2021-05-13T00:46:53 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I was having a look at kiss linux and it looks like a cool distro. Installed Arch before but that is about the hardest install I ever did. Want to try and install kiss linux in a vm. Is there anything I need to know before I start? Looking to use the kde port to get a desktop environment.
2021-05-13T00:49:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> read up on kernel configuration. I wasted aloooot of time not configuring the kernel correctly. which gave me a ton of headaches..
2021-05-13T00:49:57 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Dylin can answer wether or not the kde port works as expected aswell, Ive never tested it.
2021-05-13T00:51:05 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> So its mostly the kernel that is the hardest part
2021-05-13T00:51:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> the gentoo wiki has some great wiki sites on configuring the kernel, which you should probably look into
2021-05-13T00:51:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, I belive thats mostly the hardest part for most people. I had some hickups some other placeses aswell, but mostly me not reading up on it or w/e.
2021-05-13T00:52:17 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I can look into configuring kernels
2021-05-13T00:53:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> some guy also made 2 install videos on youtube, which had some nice tips when configuring the kernel aswell. he bascilly used arch's kernel config, but stripped the unused stuff.
2021-05-13T00:54:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> you do that. thats atleast my general tip for getting into kiss linux.
2021-05-13T00:54:27 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Yeah I was going to watch the videos and also read the install guide to
2021-05-13T00:55:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, good starting point. kiss linux is a really niche distro, so not too much content out there afaik, but atleast there those two that I mentioned. otherwise we got the wiki, which is good, aswell as the subreddit, which has some posts on alot of stuff for kiss
2021-05-13T00:58:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> heres the guy I mentioned: https://yewtu.be/channel/UCYBVE71t_itE88HJXh9orIg
2021-05-13T01:00:54 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I saw those videos. I was mostly looking at the video made by DenshiVideo since its more updated but if it does not matter I will look at both.
2021-05-13T01:02:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Ive viewd that one aswell, but I belive the other guy is more thourough iirc. its been some time now since I watched any of them tbh. its mostly the kernel stuff thats iportant imo. the rest is in the wiki. if something is not obvious, just ask here anyway, and we'll help you
2021-05-13T01:03:42 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I will ask if I have any issues with anything.
2021-05-13T01:05:33 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> As far as post install goes is it just configuring the users and installing xorg and then the wm/de I want?
2021-05-13T01:10:47 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty much
2021-05-13T01:11:30 #kisslinux <acheam> the simplest install is basically just extracting the rootfs, building the kernel, and installing a bootloader/efistub
2021-05-13T01:11:36 #kisslinux <acheam> after that its pretty much the same as arch
2021-05-13T01:12:01 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> That sounds simple enough if I can figure out how to do that
2021-05-13T01:12:26 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I guess I would have to install the package manager to
2021-05-13T01:12:34 #kisslinux <acheam> thats included in the rootfs
2021-05-13T01:24:16 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I have read that everything can be changed out including the init system and the core utilities but I can't find any packages to change those things if I wanted.
2021-05-13T01:25:04 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Is it just as simple as installing another init system or the gnu utilities?
2021-05-13T01:26:16 #kisslinux <phoebos> yes, but if what you want isn't packaged... you'll have to package it yourself :)
2021-05-13T01:27:03 #kisslinux <acheam> what you want is probably packaged - just not in the community repo
2021-05-13T01:27:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> true
2021-05-13T01:27:37 #kisslinux <acheam> you can always ask around here if someone has it packaged, or use the kiss-find tool
2021-05-13T01:27:45 #kisslinux <acheam> which is packaged in jedehan's repo on GH
2021-05-13T01:28:19 #kisslinux <acheam> you also learn the lay of the land after some time, and get a sense of who uses/has packaged what
2021-05-13T01:29:35 #kisslinux <acheam> BTW "package it yourself" is usually just copy and paste stuff from the README of a project into a few files
2021-05-13T01:29:46 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> does the kiss-find tool go though most of the common repos and checks for the package?
2021-05-13T01:29:57 #kisslinux <acheam> it checks everything tagged with #kiss-repo on GH
2021-05-13T01:30:11 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I will try it out
2021-05-13T01:30:20 #kisslinux <acheam> warning: its a pita
2021-05-13T01:30:42 #kisslinux <acheam> (not the bread)
2021-05-13T01:31:03 #kisslinux <acheam> i'd just ask around
2021-05-13T01:31:09 #kisslinux <acheam> but it does exist if you want to play with it
2021-05-13T01:31:18 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> so if I wanted to package something I just have to make a script that builds the package
2021-05-13T01:31:46 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty much
2021-05-13T01:31:53 #kisslinux <acheam> take a look at some of the packages in the community repo for example
2021-05-13T01:32:03 #kisslinux <acheam> also https://k1sslinux.org/package-system
2021-05-13T01:33:04 #kisslinux <acheam> aside: has anyone actually used the pre-remove file for anything yet?
2021-05-13T01:36:13 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> that is so simple
2021-05-13T01:36:24 #kisslinux <acheam> thats the magic of it
2021-05-13T01:36:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: i'm meaning to do one for miktex
2021-05-13T01:36:47 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> but it get hard when the dependencies are not in any of the repos
2021-05-13T01:37:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> either to remove the symlinks in /usr/local/bin or remind the user to
2021-05-13T01:38:11 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm nice
2021-05-13T01:39:06 #kisslinux <acheam> jason123santa[m]: incentive to use simpler software?
2021-05-13T01:39:49 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I guess kiss linux is mostly for software with minimal dependencies
2021-05-13T01:40:14 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> unless all the dependencies are made
2021-05-13T01:40:31 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, people have gotten very complex software to run
2021-05-13T01:40:43 #kisslinux <acheam> java, mixtex, latex, chromium, etc
2021-05-13T01:47:41 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> True but that does not require tons of dependencies that might not be in the repos. I think chromium has a linux binary that can be used
2021-05-13T01:49:10 #kisslinux <acheam> "linux binary" usually means a glibc binary
2021-05-13T01:49:21 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ^
2021-05-13T01:49:37 #kisslinux <acheam> and many users of the community compile chrommium and stuff from source
2021-05-13T01:49:45 #kisslinux <acheam> dependencies and all
2021-05-13T01:50:42 #kisslinux <acheam> firefox has 50 direct dependencies, all of which are packaged in the main repos, along with the depenedencies of the dependencies, etc
2021-05-13T01:51:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> oh ffs, what was the issue when updating the kernel. heres the error:
2021-05-13T01:51:48 #kisslinux <sad_plan> "/usr/src/linux-5.12.3/tools/include/linux/types.h:13:10: fatal error: asm/types.h: No such file or directory
2021-05-13T01:51:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> i keep forgetting
2021-05-13T01:52:11 #kisslinux <acheam> can this go in the community updates file or smthng
2021-05-13T01:52:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ive had that issue countless times, but every time I forget..
2021-05-13T01:52:29 #kisslinux <acheam> i guess its already on the website
2021-05-13T01:52:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> its on the news now
2021-05-13T01:53:04 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-05-13T01:53:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aah, I saw the article now
2021-05-13T02:11:39 #kisslinux <sad_plan> is more of the old plan 9 software available in any of the repos? I keep stumpling upon it for some reason.
2021-05-13T02:12:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> tbf we could probs just add the entire plan9port to the community repo
2021-05-13T02:12:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> it builds quick
2021-05-13T02:13:43 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I guess. Ive been thinking about it tbh, but IVe never really found any of the sources. not that Ive looked though
2021-05-13T02:13:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I have a feeling that people who like kiss, like plan9 software aswell
2021-05-13T02:14:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> https://github.com/9fans/plan9port
2021-05-13T02:14:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> thats got all the plan 9 tools that can be ported
2021-05-13T02:14:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> gl with KDE jason123santa[m]; lemme know if it works at all
2021-05-13T02:14:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've had a persistent problem for the last long while with plasmashell crashing instantly
2021-05-13T02:15:10 #kisslinux <sad_plan> well would you look at that
2021-05-13T02:15:19 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I didnt think it was that easy tbh
2021-05-13T02:15:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah its piss easy thanks to the work of some plan9 fanatics
2021-05-13T02:15:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive installed it, and swapped out acme for acme2k
2021-05-13T02:15:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> to give it a run
2021-05-13T02:16:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Ive actually thought about trying out acme aswell. even ed, or sam for that matter. though Im unsure if all of those are actuall plan9 stuff
2021-05-13T02:16:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> ed isn't, sam and acme are
2021-05-13T02:16:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> thought as much
2021-05-13T02:17:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> ed is worth learning even if its just to have some knowledge
2021-05-13T02:17:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive not really bothered with sam
2021-05-13T02:18:15 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I saw that kde used to work fine. Was there something that changed and made it not work correctly?
2021-05-13T02:18:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> i brutalized it
2021-05-13T02:18:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> the biggest change was stripping out kdoctools, and I don't know how that would've made it not work --  i think it's just some qt5 problem tbh
2021-05-13T02:18:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, I kept seeing z3bra mentioning ed on his website, and I got somwhat interested in trying it out, but Ive never gotten to it tbh. been rather busy trying to figure out how wmutils work, and how to make it work.. more as  a wm. or w/e. im currently only lacking mouse support for windows tbh :p
2021-05-13T02:19:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive just gone for the very simple xwm for a wm
2021-05-13T02:19:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> kde works absolutely fine if you don't need to use kwin tho. I've been using sowm and all the KDE apps that I currently have in the repo work just fine
2021-05-13T02:19:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> but yeah, ed is good, its very terse and my biggest issue is its clearly born of an era where knowing your code was important
2021-05-13T02:19:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> I should figure out the wayland problems tho :X
2021-05-13T02:20:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> nothing quite like having to print your code constantly or have a less window open just to see whats going on
2021-05-13T02:21:48 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Is there any other desktop environment available besides kde?
2021-05-13T02:22:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> pantheon, I think?
2021-05-13T02:22:15 #kisslinux <acheam> periish has an xfce repo
2021-05-13T02:22:26 #kisslinux <acheam> yea euldagr has pantheon
2021-05-13T02:22:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> I super want to try that tbh
2021-05-13T02:23:01 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I guess any desktop environment would work
2021-05-13T02:23:22 #kisslinux <acheam> i wonder if anyone has packaged lxde
2021-05-13T02:23:49 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Does the desktop environment have to be compiled?
2021-05-13T02:23:53 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-13T02:24:07 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> lxde would be nice to have
2021-05-13T02:25:15 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> its the most minimal that a desktop environment can go before having to install additional packages to make things work
2021-05-13T02:25:56 #kisslinux <acheam> well, depends on how you defien a desktop environemnt
2021-05-13T02:26:02 #kisslinux <acheam> CDE probably takes the cake
2021-05-13T02:26:12 #kisslinux <acheam> by my definitions
2021-05-13T02:28:30 #kisslinux <acheam> https://inv.skyn3t.in/tR7G-wIm-e8
2021-05-13T02:31:02 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> that might be the most minimal
2021-05-13T02:40:38 #kisslinux <sad_plan> necromansy: yeah, I could. but I fr some reason like glazier more, or sowm for that matter. which is what I started with when I first installed kiss. made my transision from DE to wm really easy tbh, with the hotkeys for st and dmenu already there.
2021-05-13T02:42:00 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I also really wanna make wmutils work like a wm, as I said, Im only missing the mouse support, which I can live without for some time, but would be nice to have the sloppy focus tbh. I did found some more scripts etc for it yesterday aswell. gonna have to write my own stuff eventually, but my scripting knowledge is rather lacking
2021-05-13T02:42:05 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-05-13T02:43:35 #kisslinux <sad_plan> knowing your code is important imo, makes the job so much easier i supose. gonna start using ed now, to see whats its like, aswell as acme next or something :p
2021-05-13T02:44:16 #kisslinux <sad_plan> jason123santa: you could check out openbox aswell. its also really nice with its builtin menu system and stuff. lots of documentation for it aswell
2021-05-13T02:44:51 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Yeah I know about openbox
2021-05-13T02:45:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i agree re: knowing your code, its a growing pain i've noticed coming from writing tons of data analysis python scripts in vi to editing them in ed
2021-05-13T02:45:14 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> currently have it installed on my arch install along side xfce and some other desktops
2021-05-13T02:45:20 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> its to minimal for my use
2021-05-13T02:45:42 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> but when I do my vm install it might be nice to try it
2021-05-13T02:45:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I used that before installing kiss, and it make good use of the keyboard, if youre into that thing. if you configure it that way, that is :p
2021-05-13T02:46:05 #kisslinux <sad_plan> necromancy: exacly
2021-05-13T02:47:36 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Yeah I have used openbox before and its the only window manager I will use
2021-05-13T02:47:41 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> even then its to minimal for me
2021-05-13T02:48:20 #kisslinux <sad_plan> why is it too minimal? what exacly would you require that ob or others couldnt provide, or other applications can provide instead?
2021-05-13T03:00:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> necromancy: sheit, ed is way more complicated than I thought. I didnt think much of what a 'line editor' was, until i tried editing a file with ed
2021-05-13T03:02:21 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-13T03:03:58 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I have no clue how you use it and be productive
2021-05-13T03:04:03 #kisslinux <acheam> like... what do you gain?
2021-05-13T03:04:05 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that era must've been a frustrating time to code, if ed was really all you got. I suppose it does jog your memory though, seeing as you gotta remember all of it.
2021-05-13T03:04:37 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Im not sure tbh. I was able to edit stuff, and do basic stuff. but tbh, its just hghly inefficient compared to something like vim
2021-05-13T03:04:38 #kisslinux <deltab> I use it for very small edits like adding a line to a file
2021-05-13T03:04:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> tbf you get used to it
2021-05-13T03:05:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> you're supposed to make use of stuff like regex
2021-05-13T03:05:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> for it to be *really* powerful
2021-05-13T03:05:19 #kisslinux <acheam> still it feels more like navigating your code than editing it
2021-05-13T03:07:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, I used some time to get used to using vi/vim/nvim aswell, but after some time I got used to it. so I suppose its the same with ed, or any other editor for that matter. comming from widows, just using the terminal in general is a nightmare. now I almost dont wanna use anything else.
2021-05-13T03:11:02 #kisslinux <acheam> hm yeah
2021-05-13T03:27:41 #kisslinux <sad_plan> damn, I think I finally figured out how the mouse support for wmutils worked. and I feel a bit stupid for not realizing how easy appearently is
2021-05-13T03:36:16 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> huh, links doesn't seem to convert html &lt into <
2021-05-13T03:42:52 #kisslinux <acheam> could be a trivial patch, could be tens of hours of debugging
2021-05-13T03:57:47 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ah no it was a mistake of dilyn
2021-05-13T03:57:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> works fine with &lt;
2021-05-13T03:58:14 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> semicolons, c'mon
2021-05-13T04:02:38 #kisslinux <acheam> jeez man
2021-05-13T04:26:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-05-13T04:26:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Join the links gang acheam
2021-05-13T04:28:00 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> yasss
2021-05-13T04:37:38 #kisslinux <acheam> eww serves me just fine :)
2021-05-13T04:56:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Wasn't eww some widget stuff
2021-05-13T05:06:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> what did i do now
2021-05-13T12:41:33 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: Emacs web wowser
2021-05-13T13:08:52 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Can kiss linux be used as a server?
2021-05-13T13:09:33 #kisslinux <sad_plan> as long as you can install the software you require, I dont see why not
2021-05-13T13:10:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> didnt Dylin run a server with kiss? like the website or w/e. I belive I saw he wrote that in one of his posts on the website
2021-05-13T13:11:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> onodera used to, looks like they switched to alpine though: https://camille.sh/
2021-05-13T13:12:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> jason123santa yeah why not, i use it and dilyn uses it too
2021-05-13T13:13:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Someone else here said they used it on a few servers aswell
2021-05-13T13:15:00 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> so kiss linux is just like we will give you this tarball do whatever you want with it
2021-05-13T13:15:10 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yes
2021-05-13T13:18:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "with great power comes great responsibility"
2021-05-13T13:18:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> with kiss-alternative, you can switch out just about all of your system. if you wish to use suckless' sbase's grep, you can do that.
2021-05-13T13:18:53 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ^
2021-05-13T13:18:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> s/responsibility/meme-ing/
2021-05-13T13:18:54 #kisslinux <movzbl> <ominous_anonymou> "with great power comes great meme-ing"
2021-05-13T13:19:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> can easily bork your system with it. I have several times wrecked my libs
2021-05-13T13:19:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Easy to fix too
2021-05-13T13:19:38 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> what does kiss-alternative do? does it search through the repos to find an alternative
2021-05-13T13:20:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> it lets you switch owners of files/packages, like grep, cp and so on. its obviosuly more powerfull than just that, but you get the idea
2021-05-13T13:20:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You can have multiple packages that provide something like /usr/bin/sed
2021-05-13T13:20:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ^
2021-05-13T13:20:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So you can choose which package to use for sed
2021-05-13T13:26:04 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> so I can have multiple packages that do the same thing?
2021-05-13T13:27:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep!
2021-05-13T13:28:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://k1sslinux.org/package-manager#3.2 if you haven't seen this, it describes the alternatives system
2021-05-13T13:29:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/init/changing-init shows examples of using it to change init systems
2021-05-13T13:32:55 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I can change init system
2021-05-13T13:47:38 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> there are only two init systems but I think bussybox is fine
2021-05-13T13:54:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Sure, it was just an example
2021-05-13T13:57:53 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> yeah I know
2021-05-13T13:58:08 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> is there openrc available?
2021-05-13T13:58:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No, but why would you use that
2021-05-13T13:58:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You can package it if you want
2021-05-13T14:00:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> whats wrong with openrc?
2021-05-13T14:02:47 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> nothing is wrong
2021-05-13T14:02:49 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I was just asking
2021-05-13T14:03:02 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I was asking testuser :p
2021-05-13T14:03:31 #kisslinux <kqz> openrc in my experience is pretty sluggish, also pretty needlessly convuleted
2021-05-13T14:03:58 #kisslinux <kqz> not as bad as systemd ofc, but i was not a fan
2021-05-13T14:04:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ah ok.
2021-05-13T14:05:36 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Yeah I know you were not asking me
2021-05-13T14:07:39 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I guess I can just keep the default init system
2021-05-13T14:07:46 #kisslinux <aarng> I'm considering to go no service manager
2021-05-13T14:08:14 #kisslinux <aarng> the 3 daemons I use, I can simply start via rc.d or similar
2021-05-13T14:10:46 #kisslinux <luis64> Hi,  Libreoffice and Telegram will be added any repo?
2021-05-13T14:17:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> LibreOffice proved to be a huge pain to package in the past, I don't know that anyone ever got it working or was interested in trying once they saw the dependencies needed.
2021-05-13T14:19:26 #kisslinux <luis64> The kernel modules, do you manage them with inittab? kerneld?
2021-05-13T14:21:03 #kisslinux <luis64> I understand, it is still essential for daily use, I will look for an alternative to Libreoffice. Thx.
2021-05-13T14:21:46 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you can use inittab if you want, recommendation is to build everything into the kernel that you can
2021-05-13T14:21:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could always try to get telegram to work yourself :v https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop
2021-05-13T14:22:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> calligra might be a fine replacement for libreoffice, which is packaged
2021-05-13T14:22:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> would presumably require dbus tho...
2021-05-13T14:22:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Surprising that it isn't just another garbage electron wrapper
2021-05-13T14:22:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The tg client
2021-05-13T14:23:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol, right??
2021-05-13T14:23:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> there are also some TUI clients
2021-05-13T14:23:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/paul-nameless/tg
2021-05-13T14:24:06 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> shouldn't flatpak also work?
2021-05-13T14:25:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> alpine has it https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/community/telegram-desktop?h=master
2021-05-13T14:25:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> it might!
2021-05-13T14:26:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> They have something called "Linux static build", idk if it's static static or fancy name for appimage
2021-05-13T14:27:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://telegram.org/dl/desktop/linux
2021-05-13T14:27:38 #kisslinux <luis64> Ok, excellent work! Thanks for info, awesome project!
2021-05-13T14:27:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ^ i couldn't run it on my kiss linux vm, its built against glibc
2021-05-13T14:28:06 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> It would require glibc
2021-05-13T14:28:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> it isn't static lmfao
2021-05-13T14:28:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> readelf shows: [Requesting program interpreter: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2]
2021-05-13T14:28:47 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> it does look like alpine linux has patches to remove glibc
2021-05-13T14:28:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> it links against libc.so.6
2021-05-13T14:29:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed^ but the official static build is a bust for that ez life :(
2021-05-13T14:29:16 #kisslinux <luis64> No, AppImages and other with MUSL error ! xD
2021-05-13T14:29:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> someone could try flatpack; I haven't bothered setting it up
2021-05-13T14:29:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> mmatongo has updated dylan's flatpak repo too
2021-05-13T14:29:39 #kisslinux <luis64> I used Musl over different distros, it´s horrible !
2021-05-13T14:29:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> For binaries
2021-05-13T14:29:52 #kisslinux <luis64> But i love suckless philosophy ...
2021-05-13T14:31:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/mmatongo/kiss-flatpak
2021-05-13T14:32:02 #kisslinux <luis64> Adélie GCompat project don´t run well for this.
2021-05-13T14:33:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/gkisslinux/grepo if you want glibc
2021-05-13T14:36:21 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Does flatpak have sound? The github says its does not work
2021-05-13T14:38:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> depends on the individual flatpak i believe.  some of them bake in dependencies on pulseaudio
2021-05-13T14:38:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you could try having https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse installed
2021-05-13T14:40:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> or never mind https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse/issues/109#issuecomment-601753311
2021-05-13T14:40:56 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> there is no pulseaudio?
2021-05-13T14:41:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/periish/kiss-all if you want it, might be a little outdated now
2021-05-13T14:42:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I have dbus and pulse in gkisslinux/kiss-bloat
2021-05-13T15:08:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do patches work on packages with git sources?
2021-05-13T15:08:46 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> like could i do a `git apply` or something?
2021-05-13T15:11:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yes, sorry, you can.  forgot to add the patch to sources file
2021-05-13T17:54:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> jesus christ
2021-05-13T17:54:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> last night it was a spider, now there are wasps in my apartment
2021-05-13T17:55:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> why is spring so awful
2021-05-13T17:57:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> perhaps the spider wanted to bring some friends over
2021-05-13T17:58:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> his friends are now decapitated and/or crushed in my window
2021-05-13T17:58:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I hope he feels good about his decision
2021-05-13T17:58:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> my bayonet holds mercy for no bug
2021-05-13T17:59:25 #kisslinux <sad_plan> oh no, spideys friends :( he's probably sad now
2021-05-13T17:59:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> the dead feel no sadness
2021-05-13T18:01:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...why do you need python to build glibc...
2021-05-13T18:01:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugh
2021-05-13T18:03:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Why do you need to build glibc
2021-05-13T18:05:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> I use GKISS on my desktop
2021-05-13T18:06:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> mostly because UXP browsers don't seem to compile against musl
2021-05-13T18:26:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wish I could use regular KISS though
2021-05-13T18:26:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> gcc seems to think I'm using a musl system when I'm very clearly not
2021-05-13T18:29:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> UXP like basilisk?
2021-05-13T18:30:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-05-13T18:30:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> I normally use the Nuegia browser
2021-05-13T18:31:28 #kisslinux * midfavila screams
2021-05-13T18:33:40 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hey dilyn
2021-05-13T18:35:19 #kisslinux <mmatongo> noticed that eiwd was out of date in that illiliti has been maintaining it since dylan vanished
2021-05-13T18:40:20 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Can confirm it works, I saw it and changed to illiliti's a little while ago.
2021-05-13T18:40:58 #kisslinux <mmatongo> noticed it a few days ago myself can confirm the above
2021-05-13T18:46:23 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/pull/40#issuecomment-840747037
2021-05-13T18:49:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> >C23 will get support for lambdas I believe.
2021-05-13T18:50:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Is that a "no" to fixing it?
2021-05-13T18:51:21 #kisslinux <riteo> hi!
2021-05-13T18:53:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hi riteo
2021-05-13T18:59:32 #kisslinux <illiliti> ominous_anonymou: Rosen Penev aka neheb has some work on removing gcc-only code. He is definitely not going to say "no"
2021-05-13T19:00:06 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/illiliti/eiwd/commits?author=neheb
2021-05-13T19:00:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ah understood, so i just misread.  thank you
2021-05-13T19:00:41 #kisslinux <illiliti> and he is not main dev to say "no" :)
2021-05-13T19:01:07 #kisslinux <illiliti> np
2021-05-13T19:42:37 #kisslinux <sad_plan> illiliti: should you perhaps push your eiwd build into the repos instead of the old depreciated dylans build?
2021-05-13T19:45:20 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Anyone with errors in kernel 12.3?
2021-05-13T19:45:35 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah I had it yeasterday
2021-05-13T19:45:43 #kisslinux <sad_plan> look here: https://k1sslinux.org/news/20210507a
2021-05-13T19:45:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> fixed it for me
2021-05-13T19:45:57 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> hellboy2d: none more than 5.12.2
2021-05-13T19:46:11 #kisslinux <illiliti> sad_plan: repos? you mean repo-community?
2021-05-13T19:46:32 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah
2021-05-13T19:46:39 #kisslinux <sad_plan> or main for that matter
2021-05-13T19:46:55 #kisslinux <sad_plan> its actually in main now that I looked it up
2021-05-13T19:47:20 #kisslinux <sad_plan> repo-main/extra to be exact
2021-05-13T19:47:39 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Yeah solved now
2021-05-13T19:48:45 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Any plans to change the sources to some other git host?
2021-05-13T19:48:50 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Like gitea
2021-05-13T19:49:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I belive dylin decided against it afterall. there was alot of discussion around it, but ended up sticking to github. I belive he did mirrir it to fossil or whatever its called. i think there was a post about it on the website
2021-05-13T19:50:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://git.k1sslinux.org/ here's the mirror
2021-05-13T19:51:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://dilyn-corner.github.io/blog/Server-Git here's how dilyn set it up
2021-05-13T19:53:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyone port Dolphin to KISS yet?
2021-05-13T19:53:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> the emulator
2021-05-13T19:53:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> not the file manager
2021-05-13T19:55:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if claudia doesn't have it in kiss-games then i'd lean towards no
2021-05-13T19:55:58 #kisslinux <illiliti> sad_plan: please re-read https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/pull/40 . I explained there why my fork of eiwd isn't fit into main repos. Also i would rather not to add eiwd to repo-community because that will confuse users
2021-05-13T19:59:30 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aah ok. wasnt aware of the PR tbh. yeah that would be confusing. would be better of replacing dylans in any case, but that not up for me to decide. I was just asking :p
2021-05-13T20:05:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> native encryption on zfs is stupid easy to implement...
2021-05-13T20:06:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just two extra flags on pool creation. so tight.
2021-05-13T20:07:36 #kisslinux <illiliti> did you managed to setup qemu?
2021-05-13T20:07:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> I did indeed
2021-05-13T20:07:49 #kisslinux <illiliti> cool
2021-05-13T20:08:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a very fickle build system. had to add some extra CFLAGS for wyverkiss
2021-05-13T20:10:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/532619/encryption-of-existing-dataset-in-zfs-zol-0-8 this is pretty cool
2021-05-13T20:11:51 #kisslinux <riteo> dilyn looking at the website I see there's a link for the mailing list, is it finally ready?
2021-05-13T20:11:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> yessir
2021-05-13T20:12:04 #kisslinux <riteo> noice
2021-05-13T20:16:00 #kisslinux <illiliti> dilyn: yeah, zfs snapshots is a killer feature
2021-05-13T20:16:15 #kisslinux <illiliti> but i prefer stability
2021-05-13T20:16:19 #kisslinux <illiliti> i don't trust zfs
2021-05-13T20:16:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I like my OS to be as unstable as me
2021-05-13T20:16:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> and I am VERY unstable
2021-05-13T20:17:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> see what I mean...
2021-05-13T20:19:32 #kisslinux <riteo> lmao
2021-05-13T20:19:36 #kisslinux <riteo> unstable OSes are the best
2021-05-13T20:19:43 #kisslinux <riteo> you know what's bad though
2021-05-13T20:19:51 #kisslinux <riteo> inconsistent ones, like windows
2021-05-13T20:20:48 #kisslinux <riteo> those types of OS make you do the same thing, then crash consistently for it two days later only to start working again after three reboots for no reason
2021-05-13T20:21:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> facts
2021-05-13T20:21:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> at least when my shit crashes I know it's because I did something stupid
2021-05-13T20:23:09 #kisslinux <riteo> yes
2021-05-13T20:33:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila Dolphin has pulseaudio and bluez dependencies?  are they required?
2021-05-13T20:34:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh i should've kept reading, they're optional
2021-05-13T20:35:13 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-05-13T20:35:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-05-13T20:35:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> obligatory zfs bad
2021-05-13T20:35:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> use nilfs if you need snapshots
2021-05-13T20:35:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> use xfs if you need performance
2021-05-13T20:37:06 #kisslinux <riteo> ok guys I think it's finally time
2021-05-13T20:37:26 #kisslinux <riteo> I'll subscribe to a paid email provider
2021-05-13T20:37:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> but how am i supposed to imitate BSD without zfs
2021-05-13T20:37:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> NILFS
2021-05-13T20:37:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> host your own riteo :v
2021-05-13T20:37:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's based on LFS from nBSD
2021-05-13T20:37:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> btfo
2021-05-13T20:38:00 #kisslinux <riteo> any suggestions? As of now I'm thinking about posteo and mailbox
2021-05-13T20:38:11 #kisslinux <riteo> dilyn would it be viable though?
2021-05-13T20:38:18 #kisslinux <riteo> I don't even have a static IP
2021-05-13T20:38:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> you certainly can't host email locally reliably
2021-05-13T20:38:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> most ISPs + google/msft blacklist local IPs
2021-05-13T20:38:59 #kisslinux <riteo> oh you were joking
2021-05-13T20:39:08 #kisslinux <riteo> I actually considered it
2021-05-13T20:39:21 #kisslinux <riteo> I've done quite a lot of research
2021-05-13T20:39:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> I host my email on the same vps running our git/fossil mirrors lmfao
2021-05-13T20:39:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and not even them themselves, they outsource the blacklisting to sketchy-ass groups without any real oversight
2021-05-13T20:39:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-05-13T20:39:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> they keep pinging my server for some dumbass reason
2021-05-13T20:39:48 #kisslinux <riteo> oh
2021-05-13T20:39:50 #kisslinux <riteo> I don't have a vps
2021-05-13T20:39:54 #kisslinux <riteo> neither a domain
2021-05-13T20:40:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's mostly just a good learning experience
2021-05-13T20:40:30 #kisslinux <riteo> I actually plan to buy one eventually. Are you saying that it would be better/cheaper considering the other stuff I could do with it?
2021-05-13T20:40:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is ProtonMail still considered good?
2021-05-13T20:40:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> eeeeehhhh
2021-05-13T20:40:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> people prefer pm to the alternatives, usually
2021-05-13T20:40:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> they have a free tier
2021-05-13T20:41:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> but that you need a bridge to get it on your phone is like, the dumbest of things
2021-05-13T20:41:28 #kisslinux <riteo> ehh, no SMTP support without a specialized client and a javascript client are pretty bad things
2021-05-13T20:41:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> a VPS is super useful if you have actual things to do on it, I don't know that I would ever get one if it weren't for people *cough* acheam *cough* asking for things
2021-05-13T20:42:20 #kisslinux * midfavila laughs in SDF
2021-05-13T20:42:27 #kisslinux <riteo> lmao
2021-05-13T20:43:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> obligatory reminder that VPSlets will always be destroyed by the communally-owned timeshared chads
2021-05-13T20:43:09 #kisslinux <riteo> I mean, I could host my own git and mail server
2021-05-13T20:43:33 #kisslinux <riteo> midfavila that sdf thing sounds actually kinda nice
2021-05-13T20:43:44 #kisslinux <riteo> I've still to research and consider it though
2021-05-13T20:46:14 #kisslinux <riteo> so, any suggestions for email?
2021-05-13T20:46:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> PM is easy and decent
2021-05-13T20:46:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://www.fastmail.com/
2021-05-13T20:46:59 #kisslinux <illiliti> cock.li is good too. but they locked down free registration recently in favor of invites
2021-05-13T20:47:05 #kisslinux <riteo> what do you think of posteo?
2021-05-13T20:47:11 #kisslinux <riteo> oh and mailbox
2021-05-13T20:47:18 #kisslinux <riteo> those look really cheap, maybe too much
2021-05-13T20:47:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want a cock.li it's probably just a matter of finding someone who already has one
2021-05-13T20:47:32 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-05-13T20:47:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i use mailinabox
2021-05-13T20:47:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> such a meme url smh
2021-05-13T20:48:15 #kisslinux <illiliti> hopefully i have cock.li account
2021-05-13T20:52:35 #kisslinux <riteo> mhh, I think that for now I'll go on a random cheap service such as posteo and use a domain so that I can switch to something better
2021-05-13T20:52:45 #kisslinux <riteo> I really really need SMTP, I'm tired of tutanota's web client
2021-05-13T20:53:00 #kisslinux <illiliti> me too lol
2021-05-13T20:53:10 #kisslinux <illiliti> fuck PM
2021-05-13T20:54:06 #kisslinux <riteo> the ironic thing is that these encrypted web clients aren't even that secure
2021-05-13T20:54:38 #kisslinux <riteo> it has been shown that they can send messed up clients and break it
2021-05-13T20:55:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't even use tutanota for their encryption stuff
2021-05-13T20:55:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just wanted to support a small FOSS business
2021-05-13T20:56:03 #kisslinux <riteo> me too, but the missing smtp support really starts to become a pain in the ass
2021-05-13T20:56:13 #kisslinux <kqz> i'll throw migadu in as a reccommendation, been using them for about a year and a half and had no issues
2021-05-13T20:56:42 #kisslinux <riteo> well, since I'll "fix" this issue with a custom domain, now the question is: how do you guys register domains?
2021-05-13T20:56:57 #kisslinux <riteo> sorry if I'm asking everything, but I'm really courious how you guys did it
2021-05-13T20:57:05 #kisslinux <riteo> s/courious/curious/
2021-05-13T20:57:05 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> sorry if I'm asking everything, but I'm really curious how you guys did it
2021-05-13T20:57:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd be fine with POP, honestly
2021-05-13T20:57:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> only reason I don't use SDF is the whole "seperating online and offline" stuff
2021-05-13T20:57:39 #kisslinux <kqz> register as in acquire domains?
2021-05-13T20:57:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, if you want a domain you have to go through a registrar
2021-05-13T20:58:40 #kisslinux <illiliti> riteo: internetbs.net
2021-05-13T20:58:41 #kisslinux <riteo> I've seen a friend of mine do it with a weird sketchy website
2021-05-13T20:58:44 #kisslinux <illiliti> porkbun
2021-05-13T20:59:19 #kisslinux <illiliti> cloudflare if you don't care about their shit
2021-05-13T21:00:17 #kisslinux <riteo> thanks for the names
2021-05-13T21:00:42 #kisslinux <kqz> njal.la is great if you care about privacy, though a bit more expensive than most
2021-05-13T21:00:47 #kisslinux <riteo> last thing and I'll shut up: I've heard weird stories on 4chan of "stolen" domains, is it true and has it happend to you
2021-05-13T21:00:53 #kisslinux <riteo> ?
2021-05-13T21:02:35 #kisslinux <illiliti> i think it's yet another bullshit from 4chan
2021-05-13T21:02:46 #kisslinux <riteo> epic
2021-05-13T21:03:05 #kisslinux <riteo> oh that njal.la looks real great, too bad it costs way too much
2021-05-13T21:05:22 #kisslinux <illiliti> 1 core, 1.5 ram vps
2021-05-13T21:05:26 #kisslinux <illiliti> 15 eur
2021-05-13T21:05:38 #kisslinux <illiliti> omg
2021-05-13T21:07:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's pretty hard to steal a domain in general...
2021-05-13T21:07:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> I registered k1sslinux.org with porkbun because, yet again, support small business
2021-05-13T21:07:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> they offer hosting and email too, and cloudflare dns as an option. and some of the best prices i've seen
2021-05-13T21:08:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> in general tho, just anybody. namecheap, godaddy, etc etc
2021-05-13T21:10:21 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-05-13T21:12:06 #kisslinux <riteo> best prices though I don't know, looks like internetbs has like a fixed price for stuff while porkbun can charge even double the amount for riteo.it
2021-05-13T21:12:20 #kisslinux <riteo> I'm probably going to get riteo.it or riteosiuga.it, depending on prices
2021-05-13T21:12:27 #kisslinux <riteo> yeah, get ready for rite⊙ri
2021-05-13T21:12:37 #kisslinux <riteo> s/rite@/riteo@/
2021-05-13T21:12:37 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> yeah, get ready for riteo⊙ri
2021-05-13T21:13:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> rit⊙ei
2021-05-13T21:14:43 #kisslinux <riteo> oh god
2021-05-13T21:14:50 #kisslinux <riteo> rit.eo
2021-05-13T21:14:56 #kisslinux <riteo> does it even exist
2021-05-13T21:15:24 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Anyone knows i light way to set animated wallpaper?
2021-05-13T21:15:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a redundant question
2021-05-13T21:15:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Thanks man it really helps
2021-05-13T21:16:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> yw guy
2021-05-13T21:16:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> glad to be of assistance
2021-05-13T21:16:38 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Glad too
2021-05-13T21:18:50 #kisslinux <riteo> lmao
2021-05-13T21:21:26 #kisslinux <riteo> well, thanks for all of the recommendations guys, I'll work on which to choose and I'll finally have a decent email setup
2021-05-13T21:25:15 #kisslinux <merakor> Does anyone here happen to know anything of a Linx Linux?
2021-05-13T21:25:38 #kisslinux <merakor> Basically someone forked Carbs and I'm receiving the mails of their failed repository tests
2021-05-13T21:25:44 #kisslinux <merakor> And their commit mail isn't legitimate
2021-05-13T21:31:46 #kisslinux <riteo> nope, never heard of it
2021-05-13T21:35:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing I've heard of, either
2021-05-13T21:38:30 #kisslinux <merakor> It's on https://git.sr.ht/~linx
2021-05-13T21:38:59 #kisslinux <merakor> Checking the build logs, it seems they have forked cpt too
2021-05-13T21:47:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> > 9 hours ago
2021-05-13T21:47:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> hot off the presses huh
2021-05-13T21:47:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hellboy2d xwinwrap for animated wallpapers
2021-05-13T21:48:38 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Thanks :3
2021-05-13T21:49:25 #kisslinux <riteo> does any of you know if I can register a domain through a pseudonym?
2021-05-13T21:50:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> hellboy2d https://np.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/kpm4ey/bspwm_nyan_cat/gi01e74/
2021-05-13T21:51:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @riteo i don't believe so.  usually they make you pay a few extra $$ for "privacy protection" i.e. any complaints/contact requests have to go through the domain provider as opposed to directly to you
2021-05-13T21:51:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so they can't see specific contact information, although the provider will still know who you are
2021-05-13T21:52:12 #kisslinux <riteo> yeah ominous_anonymou I search on the web and I can't, at least here in italy
2021-05-13T21:52:41 #kisslinux <riteo> I can't afford those cool privacy domain registers but the home address really puts me off
2021-05-13T21:52:48 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: Yeah, I was really confused, because I use a pre-commit hook to test the repository
2021-05-13T21:53:26 #kisslinux <merakor> Perhaps I should have used build secrets to store my mail instead of typing it into a public repository
2021-05-13T21:53:33 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh well
2021-05-13T21:54:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's free domain names, like https://freedns.afraid.org/ , but most mail providers block all domains from them so you won't have anyone to exchange emails with
2021-05-13T21:54:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> s/domain names/domain name providers
2021-05-13T21:54:23 #kisslinux <riteo> oh god do I have to use my identification number too?
2021-05-13T21:54:27 #kisslinux <riteo> that's way too much
2021-05-13T21:54:49 #kisslinux <riteo> fuck it, I'll save some money for that fancier one
2021-05-13T21:58:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> you don't more than a "valid" (doubtful) mail address to register a domain on porkbun iirc
2021-05-13T21:59:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC
2021-05-13T21:59:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> what're they gonna do, say you DON'T live there?
2021-05-13T21:59:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1234 Road Drive
2021-05-13T21:59:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's my address
2021-05-13T21:59:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> keep it secret guys
2021-05-13T21:59:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> they offer email hosting too, $2/month
2021-05-13T21:59:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> use a hotel
2021-05-13T22:00:32 #kisslinux <riteo> I mean, a hotel would be way too obvious
2021-05-13T22:00:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> people live at hotels
2021-05-13T22:02:02 #kisslinux <riteo> so on porkbun I would have to only put an address and an email?
2021-05-13T22:16:38 #kisslinux <riteo> oh porkbun doesn't have riteo.it
2021-05-13T22:16:46 #kisslinux <riteo> I think I'll go with riteosiuga.it though
2021-05-13T22:17:16 #kisslinux <riteo> nope there isn't that either. I think I'll just go with njalla if I can afford it
2021-05-13T22:29:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm. all that time working on this zfs install in qemu and now i can't boot it. cute
2021-05-13T22:29:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> can't even boot the live image anymore! what!!!
2021-05-13T22:31:42 #kisslinux <riteo> you did it
2021-05-13T22:31:56 #kisslinux <riteo> you proved that zfs breaks read only issos
2021-05-13T22:32:01 #kisslinux <riteo> s/issos/isos/
2021-05-13T22:32:01 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> you proved that zfs breaks read only isos
2021-05-13T22:32:20 #kisslinux <riteo> now time to use this property to break the world
2021-05-13T22:32:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> :(
2021-05-13T22:32:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I reccomend migadu or mailbox.org
2021-05-13T22:33:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> doesn't help that apparently qemu doesn't like efi which is all I know anymore and grub is being... dificil...
2021-05-13T22:33:18 #kisslinux <riteo> wait how
2021-05-13T22:33:20 #kisslinux <acheam> migadu has a steep student discount
2021-05-13T22:33:29 #kisslinux <riteo> how doesn't it like efi?
2021-05-13T22:33:32 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: my demands are a service
2021-05-13T22:33:34 #kisslinux <kqz>  hah, yep, i refuse to deal with grub ever again now that i'm confident with efistub
2021-05-13T22:33:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-05-13T22:33:45 #kisslinux <acheam> aaas
2021-05-13T22:33:49 #kisslinux <acheam> acheam as a service
2021-05-13T22:34:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know how to make qemu boot an ISO as UEFI is what I mean
2021-05-13T22:34:03 #kisslinux <acheam> ass-pain as a service
2021-05-13T22:34:09 #kisslinux <riteo> lol
2021-05-13T22:34:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> and qemu --help was so impossible to read I didn't feel like it
2021-05-13T22:34:21 #kisslinux <riteo> lol I feel you
2021-05-13T22:34:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> afterall i am only like 4% invested in testing this
2021-05-13T22:36:18 #kisslinux <riteo> btw I think that I'll go with mailbox since it's cheap and njalla if I can afford it, but that's all up to the mercy of my parents
2021-05-13T22:37:30 #kisslinux <riteo> in the worst case I'll have just a riteo⊙mo email, but I'm really really tired to have phantom emails just because I might have not migrated all my accounts to the new one yet.
2021-05-13T22:37:42 #kisslinux <riteo> a domain should fix this issue once and for all
2021-05-13T22:38:13 #kisslinux <riteo> Well, thanks for all your suggestions! I have to go for now, cya later!