2021-03-22T00:07:51 #kisslinux <jslick> shoulda got a 3950X :P
2021-03-22T00:08:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> shoulda got a pair of xeons
2021-03-22T00:16:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again we all know you need a cray to even consider running KISS
2021-03-22T00:20:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> :'(
2021-03-22T00:20:56 #kisslinux <dilynm> Llvm builds hella quick tho
2021-03-22T00:21:08 #kisslinux <dilynm> Twenty minute builds. Finally.
2021-03-22T00:21:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o_o twenty minutes?
2021-03-22T00:23:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> now I have to build llvm and time it
2021-03-22T00:23:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> purely to flex on dilyn
2021-03-22T00:24:35 #kisslinux <jslick> qlop says 29min on my Ryzen 1600 with -j12
2021-03-22T00:25:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I must destroy the AMD user, for honor of Intel tribe
2021-03-22T00:25:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> I didn't actually time it but it was blazin
2021-03-22T00:25:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> God this is such an upgrade from my macbook xD
2021-03-22T00:25:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm guessing I'll be around five
2021-03-22T00:25:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> er, five minutes
2021-03-22T00:26:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> Maybe I should get the ball rolling on proper binary builds so my macbook can run KISS just as quick xD
2021-03-22T00:27:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if megacorps like m$, google, and mozilla would have brainstormed how to extinguish the vibrant OSS community, they couldnt have come up with a smarter idea than microdependencies and rust
2021-03-22T00:28:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> pozilla isn't a megacorp lmao
2021-03-22T00:28:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're hemmorhaging money and have what, 250 employees?
2021-03-22T00:29:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and dropping
2021-03-22T00:29:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> aren't they worth > $1B
2021-03-22T00:29:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao what? are they?
2021-03-22T00:29:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> iirc they make $500 annually with their google-tracking builtins
2021-03-22T00:29:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah they're not even close to a billion
2021-03-22T00:29:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> $500m*
2021-03-22T00:29:50 #kisslinux <dilynm> Haven't you heard? You don't need to make a profit ever to be worth literal billions
2021-03-22T00:29:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> shillpedia says they're worth 89.9USD
2021-03-22T00:29:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> billion
2021-03-22T00:29:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> See: uber, amazon, netflix
2021-03-22T00:30:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-03-22T00:30:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> million
2021-03-22T00:30:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't even right now
2021-03-22T00:30:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> hold me dilyn
2021-03-22T00:30:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm having a mental breakdown
2021-03-22T00:30:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> downwards spiral time
2021-03-22T00:30:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway yeah they're not even 90M$ USD
2021-03-22T00:30:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> The key is realizing that you only pay taxes on profits. So if you just sink all your money into salaries, R&D, and advertising, you won't profit
2021-03-22T00:30:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> however they apparently have 750 employees
2021-03-22T00:31:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> something tells me that anything beyond break-even is considered "profit" including salaries and shit
2021-03-22T00:31:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I didn't study actual laws in my law class
2021-03-22T00:31:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> when we look back at the past, m$ tried to sabotage the C language in various ways
2021-03-22T00:31:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i studied 2-300 year old laws put in place by the britbongs
2021-03-22T00:32:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they probably figured it's the main reason for linux success
2021-03-22T00:32:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> canadian education
2021-03-22T00:32:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> also what?
2021-03-22T00:32:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> M$ isn't that stupid
2021-03-22T00:32:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> sh4rm4^bnc: you could say the same thing about gnu
2021-03-22T00:32:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> also, C responsible for linux's success? what?
2021-03-22T00:32:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> gnu produced a super fast C compiler, how are they sabotaging the language
2021-03-22T00:32:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> the main reason for linux's success is the "bazaar" development style
2021-03-22T00:32:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-03-22T00:32:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least according to ESR's halloween docs
2021-03-22T00:32:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the court records from the antitrust suit
2021-03-22T00:33:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides, they didn't even acknowledge linux as a competitor until what
2021-03-22T00:33:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> 2001?
2021-03-22T00:33:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> sh4rm4^bnc: gnu's crazy extensions to C
2021-03-22T00:33:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> 10 years ago the linux ecosystem was pretty much everything written in C
2021-03-22T00:33:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >10 years ago
2021-03-22T00:33:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2021-03-22T00:33:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> r u sure about that
2021-03-22T00:33:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> like what are you saying
2021-03-22T00:33:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> nah, i started with sabotage linux exactly 10 years ago
2021-03-22T00:34:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> people didn't start using python and ruby and shit a couple years back
2021-03-22T00:34:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's like
2021-03-22T00:34:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> A Thing:tm:
2021-03-22T00:34:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yes but that stuff was irrelevant for a desktop system
2021-03-22T00:34:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you wouldnt program a window manager in ruby
2021-03-22T00:34:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> unless you're crazy
2021-03-22T00:35:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> you wouldn't program a window manager in haskell!!111!1!!!1!!
2021-03-22T00:35:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> in case you haven't noticed most gahnoo loonix users are mentally deficient in some capacity
2021-03-22T00:35:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> not exactly "normal"
2021-03-22T00:35:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well yeah, you do it if you want to fragment the ecosystem
2021-03-22T00:35:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...no?
2021-03-22T00:36:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> some obscure hipster window manager written in hiplang isn't going to fracture muh ecosystem
2021-03-22T00:36:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> Officially rebuilt everything, I think. Time to build this kernel, reboot, and pray
2021-03-22T00:37:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> god, I made way too much food tonight
2021-03-22T00:37:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> those chickpeas were *really* filling
2021-03-22T00:41:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay llvm just finished
2021-03-22T00:41:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> kernel built in 1minute 34 seconds
2021-03-22T00:41:21 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm having a stroke
2021-03-22T00:41:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> seventeen and a half minutes from start to finish, including grabbing sources and everything, at -j46
2021-03-22T00:42:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> jeez, half of windows is in C and C++
2021-03-22T00:42:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> how much do you want to bet is from windows 1.0
2021-03-22T00:43:36 #kisslinux <dilynm> So fast mid :o
2021-03-22T00:44:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> get fucced macboi
2021-03-22T00:46:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wow that message was sent late
2021-03-22T00:46:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> my internet had dropped
2021-03-22T00:48:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> It boots!
2021-03-22T00:48:18 #kisslinux <dilynm> I can launch hikari!
2021-03-22T00:48:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> >waylet
2021-03-22T00:48:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> Granted, my mouse doesn't work and my keyboard also doesn't work...
2021-03-22T00:48:31 #kisslinux <dilynm> But it works!
2021-03-22T00:49:54 #kisslinux <jslick> lol no wonder the kernel built in a minute and a half.  You got a fine server there
2021-03-22T00:51:21 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> <dilynm "kernel built in 1minute 34 secon"> is that cos you've literally taken everything out or is your hardware that fantastic
2021-03-22T00:51:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> Both
2021-03-22T00:52:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> sexy
2021-03-22T00:52:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> 913 built-in things in my .config, I've gotten it as low as ~730 before...
2021-03-22T00:52:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> But it's mostly the hardware haha
2021-03-22T00:52:56 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> do you start with nothing and add what you need?
2021-03-22T00:53:23 #kisslinux <dilynm> Nah that's chaos lmao. I just widdles it down, starting with the device drivers
2021-03-22T00:53:41 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> ah nice
2021-03-22T00:53:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> From device drivers I basically disabled everything except NVME support, usb storage, and the keyboard and mouse for my macbook, and then went from there
2021-03-22T00:54:24 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> I need to be more confident when getting rid of stuff lol
2021-03-22T00:54:43 #kisslinux <mintfrog> how do you log in to a registered name
2021-03-22T00:55:05 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> msg NickServ
2021-03-22T00:55:27 #kisslinux <mintfrog> Just say "i don't know" next time
2021-03-22T00:56:01 #kisslinux <jslick> /msg NickServ identify hunter2
2021-03-22T00:56:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow how did you know my password jslick
2021-03-22T00:56:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> my configs always seem to build a load of graphics crud no matter what
2021-03-22T00:56:34 #kisslinux <jslick> midfavila found it from the logs
2021-03-22T00:56:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> what a hacker
2021-03-22T00:58:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> im surprised you didnt chose the more security minded 1234
2021-03-22T00:58:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's on my luggage
2021-03-22T00:59:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> From an arch live USB, lspci -kkk | grep -A1 'Kernel driver in use' is a godsend for cutting cruft, dyi
2021-03-22T01:11:07 #kisslinux <dilynm> Efi is amazing. No longer do I need efibootmgr; my uefi implementation can find efi images just fine itself
2021-03-22T01:12:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> >EFI
2021-03-22T01:12:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> more like smh
2021-03-22T01:15:03 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lel
2021-03-22T01:38:29 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hmm. I haven't troubleshot input issues in so long...
2021-03-22T01:49:06 #kisslinux <dilynm> Ah! It's an mdevd issue :v
2021-03-22T01:56:41 #kisslinux <acheam> mini rant: "yet another xyz" is the stupidest name for a project ever
2021-03-22T01:56:46 #kisslinux <acheam> and its so overused
2021-03-22T01:56:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yaa
2021-03-22T01:57:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> yet another acheam
2021-03-22T01:57:20 #kisslinux <acheam> you can't replace me
2021-03-22T01:57:24 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm an institution
2021-03-22T01:58:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything can be replaced with enough metal and oxyacetylene
2021-03-22T01:58:20 #kisslinux <acheam> I shall cut off your supply chains!
2021-03-22T01:58:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll just kick you in the throat then
2021-03-22T01:58:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> simple solution
2021-03-22T01:58:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> foot of red hat
2021-03-22T01:59:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> I ironically refer to many things as Yet Another Shitty Thing
2021-03-22T01:59:21 #kisslinux <dilynm> Bite me yast
2021-03-22T01:59:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but based CentOS!
2021-03-22T01:59:49 #kisslinux <acheam> wow lookie me, a centralized settings menu
2021-03-22T02:00:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> silence, yaa
2021-03-22T02:00:09 #kisslinux <acheam> if only a directory on the file system existed with exactly that!
2021-03-22T02:00:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, /etc
2021-03-22T02:00:23 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-03-22T02:00:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> xdglets get the FUCK out
2021-03-22T02:00:54 #kisslinux <acheam> don't you mean ~/.local/etc?
2021-03-22T02:00:57 #kisslinux <acheam> or /usr/share/etc?
2021-03-22T02:01:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> did I stutter
2021-03-22T02:01:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ?
2021-03-22T02:01:19 #kisslinux <acheam> my system actually has a /usr/etc and it makes me want to puke
2021-03-22T02:01:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> $HOME/ ?
2021-03-22T02:01:31 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/GrWEivj.png
2021-03-22T02:02:14 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-03-22T02:02:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't see my song of the day
2021-03-22T02:02:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:C
2021-03-22T02:02:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> should be cringe of the day
2021-03-22T02:02:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> re wotd
2021-03-22T02:03:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> so clever
2021-03-22T02:04:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lmao
2021-03-22T02:25:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey acheam have I mentioned my bayonet yet today
2021-03-22T02:26:55 #kisslinux <dilynm> Now let's time chromium...
2021-03-22T02:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I really need to get around to packing a source build of nuegia browser in my repo...
2021-03-22T02:27:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> but, that's like, effort, man
2021-03-22T02:31:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> Holy duck this building is flying by
2021-03-22T02:31:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> I will never be able to read the output of cc ever again
2021-03-22T02:31:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> who would have guessed that not using a laptop makes working on stuff easier
2021-03-22T02:31:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-03-22T02:31:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> :thinking:
2021-03-22T02:31:49 #kisslinux <dilynm> I don't buy it
2021-03-22T02:32:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> Kek
2021-03-22T02:32:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk man full-size keyboard, multimonitor and a real pointing device makes a world of difference
2021-03-22T02:32:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> ignoring the not-shit hardware inside the machine itself
2021-03-22T02:32:40 #kisslinux <dilynm> Python error; "thread.error: can't start new thread"
2021-03-22T02:32:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-03-22T02:32:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> check your PIDs
2021-03-22T02:32:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> you might have run out
2021-03-22T02:33:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's A Thing:tm:
2021-03-22T02:33:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> ask how I know
2021-03-22T02:34:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lmao I doubt I would've run out...
2021-03-22T02:34:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> sysmgr makes it very easy to run out of PID
2021-03-22T02:34:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/PID/PIDs
2021-03-22T02:34:47 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> sysmgr makes it very easy to run out of PIDs
2021-03-22T02:34:50 #kisslinux <dilynm> Oh jeez what's the max?!
2021-03-22T02:34:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> depends on your ulimit
2021-03-22T02:35:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah but I don't use sysmgr
2021-03-22T02:35:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> Default
2021-03-22T02:35:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> idfk about the defaults man
2021-03-22T02:35:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2021-03-22T02:35:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> something like 32k i think
2021-03-22T02:35:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk
2021-03-22T02:35:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop assuming I know what I'm talking about
2021-03-22T02:35:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> what do you think I am? a certified professional?
2021-03-22T02:35:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck no
2021-03-22T02:35:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway tl;dr run ps
2021-03-22T02:35:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah I thought as much
2021-03-22T02:35:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it has to take a second to print out the number of running processes
2021-03-22T02:35:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> you probably have too many processes
2021-03-22T02:36:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> We hit 32.4k soooooo
2021-03-22T02:36:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah just reboot
2021-03-22T02:36:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> using hardware
2021-03-22T02:36:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> :P
2021-03-22T02:36:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> you probably won't be able to use an actual script to shut down
2021-03-22T02:36:25 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wonder how that happened tho
2021-03-22T02:36:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you respawning any daemons
2021-03-22T02:37:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> because if you're a brainlet and don't handle that properly it'll spawn an infinite number of daemons
2021-03-22T02:37:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you will very quickly run out of PIDs
2021-03-22T02:37:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> OH SHIT
2021-03-22T02:37:16 #kisslinux <dilynm> I might be
2021-03-22T02:37:18 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wow fuck
2021-03-22T02:37:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> check /etc/inittab or however you manage services
2021-03-22T02:37:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is one of those esoteric pieces of knowledge that manifests itself spontaneously once you reach a certain level of autism
2021-03-22T02:37:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> you'll get there some day kiddo
2021-03-22T02:37:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah I had failed to swap all of my s6-rc scripts over so mdev is probably just respawning a bajillion times
2021-03-22T02:38:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> I knew this problem existed xD
2021-03-22T02:38:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> call me first tier tech support and pay me minimum wage
2021-03-22T02:38:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> get fucked linux+
2021-03-22T02:38:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what, I could probably put my linux experience on my resume
2021-03-22T02:38:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-22T02:39:29 #kisslinux <dilynm> Probably
2021-03-22T02:39:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> "yeah uh I have six years of experience using Linux systems on the daily in the role of system administrator, and experience in server, workstation and embedded environments across multiple ecosystems and architectures."
2021-03-22T02:39:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> "gibs me a job."
2021-03-22T02:39:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> Only problem is nobody in HR would know wtf it all means
2021-03-22T02:39:43 #kisslinux <dilynm> So it wouldn't matter
2021-03-22T02:39:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> who gives a shit about HR
2021-03-22T02:39:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only way to get a decent job in $YEAR is nepotism
2021-03-22T02:39:55 #kisslinux <dilynm> They read the resumes usually dog
2021-03-22T02:40:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> just go break into the local power grid
2021-03-22T02:40:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sure your power co would hire you after they threaten you with a lawsuit
2021-03-22T02:40:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're pretty desperate for tech people, at least in my area
2021-03-22T02:41:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> and by "desperate" their bare requirements for accepting you into their training program is "can you read" and "do you know what computers are"
2021-03-22T02:41:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> Would not accept a job where my boss knows so little
2021-03-22T02:41:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> Noty
2021-03-22T02:41:35 #kisslinux <dilynm> I would end up doing my job AND his. Nah fam
2021-03-22T02:41:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> your boss doesn't have to be competent in your field imho
2021-03-22T02:41:50 #kisslinux <dilynm> :|
2021-03-22T02:41:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hard disagree
2021-03-22T02:42:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> not saying that they can be total dipshits
2021-03-22T02:42:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, they have to know the basics
2021-03-22T02:42:09 #kisslinux <dilynm> My best job was when my boss was just as competent as I was, and I was the expert
2021-03-22T02:42:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I think a good manager is someone who's better with people and learning as they go than a turbo-autistic specialist
2021-03-22T02:42:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> turbo-autists are the sysops and shit
2021-03-22T02:42:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> t. turbo-autist
2021-03-22T02:43:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> Every other job, my boss has been not nearly as in-the-kmow as me, and it made coordination, understanding needs, and service abysmal
2021-03-22T02:43:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> see that's a problem
2021-03-22T02:43:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> they should know enough to know that you know how to do your job
2021-03-22T02:43:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> and to promptly fuck off unless something is on fire
2021-03-22T02:44:05 #kisslinux <dilynm> You're going to be so sad :'(
2021-03-22T02:44:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm already sad
2021-03-22T02:44:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's depressing out here mid. Never graduate
2021-03-22T02:44:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> F
2021-03-22T02:44:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> thinking about how awful the world in general is makes me want to unironically kms most days
2021-03-22T02:44:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i live under multiple layers of irony as a coping mechanism
2021-03-22T02:45:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something clown world amiriteguise
2021-03-22T02:45:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk man I just want a comfy sysadmin job where the most annoying thing I have to do is rewrite perl scripts
2021-03-22T02:45:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> and like, fix printers
2021-03-22T02:46:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> people suck and dealing with them sucks even more
2021-03-22T02:47:06 #kisslinux <dilynm> 25% done
2021-03-22T02:47:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> Max temp... 75. Hit diggity fuck
2021-03-22T02:47:26 #kisslinux <dilynm> Bruh life is rough
2021-03-22T02:47:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> yikes sweaty
2021-03-22T02:47:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> get you some noctua
2021-03-22T02:47:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> I want a sysadmin job but here I am crying myself to sleep over my 1% raise even though I'm dabes
2021-03-22T02:48:08 #kisslinux <dilynm> Getting a custom hard tubing loop later this year
2021-03-22T02:48:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> 480 rad
2021-03-22T02:48:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> Fight me mid
2021-03-22T02:48:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe it's naive of me but I don't care about collecting all the zeroes
2021-03-22T02:48:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> also fuck you air cooling is better price-to-performance
2021-03-22T02:48:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> I only want it because kids are expensive and my girlfriend wants hella kids
2021-03-22T02:48:50 #kisslinux <dilynm> Air is trash. I would know, I breathe it
2021-03-22T02:48:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> see I just want to build a tiny little house running off-grid
2021-03-22T02:48:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> and just like
2021-03-22T02:48:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> sit there
2021-03-22T02:48:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> by myself
2021-03-22T02:48:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> until I die
2021-03-22T02:49:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> #basedhermitlifestyle
2021-03-22T02:49:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> ultimately I'd like to have passive cooling with thermal pads instead of paste
2021-03-22T02:49:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but passive coolers are hilariously expensive, as are thermal pads
2021-03-22T02:50:05 #kisslinux <dilynm> And hilariously impractical
2021-03-22T02:50:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> not really
2021-03-22T02:50:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i could easily cool my system with pads and heatsinks
2021-03-22T02:50:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's running dual ~120W TDP CPUs
2021-03-22T02:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> the solution is plonking about five pounds of aluminum or copper directly onto your processor
2021-03-22T02:51:13 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: well, now you have!
2021-03-22T02:51:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> now I have what
2021-03-22T02:51:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> pls be patient i am with the autisms
2021-03-22T02:52:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually wait hold that thought
2021-03-22T02:52:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to be with the fifth cup of tea for the day
2021-03-22T02:54:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay you can stop holding that thought
2021-03-22T02:55:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh wait bayonet thing
2021-03-22T02:55:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> right
2021-03-22T03:02:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> Halfway done
2021-03-22T03:02:35 #kisslinux <dilynm> f u c k
2021-03-22T03:02:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> I have lost days of my life to this fucking macbook
2021-03-22T03:03:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> what'd I tell you time and again dilyn
2021-03-22T03:03:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> "gates tribe bad"
2021-03-22T03:03:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you never listened
2021-03-22T03:03:35 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2021-03-22T03:03:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> persistent in your dogma
2021-03-22T03:03:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> you continued to hate me, for I told you the one thing you could not handle
2021-03-22T03:03:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> the truth
2021-03-22T03:04:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and now, you are cursed to suffer forevermore from a lack of PIDs
2021-03-22T03:05:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos
2021-03-22T03:05:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> just remember. it's all about the pentiums baby
2021-03-22T03:11:06 #kisslinux <travankor> dafuq is /usr/etc
2021-03-22T03:11:32 #kisslinux <travankor> smh bsdbrainlets
2021-03-22T03:11:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> a crime worthy of death by iron maiden
2021-03-22T03:44:57 #kisslinux <acheam> travankor: archbrainlet
2021-03-22T03:45:07 #kisslinux <acheam> its an actual directory on my arch box
2021-03-22T03:45:28 #kisslinux <acheam> ALTHOUGH it is for a program originally written for obsd
2021-03-22T03:45:31 #kisslinux <acheam> so...
2021-03-22T03:46:17 #kisslinux <travankor> but pacman creates that directory only when you install that specific package
2021-03-22T03:46:25 #kisslinux <acheam> Think so
2021-03-22T03:46:38 #kisslinux <acheam> there's only one file in it
2021-03-22T03:46:44 #kisslinux <acheam> so wouldn't make sense for it to be in the base layout
2021-03-22T03:49:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh
2021-03-22T03:49:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I hate the fact that the workshops in my city are all clooooooooooosed
2021-03-22T03:50:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> how am I supposed to build cheap, durable furniture without tools and materials
2021-03-22T04:01:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-22T04:03:41 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-03-22T04:03:45 #kisslinux <acheam> you're late today!
2021-03-22T04:05:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> after using my mouse left-handed for so long, switching back to right-handed use feels wrong
2021-03-22T04:25:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to find this old article I came across once that detailed per-application mixing with ALSA
2021-03-22T04:25:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm getting really sick of people saying that ALSA isn't capable of such things.
2021-03-22T04:26:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit there are even people who believe ALSA can't handle multiple sources of playback at once
2021-03-22T04:26:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's ridiculous
2021-03-22T04:45:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's almost like alsa has notoriously abysmal documentation and poor coding practices so it's basically impossible to divine what these eldritch horrors of programmers meant by anything
2021-03-22T04:47:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and so, instead of fixing the problem (documentation), we've written at least five different sound servers
2021-03-22T04:48:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> let's plonk stuff on top of the ugliness and Abstract It:tm:
2021-03-22T04:48:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> no tank you
2021-03-22T04:49:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200925#c5226572
2021-03-22T04:49:55 #kisslinux <dilynm> Somebody wrote it
2021-03-22T04:51:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay cool so what's the problem
2021-03-22T04:51:48 #kisslinux * dilynm shrugs
2021-03-22T04:52:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just salty over the fact that seamonkey doesn't do gtk2 or alsa any more
2021-03-22T04:52:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...jackasses... :|
2021-03-22T04:55:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> god the more I think about the state of web browsers the angrier I get
2021-03-22T04:55:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> sometimes I wish I could just be an Edgium normie
2021-03-22T05:00:37 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's not too late
2021-03-22T05:00:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's far too late dilyn
2021-03-22T05:00:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you realize how ridiculous my obsession with browsers is at this point?
2021-03-22T05:01:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wrote an entire shell framework for the sole purpose of avoiding a proper browser on my laptop
2021-03-22T05:01:09 #kisslinux <dilynm> I don't want think about it
2021-03-22T05:01:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> that uses stdout and multiple shell scripts to automatically open content in native applications
2021-03-22T05:01:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and stores bookmarks and shit in plaintext that's independent of any browser
2021-03-22T05:02:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly if I could have a "graphical mode" for Lynx then I'd happily replace Links with it
2021-03-22T05:02:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> as zippy as links is, its css handling is, uh
2021-03-22T05:02:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> well it doesn't exist
2021-03-22T05:02:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> like at all
2021-03-22T05:04:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so
2021-03-22T05:04:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> tree style tabs are an interesting concept
2021-03-22T05:04:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> but awful execution
2021-03-22T05:04:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> 0/10 would not install again
2021-03-22T05:16:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-03-22T05:17:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm kind of tempted to replace my router with a small, dedicated machine
2021-03-22T05:17:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> just like, using regular off-the-shelf components
2021-03-22T05:17:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> running regular linux
2021-03-22T05:33:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> jesus, I just realized that I'm using almost half a gig of RAM on DNS blocking alone
2021-03-22T05:44:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh hey, looks like RMS will be returning to the FSF as a member of the board of directors
2021-03-22T05:44:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://techrights.org/2021/03/21/richard-stallman-is-coming-back-to-the-board-of-the-free-software-foundation-founded-by-himself-35-years-ago/
2021-03-22T05:44:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> very cool stallman
2021-03-22T06:27:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait a second
2021-03-22T06:27:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just had a megamind moment
2021-03-22T06:28:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> Why am I freaking about what to put in my caddies and 5.25" bays when I can just hook up peripherals to my router and use them over the network on any machine?
2021-03-22T06:28:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> how did I never consider this before
2021-03-22T07:48:14 #kisslinux <travankor> wow great news
2021-03-22T07:48:48 #kisslinux <travankor> selam g must be seething
2021-03-22T13:09:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila https://www.startech.com/en-us/networking-io/ps2utpext if they're ps/2
2021-03-22T13:56:31 #kisslinux <acheam> startech strikes again
2021-03-22T14:39:28 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Talk that touches a bit of everything about keyboards https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=1voFAri6RG0
2021-03-22T15:55:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> new firefox 87 segfaults with the no gtk2 patch
2021-03-22T15:55:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lot of stuff was changed here which is probably the cause https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/commits/master/dom/plugins/base/nsPluginInstanceOwner.cpp
2021-03-22T15:56:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so i guess gtk2 will need to be re added unless someone is interested in fixing
2021-03-22T15:56:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: ^
2021-03-22T15:56:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> rip
2021-03-22T15:57:00 #kisslinux <acheam> ouch
2021-03-22T15:57:18 #kisslinux <acheam> mozilla, why did you take away our ability to embed gecko?
2021-03-22T15:57:28 #kisslinux <acheam> we'd have such a damn good browser
2021-03-22T15:57:45 #kisslinux <acheam> no no-gtk2 patch needed
2021-03-22T15:58:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/changed/removed
2021-03-22T16:01:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> the year is 2021
2021-03-22T16:01:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> despite the release of GTK4, people still need GTK2
2021-03-22T16:02:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> is this the last hope of the rebellion? will we take control away from Red Hat?
2021-03-22T16:02:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> tune in next time to find out on... kiss linux z
2021-03-22T16:02:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> cue roundabout
2021-03-22T16:03:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> inb4 we need gtk4, 3 and 2 to build ff
2021-03-22T16:03:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean it's probably gonna be a thing
2021-03-22T16:08:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I kind of wish my e-reader was a little smaller
2021-03-22T16:08:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean it's already tiny, just a little five inch model
2021-03-22T16:08:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if it was maybe four inches, or even four and a half, I'd be able to store it in my wallet
2021-03-22T16:08:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> how cool would that be?
2021-03-22T16:10:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> very
2021-03-22T16:10:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only thing that would be cooler is if it had a slot for a microSD
2021-03-22T16:11:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also if I didn't have to fuck with its internal sqlite database to bypass the account creation screen
2021-03-22T16:21:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hi guys
2021-03-22T16:21:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Anyone knows how can i get sound from the chroot program?
2021-03-22T16:51:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-qZ3.png
2021-03-22T16:51:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> BSDlets absolutely fucking DESTROYED
2021-03-22T16:51:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> what say you now, dilyn
2021-03-22T17:13:52 #kisslinux <Guest1137> hi
2021-03-22T17:28:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> >be me
2021-03-22T17:28:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> >watching serenityOS devlog, v comfy
2021-03-22T17:29:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> >notice that I've somehow used over 20GB of RAM idling, fuck around with top, figure out it's all cached
2021-03-22T17:29:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> how the fuck do you manage cache
2021-03-22T17:29:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> . -.
2021-03-22T17:42:16 #kisslinux <chaffity> acheam: Have you checked out Servo at all?
2021-03-22T17:44:23 #kisslinux <chaffity> (if you're looking for an embeddable browser)
2021-03-22T17:45:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want embedded you can use something like dillo or netsurf. i've never heard of servo, will have to look
2021-03-22T17:45:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> >rust
2021-03-22T17:45:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope
2021-03-22T17:46:19 #kisslinux <chaffity> Just that is looks like for embeddable, that's all Mozilla is going to invest in going forward
2021-03-22T17:47:43 #kisslinux <chaffity> I think a bunch of the heavy lifting done by Firefox uses code from that project
2021-03-22T17:48:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay side note
2021-03-22T17:48:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you ever have multiple gigs of data to transfer
2021-03-22T17:48:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> compress your goddamned tarballs
2021-03-22T17:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> that is all
2021-03-22T17:48:57 #kisslinux <acheam> a couple thing: 1) rust. Not that its a deal breaker, but its not ideal. 2) Mozilla laid off most of the Servo staff IIRC, and its with the Linux Foundation now (super commercial, fully influenced by Google, Microshit, etc) 3) I don't think its ready yet, and honestly probably never will be
2021-03-22T17:49:01 #kisslinux <acheam> chaffity: ^
2021-03-22T17:49:16 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: what do you mean? .tar iS cOmPrEsSiOn
2021-03-22T17:49:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> if any of you say that unironically I'm going to rip out your teeth and use your sinew to make a necklace
2021-03-22T17:49:41 #kisslinux <acheam> you do know that the .gz and .xz are optional, and only put there by legacy programs, right?
2021-03-22T17:50:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh damn
2021-03-22T17:50:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> serenityOS now has scheme
2021-03-22T17:50:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> very based
2021-03-22T17:50:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah like
2021-03-22T17:50:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I have to take a billion years to extract your archive anyway
2021-03-22T17:50:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least make it so I don't have to leave my machine downloading your archive overnight
2021-03-22T17:51:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> geez, untarring a 35GB file destroyed my memory
2021-03-22T17:51:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I should upgrade again... h m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
2021-03-22T17:52:50 #kisslinux <acheam> what you couldnt just put it all into a ramdisk?
2021-03-22T17:52:59 #kisslinux <chaffity> acheam: The Linux Foundation notice a while ago did raise alarm bells for me,
2021-03-22T17:53:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> the Linux Foundation raises many alarms
2021-03-22T17:53:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, I don't have that many gigglebits of dedicated wams acheam
2021-03-22T17:53:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> 32gb pleb
2021-03-22T17:53:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but soon I will ascend to 64gb chadhood
2021-03-22T17:54:19 #kisslinux <chaffity> Oh lawd he comin'
2021-03-22T17:54:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just realized that my machine is technically capable of having more memory than disk space
2021-03-22T17:54:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> server boards are trippy
2021-03-22T17:55:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't think I need 1.5TB of wams
2021-03-22T17:55:29 #kisslinux <jslick> There's https://github.com/lexborisov/Modest but I think it's abandoned.  But you can fork it and finish it
2021-03-22T17:55:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Are we gonna make our own browser? . o.
2021-03-22T17:56:11 #kisslinux <chaffity> Don't bait me
2021-03-22T17:56:56 #kisslinux <acheam> jslick: unfortunately HTML rendering is a tiny part of the modern web environment
2021-03-22T17:57:02 #kisslinux <acheam> but this is a good looking project
2021-03-22T17:57:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to make a "full featured" browser in today's world...
2021-03-22T17:57:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I hope you have multiple degrees and a few decades' worth of time to spend playing catchup
2021-03-22T17:57:58 #kisslinux <jslick> yeah, k1ssweb
2021-03-22T17:58:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I think it would be cool if "KISS" became more of an organizational umbrella
2021-03-22T17:58:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> with different projects
2021-03-22T17:58:32 #kisslinux <chaffity> As soon as I can wave goodbye to needing GL and other heavy browser features, I'd love to scale back and invest some time into something simpler
2021-03-22T17:58:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but do you *really* need webGL
2021-03-22T17:58:55 #kisslinux <chaffity> Gopher is calling me home
2021-03-22T17:58:59 #kisslinux <chaffity> I do,
2021-03-22T17:59:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've only ever come across a single site that actually used webGL
2021-03-22T18:00:04 #kisslinux <chaffity> It can be beautiful, it can also be a pit of horror
2021-03-22T18:00:23 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah that'd be cool, mid
2021-03-22T18:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> we can be just like soyless
2021-03-22T18:00:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> what should we name our email server
2021-03-22T18:01:05 #kisslinux <acheam> heres all I need: a simple, non-chromium, embeddable browser engine
2021-03-22T18:01:14 #kisslinux <acheam> servo hits all of those but simple
2021-03-22T18:01:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> links
2021-03-22T18:01:44 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr, add javacscript to that list
2021-03-22T18:01:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> elinks
2021-03-22T18:02:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if you were building a browser
2021-03-22T18:02:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> why not use an independent javascript interpreter?
2021-03-22T18:02:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, say, quickjs
2021-03-22T18:02:23 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr, add secure/maintained to that list
2021-03-22T18:02:31 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah that works
2021-03-22T18:02:34 #kisslinux <chaffity> Trouble is though, the web is just far too complex
2021-03-22T18:02:38 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, servo and elinks just uses seamonkey
2021-03-22T18:02:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-03-22T18:02:45 #kisslinux <acheam> s/seamonkey/spidermonkey
2021-03-22T18:02:46 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> i mean, servo and elinks just uses spidermonkey
2021-03-22T18:02:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> you either want simple or you want feature complete
2021-03-22T18:02:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i know i know
2021-03-22T18:03:08 #kisslinux <jslick> quickjs is a good implementation, but it's just a js implementation, like v8.  You'd still have to write the DOM apis for it
2021-03-22T18:03:14 #kisslinux <acheam> I want as simple as possible with the modern web
2021-03-22T18:03:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think there's definitely a niche for a browser somewhere between pale meme and netsurf though
2021-03-22T18:03:24 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-03-22T18:03:41 #kisslinux <acheam> it needs stuff like javascript, but not web assembly, webrtc, etc
2021-03-22T18:03:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> nod
2021-03-22T18:03:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> the bare minimum
2021-03-22T18:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also you should totally decouple the core from the GUI
2021-03-22T18:04:08 #kisslinux <acheam> yes!
2021-03-22T18:04:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be v cool
2021-03-22T18:04:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> because then I can be autistic and write a xaw frontend
2021-03-22T18:04:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> where we're going we don't need tabs
2021-03-22T18:05:05 #kisslinux <acheam> `tabbed`
2021-03-22T18:05:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean yes
2021-03-22T18:05:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> unironically support xembed
2021-03-22T18:05:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-22T18:05:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> if this does end up being a thing
2021-03-22T18:05:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ALLOW USERS TO PIPE COMMANDS TO STDOUT
2021-03-22T18:05:34 #kisslinux <acheam> I do wonder how usable servo is
2021-03-22T18:05:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't TELL you how many times I wish I could use axel or curl to manipulate resources from within the browser
2021-03-22T18:05:56 #kisslinux <acheam> its not ideal, but theres no way we can write our own browser engine lol
2021-03-22T18:06:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah
2021-03-22T18:06:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> no offense to anyone here but I don't think there are {m}any expert programmers
2021-03-22T18:06:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus it'd be a small team
2021-03-22T18:06:59 #kisslinux <chaffity> I was wondering the other day how doable it would be to patch out unwanted features from Firefox, and build a super slimmed down version
2021-03-22T18:07:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh
2021-03-22T18:07:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i personally wouldn't envy the person doing that
2021-03-22T18:07:27 #kisslinux <chaffity> Exactly
2021-03-22T18:07:33 #kisslinux <chaffity> I stopped at the wondering part
2021-03-22T18:07:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> what would be ideal, I think
2021-03-22T18:08:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> is if the seamonkey component of the seamonkey suite could be extracted
2021-03-22T18:08:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and used on its own
2021-03-22T18:08:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also with gtk2 and alsa instead of 3 and pulseaudio
2021-03-22T18:08:58 #kisslinux <acheam> ew servo requires python2
2021-03-22T18:09:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> python2 and rust?
2021-03-22T18:09:25 #kisslinux <acheam> whyyy
2021-03-22T18:09:27 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-03-22T18:09:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> how unbased can one project be
2021-03-22T18:09:49 #kisslinux <chaffity> Has anybody bedded down with Surf?
2021-03-22T18:09:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> surf is dogshit
2021-03-22T18:09:57 #kisslinux <acheam> okay how about webkit?
2021-03-22T18:10:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-03-22T18:10:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-03-22T18:10:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-03-22T18:10:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-03-22T18:10:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-03-22T18:10:02 #kisslinux <acheam> or webshit as some would say
2021-03-22T18:10:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> NO
2021-03-22T18:10:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> a hundred thousand times no
2021-03-22T18:10:18 #kisslinux <acheam> why not?
2021-03-22T18:10:19 #kisslinux <chaffity> I had a feeling that would have been the reaction
2021-03-22T18:10:29 #kisslinux <acheam> as did I
2021-03-22T18:10:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you SEEN the resource usage of webkit???
2021-03-22T18:10:42 #kisslinux <acheam> its not pretty
2021-03-22T18:10:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> for a while I used Lariza, which is basically Surf with a minimal GUI
2021-03-22T18:10:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> 100MB of memory, per tab, on a BLANK PAGE
2021-03-22T18:10:52 #kisslinux <acheam> but its not *terrible*
2021-03-22T18:10:55 #kisslinux <chaffity> WebKit2 with Surf isn't _too_ bad
2021-03-22T18:10:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, it's not terrible
2021-03-22T18:10:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's fucking horrendous
2021-03-22T18:11:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you know the average memory of Pale Meme?
2021-03-22T18:11:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> about 200mb, even with multiple tabs with images and shit
2021-03-22T18:11:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i should know, I'm hilariously autistic about this
2021-03-22T18:11:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> webkit exceeds that with two goddamn tabs
2021-03-22T18:11:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus, you need all the gstreamer garbage for in-browser media
2021-03-22T18:11:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it requires gtk3
2021-03-22T18:12:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> and sometimes webkit browsers just break for no reason
2021-03-22T18:12:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus, they don't handle extensions
2021-03-22T18:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> the JS interpreter is meh at best
2021-03-22T18:12:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's slow as shit
2021-03-22T18:12:51 #kisslinux <chaffity> The gstreamer stuff was the killer for me
2021-03-22T18:12:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> sometimes the elements inside webpages don't obey system theming
2021-03-22T18:13:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> I could go on and on and on and on
2021-03-22T18:13:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> the built-in devtools are awful
2021-03-22T18:13:29 #kisslinux <chaffity> I couldn't even get them to run
2021-03-22T18:13:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> the SSL support is meh and doesn't allow you to override it if it fails
2021-03-22T18:14:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus there's the fact that apple is one of if not the main driving force of webkit
2021-03-22T18:14:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think we should be relying on stuff from huge corporations
2021-03-22T18:14:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and don't you need llvm and clang to build it, too?
2021-03-22T18:14:55 #kisslinux <chaffity> It all boils down the the web in general being just _too_ complicated IMO, even support recent CSS versions would set you up with enough work for a lifetime
2021-03-22T18:15:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely
2021-03-22T18:15:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> the web as a standard is fucked
2021-03-22T18:15:08 #kisslinux <chaffity> s/support/supporting
2021-03-22T18:15:09 #kisslinux <kissbot> <chaffity> It all boils down the the web in general being just _too_ complicated IMO, even supporting recent CSS versions would set you up with enough work for a lifetime
2021-03-22T18:15:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> if there's going to be a KISS browser, like I said, I think there's a niche somewhere between netsurf and pale moon
2021-03-22T18:15:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> CSS support, basic JS, and HTML4 is all that's needed in that case
2021-03-22T18:16:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally it would provide options to integrate with local programs for content playback
2021-03-22T18:16:42 #kisslinux <chaffity> Yes back to that point, KISS for me isn't just a Linux distribution, it's really what the package manager and base system set you up for, and enable you to achieve
2021-03-22T18:16:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> convert an embedded video to a link that you click, browser shunts it to stdout for processing, and it stops doing anything related to said video from there
2021-03-22T18:17:25 #kisslinux <chaffity> ... anything we built as a unit would have to be based on those principles
2021-03-22T18:17:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> as for wasm, webGL, html5, webVR, webRTC, etc, I don't think any of them fall into the realm of "KISS"
2021-03-22T18:17:49 #kisslinux <chaffity> ^
2021-03-22T18:17:53 #kisslinux <chaffity> True dat
2021-03-22T18:18:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit even HTML4 and CSS3 are stretching it but the web isn't predominantly HTML3 any more
2021-03-22T18:18:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> goddamnit giving normies access to the internet was a mistake
2021-03-22T18:19:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-22T18:19:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> change my mind!
2021-03-22T18:20:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> USENET and phpBB were the good days
2021-03-22T18:20:39 #kisslinux <chaffity> "options to integrate with local programs for content playback" - this is exactly what a Gopher client will do, it was, and in many ways is, a much better protocol for sharing information
2021-03-22T18:20:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> webFS when
2021-03-22T18:20:45 #kisslinux <chaffity> I will die on this hill
2021-03-22T18:20:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> become undead
2021-03-22T18:21:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Let me know if you see Dylan or anything after you die
2021-03-22T18:21:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you spot a corpse wearing a che guevara shirt that's probably him
2021-03-22T18:21:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i imagine he probably has a thinkpad?
2021-03-22T18:22:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i only chatted with him once before, when we needed him most, he vanished
2021-03-22T18:22:31 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm only getting about 40mb of memory (Pss) per tab on luakit (webkit browser)
2021-03-22T18:22:50 #kisslinux <chaffity> Oof, Luakit, all things nice
2021-03-22T18:23:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, but even ignoring the memory issue (maybe that was fixed idk and idc) it still leaves heaps of problems with webkit
2021-03-22T18:23:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus, luakit drags in luaJIT doesn't it?
2021-03-22T18:23:49 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe
2021-03-22T18:23:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm positive it does
2021-03-22T18:24:01 #kisslinux <acheam> but thats just the only webkit browser I have on hand
2021-03-22T18:24:01 #kisslinux <chaffity> He's not wrong
2021-03-22T18:24:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> I went on a Lua binge a while back
2021-03-22T18:24:13 #kisslinux <acheam> all i'm saying is: its implementation specific
2021-03-22T18:24:15 #kisslinux <chaffity> I'm still riding that wave
2021-03-22T18:24:28 #kisslinux <chaffity> Such a beautiful language
2021-03-22T18:24:29 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-22T18:24:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> lua is great until you realize it's kind of useless due to a lack of non-game related libraries
2021-03-22T18:24:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, that was my experience
2021-03-22T18:24:40 #kisslinux <acheam> empty palemoon window is 218mb
2021-03-22T18:24:48 #kisslinux <chaffity> midfavila: Love2D
2021-03-22T18:24:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have a friend obsessed with love2d
2021-03-22T18:25:01 #kisslinux <acheam> but honestly, I think webkit is the best option
2021-03-22T18:25:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> he never shuts up about it >.<
2021-03-22T18:25:03 #kisslinux <acheam> its not good
2021-03-22T18:25:09 #kisslinux <acheam> but its the lesser of all evils
2021-03-22T18:25:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: eh, no, bindings exist for many C libraries
2021-03-22T18:25:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I might just switch to using a text browser
2021-03-22T18:26:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what would you choose?
2021-03-22T18:26:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> lynx
2021-03-22T18:26:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> w3m is cringe and links is only good because of its speed and ease of use
2021-03-22T18:26:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> elinks is super unmaintained
2021-03-22T18:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> therefore the only real option is lynx
2021-03-22T18:26:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> w3m cringe since when?
2021-03-22T18:26:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lynx supports gopher, so thats nice
2021-03-22T18:27:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> w3m cringe since it tried to be a pager and browser at the same time
2021-03-22T18:27:12 #kisslinux <chaffity> acheam: I agree, in a non-perfect world, WebKit is a good thing, the more variety we can have that _isn't_ Chromium hosted, the better
2021-03-22T18:27:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> of all the applications to bundle, a pager and a browser
2021-03-22T18:27:21 #kisslinux <acheam> exactly
2021-03-22T18:27:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> with IMAGE SUPPORT
2021-03-22T18:27:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> WHY
2021-03-22T18:27:34 #kisslinux <acheam> that exactly was meant for chaffity
2021-03-22T18:27:42 #kisslinux <acheam> a pager and a browser actually do make sense...
2021-03-22T18:27:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> silence, op
2021-03-22T18:27:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, you have to page through websites
2021-03-22T18:28:02 #kisslinux <acheam> so the code is already there
2021-03-22T18:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides in terms of fancy pagers MOST is the best
2021-03-22T18:28:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only downside is that it requires you install s-lang
2021-03-22T18:28:26 #kisslinux <acheam> I just use less for simple paging, and neovim if I want syntax highlighting and stuff
2021-03-22T18:28:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> but on systems I use MOST, I also use JED, which... also requires s-lang. so it's whatever
2021-03-22T18:28:50 #kisslinux <chaffity> Who here uses Gopher? All of these dreams are baked into the gopher protocol
2021-03-22T18:29:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> gemini is more my speed honestly
2021-03-22T18:29:09 #kisslinux <acheam> same
2021-03-22T18:29:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> to me KISS is like suckless
2021-03-22T18:29:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> but with just a little bit of garnish
2021-03-22T18:29:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, maybe some aregano
2021-03-22T18:30:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you can have pasta sauce instead of red sauce
2021-03-22T18:30:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> suckless is cringe af
2021-03-22T18:30:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> says the rust developer
2021-03-22T18:30:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-22T18:30:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nope
2021-03-22T18:30:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nothing to do with rust lol
2021-03-22T18:30:47 #kisslinux <chaffity> What's the Rust bashing about? Extra required tooling?
2021-03-22T18:31:03 #kisslinux <acheam> have you read the C style guide for suckless
2021-03-22T18:31:05 #kisslinux <acheam> its wack
2021-03-22T18:31:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> meh
2021-03-22T18:31:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I don't care about the C guide
2021-03-22T18:31:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I actually like it, lol
2021-03-22T18:31:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong suckless is very eccentric
2021-03-22T18:31:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://ben.tilde.team/suckmore/
2021-03-22T18:31:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'd take eccentric over... something worse
2021-03-22T18:31:37 #kisslinux * kiedtl grabs popcorn and cackles
2021-03-22T18:31:39 #kisslinux <acheam> of course kiedtl's got the tilde link
2021-03-22T18:31:44 #kisslinux <acheam> oh wow
2021-03-22T18:31:47 #kisslinux <acheam> thats.. something
2021-03-22T18:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow look at all these notseez
2021-03-22T18:32:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i see social media and a smear tactic as citations
2021-03-22T18:32:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> v nice
2021-03-22T18:32:41 #kisslinux <chaffity> Is that actually them?!
2021-03-22T18:33:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> the more I see people talk about how evil torch hikes are the more I want to just go on every single torch hike ever
2021-03-22T18:33:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> purely out of spite
2021-03-22T18:41:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol yes
2021-03-22T18:43:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> also I like how some of the "sources" are just people complaining about them
2021-03-22T18:43:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i am totally and utterly convinced by this
2021-03-22T18:44:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Just what I'd expect
2021-03-22T18:44:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just, like
2021-03-22T18:44:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> am I not time-cube brained enough to understand this?
2021-03-22T18:45:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> how many dimensions do I have to look through to understand?
2021-03-22T18:47:38 #kisslinux <merakor2> Oh so we are talking suckless again, is that where we are back to?
2021-03-22T18:47:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-22T18:48:38 #kisslinux <merakor2> Some of em are nazis, most of em are not, I care only about the software, let's get over this crap already
2021-03-22T18:49:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you don't understand
2021-03-22T18:49:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> as we all know suckless have a lot of political and cultural influence
2021-03-22T18:49:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if even one of them has bad-think, it could hurt someone's feelings at Red Hat
2021-03-22T18:49:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> or Google or something
2021-03-22T18:52:20 #kisslinux <merakor2> I'm not gonna lie, spamming Poettering is a cringe shit to do for a grown-ass man
2021-03-22T18:56:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> set buflist.look.enabled on
2021-03-22T18:59:32 #kisslinux <acheam> rip
2021-03-22T19:00:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hellboy2d what is your sound situation like?  what are you running in your chroot?
2021-03-22T19:00:29 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I use void chroot
2021-03-22T19:00:46 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Pulseaudio and alsa already installed
2021-03-22T19:02:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oops, ignore my last message
2021-03-22T19:02:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't tell me what to do
2021-03-22T19:03:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> in the chroot does `speaker-test -c 2` say anything useful?
2021-03-22T19:05:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and is it pulseaudio in chroot with alsa in host?
2021-03-22T19:11:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what would be cool?
2021-03-22T19:11:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> if we had cave story in kiss-games
2021-03-22T19:16:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of looks like someone is making an SDL port of it
2021-03-22T19:16:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> runs on KISS too. very based
2021-03-22T19:24:26 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Ominou_anonymou
2021-03-22T19:25:02 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> speaker test had the commom playback open error
2021-03-22T19:25:11 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And my host not use pulseaudio
2021-03-22T19:31:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok, and have you made sure everything pulseaudio needs is bound to the chroot?
2021-03-22T19:32:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> this section lists what needs to be passed: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/FAQ/#index37h3
2021-03-22T19:33:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm not sure what you'd need to do since alsa probably means your host doesn't have /var/lib/dbus
2021-03-22T19:38:06 #kisslinux <acheam> til about speaker-test
2021-03-22T19:39:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> real chads use aplay /dev/urandom
2021-03-22T19:39:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> you'll know your audio is working when you can no longer hear
2021-03-22T19:39:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> another thing I find mildly amusing is that if you grep for anything in urandom it will match
2021-03-22T19:40:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> Eventually:tm:
2021-03-22T19:40:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's not matching midfavila
2021-03-22T19:40:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> keep waiting
2021-03-22T19:41:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> my guess is he's getting the playback open error because his host is already opening the sound card, so when the chroot tries to open it it gets rejected
2021-03-22T19:41:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> iirc pulseaudio really doesn't like sharing the soundcard
2021-03-22T19:41:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if it's all passed through via bind mounts it should be fine...
2021-03-22T19:42:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well, neither pulseaudio nor alsa like to sahre
2021-03-22T19:42:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of audio
2021-03-22T19:42:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been geting alsa underruns with programs that use SDL2
2021-03-22T19:42:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's some stuff on all-pulse setups, but i can't find anything on setups where it's alsa on the "outside" and pulseaudio on the "inside"
2021-03-22T19:42:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> could that be related to the memory reserved for the audio buffer?
2021-03-22T19:44:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. looking online it's more likely a userspace config error
2021-03-22T19:44:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> OH BOY, I know what I'm spending the rest of today not fucking doing
2021-03-22T19:45:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway gonna bring the machine down for a reboot
2021-03-22T19:45:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> this memory thing is bugging me
2021-03-22T19:52:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hellboy2d you could also try this in your chroot: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#ALSA/dmix_without_grabbing_hardware_device
2021-03-22T19:57:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay back
2021-03-22T19:57:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> this thing takes ages to reboot
2021-03-22T19:57:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks server hardware
2021-03-22T19:58:57 #kisslinux <acheam> argh I know
2021-03-22T19:59:05 #kisslinux <acheam> my server takes like 10 min to reboot
2021-03-22T19:59:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine is at five minutes right now
2021-03-22T19:59:15 #kisslinux <acheam> it has to go through all these thermal checks and stuff
2021-03-22T19:59:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> mhm
2021-03-22T19:59:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong that's part of why I paid for it
2021-03-22T19:59:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's very a e s t h e t i c to watch POST
2021-03-22T19:59:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> but a e s t h e t i c loses its novelty after the first fifty times
2021-03-22T20:00:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and now it's just "well time to go check on my tea"
2021-03-22T20:00:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh hey, the city busses are running again
2021-03-22T20:10:13 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: https://github.com/midfavila this you?
2021-03-22T20:10:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, yeah.
2021-03-22T20:10:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't use the account though.
2021-03-22T20:11:08 #kisslinux <acheam> whats the uh profile picture
2021-03-22T20:11:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fan drawing of Asriel. Why?
2021-03-22T20:11:52 #kisslinux <acheam> just curious
2021-03-22T20:12:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair enough
2021-03-22T20:12:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> probs checking we aint got no furries here
2021-03-22T20:12:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> ominous_anonymou
2021-03-22T20:12:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck I've been discovered
2021-03-22T20:12:34 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Not work
2021-03-22T20:12:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-03-22T20:12:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> into the cupboard I go
2021-03-22T20:14:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> darn, sorry hellboy2d
2021-03-22T20:16:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Anyone had a void chroot?
2021-03-22T20:19:16 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: totally not what I was doing
2021-03-22T20:19:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao yeah i know im just taking the piss anyway
2021-03-22T20:19:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> Willing to bet I know what he's doing :v
2021-03-22T20:19:58 #kisslinux <acheam> (was definately what I was doing)
2021-03-22T20:20:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> H m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
2021-03-22T20:31:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm tempted to remove the built-in devtools for my browser... hrm.
2021-03-22T20:33:36 #kisslinux <acheam> why
2021-03-22T20:33:42 #kisslinux <acheam> what would you use instead?
2021-03-22T20:33:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> Because they're slow and crappy.
2021-03-22T20:33:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> And I would use an external addon if I really needed devtools
2021-03-22T20:34:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> There's a few options for pale moon-likes
2021-03-22T20:37:21 #kisslinux <jslick> So, it will then be like IE7 in that regard
2021-03-22T20:37:35 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-22T20:37:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> I guess, in a way, yeah.
2021-03-22T20:48:03 #kisslinux <acheam> https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gneve/
2021-03-22T21:05:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> hellboy2d assuming you that you followed chroot guide on Void wiki everything should work without any changes with base-voidstrap/base-chroot. Just install dependencies for binaries you're using so they launch without spitting errors
2021-03-22T21:05:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Why would you install pulseaudio if you don't have it on host...
2021-03-22T21:11:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I think this
2021-03-22T21:11:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But how can i use steam audio without pulse?
2021-03-22T21:12:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly when it comes to bullshit like valve's client they really should just provide an appimage
2021-03-22T21:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> proprietary garbage won't run in a regular environment unless you mutilate said environment first
2021-03-22T21:12:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah with all their nonsense deps included
2021-03-22T21:14:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> What even the reason for gnueve to exist when there's ffmpeg. Complete nonsense
2021-03-22T21:14:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> emecs
2021-03-22T21:15:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> the superior media editor
2021-03-22T21:15:26 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Waiting for emacs steam client next
2021-03-22T21:15:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> stallman would have a fit
2021-03-22T21:15:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Hope they rewrite all deps in lisp
2021-03-22T21:16:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a common lisp OS I want to try some time
2021-03-22T21:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mo-something
2021-03-22T21:16:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...I think.
2021-03-22T21:16:42 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah I'll stick to my imaginary EmacsOS
2021-03-22T21:17:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> #kisslinux I need your advice
2021-03-22T21:17:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> do I tidy up my living room or do I learn how to use qemu
2021-03-22T21:17:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is an important decision
2021-03-22T21:17:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> vote now on your phones
2021-03-22T21:17:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> deal with the room ofc
2021-03-22T21:17:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> you make a compelling argument
2021-03-22T21:19:52 #kisslinux <acheam> learn qemu
2021-03-22T21:20:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> also a very compelling argument
2021-03-22T21:20:06 #kisslinux <acheam> learn qemu
2021-03-22T21:20:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-03-22T21:20:18 #kisslinux <acheam> learn qemu
2021-03-22T21:20:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> you've convinced me
2021-03-22T21:20:45 #kisslinux <acheam> mission complete
2021-03-22T21:20:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> my primitive mammal brain has been subjected to repitition and as such is incapable of resisting
2021-03-22T21:20:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Lmao what would be real practical benefit from learning qemu anyways
2021-03-22T21:21:03 #kisslinux <acheam> you learn to use qemu
2021-03-22T21:21:05 #kisslinux <acheam> virtualize things
2021-03-22T21:21:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> running VMs is useful for me because I like to mess around with old software
2021-03-22T21:21:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> and sometimes I practice pentesting
2021-03-22T21:21:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> although it's been ages since I've cracked any images
2021-03-22T21:39:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh fuck I just realized
2021-03-22T21:40:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think I've been running my workstation at its lowest possible speed
2021-03-22T21:40:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> looks like the governers for all 48 threads are set to userspace 1.2ghz
2021-03-22T21:40:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn will never catch me when I shift into maximum overdrive
2021-03-22T21:42:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA
2021-03-22T21:42:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> mfw
2021-03-22T21:48:55 #kisslinux <acheam> ecce, a new song and word!e
2021-03-22T21:49:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> numa numa
2021-03-22T21:49:24 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-03-22T21:49:26 #kisslinux <acheam> numa.h
2021-03-22T21:49:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> silence
2021-03-22T21:49:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a 2006 channel now
2021-03-22T21:49:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what is numa?
2021-03-22T21:50:55 #kisslinux <acheam> a policy manual
2021-03-22T21:50:56 #kisslinux <acheam> `man numa`
2021-03-22T21:51:04 #kisslinux <acheam> s/manual/library
2021-03-22T21:51:18 #kisslinux <acheam> i've got man(1) on the mind
2021-03-22T21:51:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> ha
2021-03-22T21:51:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
2021-03-22T21:51:53 #kisslinux <acheam> yep.
2021-03-22T22:01:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy shit
2021-03-22T22:02:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i went from 20ish minutes to compile llvm last night to eight minutes today
2021-03-22T22:02:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> . -.
2021-03-22T22:36:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Huh? 8 minutes with 48 threads? Isn't that kinda long
2021-03-22T22:36:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> 46
2021-03-22T22:36:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i leave two free for regular use
2021-03-22T22:37:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, maybe. llvm seems to have a few points that choke up
2021-03-22T23:32:01 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Guys what are the official kiss site?
2021-03-22T23:32:18 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> K1sslinux.org or k1ss.net
2021-03-22T23:32:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> try and find out
2021-03-22T23:32:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> or, you know, maybe look at the topic
2021-03-22T23:32:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Good joke
2021-03-22T23:32:59 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Git says k1sslinux
2021-03-22T23:33:04 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But the irc says k1ss
2021-03-22T23:33:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it does, in fact, no say that.
2021-03-22T23:33:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/no/not
2021-03-22T23:33:26 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila1> it does, in fact, not say that.
2021-03-22T23:37:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> greetings, corelet
2021-03-22T23:38:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> re: no-gtk2 patch. time to get to work I suppose
2021-03-22T23:38:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Oooooooooooooooooooor we could have a browser that supports both
2021-03-22T23:38:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wink wink nudge nudge
2021-03-22T23:38:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> no
2021-03-22T23:38:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> why not? that way everyone wins
2021-03-22T23:41:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium keeps crashing tabs urgh
2021-03-22T23:41:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> chromium bad
2021-03-22T23:41:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> :|
2021-03-22T23:41:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nuegia browser good
2021-03-22T23:41:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> why would we want a default browser that supports something that should be dead?
2021-03-22T23:41:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> :thinking:
2021-03-22T23:41:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'default'
2021-03-22T23:41:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you know what actually
2021-03-22T23:42:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i don't know why I'm even asking when I can just put together a port and send it in
2021-03-22T23:42:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> for community that is
2021-03-22T23:42:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can try
2021-03-22T23:42:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-03-22T23:42:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-03-22T23:42:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hey I'll have you know that my ports are of the highest quality
2021-03-22T23:42:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> > ports
2021-03-22T23:42:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> bsdlet incoming
2021-03-22T23:42:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> crux actually
2021-03-22T23:42:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-03-22T23:42:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fuck off maclet
2021-03-22T23:42:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> somehow worse
2021-03-22T23:43:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah okay whatever I still have more cores than you
2021-03-22T23:43:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> >:c
2021-03-22T23:43:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> (:
2021-03-22T23:43:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ugh I'll have to package it for GTK3 though...
2021-03-22T23:43:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gross
2021-03-22T23:43:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> ;)
2021-03-22T23:44:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ;;;;;;;;;;;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
2021-03-22T23:44:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> look at me, I'm so cheeky
2021-03-22T23:46:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Ugh, I *hate* the fact that the only functional GTK2 display manager requires the fucking xfce tools