13:24:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> t looks like a tau and i'm here for it
2021-03-18T13:26:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> pushed the CVE patch; thanks travankor
2021-03-18T13:55:02 #kisslinux <travankor> np
2021-03-18T14:58:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hi guys
2021-03-18T14:58:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-18T14:58:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Had anyone tried smdev or vdev?
2021-03-18T15:22:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> not that I know of
2021-03-18T16:08:38 #kisslinux <chaffity> hello hello
2021-03-18T16:09:29 #kisslinux <chaffity> i'm trying to work out how to install an older version of a package, and was wondering if i'm missing some functionality that might already be baked into the wonderful package manager?
2021-03-18T16:12:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I mean it's written in shell. There's no hidden superpowers https://k1sslinux.org/package-manager
2021-03-18T16:12:56 #kisslinux <jslick> https://k1sslinux.org/package-manager#5.3
2021-03-18T16:15:51 #kisslinux <chaffity> hmm, the i could maintain my own local copy using the KISS_PATH order, thanks
2021-03-18T16:45:04 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Guys is possible a chroot for steam gaming?
2021-03-18T16:45:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I need one for my friends we need to play terraria
2021-03-18T16:45:42 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I read araps sayed he had one
2021-03-18T16:55:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you can use an arch chroot yeah
2021-03-18T16:55:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> there's flatpak too
2021-03-18T16:56:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I prefer arch
2021-03-18T16:56:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Flatpak is demon
2021-03-18T16:56:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Devilman
2021-03-18T17:00:25 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It's the exact devil you need for proprietary garbage
2021-03-18T17:00:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What else do you expect? Hopperflock?
2021-03-18T17:03:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I used void rootfs. It worked fine https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/live/current/void-x86_64-musl-ROOTFS-20210218.tar.xz
2021-03-18T17:04:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Eh that's wrong one. Musl
2021-03-18T17:04:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://alpha.de.repo.voidlinux.org/live/current/void-x86_64-ROOTFS-20210218.tar.xz
2021-03-18T17:06:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Used steam and daggerfall unity on it. 90% of the time second one but steam seemed to work fine too
2021-03-18T17:11:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <hellboy2d "Devilman"> lol why
2021-03-18T17:19:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> testuser_[m] https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=JPXLpLwEQ_E
2021-03-18T17:20:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> flatkill.org
2021-03-18T17:23:25 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> These alternate package managers exist to compensate slow release distros like ubuntu. The word cringe is not even correct enough to describe it
2021-03-18T17:51:19 #kisslinux <acheam> for proprietary software that won't work on musl, I find flatpaks to be a cleaner, if not ideal, solution
2021-03-18T17:51:22 #kisslinux <acheam> chroots can get messy
2021-03-18T17:52:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I might look into making a Bedrock Linux KISS strata
2021-03-18T17:53:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Dunno. Used VOid glibc chroot on Void musl until it broke because I chrooted from Manjaro once and everything exploded
2021-03-18T17:53:23 #kisslinux <paradigm> There's an awkward known issue with Bedrock 0.7 + KISS.  It's easy to work-around if you have the patience; otherwise, I recommend waiting for Bedrock 0.8, which is likely quite a ways away.
2021-03-18T17:53:35 #kisslinux <acheam> idk about you, but "everything exploded" sounds pretty messy to me
2021-03-18T17:54:23 #kisslinux <acheam> woah, the man, the myth, the legend, paradigm!
2021-03-18T17:54:27 #kisslinux <paradigm> :)
2021-03-18T17:55:02 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm, yeah I'm reading about that now on the distro compatability page. Nothing to stop me from fooling around with it though :)
2021-03-18T17:55:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well chroot just copied some Manjaro files and refused to work with Void. I just overexaggerated
2021-03-18T17:55:49 #kisslinux <acheam> paradigm: wait, you work at red hat? Instantly cancelled.
2021-03-18T17:55:53 #kisslinux <paradigm> :<
2021-03-18T17:56:41 #kisslinux <paradigm> Please consider me trying to reform it from the inside
2021-03-18T17:57:04 #kisslinux <acheam> what do you at RH?
2021-03-18T17:57:21 #kisslinux <paradigm> Work on some internal infrastructure stuff associated with OpenShift
2021-03-18T17:58:36 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nice
2021-03-18T17:59:10 #kisslinux <paradigm> if you do mess with Bedrock+KISS, I strongly suspect you can work around the issue by just installing all of the binaries kiss optionally looks for in the $PATH in the kiss stratum.
2021-03-18T17:59:50 #kisslinux <paradigm> The issue has to do with kiss looking up things in the $PATH and seeing instances from other distros and getting confused.  Bedrock has a subsystem to handle that, but it isn't robust enough to handle cases where things call sudo (which resets the $PATH), as kiss does.
2021-03-18T18:00:20 #kisslinux <paradigm> If all the binaries are available locally, it won't search the $PATH into other strata
2021-03-18T18:03:53 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm thanks!
2021-03-18T18:04:07 #kisslinux <paradigm> Happy to help.  If you run into further issues with it, don't hesitate to reach out.
2021-03-18T18:13:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> nxghtmvrx
2021-03-18T18:13:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Void or arch?
2021-03-18T18:13:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I like arch but the dependencies is some hell
2021-03-18T18:13:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Depends on you. If you want to use AUR stuff then there's only one answer
2021-03-18T18:14:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Because on Void there's no such garbage
2021-03-18T18:15:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If you want to use discord app instead of browser then only Arch
2021-03-18T18:16:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> There's no electron on Void
2021-03-18T18:16:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I just need i firefox and steam, i think void do fine
2021-03-18T18:16:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> For that its pretty much suitable
2021-03-18T18:17:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> My college forces me to use drm in firefox
2021-03-18T18:17:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But maybe consider Manjaro to avoid dealing with dependency hell yourself
2021-03-18T18:17:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> As there steam comes preinstalled with all it needs
2021-03-18T18:18:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Maybe gentoo is a option?
2021-03-18T18:19:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do more fine with gentoo, more familiar
2021-03-18T18:19:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> On Void steam would work but if you encounter a problem with something you will be pretty much by yourself
2021-03-18T18:21:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Depends on you. But then again you will be dealing with deps yourself unlike Manjaro-i3 for example
2021-03-18T18:22:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Though if you want to use any arch-based distro like Manjaro beware of manual intervention nightmare
2021-03-18T18:22:54 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i have a gentoo chroot on kiss, i want to like it but it's actually hell
2021-03-18T18:22:58 #kisslinux <E5ten> if you're gonna use arch just use arch, manjaro does weird shit with arch packages like holding them back for no real benefit, and their added tools are terrible (like I've seen the source for some of them, it's a nightmare)
2021-03-18T18:23:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I would never update arch-based distro unless there's really serious reason
2021-03-18T18:24:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly if you want to use manjaro just use PopOS
2021-03-18T18:24:23 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> lol
2021-03-18T18:24:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> phoebos why hell?
2021-03-18T18:24:46 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is just gentoo normal day or more than this?
2021-03-18T18:25:29 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Manjaro solution is only viable if you don't want to install dependencies for steam yourself and such besides the fact that it's still Arch
2021-03-18T18:25:41 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> portage is the least understandable pack man to me, probably bcs I haven't put enough effort in but still
2021-03-18T18:26:09 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> USE flags are a great idea but they're too much work when all I want is glibc
2021-03-18T18:26:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Oh so is just a normal day
2021-03-18T18:27:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I think i go with my old friend gentoo
2021-03-18T18:27:28 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i like a lot of gentoo but i can't really get my head around it
2021-03-18T18:27:36 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do fine
2021-03-18T18:27:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Used a for months
2021-03-18T18:28:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is quit easy in some parts
2021-03-18T18:28:18 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> kiss is what i wanted gentoo to be i think; totally manageable and i actually understand
2021-03-18T18:28:31 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah
2021-03-18T18:28:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is just what i hate gentoo
2021-03-18T18:28:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Then it's probably the best solution for you. I'm most familiar with Void and love it too much probably. But its still gold
2021-03-18T18:29:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> the only thing "missing" is glibc, hence the chroot so i can have ma zoom™
2021-03-18T18:29:14 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Wiki says is your "choice" but i cant do what i can in kiss
2021-03-18T18:29:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> If i wanna purge bash i cant
2021-03-18T18:30:27 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> exactly, gentoo gives you all the choices but there's still some lock-in
2021-03-18T18:30:37 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> which is understandable ofc
2021-03-18T18:30:46 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If in need of glibc, have you tried gcompat?
2021-03-18T18:30:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> if I can't opt to uninstall your package manager, 'choice' is not an advertiseable feature imo
2021-03-18T18:31:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> soliwilos: no, is it good?
2021-03-18T18:31:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> On void you can configure xbps to ignore and remove any package even if its dependency for something. Everything will explode if you don't know what you do of course but its fine
2021-03-18T18:32:01 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> omg is it in repo-main
2021-03-18T18:32:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Gcompat isn't silver bullet
2021-03-18T18:32:44 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I haven't used it much, but don't need a chroot with it.
2021-03-18T18:33:25 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> how does it do that? is there a lot of ldd-fu to play with
2021-03-18T18:33:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> isn't it basically just a shim
2021-03-18T18:33:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> alpine has it
2021-03-18T18:34:08 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> What is gcompact?
2021-03-18T18:34:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Your software must be compiled with gcompat first to work afaik. Which most things aren't
2021-03-18T18:34:36 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> > It does not contain any headers, and cannot be used to build software that requires glibc
2021-03-18T18:34:51 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> so you compile in a glibc system then export the binary?
2021-03-18T18:34:59 #kisslinux <soliwilos> https://github.com/AdelieLinux/gcompat
2021-03-18T18:35:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> iirc how it's supposed to work is you use LD_PRELOAD with gcompat to run glibc binaries?
2021-03-18T18:36:28 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> sounds right, looking at the readme
2021-03-18T18:36:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Gcompat is a hook that does nothing if you haven't installed gcompat on your system. If you do- then you can glibc stuff on musl. Isn't it supposed to work like that?
2021-03-18T18:36:37 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hmmm so i can just run binaries with gcompat?
2021-03-18T18:36:54 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> you need to build the binaries with some details about the target system
2021-03-18T18:36:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You can't compile steam with gcompat so not in your case
2021-03-18T18:37:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't think you compile anything with gcompat
2021-03-18T18:37:13 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's meant for running glibc binaries
2021-03-18T18:37:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeh i read it
2021-03-18T18:37:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Steam is not compilied
2021-03-18T18:37:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So i just run the binarie
2021-03-18T18:37:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Sounds great
2021-03-18T18:37:57 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I do the hell i need if is what i think
2021-03-18T18:38:02 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> not sure if your steam binary will find the linker
2021-03-18T18:38:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah is a point
2021-03-18T18:38:53 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> hence you need to compile whatever and specify LINKER_PATH and LOADER_NAME
2021-03-18T18:39:09 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Install gcompat, then just run whatever glibc binary. Should mostly just work.
2021-03-18T18:40:43 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> You had it? If yes
2021-03-18T18:40:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Can you test steam?
2021-03-18T18:40:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I've tried it and nothing worked for me like half a year ago. Maybe I'm just dumb or something
2021-03-18T18:42:33 #kisslinux <soliwilos> It's already packaged if you want to try it, I haven't got steam on this system.
2021-03-18T18:43:33 #kisslinux <soliwilos> "kiss b gcompat && kiss i gcompat"
2021-03-18T18:45:41 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I read
2021-03-18T18:45:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Tried to understand
2021-03-18T18:45:56 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I too durk
2021-03-18T18:47:34 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> omg
2021-03-18T18:47:42 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> `ldd ./zoom | wc -l`
2021-03-18T18:47:43 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> 70
2021-03-18T18:47:46 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> wth
2021-03-18T18:48:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Awesome spyware Isn't it
2021-03-18T18:48:36 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i know i hate it but i won't get a degree without it
2021-03-18T18:50:46 #kisslinux <acheam> do what RMS recommends, have a friend point a phone running jitsi at the zoom meeting for you
2021-03-18T18:50:48 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-18T18:51:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> can't you just use it in browser?
2021-03-18T18:51:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeh me too
2021-03-18T18:51:23 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Or the meet shit
2021-03-18T18:51:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's just dumb. I hate being forced to use things. In fact a few years back I quit college because of some similar nonsense
2021-03-18T18:51:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I used fedora live for zoom
2021-03-18T18:52:25 #kisslinux <acheam> E5ten: zoom in the browser is too crippled for online class use
2021-03-18T18:52:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> I mean it is crippled yeah, but I use it for online class lol
2021-03-18T18:52:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lolwut isn't it electron app which is exactly just browser
2021-03-18T18:53:05 #kisslinux <acheam> no its Qt
2021-03-18T18:53:29 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well at least they didn't go discord route lmao
2021-03-18T18:54:11 #kisslinux <acheam> E5ten: not really for my (and I'm sure many others ) use cases. for anything more interactive than the most mundane lecture its unusable
2021-03-18T18:54:26 #kisslinux <E5ten> fair enough
2021-03-18T18:54:35 #kisslinux <acheam> you cant control what your looking at, breakout rooms don't work, screen annotations don't work, etc
2021-03-18T18:54:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> breakout rooms work
2021-03-18T18:55:17 #kisslinux <acheam> oh they must have added that since I last tried
2021-03-18T18:55:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Man
2021-03-18T18:55:37 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Zoom not worked
2021-03-18T18:55:41 #kisslinux <acheam> but I doubt that you can choose your own breakout group, because you cant even so that on a Chromebook
2021-03-18T18:55:42 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Sad
2021-03-18T18:56:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> leave it to greedy corps to hobble their web app just to make sure you download their spyware cruft :v
2021-03-18T18:57:19 #kisslinux <acheam> except google
2021-03-18T18:57:26 #kisslinux <acheam> they like you using meet in chrome
2021-03-18T18:57:44 #kisslinux <acheam> but that's worse even
2021-03-18T18:57:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah and after if you develop opensource client around their shitty technology you will be banned
2021-03-18T18:58:28 #kisslinux <acheam> hot take: open source clients to non free network services are just as good as proprietary software
2021-03-18T18:59:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Not really. For example you won't have discord spying on your processes and other programs at least
2021-03-18T19:00:28 #kisslinux <acheam> sure its better that way, but its still essentially a proprietary system
2021-03-18T19:00:59 #kisslinux <E5ten> idk, I think there's a pretty big diff between running code that could be doing anything on your computer vs non-free network service
2021-03-18T19:01:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Of course. Its not proper solution but its better. I would throw it away but there's communities with their news that I read. So its like another RSS reader for me
2021-03-18T19:01:23 #kisslinux <jslick> honestly I'm just glad zoom supports linux.  We use zoom at work and it works just as well on linux as it does on mac.  My previous job I was stuck with windows/mac and shitty MS Teams & skype for business.
2021-03-18T19:02:16 #kisslinux <merakor> Aren't they available on Linux now?
2021-03-18T19:02:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Skype client on linux have been out for years
2021-03-18T19:02:44 #kisslinux <jslick> I hear Teams is available for linux, but I don't think it supports all the features.  like you can only see 4 people at a time or something
2021-03-18T19:02:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But its really old and not updated for a long-long time
2021-03-18T19:03:01 #kisslinux <jslick> Isn't skype for linux a crippled version?
2021-03-18T19:03:26 #kisslinux <jslick> point is: zoom for linux isn't a cripped version (afaik anyway)
2021-03-18T19:03:41 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean yeah, all MS software are crippled on all platforms
2021-03-18T19:05:14 #kisslinux <acheam> zoom for linux is very crippled, jslick
2021-03-18T19:05:37 #kisslinux <jslick> in what ways?  I don't notice I guess
2021-03-18T19:05:41 #kisslinux <merakor> Haven't had any issues with zoom myself
2021-03-18T19:05:47 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't support lots of features like enabling uncompressed sound, rearranging people, etc
2021-03-18T19:06:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh yeah, though I wouldn't call that crippled
2021-03-18T19:06:28 #kisslinux <acheam> no custom keyboard shortcuts, global push to talk
2021-03-18T19:06:40 #kisslinux <acheam> sure maybe not crippled, but not equal in features
2021-03-18T19:06:46 #kisslinux <merakor> That's true
2021-03-18T19:06:53 #kisslinux <merakor> Jitsi ftw
2021-03-18T19:07:58 #kisslinux <jslick> ah I didn't know those were zoom features.  Still, I'm glad to be using that over some of the Big Corp alternatives
2021-03-18T19:11:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Error relocating DaggerfallUnity.x86_64: fedisableexcept: symbol not found Error relocating DaggerfallUnity.x86_64: feenableexcept: symbol not found
2021-03-18T19:11:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's why I wasn't bothering with gcompat
2021-03-18T19:11:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Gcompar is hell with steam
2021-03-18T19:11:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Need 32 bits libraries
2021-03-18T19:11:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I just go with chroot
2021-03-18T19:12:42 #kisslinux <E5ten> that's just steam being hell in general right? like on glibc you still need 32 bit libs (this is why I use a windows dual boot for games lol)
2021-03-18T19:12:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I wouldn't trash my system with deps anyways. Chroot is much more convinient to keep trash separated imo
2021-03-18T19:14:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/convinient/convenient/
2021-03-18T19:14:15 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I wouldn't trash my system with deps anyways. Chroot is much more convenient to keep trash separated imo
2021-03-18T19:18:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also fedisableexcept and feenableexcept is glibc trash that won't work on musl so gcompat isn't a silver bullet anyways
2021-03-18T19:36:12 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> nxghtmvrx for chroot for steam in case
2021-03-18T19:36:27 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I need to install all the xorg stuff?
2021-03-18T19:36:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> No
2021-03-18T19:36:41 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Or just build the package?
2021-03-18T19:36:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You need steam deps but not xorg
2021-03-18T19:37:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If you use proot it will use your system stuff without problem
2021-03-18T19:37:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> wouldn't steam need like 32-bit libx11 and shit though?
2021-03-18T19:37:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah that stuff
2021-03-18T19:37:41 #kisslinux <E5ten> or I guess maybe it links that statically
2021-03-18T19:37:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But not everything
2021-03-18T19:37:59 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Proot? What it is?
2021-03-18T19:38:01 #kisslinux <soliwilos> This is a nice method for glibc through chroot: https://www.0ink.net/2019/04/10/void-musl-with-glibc.html
2021-03-18T19:38:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> looks like (based on the arch package) steam only directly deps libx11 and libxss in terms of xorg libs
2021-03-18T19:38:29 #kisslinux <E5ten> but it probably indirectly deps others
2021-03-18T19:38:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Proot is chroot as user, not as root
2021-03-18T19:38:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I read in alpinelinux article
2021-03-18T19:38:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> https://proot-me.github.io
2021-03-18T19:40:00 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Thanks
2021-03-18T19:42:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol the sample prog given in the 0ink article uses setre[ug]id (as opposed to sete[ug]id) for no reason that I can see
2021-03-18T19:42:21 #kisslinux <E5ten> (and also makes 2 get[ug]id() calls each instead of saving)
2021-03-18T19:44:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> The simplest chroot/proot method is still covered on old void wiki tho
2021-03-18T19:46:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Huh they started removing old wiki stuff. Too bad. There was so many useful things that will never be covered in new docs
2021-03-18T20:18:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Is there something to help compile stuff statically in kiss so I wouldn't remove things like ncurses by hand later?
2021-03-18T20:19:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Guess need different repo with builds/deps for that?
2021-03-18T20:23:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> wym?
2021-03-18T20:30:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I mean I want to compile everything statically. Is there a way to not remove libraries by hand later because I don't need them? Like modified builds or something else
2021-03-18T20:32:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> so what you would do is add -static to your CFLAGS and disable shared libraries in the build system for each package, and that'll cover about 80% of your cases and get you most of the way there
2021-03-18T20:32:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'd have to rebuild packages ofc
2021-03-18T20:33:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> ldd /path/to/bin && ldd /path/to/lib are your friends for determining what still requires which shared object
2021-03-18T20:33:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you rebuilt your userspace you'd have things relying on basically just libc and libgcc
2021-03-18T20:34:18 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ah so I can disable shared libraries in the build system. That's exactly the thing I tried to ask. Thanks
2021-03-18T20:35:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's slightly more tricky for a few things but yeah in general
2021-03-18T20:47:23 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> phoebos[m]1
2021-03-18T20:48:04 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Your gentoo chroot what you doing for run programs like zoom ho needs a ui
2021-03-18T20:50:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> There was x package for chroot in order for it to work oh nost system but I don't remember which one
2021-03-18T20:50:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/oh/with/
2021-03-18T20:50:37 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> There was x package for chroot in order for it to work with nost system but I don't remember which one
2021-03-18T20:52:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I just install xorg in the chroot, set the DISPLAY variable and it usually works fine
2021-03-18T20:53:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I wonder how Wayland would handle it
2021-03-18T20:53:25 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also you need your terminal terminfo inside your chroot
2021-03-18T20:53:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> morning everyone
2021-03-18T20:53:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you have xwayland that should work identically, no idea how pure wayland would do it, never bothered
2021-03-18T20:53:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean I can open hikari within hikari so... probably not difficult
2021-03-18T20:54:03 #kisslinux <acheam> nxghtmvrx: ah right. I just use kiss-chroot script to handle all that for me
2021-03-18T20:54:29 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah Wayland in the chroot would be interesting
2021-03-18T21:00:15 #kisslinux <jslick> I just symlink /tmp/.X11-unix/ to the host and set the DISPLAY , though I only 1 program in chroot atm
2021-03-18T21:01:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> midfavila: how's the progress on libcirc? :D
2021-03-18T21:02:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's "working"
2021-03-18T21:02:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> in that it compiles and executes
2021-03-18T21:02:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it hangs immediately
2021-03-18T21:02:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure why
2021-03-18T21:04:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll probably take another crack at it later today
2021-03-18T21:09:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> hellboy2d I think its called xhost
2021-03-18T21:11:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If it's the right thing then you need it inside your chroot for X to work
2021-03-18T21:11:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> god, there's so much stuff I have to get done today
2021-03-18T21:12:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Happy productive sounds eh?
2021-03-18T21:16:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> if "ugggggggghfuck" counts as happy and productive
2021-03-18T21:17:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> then yeah I guess
2021-03-18T21:19:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Another overengineered pos script by me. Good job
2021-03-18T21:20:25 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Now trim all the stuff back to one-liner
2021-03-18T21:23:44 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> hellboy2d: yep i have xorg in the chroot then it's as simple as setting DISPLAY
2021-03-18T21:24:03 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> check the arch wiki chroot page for that
2021-03-18T21:26:46 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay
2021-03-18T21:26:59 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is just because gentoo needs all xorg stuff
2021-03-18T21:27:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So i'am little confused
2021-03-18T21:27:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But i understand now
2021-03-18T21:39:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> hellboy2d: here's how I deal with chroot https://0x0.st/-NyP.sh
2021-03-18T21:41:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Had some wiki about void chroot?
2021-03-18T21:41:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> First you mount then chroot or proot. Don't forget to unmount at the end when you don't need it. Its old script and could be done better but since I'm not using it for quite some time it is how it is. It works
2021-03-18T21:41:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Proot and chroot doing the same in final?
2021-03-18T21:42:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> chroot is root
2021-03-18T21:42:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> proot is your user
2021-03-18T21:42:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Okay
2021-03-18T21:42:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So for maintenance chroot. Proot for userspace stuff
2021-03-18T21:43:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I think i just need chroot for now
2021-03-18T21:43:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Don't run your stuff as root. In fact steam won't allow you to do so
2021-03-18T21:44:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah but i just want install all the stuff now
2021-03-18T21:44:31 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Compile it in gentoo is time
2021-03-18T21:44:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ofc. Mentioned just in case
2021-03-18T21:44:55 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah
2021-03-18T21:44:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> daily reminder that tea>coffee
2021-03-18T21:45:05 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I see when i finish the install
2021-03-18T21:45:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> arizona > normal tea
2021-03-18T21:45:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> water>tea
2021-03-18T21:45:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> water is for normies
2021-03-18T21:45:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and arizona tea is for amerifats
2021-03-18T21:45:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i win
2021-03-18T21:45:51 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But i am latinx
2021-03-18T21:45:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> distillate>water
2021-03-18T21:45:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> How could americans invent latinx?
2021-03-18T21:46:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> something something manifesting
2021-03-18T21:46:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> i usually just su into a normal user once i've chrooted but proot sounds good
2021-03-18T21:46:58 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> phoebos you may help me later about this?
2021-03-18T21:47:05 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Now is just compilling
2021-03-18T21:47:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> oh also if you will give my script a try chpth is an absolute path since you run script as root in some instances
2021-03-18T21:48:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyone have experience with NFS?
2021-03-18T21:48:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah i will use your script
2021-03-18T21:49:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> NFS what? Need For Speed? lol
2021-03-18T21:51:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> network filesystem
2021-03-18T21:51:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm considering using my media system as a file server
2021-03-18T21:51:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> never looked much into nfs tho
2021-03-18T21:52:21 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I use NFS, but it's been quite a while since I initially configured it.
2021-03-18T21:52:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> was wondering if you had any tips in relation to it
2021-03-18T21:52:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> optimizations and the like
2021-03-18T21:55:55 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I never got much out of fiddling with cache sizes and such as I recall. Works quite well witn defaults.
2021-03-18T21:56:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> Cool
2021-03-18T21:58:46 #kisslinux <soliwilos> My typical use for it is watching anime/whatever.
2021-03-18T21:59:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly that'll probably be what I use it for
2021-03-18T21:59:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> getting really sick of 360p recordings on the net
2021-03-18T21:59:40 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Storage server to multiple devices.
2021-03-18T22:00:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So you download your stuff huh? I mostly watch online except some very nice youtube videos that would be real shame to lose
2021-03-18T22:01:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lol don't watch in random places then
2021-03-18T22:01:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm a filthy pirate and usually torrent my animoos
2021-03-18T22:01:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> because all the stuff online is fucking garbage
2021-03-18T22:01:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, I'd like to not be exposed to "You won't last half a second in this game!1!!1" when I'm trying to enjoy my show
2021-03-18T22:01:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> How so? I watched anime online without ads 720/1080 no problems
2021-03-18T22:02:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's probably something to do with my obscenely janky setup
2021-03-18T22:02:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> On a single site. No headaches with search
2021-03-18T22:02:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> but pale moon sometimes breaks streaming sites when using as many blocking extensions as I do
2021-03-18T22:02:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I use site that allows me to download instead of watching
2021-03-18T22:03:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So i just use ffplay and watch
2021-03-18T22:03:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you really wanted to you could just mitm your own traffic and figure out the location of the recording
2021-03-18T22:03:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> then just wget it
2021-03-18T22:03:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've done that a few times. 's how I got my copy of REDLINE
2021-03-18T22:03:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is an amazing movie by the way
2021-03-18T22:05:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a couple shows I need to get around to watching...
2021-03-18T22:05:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> spice and wolf is near the top of that list
2021-03-18T22:05:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> vidstreaming.io is the only site I used to watch/download anime with and without subs/censored
2021-03-18T22:06:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've used them a fair bit
2021-03-18T22:06:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't really have a "favored" site
2021-03-18T22:06:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> sometimes people will make sites specifically for a single anime, those are usually pretty good
2021-03-18T22:06:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now I'm rewatching "Rising of the Shield Hero" for the third time
2021-03-18T22:06:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> For old stuff like berserk there's a few sites with lots of upscaled stuff
2021-03-18T22:06:49 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Even if they are 1080p, don't most streaming anime sites wreak havoc on the quality with poor encoding?
2021-03-18T22:06:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2021-03-18T22:07:11 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Shield Hero is nice.
2021-03-18T22:07:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> shield hero is fucking based
2021-03-18T22:07:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its cringe if you know manga
2021-03-18T22:07:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> one of the only good isekai i've seen
2021-03-18T22:07:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> They cut absolutely everything
2021-03-18T22:07:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, probably
2021-03-18T22:07:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i still need to read the light novels
2021-03-18T22:08:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> but aren't there like 21 of them?
2021-03-18T22:08:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I can't imagine what they will do in second season
2021-03-18T22:08:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> who knows
2021-03-18T22:08:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> there were a couple filler episodes in season one that I wasn't big on
2021-03-18T22:08:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> the main one was episode six
2021-03-18T22:09:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Showed no cursed series and character development of anyone but Shield's and all chars looked like dumb morons without reason because of that
2021-03-18T22:09:21 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> hellboy2d: sure, good luck and do ask anything!
2021-03-18T22:09:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. if they really did cut all that then I'll have to read the books for sure
2021-03-18T22:10:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's been a while since I've read fiction
2021-03-18T22:10:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also that's why Arifureta was bad
2021-03-18T22:10:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Orig is really good
2021-03-18T22:10:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> "arifureta"?
2021-03-18T22:11:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah the guy that everyone thought died in the dungeon because he was a weakling
2021-03-18T22:12:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's been a while since I've watched the show, can't recall that off the top of my head
2021-03-18T22:12:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh wait!
2021-03-18T22:12:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, no, I remember him
2021-03-18T22:12:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> he should have received more screen-time
2021-03-18T22:12:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah anime is PoS
2021-03-18T22:12:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, the manga is always better than the anime
2021-03-18T22:13:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> just like how subs are always better than dubs
2021-03-18T22:13:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a law of nature
2021-03-18T22:13:31 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I mean its impossible to compare. They just killed it completely
2021-03-18T22:13:56 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Watching dubs is heresy.
2021-03-18T22:14:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> is there an english translation of the LN?
2021-03-18T22:14:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm a filthy weeaboo and can't read kanji or katakana
2021-03-18T22:14:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Same. I just watched a series of videos explaining stuff about Shield hero, Arifureta and others
2021-03-18T22:15:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> The guy read all the mangas so I wasn't wasting my time on that lol
2021-03-18T22:15:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Source is non-english tho
2021-03-18T22:15:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> well ofc the source material is japanese
2021-03-18T22:15:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I mean videos. So there's no point for me to share
2021-03-18T22:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, durr
2021-03-18T22:16:03 #kisslinux * midfavila facepalms
2021-03-18T22:16:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, looks like there was a light novel translation
2021-03-18T22:16:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> very cool
2021-03-18T23:19:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Pass harddep bash? Really? I'm very-very upset now. Are there any alternatives?
2021-03-18T23:23:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I would just encrypt passwords myself and etc. But I use OTP and other things that I can't completely drop
2021-03-18T23:25:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta encrypt it using the strongest cipher
2021-03-18T23:25:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise known as base64
2021-03-18T23:36:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah lol I can just ignore pass if I use oath-toolkit for OTP. Nice