2021-03-19T01:13:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> why is motivation such a paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain
2021-03-19T01:14:00 #kisslinux * midfavila dies
2021-03-19T01:14:39 #kisslinux <acheam> mood
2021-03-19T01:14:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have done nothing but eat rice for the past two days
2021-03-19T01:15:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay that's a lie actually
2021-03-19T01:15:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i watched muh animoo too
2021-03-19T01:16:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> need to work through another few pages in K&R today... gonna suspend SICP until I know more about algorithims and shit
2021-03-19T01:16:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> algorithms?
2021-03-19T01:16:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> meh
2021-03-19T01:20:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sicp?
2021-03-19T01:20:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> structure and interpretation of computer programs
2021-03-19T01:20:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> knuth?
2021-03-19T01:20:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> and susmann
2021-03-19T01:20:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> sussman
2021-03-19T01:20:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> whatever
2021-03-19T01:20:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> im reading https://fabiensanglard.net/gebb/index.html
2021-03-19T01:20:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> a lot of people refer to it as the K&R of the lisp world, but most of it is general
2021-03-19T01:21:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> uuuhhhh lisp
2021-03-19T01:21:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> gaymen berks
2021-03-19T01:21:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> v nice
2021-03-19T01:21:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the wolf3d book rocks
2021-03-19T01:21:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, a dialect of lisp is used in SICP
2021-03-19T01:21:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> specifically it's called scheme. you might have heard of it before
2021-03-19T01:22:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> if not, you might know of GNU Guile, which is an extension of scheme
2021-03-19T01:22:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, guile, the JIT-accelerated lisp, now part of GNU make
2021-03-19T01:22:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> even in the first few dozen pages I learned a fair bit from SICP, although man, it's dense
2021-03-19T01:22:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> they don't really teach you scheme
2021-03-19T01:22:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> they just kind of... use it
2021-03-19T01:23:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's simple enough to pick up even without explicit instruction
2021-03-19T01:23:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've never been into functional programming... but i heard from ppl i trust that the ML family is nicest
2021-03-19T01:23:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just weird coming from shell where if-then-else and for-each and whatever are very explicit
2021-03-19T01:23:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> going to a language where your program is basically just (()()()())((()()()
2021-03-19T01:23:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> like obfuscated JS
2021-03-19T01:24:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i dunno about that, I've not done much (read: any) JS
2021-03-19T01:24:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> or brainfuck, for that matter
2021-03-19T01:24:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not unreadable
2021-03-19T01:24:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> just... weird
2021-03-19T01:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's all very implicit
2021-03-19T01:25:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> but as someone with very... I guess patchy CS and maths knowledge, it's a really cool experience
2021-03-19T01:26:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> seeing fundaments laid out in an objective and easy-to-understand way is awesome
2021-03-19T01:26:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> so many books and classes fuck that up
2021-03-19T01:26:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSFuck
2021-03-19T01:26:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh dear god
2021-03-19T01:26:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> do I want to know
2021-03-19T01:26:56 #kisslinux <midfavila>  ...
2021-03-19T01:26:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I did not want to know
2021-03-19T01:27:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> now to wait for companies to transpile code into JSFuck
2021-03-19T01:45:34 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well i installed oasis today and now kiss feels the way arch did when i first installed kiss
2021-03-19T01:46:55 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-19T01:47:04 #kisslinux <acheam> traitor :)
2021-03-19T01:47:17 #kisslinux <noocsharp> if only it could compile itself...
2021-03-19T01:50:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> "wow it doesn't even have a package manager!"
2021-03-19T01:51:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> side note
2021-03-19T01:51:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what I hate?
2021-03-19T01:51:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> when companies obsolete hardware and don't allow the enduser to replace the OS
2021-03-19T01:52:12 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds like capitalism
2021-03-19T01:52:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dont we all
2021-03-19T01:52:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have this super radical PDA
2021-03-19T01:52:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> the zebra heavy industries MC75A06
2021-03-19T01:52:51 #kisslinux <acheam> oasis without lua would be cool
2021-03-19T01:53:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> decent battery life, LAN, WLAN, and WWAN hardware (on mPCIe!), touch screen, hardware keyboard...
2021-03-19T01:53:11 #kisslinux <noocsharp> lua is part of what makes it cool imo
2021-03-19T01:53:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit it even has onboard serial and USB
2021-03-19T01:53:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it runs fucking win mobile 6.5
2021-03-19T01:53:33 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: why?
2021-03-19T01:53:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its a much nicer language then shell
2021-03-19T01:53:53 #kisslinux <acheam> but is it nicer than C?
2021-03-19T01:54:07 #kisslinux <noocsharp> for a build system, yes
2021-03-19T01:54:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not using scheme
2021-03-19T01:54:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally cringe
2021-03-19T01:54:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait someone managed to figure out how to boot android on my device, it looks like
2021-03-19T01:55:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...android 2.2.1, but still
2021-03-19T01:57:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://www.ptsmobile.com/MC75A/mc75a6_lg.jpg
2021-03-19T01:57:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> look at this absolute unit of a lad
2021-03-19T01:57:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't fucking tell me that running a proper Linux on it wouldn't be the most amazing thing ever
2021-03-19T01:59:16 #kisslinux <noocsharp> is that a windows logo that i see?
2021-03-19T01:59:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, because this is a mid-00s PDA
2021-03-19T01:59:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> the dark age
2021-03-19T01:59:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> where a terminal application costs you 20USD
2021-03-19T01:59:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it has some seriously cool hardware
2021-03-19T02:00:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I could get loonix running on it, I could totally replace my smartphone
2021-03-19T02:01:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I can't, I guess I can always get an MC67, but... I'd really rather not
2021-03-19T02:01:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least those come with android and can be rooted (afaik)
2021-03-19T02:02:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> im using a oneplus one with a 3.x kernel on it as of now
2021-03-19T02:02:32 #kisslinux <noocsharp> serves my needs perfectly
2021-03-19T02:02:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I'm debating getting rid of mobile devices entirely
2021-03-19T02:02:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I can get a modem set up in my laptop then I can just carry it around
2021-03-19T02:03:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> take my calls on it like a 1337 hackerman
2021-03-19T02:04:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> only problem is that I can't find info as to whether my laptop has a whitelist
2021-03-19T02:04:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't think it does, but I don't have spare hardware to test it with
2021-03-19T02:04:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...wait, no, I just realized that I totally do
2021-03-19T02:04:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have an old desktop wifi transceiver card that basically just adapts a laptop card...
2021-03-19T02:04:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm
2021-03-19T02:04:41 #kisslinux * midfavila thonks
2021-03-19T02:18:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> seems like it does not, in fact, have a whitelist
2021-03-19T02:18:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> thank you, based panasonic
2021-03-19T02:23:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> now, to buy from thinkpenguin or to pinch pennies
2021-03-19T02:23:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...on the one hand I want to support open hardware vendors, on the other hand 85USD plus tax and shipping and import is a lot for a single expansion card...
2021-03-19T02:28:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh shit you guys, maybe I could even swap out the keyboard for a thinkpad-style one.
2021-03-19T02:42:30 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/oasislinux/oasis/issues/13#issuecomment-650415709
2021-03-19T02:42:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> ddevault strikes again!
2021-03-19T02:43:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> when will he be stopped?
2021-03-19T02:43:08 #kisslinux <travankor> uh oh
2021-03-19T02:43:17 #kisslinux * travankor haven't even opened the link
2021-03-19T02:43:31 #kisslinux <acheam> its positive this time
2021-03-19T02:44:16 #kisslinux <travankor> lol good luck with debloating loonix
2021-03-19T02:44:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like if all the people developing their own C compilers worked together they'd be able to produce an actually-working compiler instead of a pile of half-working compilers
2021-03-19T02:44:43 #kisslinux <acheam> the solution to debloating loonix? ruuun like a coward to hurd
2021-03-19T02:44:47 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss+hurd when?
2021-03-19T02:44:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> as soon as Guix+HURD is a thing
2021-03-19T02:45:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're working on it
2021-03-19T02:45:04 #kisslinux <acheam> is that not already a thing?
2021-03-19T02:45:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> not officially afaik
2021-03-19T02:45:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the "GNU System" is well under-way now
2021-03-19T02:45:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, I have to say that I'm curious what fourty years of effort will look like
2021-03-19T02:45:50 #kisslinux <acheam> why stop at forty?
2021-03-19T02:46:04 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm sure that sixty years of effort would be far more admirable
2021-03-19T02:46:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't think RMS will stop until his corpse has rotted
2021-03-19T02:46:23 #kisslinux <acheam> has anyone tried gnu shepard with kiss?
2021-03-19T02:46:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't think so
2021-03-19T02:46:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> It would be interesting... isn't Shepherd similar to soystemd minus the garbage?
2021-03-19T02:47:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I can't find much info on it
2021-03-19T02:47:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> afaik it's literally only used by Guix
2021-03-19T02:48:14 #kisslinux <acheam> seems like it
2021-03-19T02:48:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> when you actually look at it, GNU is very much it's own thing
2021-03-19T02:48:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> outside of their application software most people don't really use their stuf
2021-03-19T02:48:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/stuf/stuff/
2021-03-19T02:48:50 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> outside of their application software most people don't really use their stuff
2021-03-19T02:49:15 #kisslinux <konimex> iirc like Guix it also uses Guile
2021-03-19T02:49:25 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah it does
2021-03-19T02:49:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, GNU is very much into Guile
2021-03-19T02:49:31 #kisslinux <acheam> some good info here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14475236
2021-03-19T02:49:55 #kisslinux <acheam> just as google is very much into go
2021-03-19T02:50:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> unlike go guile isn't shit
2021-03-19T02:50:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it even has its own theme song
2021-03-19T02:50:16 #kisslinux <acheam> and microsoft is very much into.... visual basic?
2021-03-19T02:50:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> C#
2021-03-19T02:50:38 #kisslinux <travankor> dotNet
2021-03-19T02:50:39 #kisslinux <acheam> microsoft.net
2021-03-19T02:50:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=-4ZrkkZ9ctY
2021-03-19T02:50:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> consider this
2021-03-19T02:50:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> does your language have a theme as epic as this?
2021-03-19T02:51:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think so
2021-03-19T02:51:35 #kisslinux <travankor> guile is officialy based
2021-03-19T02:51:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a guile channel now
2021-03-19T02:52:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl when I get around to being a Real Programmer:tm: I'm totally gonna rewrite KISS in scheme
2021-03-19T02:52:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> *everything* will be LISP
2021-03-19T02:52:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> Cniles btfo
2021-03-19T02:52:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh fuck maybe I could even pick up SCWM
2021-03-19T02:52:53 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm, https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GuileEmacs
2021-03-19T02:52:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> hng
2021-03-19T02:52:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh yeah
2021-03-19T02:53:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> elisp is going to be replaced
2021-03-19T02:53:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and thank fuck for that
2021-03-19T02:53:13 #kisslinux <acheam> "It does not attempt to remove Elisp,"
2021-03-19T02:53:29 #kisslinux <acheam> "canonical GNU Emacs of the future by being fully backwards compatibl"
2021-03-19T02:53:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> last I heard all GNU software will be stuck with Guile
2021-03-19T02:53:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah emacs will retain elisp support but it won't be the "main" language
2021-03-19T02:53:59 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-03-19T02:54:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again I'm not sure how they're going to rewrite thirty-ish years of elisp
2021-03-19T02:54:12 #kisslinux <acheam> that would be a pretty quick recipe for a fork
2021-03-19T02:54:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> because remember
2021-03-19T02:54:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of GNU EMACS is lisp
2021-03-19T02:54:35 #kisslinux <acheam> so... many... packages..'
2021-03-19T02:54:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> emacs would be a lot better if it didn't include so much random shit out of the box that you can't remove
2021-03-19T02:55:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't want my text editor to have email, news, irc, two calculators, vidya, and a goddamn browser
2021-03-19T02:55:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sorry RMS
2021-03-19T02:55:20 #kisslinux <acheam> what? You don't like your editor to have 2 web browsers, 3 irc clients, a mail reader, 2 ways of displaying line numebrs, and a feed reader?
2021-03-19T02:55:22 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-03-19T02:55:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> you forgot a shell and a terminal
2021-03-19T02:55:34 #kisslinux <acheam> hey!
2021-03-19T02:55:39 #kisslinux <acheam> 2 terminals and a shell
2021-03-19T02:55:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> right sorry
2021-03-19T02:55:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> my bad
2021-03-19T02:56:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been thinking of trying that minimal emacs clone GNU made
2021-03-19T02:56:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's written entirely in guile
2021-03-19T02:56:28 #kisslinux <acheam> gnu emacs isn't the only emacs though
2021-03-19T02:56:30 #kisslinux <acheam> https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsImplementations
2021-03-19T02:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, I know
2021-03-19T02:56:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but let's be real
2021-03-19T02:56:47 #kisslinux <acheam> idk how portable configs, etc are though
2021-03-19T02:56:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> GNU EMACS is basically the canonical EMACS
2021-03-19T02:57:20 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, openssl and glibc are both "canonical", but we get by without them
2021-03-19T02:57:29 #kisslinux <acheam> xemacs is pretty popular too
2021-03-19T02:57:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, but a text editor is simultaneously less consequential and more personal of a choice than your C or SSL library
2021-03-19T02:58:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> ultimately ed, emacs, vi, nano, tine, jed, elvis, etc are basically the same tool
2021-03-19T02:58:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> write bytes to a file
2021-03-19T02:58:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think my main problem with GNU is that they don't see corporate influence as a bad thing
2021-03-19T02:59:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> Zile, that's what it was called
2021-03-19T02:59:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> minimal emacsen in Guile
2021-03-19T03:00:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://github.com/spk121/zile
2021-03-19T03:02:07 #kisslinux <acheam> https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/JavaEmacs
2021-03-19T03:02:11 #kisslinux <acheam> bow down to java emacs
2021-03-19T03:02:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking kys
2021-03-19T03:02:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's AWFUL
2021-03-19T03:02:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't stand Java on linux
2021-03-19T03:02:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> or in general, but specifically on linux
2021-03-19T03:03:25 #kisslinux <acheam> good thing its hard to run on kiss
2021-03-19T03:04:05 #kisslinux <acheam> although mmatongo is making good progress on it
2021-03-19T03:08:14 #kisslinux <acheam> damn it I still can't figure out what's connecting as acheam- lol
2021-03-19T03:08:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i am
2021-03-19T03:10:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, cproc is actually a completely finished and conforming C compiler
2021-03-19T03:10:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thing is, to compile linux one needs a shitton of GNU extensions
2021-03-19T03:10:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait fr?
2021-03-19T03:11:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> c99 or..?
2021-03-19T03:11:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> c11
2021-03-19T03:11:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, nifty
2021-03-19T03:11:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> is it packaged for kiss yet?
2021-03-19T03:12:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> is there actually a release yet ? i dont think so
2021-03-19T03:12:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> procedure is git clone --recursive
2021-03-19T03:25:13 #kisslinux <acheam> you know whats worse than a website that tells you to enable javascript? a website that redirects you to another website that tells you to enable javascript, so I can't even enable it for that site in uMatrix
2021-03-19T03:25:46 #kisslinux <acheam> try visiting deadstate.org without javascript. The page loads! You can see the content! and then it redirects you to some other website
2021-03-19T03:26:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-19T03:26:34 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-03-19T03:27:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's for your protection citizen
2021-03-19T03:27:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> just like the face mask
2021-03-19T03:27:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah no, that's supposedly to protect others lol
2021-03-19T03:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> >visits site
2021-03-19T03:28:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >first article I see is stick-wielding asian lady puts an attacker in a stretcher
2021-03-19T03:28:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> wtf are you on this for acheam lmao
2021-03-19T03:28:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, milo yadopodapodapolous has his own article on here too
2021-03-19T03:29:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i spoke to him once
2021-03-19T03:29:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> he's a total jackass
2021-03-19T03:29:14 #kisslinux <acheam> from a link agregator site, which shall go unnamed
2021-03-19T03:31:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-03-19T03:42:55 #kisslinux <jslick> firefox Reader View makes some article webpages usable
2021-03-19T03:45:44 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah its nice
2021-03-19T03:45:50 #kisslinux <acheam> also portable outside of firefox
2021-03-19T03:45:54 #kisslinux <acheam> *somewhat*
2021-03-19T03:46:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> reader view is great when it works
2021-03-19T03:46:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is almost never
2021-03-19T03:46:11 #kisslinux <acheam> but wouldn't help in my case, because I can't even click on the reader view button
2021-03-19T03:46:21 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: I haven't had that experience at all
2021-03-19T03:46:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, my site is nothing but text and reader view doesn't work on it
2021-03-19T03:46:37 #kisslinux <acheam> url?
2021-03-19T03:46:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://midfavila.chaosnet.org/
2021-03-19T03:46:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/https/http/
2021-03-19T03:46:52 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> http://midfavila.chaosnet.org/
2021-03-19T03:46:56 #kisslinux * midfavila facepalms
2021-03-19T03:47:00 #kisslinux <acheam> oh thats why it didn't load when I tried it
2021-03-19T03:47:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm too used to typing https with muscle-memory
2021-03-19T03:47:21 #kisslinux <acheam> works fine for me...
2021-03-19T03:47:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird.
2021-03-19T03:47:32 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/u0qV4qn.png
2021-03-19T03:47:48 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-19T03:47:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> not like my site needs it anyway
2021-03-19T03:48:13 #kisslinux <acheam> why would it, its a browser neutral site!
2021-03-19T03:48:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, it is
2021-03-19T03:48:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> has basically the same look even if you use text-only browsers
2021-03-19T03:48:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i put an embrarassing amount of time into getting the navbar to look right in text and graphical mode
2021-03-19T03:49:24 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-03-19T03:49:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> although I need to actually, like... *put* stuff on it
2021-03-19T03:49:48 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah it looks really nice in text
2021-03-19T03:50:14 #kisslinux <acheam> better than mine does
2021-03-19T03:50:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only problem with it is that it doesn't look great if you have a low vertical resolution
2021-03-19T03:50:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the div will overlap the navbar
2021-03-19T03:50:34 #kisslinux <acheam> I noticed that
2021-03-19T03:50:36 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/Wc6hXl9.png
2021-03-19T03:50:53 #kisslinux <acheam> its fiiiine
2021-03-19T03:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i tried experimenting with different positioning, but I'd have to shove the mainDiv and navDiv into a seperate div and then fuck around with that and blugh
2021-03-19T03:52:13 #kisslinux <acheam> if you didn't use "position: absolute", then it would be fine, right?
2021-03-19T03:52:23 #kisslinux <acheam> you would just need to mess around with how you get things in the right place
2021-03-19T03:52:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know that I tried that
2021-03-19T03:52:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> for a while
2021-03-19T03:52:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> can't remember what went wrong but considering it hasn't been adjusted I must have run into a roadblock
2021-03-19T03:53:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...I want to say the problem was with adjusting the dimensions, not the position, of the mainDiv
2021-03-19T03:53:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I can set the position or the dimensions relative to the root of the document, but not both
2021-03-19T03:53:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> because if I set both it has all sorts of wackiness
2021-03-19T03:54:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah if you set it relative it's... hoo boy
2021-03-19T03:55:22 #kisslinux <acheam> I got it to work, not terribly
2021-03-19T03:55:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, really?
2021-03-19T03:55:34 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/fiIWWlg.png
2021-03-19T03:55:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i haven't looked at tinkering with my site in a while so
2021-03-19T03:55:45 #kisslinux <acheam> its not perfect, but I also did it in 30 seec
2021-03-19T03:55:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, yeah, I tried that too
2021-03-19T03:55:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> see then I'm sacrificing muh gaps
2021-03-19T03:56:08 #kisslinux <acheam> which gaps?
2021-03-19T03:56:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> under ideal conditions there's a slight gap between the top and bottom of the page
2021-03-19T03:56:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> in terms of the dimensions of the mainDiv
2021-03-19T03:56:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll probably just suck it up
2021-03-19T03:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> since accessibility is more important
2021-03-19T03:57:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I think thats still possible
2021-03-19T03:57:16 #kisslinux <acheam> just need to play with it a bit
2021-03-19T03:57:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh it has to be
2021-03-19T03:57:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like, html is also a pain in the ass to work with
2021-03-19T03:57:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> and css isn't much better
2021-03-19T03:57:44 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah for sure
2021-03-19T03:57:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> <thing></thing>
2021-03-19T03:57:53 #kisslinux <acheam> are you handwriting these pages?
2021-03-19T03:57:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-19T03:58:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> all of my CSS and HTML is handwritten and compliant
2021-03-19T03:58:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> with... I believe HTML3 and CSS2?
2021-03-19T03:58:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe?
2021-03-19T03:58:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> except for the decor in the navbar
2021-03-19T03:58:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> where it will surround your current selected page in > <
2021-03-19T03:58:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's technically invalid
2021-03-19T03:58:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> but fuck you
2021-03-19T03:58:52 #kisslinux <acheam> ah so thats automatic
2021-03-19T03:59:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, that's also hand-written
2021-03-19T03:59:16 #kisslinux <acheam> whats wrong about it then?
2021-03-19T03:59:20 #kisslinux <acheam> the presence of angle brackets?
2021-03-19T03:59:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-19T03:59:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> breaks syntax
2021-03-19T03:59:30 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-03-19T03:59:35 #kisslinux <acheam> escape code it?
2021-03-19T03:59:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> malformed tags or something according to W3C
2021-03-19T03:59:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah I probably should
2021-03-19T04:00:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> eventually I'd like to use php to generate a proper photo gallery to replace my screenshots
2021-03-19T04:00:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> since I want to add more stuff than just screenshots
2021-03-19T04:00:07 #kisslinux <acheam> ew php
2021-03-19T04:00:17 #kisslinux <acheam> static sites ftw
2021-03-19T04:00:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> PHP is only shit because everyone is using like
2021-03-19T04:00:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> php4
2021-03-19T04:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> when php is on version 7
2021-03-19T04:00:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-19T04:00:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> php is still technically "static" as far as I'm concerned
2021-03-19T04:00:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing's done client-side
2021-03-19T04:00:52 #kisslinux <acheam> version 8 I think
2021-03-19T04:01:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i could always use shell instead of PHP but...
2021-03-19T04:01:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> eh
2021-03-19T04:01:12 #kisslinux <acheam> sure, but its still much more complex than "request a document, server looks for document, server sends back document"
2021-03-19T04:01:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> marginally, sure
2021-03-19T04:01:43 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm now considering rewriting my site in older html
2021-03-19T04:01:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but as long as all my pages load quickly and aren't aesthetically eye-destroying
2021-03-19T04:01:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think it's okay
2021-03-19T04:02:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wanted to channel a suckless or cat-v sort of vibe originally
2021-03-19T04:02:18 #kisslinux <acheam> why html3 over html4?
2021-03-19T04:02:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, it wasn't like it was a conscious choice
2021-03-19T04:02:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just sort of sat down, wrote a page, and then gradually refined it
2021-03-19T04:02:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ah nice
2021-03-19T04:02:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I have no clue what I'm doing when it comes to web design
2021-03-19T04:03:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I love the look of your site
2021-03-19T04:03:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> the fact that it works in a mobile version of IE6 from the mid-'00s is just a bonus
2021-03-19T04:03:20 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-19T04:03:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> (I test it on my PDA sometimes)
2021-03-19T04:03:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I'll probably write a simple html4 hugo theme one of these days
2021-03-19T04:03:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, I just wanted a simple, clean website with minimal garnish
2021-03-19T04:03:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> no bullshit
2021-03-19T04:03:51 #kisslinux <acheam> to replace my stupid shell-script generated site
2021-03-19T04:03:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> no perl, no js, no fuckn
2021-03-19T04:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> whatever the fuck else websoydevs use
2021-03-19T04:04:18 #kisslinux <acheam> *webassembly*
2021-03-19T04:04:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew
2021-03-19T04:04:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I was going to embed game or video content into my page, it would be a link to the resource
2021-03-19T04:04:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only exception to that is images
2021-03-19T04:04:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I scale those down and make a preview thumbnail
2021-03-19T04:05:35 #kisslinux <acheam> no images on my site, thank you
2021-03-19T04:05:40 #kisslinux <acheam> pure text and structure
2021-03-19T04:05:48 #kisslinux <acheam> images are unnecesary
2021-03-19T04:05:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i also took a little inspiration from windowmaker.org and afterstep.org
2021-03-19T04:05:56 #kisslinux <acheam> SVGs aren't terrible though
2021-03-19T04:06:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> (it's where I got the idea to have a mainDiv containing the content)
2021-03-19T04:06:33 #kisslinux <acheam> html5 has semantic elements for that kind of thing which I like
2021-03-19T04:06:48 #kisslinux <acheam> like "<main>", "<article>", "<section>", "<footer>"
2021-03-19T04:06:59 #kisslinux <acheam> makes it clearer, especially for screen readers
2021-03-19T04:07:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. maybe I should look into that then, if it can improve accessibility
2021-03-19T04:07:27 #kisslinux <acheam> but its html5 then
2021-03-19T04:07:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> also true
2021-03-19T04:07:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if it's invalid in older revisions it won't have any effect
2021-03-19T04:07:42 #kisslinux <acheam> although I don't think older browsers will give too much of a fight about it
2021-03-19T04:07:44 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-03-19T04:07:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> see that's the thing
2021-03-19T04:08:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it has no *practical* downsides, it's a good thing
2021-03-19T04:08:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> as long as it remains readable and accessible in as many formats as possible, I'm hapy
2021-03-19T04:08:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/hapy/happy/
2021-03-19T04:08:27 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> as long as it remains readable and accessible in as many formats as possible, I'm happy
2021-03-19T04:08:31 #kisslinux <acheam> the one thing I'm always torn on is dark theme
2021-03-19T04:08:40 #kisslinux <acheam> reduces accesibility, but looks better IMO
2021-03-19T04:08:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get torn up over it
2021-03-19T04:08:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> leave it to the enduser
2021-03-19T04:08:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> same with fonts
2021-03-19T04:08:59 #kisslinux <acheam> I just say "serif" for fonts
2021-03-19T04:09:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> they know what they want, you don't
2021-03-19T04:09:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's my opinion
2021-03-19T04:09:22 #kisslinux <acheam> but I like to impose my opinion on others >:
2021-03-19T04:09:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> m e h
2021-03-19T04:09:40 #kisslinux <acheam> and I don't like "prefers-colorscheme-dark"
2021-03-19T04:09:46 #kisslinux <acheam> because muh fingerprinting
2021-03-19T04:09:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly the only "quality content" on my site rn is the interesting links section
2021-03-19T04:10:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> in particular I recommend the last three links
2021-03-19T04:10:46 #kisslinux <acheam> I didn't know that "gvim" is obscure
2021-03-19T04:11:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> not many people know that GVim can be built with Xaw :P
2021-03-19T04:11:13 #kisslinux <acheam> or xarchiver
2021-03-19T04:11:15 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm
2021-03-19T04:11:18 #kisslinux <acheam> I did not know that
2021-03-19T04:11:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> or that xarchiver can be built with MOTIF
2021-03-19T04:11:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> both much lighter than Qt/Gtk/Whatever
2021-03-19T04:11:41 #kisslinux <acheam> who doesn't know about xclock?
2021-03-19T04:11:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> normies
2021-03-19T04:11:51 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't that like standard xorg?
2021-03-19T04:11:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, but so is xedit
2021-03-19T04:12:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and how many people know about xedit
2021-03-19T04:12:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> or xfontsel for that matter
2021-03-19T04:12:20 #kisslinux <acheam> xzoom > zoom.us
2021-03-19T04:12:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly xzoom is great
2021-03-19T04:12:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used to use a version of it written in Obj-C with WINGS
2021-03-19T04:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> embed it in my panel and boom
2021-03-19T04:12:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> little persistent magnifier
2021-03-19T04:13:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use a lot of the tools on that page
2021-03-19T04:13:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like to take a crack at updating or rewriting XmMixer once I know more about C
2021-03-19T04:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a lot of old tools I want to update
2021-03-19T04:14:57 #kisslinux <acheam> should I use xhtml or html?
2021-03-19T04:15:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you need the extensibility of xhtml?
2021-03-19T04:15:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> if no (you probably don't) html
2021-03-19T04:15:22 #kisslinux <acheam> no lol
2021-03-19T04:15:27 #kisslinux <acheam> just handwriting pages
2021-03-19T04:15:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> then write it in html
2021-03-19T04:15:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> 5hed
2021-03-19T04:16:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want to get xfm running again, too
2021-03-19T04:17:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> then I'll only have like
2021-03-19T04:17:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> two GTK2 programs in my standard kit
2021-03-19T04:17:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, three, technically
2021-03-19T04:37:10 #kisslinux <acheam> "As of May 2019, jQuery is used by 73% of the 10 million most popular websites'
2021-03-19T04:37:13 #kisslinux <acheam> wtf
2021-03-19T05:49:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> does st not support non-mono fonts? i tried a few fonts thats non-mono, and non have worked so far.. havent checked bitmapps though. I looking in the nerdfont repo on gitub, which has aloot of fonts
2021-03-19T05:49:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Dunno about mono/non-mono. Bitmap ones work
2021-03-19T05:51:17 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I guessed as much. just havent tried one yet. i have one in mind I wanna check out though. I just wanted to see if I could get one of the others I like abit to work aswell. mono fonts does seem to lack ligatures. which would be nice to have tbh. makes it easier to have a nice prompt anyway
2021-03-19T05:52:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Hey, for those of you who have experience with WAN modems... do they accept standard Hayes commands?
2021-03-19T05:52:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I've heard some do, but I'd rather get an answer from a group I trust before I dump money on hardware
2021-03-19T06:56:50 #kisslinux <merakor> Nothing quite like the warmth of compiling Webkit on a cold morning
2021-03-19T09:25:46 #kisslinux <travankor> https://github.com/danbooru/danbooru/issues/4748
2021-03-19T09:26:30 #kisslinux <travankor> now we got proof that ddevault is an unironic shitposter
2021-03-19T09:29:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> "Github refuses to unsubscribe me from thousands of notifications"
2021-03-19T16:23:12 #kisslinux <acheam> he's been working on a new programming language
2021-03-19T16:23:14 #kisslinux <acheam> kind of scared ngl
2021-03-19T16:47:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> To be clear I have nothing against Drew. Just what he does sometimes doubtful. Otherwise he is interesting person to track from afar. So their "secret project" is programming language then?
2021-03-19T16:54:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Prove me that I'm wrong if there's legit reasons to be scared or whatever
2021-03-19T16:56:57 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-03-19T16:57:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I think its designed to be a bit higher level than C, but still a "systems programming language" with a large standard libary
2021-03-19T16:57:27 #kisslinux <acheam> should be interesting, given Drew's values
2021-03-19T16:57:49 #kisslinux <acheam> being scared was a hyperbole :)
2021-03-19T16:58:01 #kisslinux <acheam> it looks like a really interesting project
2021-03-19T16:59:52 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> On the side of programming languages at least he is the first person to know that Rust sucks and deals only with C. I'm intrigued
2021-03-19T17:04:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ah there was new blog post about it. That explains why you know about it
2021-03-19T17:05:07 #kisslinux <acheam> oh I didn't even see that lol
2021-03-19T17:05:23 #kisslinux <acheam> just gave info from what hes told at #cmpwn
2021-03-19T17:06:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It literally just got posted I think. Chechked like half of hour ago previous time
2021-03-19T17:07:04 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah looks like just 6 min ago
2021-03-19T17:07:17 #kisslinux <acheam> looks really cool though
2021-03-19T17:09:09 #kisslinux <varbhat> <nxghtmvrx "On the side of programming langu"> yes
2021-03-19T17:09:36 #kisslinux <varbhat> what do you think are alternative to C and C++ ?
2021-03-19T17:10:02 #kisslinux <varbhat> I approximate answers to Zig and Rust respectively but these are not very mature
2021-03-19T17:10:19 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah i'd say Zig is the frontrunner right now
2021-03-19T17:10:26 #kisslinux <acheam> but soon. drewlang
2021-03-19T17:11:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Golang is somewhat alternative with C-like syntax but can't be used for everything. Don't know anything else that is close
2021-03-19T17:12:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also its statically compiled so you don't need to keep anything but the binary itself in deps which is how C should work
2021-03-19T17:17:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i like nim but that's because of my filthy python ways
2021-03-19T17:18:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Drewlang syntax is glorious :o Though I dislike these "::" like in C++
2021-03-19T17:18:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> At this point its literally blend of Go, C and C++ from looks of it
2021-03-19T17:19:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Isn't Nim really nieche thing? Thought of it too but imo no point
2021-03-19T17:20:20 #kisslinux <acheam> its kind of a cross between C and python from what I can tell
2021-03-19T17:21:08 #kisslinux <acheam> its interesting in that it compiles to another language, and then the second langauge is compiled to a binary
2021-03-19T17:21:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "Nim generates native dependency-free executables, not dependent on a virtual machine, which are small and allow easy redistribution."
2021-03-19T17:21:20 #kisslinux <acheam> for example, nim --> c --> binary
2021-03-19T17:21:26 #kisslinux <acheam> or even nim --> js --> nodejs
2021-03-19T17:22:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what about vlang
2021-03-19T17:23:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I've listened "The art of code" on code that recompiles itself in more than 100 languages or something. But what's the practical use of it?
2021-03-19T17:26:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Because I don't think that someone will be learning Nim because of need to get C code instead just using C
2021-03-19T17:26:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/instead/instead of/
2021-03-19T17:26:50 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Because I don't think that someone will be learning Nim because of need to get C code instead of just using C
2021-03-19T17:27:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> isn't it always going to depend on your needs though?  like, you need a reason to choose a specific programming language
2021-03-19T17:43:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ^ That's exactly what I mean. So I don't get what's the practical usecase for such a feature
2021-03-19T17:45:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> gentoo doesn't list much information at all about workstation cards :v
2021-03-19T17:45:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> fun trial and error time
2021-03-19T17:46:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i think one example they give is if you're doing frontend and backend work, nim allows you to compile to javascript for frontend stuff and you can compile to C on backend.  that way, you only have to know one language and you can support two different "systems"?
2021-03-19T17:46:34 #kisslinux <varbhat> <testuser_[m] "what about vlang"> worst
2021-03-19T17:47:23 #kisslinux <varbhat> <acheam "its kind of a cross between C an"> yes. but i don't really like indentation as blocks
2021-03-19T17:47:36 #kisslinux <varbhat> i prefer braces
2021-03-19T17:48:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Contribute stuff yourself after some personal experience with cards then :p
2021-03-19T17:48:39 #kisslinux <jslick> dilyn when card do you have?
2021-03-19T17:48:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> wx2100
2021-03-19T17:49:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> gentoo will pry my arcane knowledge from my cold dead hands
2021-03-19T17:49:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's probably closest to a polaris 10 GPU but like... would that work? who knows!
2021-03-19T17:50:29 #kisslinux <jslick> oh, uh I'm not familiar with that lineup; is it amdgpu compatible?  My make.conf has VIDEO_CARDS="amdgpu radeonsi"
2021-03-19T17:50:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> it should be yeah
2021-03-19T17:51:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> i saw that line in a reddit post indeed. debian or something or other referenced it
2021-03-19T17:52:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> dmesg would reference any firmware files it *uses*, yes?
2021-03-19T17:52:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm assuming what I can do is just put them all in /usr/lib/firmware, let eudev do its thing loading the amdgpu module, and then just rebuild the kernel with amdgpu+firmware builtin
2021-03-19T17:56:01 #kisslinux <jslick> I'm not sure.  I see "Loaded firmware version" on my kiss machine
2021-03-19T18:01:40 #kisslinux <jslick> For gentoo, I've never manually configured firmware.  I just have linux-firmware installed and it works somehow (maybe via CONFIG_FW_LOADER?)
2021-03-19T18:12:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> the beautiful thing about modules is eudev will load the modules and if the firmware exists in the /right/ place everything justwerks(tm)
2021-03-19T18:15:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> In EmacsOS with systemd-kerneld everything just works too. You may just switch at this point :p
2021-03-19T18:15:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> :X
2021-03-19T18:18:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its in development for 20+ years and tools from it used in different OSes so no one can stop you
2021-03-19T18:18:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i can stop me
2021-03-19T18:19:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/years/light years/
2021-03-19T18:19:08 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Its in development for 20+ light years and tools from it used in different OSes so no one can stop you
2021-03-19T18:21:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's a long distance to be in development
2021-03-19T18:21:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So yeah we measure its development in kilometers. Don't ask why
2021-03-19T18:22:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well actually that's because of SpaceMacs I think
2021-03-19T18:27:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> after having been using a microsoft arc mouse for... twelve years...
2021-03-19T18:27:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> this logitech g502 is absolutely mind blowing
2021-03-19T18:28:56 #kisslinux <acheam> how did you manage to use an arc mouse for 12 years without killing yourself?
2021-03-19T18:29:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> microshit strikes again
2021-03-19T18:29:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Feel ya. I've used laptop keyboard for very long time. In fact it was my first keyboard. My destop experience is still terrible because its not low-profile even if I have no laptops now
2021-03-19T18:29:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> low profile keyboards make me want to vomit ngl
2021-03-19T18:29:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> almost totally unusable
2021-03-19T18:29:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh btw good morning #kisslinux
2021-03-19T18:30:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Maybe that's because it wasn't your first for many years :p
2021-03-19T18:30:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, I only had shit-tier low profile keebs until I moved out on my own
2021-03-19T18:30:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that's... ten years of only using low-profile meme boards
2021-03-19T18:30:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> get a model M
2021-03-19T18:31:02 #kisslinux <acheam> its hard to type fast on a buckling spring imo
2021-03-19T18:31:07 #kisslinux <acheam> but super satisfying
2021-03-19T18:31:10 #kisslinux <acheam> so worth it
2021-03-19T18:31:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you have manlet fingers sure
2021-03-19T18:31:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i find I can't type quickly at all on lower-weight switches
2021-03-19T18:31:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> like - blurgh - reds
2021-03-19T18:31:38 #kisslinux * acheam looks down at his baby hands
2021-03-19T18:31:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> H a n d l e t
2021-03-19T18:31:48 #kisslinux <acheam> ew linears
2021-03-19T18:31:56 #kisslinux <acheam> need that *tactility*
2021-03-19T18:32:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> tactility is important too
2021-03-19T18:32:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I type in a very "lazy" way
2021-03-19T18:32:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> in that I let the force of the switch rebound help move my finger to the next key
2021-03-19T18:32:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the best way I can describe it
2021-03-19T18:32:39 #kisslinux <acheam> keyboard catapult?
2021-03-19T18:32:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...more like trampoline but yeah that works
2021-03-19T18:32:57 #kisslinux <acheam> keyboard catapult.
2021-03-19T18:33:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> on low-weight keebs I end up just dragging my fingers across the keyboard
2021-03-19T18:33:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's garbage
2021-03-19T18:33:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything is garbage
2021-03-19T18:33:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> from shit to shit, from garbage to garbage
2021-03-19T18:33:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway yeah keyboards
2021-03-19T18:33:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> my opinion is correct and everyone else's is wrong
2021-03-19T18:34:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> EOF
2021-03-19T18:35:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> quick guys the BDFL is out! destroy the channel!
2021-03-19T18:41:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> My fingers are bones and skin. They're not sausages. You can't stop me from wanting ortho :p
2021-03-19T18:42:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I never had experience with mechanical switches but I know exactly what I want anyways: silence.
2021-03-19T18:43:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> And my staggered keeb made me a hater due to multitude of reasons including my preferred keyboard layout
2021-03-19T18:44:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So I must get ortho board one day. But muh stuff is expensive especially if you located in a shithole
2021-03-19T18:44:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> *Pressed red button so sirens started screaming*
2021-03-19T18:45:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> The gen 1 arc mouse is surprisingly comfy
2021-03-19T18:46:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> But yeah. It has been rough
2021-03-19T18:46:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I hate using mouse :p
2021-03-19T18:46:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Why no one includes tracking points on keebs
2021-03-19T18:47:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/tracking points/trackpoint/
2021-03-19T18:47:21 #kisslinux <kissbot> <nxghtmvrx> Why no one includes trackpoint on keebs
2021-03-19T18:49:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If I won't get keyboard with trackpoint at some point then I'll get mouse with trackball
2021-03-19T18:55:08 #kisslinux <varbhat> <kissbot "<nxghtmvrx> Why no one includes "> https://tex.com.tw/
2021-03-19T18:56:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> trackballs are great
2021-03-19T18:56:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah tex is Lenovo's OEM or something
2021-03-19T18:56:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm going to get another one this month
2021-03-19T18:56:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> thinking an itak
2021-03-19T18:56:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> sorry, itac
2021-03-19T18:56:49 #kisslinux <varbhat> is tex good ?
2021-03-19T18:57:01 #kisslinux <varbhat> i think that i will buy ducky in future
2021-03-19T18:57:12 #kisslinux <varbhat> fully mechanical keyboard is my wish
2021-03-19T18:57:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> mechanical scmehanical
2021-03-19T18:57:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> springs or gtfo
2021-03-19T18:57:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> hall effect is also acceptable
2021-03-19T18:58:32 #kisslinux <varbhat> but, but,but.... it's not widely available now
2021-03-19T18:58:33 #kisslinux <acheam> nxghtmvrx: I though synaptics was lenovo's oem?
2021-03-19T18:58:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I don't care that much about mechanical keyboard rather than form-factor and other things since I never had experience but listening to disgusting clacks
2021-03-19T18:58:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> But sinche diy mech is the only way for me that's what I want
2021-03-19T18:59:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I think tex stuff is also synaptics
2021-03-19T18:59:31 #kisslinux <varbhat> nxghtmvrx , i have not used any mechanical keyboard until now, but i have heard that it is very pleasant to type in that.
2021-03-19T18:59:41 #kisslinux <varbhat> i type in dvorak btw
2021-03-19T19:00:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> depends on the switch
2021-03-19T19:00:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i find most of them feel cheap and scratchy
2021-03-19T19:00:21 #kisslinux <varbhat> what about Cherry MX ?
2021-03-19T19:00:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially cherries
2021-03-19T19:00:29 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ^ Me too. Dvorak is awesome and that's why I want to switch to Halmak as it improves on Dvorak concepts
2021-03-19T19:00:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've been considering programming alternative keymaps into my keeb for a while
2021-03-19T19:01:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Tex Yoda II is Lenovo keyboard for 20 years of thinkpad anniversary or something
2021-03-19T19:01:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> You mean multi-use keys
2021-03-19T19:01:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a bank of DIPs on the bottom so it wouldn't be hard to switch in the event of IRC arguments
2021-03-19T19:01:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no
2021-03-19T19:01:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean alternative keymaps
2021-03-19T19:01:54 #kisslinux <aarng> which cherry switches have you tested, midfavila?
2021-03-19T19:02:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> red, blue, brown
2021-03-19T19:02:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I tried these green switches
2021-03-19T19:02:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think those are razer?
2021-03-19T19:02:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ew cherry normies stuff tho
2021-03-19T19:02:24 #kisslinux <aarng> so you think even linear ones feel scratchy?
2021-03-19T19:02:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-19T19:02:31 #kisslinux <aarng> browns I can understand
2021-03-19T19:02:44 #kisslinux <varbhat> <midfavila "red, blue, brown"> which keycaps do you recommend?
2021-03-19T19:02:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> the ones that fit
2021-03-19T19:02:54 #kisslinux <varbhat> or recommend me your best keyboard
2021-03-19T19:02:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Razer are proprietary garbage that isn't compatible with MX
2021-03-19T19:03:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> best keyboard? old IBM mainframe board
2021-03-19T19:03:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Keycaps on razer switches different from normal ones
2021-03-19T19:03:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> uses springs, is an absolute unit capable of being used as a shield, reprogrammable firmware, a e s t h e t i c round keycaps
2021-03-19T19:03:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it has a built-in solinoid for Real Typewriter Action:tm:!
2021-03-19T19:04:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh there's also a convenient space for storing your system manual
2021-03-19T19:04:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah tl;dr mechanical switches are garbage and anything marketed with them should be avoided
2021-03-19T19:05:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> only children play with toys
2021-03-19T19:05:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> as a very mature individual I'm qualified to say this
2021-03-19T19:05:29 #kisslinux <varbhat> <nxghtmvrx "^ Me too. Dvorak is awesome and "> switching to new layout is not very easy task btw
2021-03-19T19:05:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lube the switches tho. They all scratchy on stock to my liking
2021-03-19T19:05:43 #kisslinux <aarng> mechanical switches are overrated
2021-03-19T19:05:46 #kisslinux <jslick> I have a tex shinobi and I hate it.  The keycaps are shaped such that it's hard to hit one key at a time.  My fingers keep hitting the space in between 2 keys.  Also the trackpoint randomly stopped working
2021-03-19T19:05:46 #kisslinux <varbhat> <varbhat "switching to new layout is not v"> also, android support is not present,it seems
2021-03-19T19:05:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I was going to go through the effort of lubing the switches I'd just grease my springs
2021-03-19T19:05:56 #kisslinux <aarng> what's nice is usually the build quality of more expensive keyboards
2021-03-19T19:06:00 #kisslinux <aarng> like metal plate mounting
2021-03-19T19:06:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-19T19:06:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of that tex keyboard
2021-03-19T19:06:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was going to get one but most reviews online say that it's built terribly
2021-03-19T19:06:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'd stay away
2021-03-19T19:06:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want a keyboard with a trackpoint get one from UNICOMP
2021-03-19T19:06:37 #kisslinux <varbhat> <midfavila "best keyboard? old IBM mainframe"> it's not available to buy
2021-03-19T19:06:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> you never said it had to be available
2021-03-19T19:06:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> 5hed
2021-03-19T19:07:07 #kisslinux <jslick> My solution is just to keep buying thinkpads
2021-03-19T19:07:08 #kisslinux <varbhat> if i want to buy good keyboard, probably best one now, which one is good?
2021-03-19T19:07:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> model M
2021-03-19T19:07:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> relatively cheap if you can find a good deal, excellent typing experience, wide variety of form factors
2021-03-19T19:07:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> durable, easy to modify, etc
2021-03-19T19:07:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> might have to take it apart and replace the plastic rivets with nuts and bolts though
2021-03-19T19:08:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> Trackpoints are disgusting
2021-03-19T19:08:16 #kisslinux <dilynm> Why would anyone want one
2021-03-19T19:08:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> trackpoints are great fuck off
2021-03-19T19:08:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> go back to reddit
2021-03-19T19:08:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> If I wanted a nipple on my keyboard I'd at least want it to look good
2021-03-19T19:08:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> print yourself an anime waifu nipple
2021-03-19T19:09:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> there
2021-03-19T19:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> perfection
2021-03-19T19:09:18 #kisslinux <varbhat> <midfavila "model M"> https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/NEW_M is this the one?
2021-03-19T19:09:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want a unicomp, yeah
2021-03-19T19:09:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're good boards
2021-03-19T19:09:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> also muh small business
2021-03-19T19:09:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that's based
2021-03-19T19:10:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lmao anime waifu nipple on trackpoint. Disgusting weeb creep build complete
2021-03-19T19:10:49 #kisslinux <dilynm> They're the og mechanicals
2021-03-19T19:10:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> Classics
2021-03-19T19:10:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-03-19T19:10:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> NONONO
2021-03-19T19:11:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're NOT mechanical
2021-03-19T19:11:03 #kisslinux <dilynm> :P
2021-03-19T19:11:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> I like saying that to trigger people
2021-03-19T19:11:12 #kisslinux * midfavila screams
2021-03-19T19:11:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's like saying macOS is based on BSD
2021-03-19T19:11:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> problem.jpg
2021-03-19T19:11:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> emphatically WRONG
2021-03-19T19:11:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> we DO have a problem, dilyn
2021-03-19T19:11:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> you, me, mcdonald's parking lot
2021-03-19T19:11:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now
2021-03-19T19:11:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> bring your shitty macbook
2021-03-19T19:11:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're going at it
2021-03-19T19:11:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Macos based on BSD tho
2021-03-19T19:11:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2021-03-19T19:11:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> By fact
2021-03-19T19:11:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's literally not
2021-03-19T19:12:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's based on NeXT and system five
2021-03-19T19:12:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck off
2021-03-19T19:12:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nerd
2021-03-19T19:12:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Get yourself anime waifu nipple on trackpoint
2021-03-19T19:12:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> And keep calm
2021-03-19T19:12:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> XNU is from next, Mach is a research microkernel developed at carnegie-mellon, the only BSD code is for the userspace and filesystems and shit
2021-03-19T19:12:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:CCCCCCCCCC
2021-03-19T19:12:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Like when using EmecsOS with systemd-kerneld
2021-03-19T19:13:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what fuck yoonix
2021-03-19T19:13:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm going to buy a lisp machine
2021-03-19T19:14:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its loonix not yoonix doh
2021-03-19T19:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> loonix is yoonix
2021-03-19T19:14:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah its yoonix-like
2021-03-19T19:14:36 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Big difference
2021-03-19T19:14:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only difference is that one isn't a trademark violation
2021-03-19T19:15:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> and eyepee is retarded anyway
2021-03-19T19:15:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Good luck on lisp machine. Fully support you on that
2021-03-19T19:15:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Might as well throw my system block out my window
2021-03-19T19:15:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> opengenera here I come
2021-03-19T19:15:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> as soon as I find one for sale on ebay or something
2021-03-19T19:16:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder if the apple 1 on ebay was sold
2021-03-19T19:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope, not yet
2021-03-19T19:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao they want almost two million dollars for it
2021-03-19T19:16:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://www.ebay.ca/itm/APPLE-1-Original-1976-Computer-System-1st-Steve-Wozniak-designed-computer-with/174195921349?hash=item288ee2d1c5:g:UNoAAOSwWqtdrkDz
2021-03-19T19:17:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah genius salesman "First Steve Wozniak designed computer"
2021-03-19T19:18:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd rather buy an old MITS or IMSAI machine
2021-03-19T19:47:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> On the quality of Tex boards I'd rather just watch Rene Rebe videos as he bought and assembled Yoda II
2021-03-19T20:12:35 #kisslinux <ahhh> just wanted to say I was worried about dylan being gone glad he's alright
2021-03-19T20:13:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lolwut
2021-03-19T20:13:26 #kisslinux <ahhh> isn't he dylin now
2021-03-19T20:13:31 #kisslinux <ahhh> dilyn
2021-03-19T20:13:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn != dylan
2021-03-19T20:13:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> ereps is not araps
2021-03-19T20:13:53 #kisslinux <ahhh> fuck so he's still missing
2021-03-19T20:14:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> "I can't believe it's not dylan!"
2021-03-19T20:14:13 #kisslinux <ahhh> I don't know if this is a very elaborate joke or 2 people with very similar names
2021-03-19T20:14:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i prefer to think "not participating" rather than "missing"
2021-03-19T20:14:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lmao you know how to say nice thing and instantly disappoint
2021-03-19T20:14:47 #kisslinux <ahhh> ah shit
2021-03-19T20:14:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> 2 people with similar names :)
2021-03-19T20:14:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> no it's just a joke
2021-03-19T20:15:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't that right dilynm
2021-03-19T20:16:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah the fact that he's missing is is none of our business. We have his greatest gift after all. Kiss that is
2021-03-19T20:16:20 #kisslinux <ahhh> well that's pretty sad wish the best for him
2021-03-19T20:17:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> By now I think he was disappointed in computing/tech in general and quit completely. I think this is the best stance to believe
2021-03-19T20:17:31 #kisslinux <ahhh> I didn't even know there was a kiss irc I just went on his github once like back in jan and he had stopped uploading stuff i was like damn
2021-03-19T20:18:21 #kisslinux <ahhh> looked for him again today just to see if he was back but I just found a reddit post
2021-03-19T20:18:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> The only thing we can try to do is to finish his k package manager
2021-03-19T20:19:32 #kisslinux <ahhh> sounds painful let's leave it to a talented developer
2021-03-19T20:19:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only way to become a talented developer is to walk the path of the shitty developer
2021-03-19T20:20:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ^
2021-03-19T20:20:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> become the soydev
2021-03-19T20:20:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah
2021-03-19T20:20:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then transcend the soydev
2021-03-19T20:20:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Just improve over time and have experiences on your own. That's the only way
2021-03-19T20:20:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> In other words its possible
2021-03-19T20:20:42 #kisslinux <ahhh> still pretty painful i bet the package manager is in fucking shell or something all POSIX compliant
2021-03-19T20:21:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean it literally is
2021-03-19T20:21:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Especially since he left detailed notes on what k should be
2021-03-19T20:21:05 #kisslinux <dilynm> I wish I was Dylan :(
2021-03-19T20:21:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> beta dilyn vs chad dylan
2021-03-19T20:21:37 #kisslinux <ahhh> wouldn't it be slow since it's shell and shit though? like compared to others
2021-03-19T20:21:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah that's dumb stance dude. I wish I was X is a looser thing to say
2021-03-19T20:21:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> not really
2021-03-19T20:21:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of building a package is running shell scripts anyway lmao
2021-03-19T20:22:07 #kisslinux <dilynm> kiss itself is actually quite quick
2021-03-19T20:22:10 #kisslinux <ahhh> yeah fair enough
2021-03-19T20:22:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss just removes the tedium
2021-03-19T20:22:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I am not Barack Obama and I will never be. There's no point ever talking about that
2021-03-19T20:22:30 #kisslinux <ahhh> you could be
2021-03-19T20:22:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> why would you want to be
2021-03-19T20:22:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> politicians suck
2021-03-19T20:22:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> No reason. Just first thing that come to head for example
2021-03-19T20:23:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> become look smeeth
2021-03-19T20:23:08 #kisslinux <ahhh> you could be president
2021-03-19T20:23:25 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lmao me is me. Experiences vary
2021-03-19T20:23:32 #kisslinux <ahhh> get a power boner even though you are still not in power of anything
2021-03-19T20:23:48 #kisslinux <ahhh> oh look at me I'm the president I sign papers with a very expensive pen
2021-03-19T20:24:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Consumerism sucks
2021-03-19T20:24:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Money is a paper
2021-03-19T20:24:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> buh muh macbook
2021-03-19T20:24:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> I would love to be barrack
2021-03-19T20:24:39 #kisslinux <ahhh> is politics an allowed topic here i'd like to talk about it just making sure
2021-03-19T20:24:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Car is a car whether its lambo or some cheap one
2021-03-19T20:24:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What's the point spending more on it
2021-03-19T20:25:35 #kisslinux <acheam> ahhh: its never on topic here
2021-03-19T20:25:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> we talk about everything except kiss
2021-03-19T20:25:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> True
2021-03-19T20:25:57 #kisslinux <acheam> we also have a wide range of political views
2021-03-19T20:25:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> mostly we just bully dilyn
2021-03-19T20:26:01 #kisslinux <ahhh> 98% of politicians are selfish bastards who will end up ruining the world
2021-03-19T20:26:11 #kisslinux <ahhh> We always find a way to ruin the world
2021-03-19T20:26:13 #kisslinux <acheam> who's the 2%?
2021-03-19T20:26:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> We mostly talk about whatever old tech midfavila is ranting about this week
2021-03-19T20:26:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey I rant about new tech too
2021-03-19T20:26:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> 2016 is still new tech
2021-03-19T20:26:36 #kisslinux <ahhh> the fucking legit ones that don't matter anyway because they're only like 2%
2021-03-19T20:26:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I am literally in 1%. We all pretty much here even
2021-03-19T20:26:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> gibs me dat nxghtmvrx
2021-03-19T20:27:47 #kisslinux <ahhh> people say shit repeats over time in history and it's pretty accurate I think
2021-03-19T20:28:10 #kisslinux <ahhh> before you had people justifying monarchy like yeah look it's what god wants see
2021-03-19T20:28:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Economics will crash this year. Mark my words
2021-03-19T20:28:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> it crashed last year fivehead
2021-03-19T20:28:25 #kisslinux <ahhh> now you have politicians justifying current systems being like YEAH BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED SEE
2021-03-19T20:28:36 #kisslinux <ahhh> but it's not what anyone wanted
2021-03-19T20:28:39 #kisslinux <ahhh> everything's broken
2021-03-19T20:28:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> No. Real crash not this nonsense
2021-03-19T20:29:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Everything is broken and wrong is my stance in life
2021-03-19T20:29:04 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Because it is
2021-03-19T20:29:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm not broken :(
2021-03-19T20:29:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> society bad because society bad
2021-03-19T20:29:20 #kisslinux <ahhh> I really hope a new political system comes out of that fucking crash because if it doesn't then no point living honestly
2021-03-19T20:29:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> Just broke kekw
2021-03-19T20:29:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what you get for using applel
2021-03-19T20:29:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I am both broken and broke
2021-03-19T20:30:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://based.cooking/
2021-03-19T20:30:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> OHHH Luke Smith stuff
2021-03-19T20:30:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> now I can get pancake recipes without ads. very cool, thank you luke
2021-03-19T20:30:34 #kisslinux <ahhh> everything seems to be going to shit politicians are trying to get encryption banned and allowing data to be sold like it's cookies
2021-03-19T20:31:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna add that link to my site
2021-03-19T20:31:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Tbh there's no point in living by itself exactly as you mentioned. You may find goal in your life that will justify it for you but its still pointless outside your own head
2021-03-19T20:31:56 #kisslinux <ahhh> optimistic nihilism
2021-03-19T20:31:59 #kisslinux <ahhh> love that
2021-03-19T20:33:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> alright that's done
2021-03-19T20:34:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> now I can funnel the one person per year that sees my site to a better recipe site
2021-03-19T20:36:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Fuck I swear I'll stop doing nonsense today and publish at least one of my guides
2021-03-19T20:37:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Otherwise I will never finish
2021-03-19T20:37:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to actually do stuff today too
2021-03-19T20:39:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'm getting near burnout point by doing nothing. Isn't that funni
2021-03-19T20:39:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2021-03-19T20:39:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm getting to the same point honestly
2021-03-19T20:52:44 #kisslinux <ilyht> Hello
2021-03-19T20:52:58 #kisslinux <ilyht> I have a question for the C enthusiasts in here
2021-03-19T20:53:33 #kisslinux <acheam> plenty of those here!
2021-03-19T20:53:50 #kisslinux <ilyht> yeah so I was looking at the source of dylan's paleta
2021-03-19T20:53:57 #kisslinux <ilyht> https://github.com/dylanaraps/paleta/blob/master/src/log.h
2021-03-19T20:54:00 #kisslinux <ilyht> and I found that
2021-03-19T20:54:27 #kisslinux <ilyht> Why is fprintf followed by puts with an empty string used instead of printf for example
2021-03-19T20:54:27 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm
2021-03-19T20:54:43 #kisslinux <ilyht> I know there has to be a reason for it
2021-03-19T20:54:47 #kisslinux <acheam> dylin is normally good at documenting stuff like this
2021-03-19T20:54:57 #kisslinux <acheam> argh
2021-03-19T20:54:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean dylan
2021-03-19T20:55:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe printf was mangling things somehow
2021-03-19T20:55:46 #kisslinux <ilyht> but isn't printf just fprintf(stdout, ...)
2021-03-19T20:56:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk man I'm no C expert
2021-03-19T20:57:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Quoting midfavila I'm master at "Hello World" degree forever
2021-03-19T20:57:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, don't get me wrong
2021-03-19T20:57:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm the hello world master
2021-03-19T20:57:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> but actually useful programs? naw
2021-03-19T20:58:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> eugh, more people are shilling that framework laptop
2021-03-19T20:58:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I just literally don't know what to write and don't have enough practice because of that
2021-03-19T20:58:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want to try and write a small image viewer and stuff
2021-03-19T20:58:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe update older programs
2021-03-19T20:58:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ew something X related is pain
2021-03-19T20:58:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I'd rather do CLI
2021-03-19T20:59:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> X is fine
2021-03-19T20:59:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least it's not wayshit
2021-03-19T21:00:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well I don't have experience on that so will fix soon by installing Wayland :p
2021-03-19T21:00:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-19T21:00:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> bad
2021-03-19T21:00:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I want to test their tiling WMs
2021-03-19T21:01:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't get the appeal of most tilers
2021-03-19T21:01:20 #kisslinux <ilyht> ahh I had some C guy explain it to me
2021-03-19T21:01:29 #kisslinux <ilyht> see he's outputting to stderr not stdout
2021-03-19T21:01:33 #kisslinux <ilyht> puts prints a new line
2021-03-19T21:01:54 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh that's cool
2021-03-19T21:02:05 #kisslinux <ilyht> the do while(0) part tho
2021-03-19T21:02:10 #kisslinux <ilyht> still unexplained
2021-03-19T21:02:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> should be equivalent to while false
2021-03-19T21:02:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> which means it's never executed.
2021-03-19T21:02:38 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-19T21:02:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I wonder if Dylan was planning to write C bible
2021-03-19T21:03:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah its while false just using one less library
2021-03-19T21:04:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem for me is that a lot of the problems I want to solve can be easily done with just shell
2021-03-19T21:04:11 #kisslinux <ilyht> no because it's do first
2021-03-19T21:04:13 #kisslinux <jslick> It's a common idiom to prevent macro accidents.  Lemme find a reference...
2021-03-19T21:04:15 #kisslinux <ilyht> do while it only runs once
2021-03-19T21:04:19 #kisslinux <ilyht> https://hownot2code.com/2016/12/05/do-while-0-in-macros/
2021-03-19T21:04:29 #kisslinux <jslick> https://stackoverflow.com/a/1067238
2021-03-19T21:04:30 #kisslinux <ilyht> thanks again ##programming
2021-03-19T21:05:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Doh C. You supposed to be simple. Not join soydevs
2021-03-19T21:05:45 #kisslinux <ilyht> C is simple but complex
2021-03-19T21:06:43 #kisslinux * midfavila rolls their eyes
2021-03-19T21:07:42 #kisslinux <ilyht> it's simple until you get a dangling pointer
2021-03-19T21:07:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, it's still simple
2021-03-19T21:07:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just not easy to use
2021-03-19T21:08:29 #kisslinux <ilyht> not easy to use but still up there
2021-03-19T21:08:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird, looks like SDF allows access to GNU Guile but not Scheme48 or Common Lisp
2021-03-19T21:08:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-03-19T21:11:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=Hp5kUmni5Dk
2021-03-19T21:12:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> friendly reminder that 4:3 is better than 16:9
2021-03-19T21:12:58 #kisslinux <ilyht> only if you are steve from minecraft
2021-03-19T21:13:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> go away, zoomzoom
2021-03-19T21:13:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> your brown bricks are not welcome here
2021-03-19T21:14:18 #kisslinux <ilyht> what about 16:3
2021-03-19T21:16:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I prefer 16:8 lmao
2021-03-19T21:16:26 #kisslinux <ilyht> wait is dilynm dylan
2021-03-19T21:16:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-19T21:16:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yes he is
2021-03-19T21:16:42 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Dylan is back
2021-03-19T21:17:02 #kisslinux <ilyht> guy knows his ways with C macros
2021-03-19T21:17:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> dilynm could you explain your code for a mere mortal like me please
2021-03-19T21:18:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=xQ4KJF-6Agc
2021-03-19T21:18:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> distrotube has another shitty take
2021-03-19T21:18:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> fuck dt
2021-03-19T21:18:30 #kisslinux <ilyht> is that like youtube but private
2021-03-19T21:18:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> literally doing nonsense
2021-03-19T21:18:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, ilyht
2021-03-19T21:18:53 #kisslinux <ilyht> who the fuck uses fish
2021-03-19T21:19:19 #kisslinux <ilyht> isn't fish that bloated ass shit with a web ui
2021-03-19T21:19:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its non-posix who cares that it exists
2021-03-19T21:19:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> his problem is that he's using a non-posix shell as the system script shell
2021-03-19T21:19:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> The code in general is designed to delete all of your files. More specifically, paleta deletes your pixels
2021-03-19T21:20:00 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> :c
2021-03-19T21:20:03 #kisslinux <ilyht> thanks for the info dylan
2021-03-19T21:20:05 #kisslinux <ilyht> anyway
2021-03-19T21:20:33 #kisslinux <ilyht> what do you guys think of epoll
2021-03-19T21:20:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> bad and cringe
2021-03-19T21:20:49 #kisslinux <ilyht> like definitely select and poll are more posix
2021-03-19T21:20:54 #kisslinux <ilyht> but epoll is really fast
2021-03-19T21:20:59 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> dt thinks he's funny because ranting like Luke or something. Literally just nonsense and cringe
2021-03-19T21:21:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me I need to write a script so I can read my manpages as pdf docs
2021-03-19T21:22:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Ahh Luke's mansplain
2021-03-19T21:22:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> would mansplain in emacs be womansplain
2021-03-19T21:22:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-03-19T21:22:30 #kisslinux <ilyht> I didn't even know linux youtubers were a thing
2021-03-19T21:22:35 #kisslinux <ilyht> is there bsd ones too
2021-03-19T21:22:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-19T21:22:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> never
2021-03-19T21:22:50 #kisslinux <dilynm> What in the actual fuck is that video
2021-03-19T21:22:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lads is this sarcasm
2021-03-19T21:22:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-19T21:23:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> he's serious
2021-03-19T21:23:00 #kisslinux <ilyht> man think of this for a second
2021-03-19T21:23:04 #kisslinux <ilyht> kissbsd
2021-03-19T21:23:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> already thought of it months ago
2021-03-19T21:23:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway
2021-03-19T21:23:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2021-03-19T21:23:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah DT is kind of a tard
2021-03-19T21:23:20 #kisslinux <ilyht> name would be shorter
2021-03-19T21:23:26 #kisslinux <dilynm> kiss should be portable enough to work on BSD
2021-03-19T21:23:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> "NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE POSIX SHEBANGS FOR POSIX SCRIPTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
2021-03-19T21:23:36 #kisslinux <dilynm> Nobody has tried
2021-03-19T21:23:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> claudia is iirc
2021-03-19T21:23:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm waiting for hyperbolaBSD
2021-03-19T21:23:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> I thought they just went full boar bsd
2021-03-19T21:23:58 #kisslinux <ilyht> dilynm: what do you think of epoll as opposed to select and poll
2021-03-19T21:24:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Literally parody on Luke: "Stop being X virgin. Start being X chad"
2021-03-19T21:24:23 #kisslinux <dilynm> I think the extra character is bloat and that makes epoll bad
2021-03-19T21:24:32 #kisslinux <ilyht> I've been thinking which one I should use for my projects
2021-03-19T21:24:38 #kisslinux <ilyht> well but see
2021-03-19T21:24:47 #kisslinux <ilyht> epoll is edge triggered and pretty fast for networking
2021-03-19T21:25:02 #kisslinux <ilyht> more cpu efficient too because of it
2021-03-19T21:25:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its non-POSIX I don't see a point in discussing it anyways
2021-03-19T21:25:29 #kisslinux <ilyht> but I've heard it's not totally POSIX compliant since it's a kernel thing and not portable
2021-03-19T21:25:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're writing portable software then non-portable extensions are off the table
2021-03-19T21:25:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> EOF
2021-03-19T21:26:04 #kisslinux <ilyht> fair enough
2021-03-19T21:26:27 #kisslinux <ilyht> libuv feels bloated as hell
2021-03-19T21:30:03 #kisslinux <acheam> lolol that 48 sec video has like 15 cuts in it
2021-03-19T21:30:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> video editing is my passion
2021-03-19T21:30:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/passion/prison/
2021-03-19T21:30:47 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> video editing is my prison
2021-03-19T21:31:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i also like how overblown the exposure is
2021-03-19T21:31:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If you need libuv just bake it into your needed binary by compiling it statically. Still not a solution but at least something better
2021-03-19T21:32:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> DT thinks he's funny or something
2021-03-19T21:32:26 #kisslinux <ilyht> if you think about it it's bloated but it's not too bad
2021-03-19T21:32:51 #kisslinux <ilyht> like it uses epoll on linux kqueue on bsd monkey message on windows
2021-03-19T21:32:51 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I agree. EmacsOS can't be that bad
2021-03-19T21:33:12 #kisslinux <ilyht> tries to use the most efficient way offered
2021-03-19T21:36:13 #kisslinux <nerditup> Does this mean I need to setup the rust toolchain to build the kernel now
2021-03-19T21:38:02 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yes please we need it for EmacsOS. Our systemd-kerneld is in Rust
2021-03-19T21:38:30 #kisslinux <acheam> new song of the day!
2021-03-19T21:38:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeehaw
2021-03-19T21:38:47 #kisslinux <ilyht> I think rust is overhyped
2021-03-19T21:39:19 #kisslinux <acheam> don't worry, thats not a minority opinion here
2021-03-19T21:39:33 #kisslinux <ilyht> I used to like it back in the day
2021-03-19T21:39:42 #kisslinux <ilyht> but now it feels too bloated
2021-03-19T21:39:50 #kisslinux <ilyht> everything is like 500mb of dependencies
2021-03-19T21:39:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> bloat bloat bloat
2021-03-19T21:40:17 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Wait what ddevault deleted his "move fast and break things" blog
2021-03-19T21:40:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> what was that about again
2021-03-19T21:41:24 #kisslinux <acheam> rust
2021-03-19T21:41:35 #kisslinux <nerditup> Ugh
2021-03-19T21:41:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, o b v i o u s l y, acheam
2021-03-19T21:41:44 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-19T21:41:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like, in what context
2021-03-19T21:42:03 #kisslinux <acheam> I think thats the one that spawned from python cryptography adding a rust dep
2021-03-19T21:42:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Why exactly it sucks
2021-03-19T21:42:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, yeah, that flustercuck
2021-03-19T21:42:54 #kisslinux <ilyht> i saw some people saying rust was faster than C++
2021-03-19T21:42:57 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/drewdevault.com/commit/0b271db22b1ac7e935609680c4603ad3e2be5dc0
2021-03-19T21:42:59 #kisslinux <acheam> its still there
2021-03-19T21:43:02 #kisslinux <acheam> just not in the index
2021-03-19T21:43:22 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Interestingly enough he deleted and posted things randomly or something
2021-03-19T21:43:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> All the stuff as-is is still saved on my RSS tho
2021-03-19T21:43:51 #kisslinux <acheam> its all in the git history too
2021-03-19T21:44:07 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Added blogpost about anime in-between other ones too
2021-03-19T21:44:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wonder what dylan thought of animoo
2021-03-19T21:45:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i guess we'll never know
2021-03-19T21:45:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I want to drop everything as I only watch a few things per season when they finished. I hate ongoings
2021-03-19T21:47:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Guys why ubase does error with xorg?
2021-03-19T21:47:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Here's copy of that post from newsboat just in case https://0x0.st/-N6e.txt
2021-03-19T21:47:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> it doesn't
2021-03-19T21:47:42 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I cant sx in my xorg with ubase
2021-03-19T21:48:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> sounds like a problem with sx
2021-03-19T21:49:01 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I dont think so
2021-03-19T21:49:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Recompile it or even everything if there's any possibility of deps on ubase
2021-03-19T21:49:11 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Gave the error xf86openconsole
2021-03-19T21:49:29 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> That's not the error. Its a solution
2021-03-19T21:49:48 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> What can i do?
2021-03-19T21:49:57 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Says permission denied
2021-03-19T21:50:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Obviously something wrong with your perms/permgroup
2021-03-19T21:50:39 #kisslinux <acheam> call you mom and ask for permission
2021-03-19T21:50:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lmao
2021-03-19T21:50:57 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> KKKKK lol
2021-03-19T21:51:08 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Today is a cringe day or something?
2021-03-19T21:51:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Official kiss cringe day pls
2021-03-19T21:51:33 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Add my user to tty is fine?
2021-03-19T21:51:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> why don't you try it and find out
2021-03-19T21:51:57 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I see it in gentoo once and ereryone says is not a good idea
2021-03-19T21:52:39 #kisslinux <ilyht> what do oyu guys think of the cosmopolitan libc
2021-03-19T21:53:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> There's S keybind in newsboat to dump blog post. Super convinient
2021-03-19T21:53:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Never heard
2021-03-19T21:54:32 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/convinient/convenient/
2021-03-19T21:55:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> In case you questioning Rust here's the link for you ilyht https://0x0.st/-N6e.txt
2021-03-19T21:57:22 #kisslinux <ilyht> oh
2021-03-19T21:57:24 #kisslinux <ilyht> thanks
2021-03-19T21:58:13 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah tty works
2021-03-19T21:58:15 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Tks
2021-03-19T21:58:16 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Turns out there's one more take on Rust by Drew
2021-03-19T22:01:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> There's so many good posts. I need one day to read everything he wrote
2021-03-19T22:10:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> So its possible to format RSS pages in man-like format by just simply downloading them in newsboat. That's interesting. I wonder if I could integrate that with sfeed somehow
2021-03-19T22:11:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Of course I could just dump and format from html page itself but I wonder how newsboat does this by itself