2021-05-17T00:08:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, C is great at making me feel like I'm doing stuff wrong :v
2021-05-17T00:11:16 #kisslinux <acheam> whys that?
2021-05-17T00:12:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> figured I'd take a crack at writing a vertical histogram to fulfill exercise 1-14 in K&R, and I'm using a lot of for loops to draw the graph's bounds.
2021-05-17T00:12:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> even though I know that there's not really a much better method to do that, it just *feels* clunky
2021-05-17T00:13:22 #kisslinux <acheam> oh right
2021-05-17T00:13:23 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-05-17T00:13:33 #kisslinux <acheam> everything in C seems to feel hacky
2021-05-17T00:13:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sure that once I learn more data structures and a few useful algorithms it'll feel more natural
2021-05-17T00:14:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> as it stands, I'm content with the progress I've made
2021-05-17T00:14:19 #kisslinux <acheam> that reminds me that I need to learn about linked lists
2021-05-17T00:14:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything works so far, except actually filling in the histogram, but I already have an idea on doing that
2021-05-17T00:14:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-05-17T00:14:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a pretty good computerphile video about linked lists
2021-05-17T00:14:36 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks
2021-05-17T00:14:44 #kisslinux <acheam> are you just printing to stdout?
2021-05-17T00:15:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah. you don't learn about file !/O in chapter one
2021-05-17T00:15:34 #kisslinux <acheam> are you doing all the excersises? I've heard they can be brutal
2021-05-17T00:16:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sorry, pidgin crashed
2021-05-17T00:16:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and yeah, I'm trying to do all the exercises
2021-05-17T00:16:38 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-05-17T00:18:17 #kisslinux <midfavila2> gfdi
2021-05-17T00:18:21 #kisslinux <acheam> woah
2021-05-17T00:18:24 #kisslinux <acheam> an unseen power
2021-05-17T00:18:26 #kisslinux <midfavila2> maybe once I learn enough C I can fix this fucking client
2021-05-17T00:18:29 #kisslinux <acheam> 3 of them!
2021-05-17T00:18:36 #kisslinux <midfavila2> i'm gonna run out of shadow clones soon
2021-05-17T00:18:43 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila3 next?
2021-05-17T00:18:54 #kisslinux <midfavila2> i don't think I actually have that nick registered lmao
2021-05-17T00:19:13 #kisslinux <acheam> well get better prepared then
2021-05-17T00:19:14 #kisslinux <midfavila2> anyway
2021-05-17T00:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila2> to try and finish my FUCKING message, Pidgin
2021-05-17T00:19:32 #kisslinux <acheam> idk why you don't just use erc
2021-05-17T00:20:03 #kisslinux <midfavila2> if I'm to work within the constraints of what the book has covered so far, I only have put/getchar, for/while loops, ints/chars/floats, printf, and arrays
2021-05-17T00:20:16 #kisslinux <midfavila2> and I don't use erc because I don't want to have multiple windows open to do the same thing
2021-05-17T00:20:19 #kisslinux <midfavila2> especially on my laptop
2021-05-17T00:20:23 #kisslinux <midfavila2> screen realestate is limited
2021-05-17T00:21:06 #kisslinux <acheam> thats pretty limited
2021-05-17T00:21:14 #kisslinux <acheam> might as well just forget libc
2021-05-17T00:21:23 #kisslinux <acheam> write yer own
2021-05-17T00:21:34 #kisslinux <midfavila2> i mean, you don't get anything beyond the basics of stdio
2021-05-17T00:21:36 #kisslinux <midfavila2> so uh, yeah
2021-05-17T00:21:54 #kisslinux <acheam> so forgo everything but stdio.h
2021-05-17T00:22:05 #kisslinux <midfavila2> yup.
2021-05-17T00:23:24 #kisslinux <riteo> crazy
2021-05-17T00:23:51 #kisslinux <riteo> and that is one of the first exercises, right?
2021-05-17T00:24:03 #kisslinux <riteo> midfavila by the end of the book will become a C god
2021-05-17T00:24:10 #kisslinux <midfavila2> yeah, it's one of the earlier ones
2021-05-17T00:30:43 #kisslinux <midfavila2> i'm thinking of writing a section that compares the value of my counter, c, to the value of the ar array's element equal to the ascii character I'm trying to fill in...
2021-05-17T00:30:55 #kisslinux <midfavila2> but not entirely sure of how the math will work, with only an array and a counter.
2021-05-17T00:31:00 #kisslinux <midfavila2> gonna work on it some more tomorrow
2021-05-17T00:31:25 #kisslinux <riteo> good choice
2021-05-17T00:31:43 #kisslinux <riteo> I have no idea what time is it over there, but never program late if you don't feel like to
2021-05-17T00:31:52 #kisslinux <riteo> you'll only make a mess that you'll have to fix tomorrow, wasting more time
2021-05-17T00:31:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't listen to him
2021-05-17T00:32:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> only program at 3am after seven beers
2021-05-17T00:32:15 #kisslinux <midfavila2> i don't drink
2021-05-17T00:32:17 #kisslinux <riteo> that's a good plan too actually
2021-05-17T00:32:18 #kisslinux <riteo> same
2021-05-17T00:32:18 #kisslinux <midfavila2> guess I'll never program
2021-05-17T00:32:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> well you're gonna start
2021-05-17T00:32:39 #kisslinux <midfavila2> you're gonna have to tie me down first
2021-05-17T00:32:41 #kisslinux <riteo> there are two ways you can develop: after a good sleep and at 3am
2021-05-17T00:32:45 #kisslinux <midfavila2> uwuuwuwuwuwuwwuwuuwwuwu
2021-05-17T00:32:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> You better start believin' in programming induced alcoholism girlie; you're livin in it
2021-05-17T00:32:54 #kisslinux <riteo> also, if you're gonna make something literally impossible always develop at 3am
2021-05-17T00:33:12 #kisslinux <riteo> you won't understand anything the day after, but you will have done things considered impossible the night before
2021-05-17T00:33:17 #kisslinux <midfavila2> i mean
2021-05-17T00:33:23 #kisslinux <riteo> and they will work 100%, I'm not joking
2021-05-17T00:33:24 #kisslinux <midfavila2> if some of my scripts are anything to go off of, yes
2021-05-17T00:33:28 #kisslinux <midfavila2> that's correct
2021-05-17T00:33:32 #kisslinux <riteo> yes
2021-05-17T00:34:04 #kisslinux <riteo> never tried alcohol but I've heard that it makes you a god
2021-05-17T00:34:09 #kisslinux <riteo> dilyn: >girlie
2021-05-17T00:34:20 #kisslinux <riteo> I'm now 100x more confused about mid's gendeer now
2021-05-17T00:34:26 #kisslinux <riteo> s/gendeer /gender/
2021-05-17T00:34:26 #kisslinux <movzbl> <riteo> I'm now 100x more confused about mid's gendernow
2021-05-17T00:34:29 #kisslinux <riteo> fuck
2021-05-17T00:35:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-05-17T00:35:08 #kisslinux <riteo> mid in my head is an holy being made of weird laptops, powered by nothing but a kiss install
2021-05-17T00:35:13 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-17T00:36:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean that's basically it
2021-05-17T00:36:52 #kisslinux <midfavila2> i am a genderless being, made of nothing but obscure hardware held together by irony and existentialism
2021-05-17T00:37:23 #kisslinux <acheam> its honestly kind of impressive how accurate of a depiction you created
2021-05-17T00:38:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking fantastic
2021-05-17T00:38:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it crashed AGAIN
2021-05-17T00:38:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's four times in what, twenty minutes
2021-05-17T00:39:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> wanna trade problems mid
2021-05-17T00:39:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> I can't get this webcam to work come fix it for me :v
2021-05-17T00:39:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, webcams are easy
2021-05-17T00:40:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i once spent a few days fucking around with an old PS Eye
2021-05-17T00:40:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was... interesting
2021-05-17T00:40:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's actually not the worst device, especially considering they're like six bucks
2021-05-17T00:40:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> I should just go to target and by a c920 tbh
2021-05-17T00:40:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> >target
2021-05-17T00:40:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> target is bae
2021-05-17T00:40:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i thought americans only shopped at walmart and whole foods
2021-05-17T00:40:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-05-17T00:41:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> only time I've shopped at wally world in the last ten years was because I was trapped in butt fuck nowhere Tennessee and I needed cat food
2021-05-17T00:41:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> trash business, bad times
2021-05-17T00:41:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to stop shopping at walmart
2021-05-17T00:42:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> whole foods is owned by amazon so it's roughly equivalent to the son of satan, or something
2021-05-17T00:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a couple local butchers and a bakery that I can go to
2021-05-17T00:42:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure where to get dairy though...
2021-05-17T00:42:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> #shoplocal #becomecommunist
2021-05-17T00:42:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> buy your own cow!
2021-05-17T00:42:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> socialism, *maybe*
2021-05-17T00:42:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, I will not own the means of milk production
2021-05-17T00:42:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> agrarian
2021-05-17T01:27:41 #kisslinux <riteo> well, gtg
2021-05-17T01:27:45 #kisslinux <riteo> bye!
2021-05-17T01:33:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> .... so my webcam is identified by lspci, but no module is loaded for it. so something is in my kernel config that is doing voodoo I don't approve of
2021-05-17T01:59:34 #kisslinux <konimex> lspci from pciutils or busybox?
2021-05-17T02:06:56 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting behavior of busybox ash: it will call busybox commands even if its not in PATH
2021-05-17T02:07:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> pciutils
2021-05-17T02:08:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's probably because they're all internal to bb huh
2021-05-17T02:08:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> where are ggg and muevoid when I need them
2021-05-17T02:08:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> they both got this damn camera working smh
2021-05-17T02:31:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> another Pidgin bites the dust
2021-05-17T02:43:41 #kisslinux <acheam> jesus
2021-05-17T02:43:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't know why it's so unstable tonight
2021-05-17T02:48:36 #kisslinux <konimex> pciutils has a maintained database for a lot of devices, which is (probably) why it knows the device is a webcam even if the driver is not installed
2021-05-17T03:25:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes, probably...
2021-05-17T03:25:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> sigh
2021-05-17T03:25:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> this whole experience frustrated me so much i looked into webcams and mics and now i'm depressed because I shouldn't have sold my dslr all those years ago :'(
2021-05-17T04:06:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> ho hum harum. if a package has a make dep and that package has a make dep, but both are in .cache/kiss/bin, kiss will install both before building the package
2021-05-17T04:06:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> how cute.
2021-05-17T04:06:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-05-17T04:09:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-05-17T05:09:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> anyone encountered the bug where kiss just dies when you try to install a built package ? i think it happens if package is in pwd but not in other repos, cant repro tho
2021-05-17T05:09:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> same with removal
2021-05-17T13:06:36 #kisslinux <aws> hello o/
2021-05-17T13:07:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-05-17T13:14:14 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> hi
2021-05-17T13:39:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> huzzah
2021-05-17T13:39:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've done it
2021-05-17T13:39:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've written a shitty C histogram generator
2021-05-17T13:40:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-jEh.txt
2021-05-17T13:40:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> bow before its incredibly detailed output.
2021-05-17T13:42:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-05-17T13:44:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll be writing kernel modules in no time
2021-05-17T13:49:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe you can tell me why this small bit of C doesn't do what I think it should mid http://ix.io/3mCd
2021-05-17T13:50:11 #kisslinux <merakor> I've been patching the hell out of lariza for the last two days, it's so fun
2021-05-17T13:50:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-05-17T13:50:38 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: WHAT DID YOU SAY
2021-05-17T13:50:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> I said excellent work, do you need any help with that?
2021-05-17T13:51:03 #kisslinux <merakor> lmao, I was expecting you to repeat it
2021-05-17T13:51:29 #kisslinux <merakor> I'm kind of disappointed
2021-05-17T13:51:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've not worked with scanf so I dunno, dilyn
2021-05-17T13:51:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you don't need to use a variable for temperatureC
2021-05-17T13:52:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can perform the calculation to print it inside of a printf statement
2021-05-17T13:52:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> seems to be working fine
2021-05-17T13:52:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you'll have an issue with overflows though
2021-05-17T13:52:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> sorray merakor
2021-05-17T13:52:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's not supposed to be *good* code
2021-05-17T13:52:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem is that it doesn't prompt until after I enter a temperature, and then it just prints everything and converts. which is incorrect
2021-05-17T13:53:26 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: With that mentality you should maintain Portage or something
2021-05-17T13:53:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only solution I can come up with here is that the little lesson series on Pluralsight my work is paying for is just bad :)
2021-05-17T13:53:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-05-17T13:53:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> fwiw
2021-05-17T13:53:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfaooo it's literally the first lesson
2021-05-17T13:53:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> K&R page fifteen covers this
2021-05-17T13:53:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's basically just to familiarize you with ints, stdio, and main
2021-05-17T13:54:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-05-17T13:54:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> why is your main function returning things
2021-05-17T13:54:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> shouldn't it be of type void?
2021-05-17T13:54:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> since, you know, you're not actually doing anything
2021-05-17T13:54:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> (outside of main)
2021-05-17T13:54:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean
2021-05-17T13:54:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> again
2021-05-17T13:54:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think the pluralsight series i'm using is bad
2021-05-17T13:54:59 #kisslinux <merakor> There are like 3 people in this entire channel who does *good* C code
2021-05-17T13:55:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is mostly me asking to confirm
2021-05-17T13:55:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> merakor tell me why it's bad
2021-05-17T13:55:14 #kisslinux <merakor> One is E5ten and illiliti
2021-05-17T13:55:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> SAVE ME CEM
2021-05-17T13:55:22 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT MYSELF
2021-05-17T13:55:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> calm down ladies
2021-05-17T13:55:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-05-17T13:55:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> you both write very good C
2021-05-17T13:55:54 #kisslinux <merakor> Aw, did you try sysmgr tho
2021-05-17T13:56:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> I write zero C
2021-05-17T13:56:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but shut up.
2021-05-17T13:56:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> this code was literally copy-pasted from the slide, and it doesn't do what he says it should lmao
2021-05-17T13:56:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> you write C now.
2021-05-17T13:56:35 #kisslinux <Rio6> you might need fflush(stdout) after printing without a newline
2021-05-17T13:56:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> both printfs are on the same line, yes
2021-05-17T13:57:02 #kisslinux <Rio6> that's what this SO says at least https://stackoverflow.com/a/1716621/6023997
2021-05-17T13:58:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> well making the first printf add a newline makes it print and THEN prompt
2021-05-17T13:58:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhmhm
2021-05-17T13:58:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is just simply a bad lecture series, so now my account will say "started C, promptly gave up"
2021-05-17T13:58:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> :(
2021-05-17T13:59:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> tell your work to literally just buy you a copy of K&R
2021-05-17T13:59:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> also am I not using a variable for temperatureC? Because if that is not how I would do it, I need to stop using this series asap :X
2021-05-17T13:59:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> even just messing around with the first bit of chapter one now and again, I've learned a lot
2021-05-17T13:59:59 #kisslinux <Rio6> for me, online tutorials are often easier to read than lectures, for learning a new language at least
2021-05-17T14:00:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol I'll just use the ansi C book my girlfriend lent me
2021-05-17T14:00:08 #kisslinux <Rio6> not saying not all tutorials are good
2021-05-17T14:00:16 #kisslinux <Rio6> *not saying all
2021-05-17T14:00:29 #kisslinux <merakor> Alright dilyn, https://termbin.com/m8b3e
2021-05-17T14:00:40 #kisslinux <merakor> When in doubt print to stderr
2021-05-17T14:00:54 #kisslinux * merakor shrugs in dumb C
2021-05-17T14:01:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dilyn I noticed some systems don't need the fflush(), for example my WSL Ubuntu install doesn't
2021-05-17T14:01:43 #kisslinux <Rio6> prints to stdin
2021-05-17T14:01:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> everything is dum
2021-05-17T14:02:21 #kisslinux <merakor> That's a wise thing to say
2021-05-17T14:02:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i was looking at https://github.com/eduard-permyakov/BitFiend a few days ago and ran into exactly that issue with its CLI
2021-05-17T14:02:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> see now that code block works exactly how they say it should!
2021-05-17T14:03:48 #kisslinux <merakor> It works with puts()
2021-05-17T14:03:56 #kisslinux <merakor> Idk, I don't understand stdio
2021-05-17T14:03:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> merakor is that because stderr is always ubuffered?
2021-05-17T14:04:04 #kisslinux <phoebos> puts adds a n
2021-05-17T14:04:09 #kisslinux <merakor> Yup
2021-05-17T14:04:14 #kisslinux <phoebos> :/
2021-05-17T14:04:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> well so the entering of a value should be inline with the printf
2021-05-17T14:04:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> let's see what printf actually looks like!
2021-05-17T14:04:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> BSD stdio.h works with dilyn's original thingy
2021-05-17T14:04:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> but not musl :X
2021-05-17T14:05:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> LMFAO
2021-05-17T14:05:11 #kisslinux <merakor> ominous_anonymou: I'm not quite sure why it works with stderr and not stdout
2021-05-17T14:05:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> the issue reveals itself
2021-05-17T14:05:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Did we find a musl bug with dumb beginner slides
2021-05-17T14:05:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> lmaooo
2021-05-17T14:05:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh thats why it worked for me, i'm on glibc
2021-05-17T14:06:29 #kisslinux <merakor> That's actually funny if it's true
2021-05-17T14:06:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> this is amusing
2021-05-17T14:07:11 #kisslinux <Rio6> I think it's happened to me on python or something before, where I have to flush stdout if I'm not printing newline
2021-05-17T14:08:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm more inclined to think that musl is in general correct, and this really just demonstrates poor practices on the part of whoever wrote this lecture series lmao
2021-05-17T14:08:44 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, that's probably true
2021-05-17T14:09:10 #kisslinux <merakor> There is no way this basic thing can be a musl bug
2021-05-17T14:09:44 #kisslinux * merakor looks around for validation
2021-05-17T14:10:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's a ~feature~
2021-05-17T14:10:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-17T14:10:27 #kisslinux <merakor> That's the spirit
2021-05-17T14:10:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know that I've ever seen printf used with just a single string tho
2021-05-17T14:10:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's more correct, or something
2021-05-17T14:10:48 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Do I need to install xorg before I start installing kde?
2021-05-17T14:10:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's always been somethign like %format, "thing"
2021-05-17T14:10:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i confirmed it "doesn't work" on musl alpine
2021-05-17T14:11:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> you should install xorg-server before plasma-desktop, but if you jump straight to plasma-desktop xorg-server will eventually be pulled in
2021-05-17T14:11:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think I just shouldn't trust a C lecture series in Windows
2021-05-17T14:12:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> time to open this book!
2021-05-17T14:12:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> eww glibc printf implementation is 3.5x size of musl printf
2021-05-17T14:12:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/513926/what-controls-the-buffering-of-stdout-stderr
2021-05-17T14:12:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> if im looking at the correct file
2021-05-17T14:12:30 #kisslinux <merakor> puts() is overall better if you aren't doing some special thing
2021-05-17T14:13:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> merakor: how come?
2021-05-17T14:13:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> it puts the line on the screen or else it gets the flush again
2021-05-17T14:13:41 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I was trying to install kauth and kscreenlocker but it gave me an error 2
2021-05-17T14:13:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> just cos it takes a *char?
2021-05-17T14:13:50 #kisslinux <merakor> phoebos: It's 2 letters smaller and adds a "n"
2021-05-17T14:13:54 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> can I just install kde-desktop?
2021-05-17T14:13:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-05-17T14:13:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> lmao
2021-05-17T14:13:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> what was the error jason?
2021-05-17T14:14:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> send th elog
2021-05-17T14:16:34 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I am not at my pc
2021-05-17T14:17:02 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> it took so long to compile kscreenlocker and kauth but at the end it just gives me error 2
2021-05-17T14:18:09 #kisslinux <Rio6> there should be an error message burried somewhere
2021-05-17T14:19:31 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Do I need to install kauth and kscreenlocker?
2021-05-17T14:24:29 #kisslinux <illiliti> does anyone use KISS_CHOICE ?
2021-05-17T14:24:59 #kisslinux <Rio6> jason123santa[m]: I don' use kde so not too sure :shrug:
2021-05-17T14:25:01 #kisslinux <merakor> I'm pretty sure nobody does
2021-05-17T14:25:18 #kisslinux <Rio6> I don't even remember what KISS_CHOICE does :P
2021-05-17T14:25:37 #kisslinux <merakor> If you disable it package installation fails when there are conflicting files
2021-05-17T14:25:44 #kisslinux <merakor> Instead of using the alternatives system
2021-05-17T14:25:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-05-17T14:26:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS_CHOICE is default on
2021-05-17T14:26:16 #kisslinux <Rio6> ah ok
2021-05-17T14:26:24 #kisslinux <merakor> It was default off when it was added
2021-05-17T14:26:32 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Are there any other desktop environments besides kde?
2021-05-17T14:26:59 #kisslinux <claudia02> merakor2: What did you changed in lariza?
2021-05-17T14:27:21 #kisslinux <Rio6> I remember seeing a xfce repo somewhere
2021-05-17T14:27:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> jason: you "need" kauth and kscreenlocker but they don't do much unless you have shadow/pam/elogind
2021-05-17T14:27:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'd recommend pantheon :o
2021-05-17T14:28:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> periish has xfce4 packaged
2021-05-17T14:28:03 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Does pantheon work correctly on kiss?
2021-05-17T14:29:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> jason123santa[m]: This is super niche. You most likely just have to try it out and work through the repo.
2021-05-17T14:29:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think anybody besides eudald has used it
2021-05-17T14:29:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> though I have a strong inclination to try it
2021-05-17T14:29:41 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I will try it
2021-05-17T14:29:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> pantheon is part of enlightenment, right?
2021-05-17T14:29:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> if so, very much recommended
2021-05-17T14:30:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not big on eyecandy but in terms of technical performance enlightenment gets two thumbs up
2021-05-17T14:30:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and their terminal emulator is super cool
2021-05-17T14:30:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's from elementaryOS
2021-05-17T14:30:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> E17 requires dbus afaik :(
2021-05-17T14:31:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...Does it? I don't recall that...
2021-05-17T14:31:50 #kisslinux <merakor2> claudia02 I added search function, a permission-request widget and changed some keybinds
2021-05-17T14:32:14 #kisslinux <merakor2> When I add bookmarks, I'll be happy with
2021-05-17T14:32:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i really, really like lariza
2021-05-17T14:32:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only problem with it is that it's webkit
2021-05-17T14:32:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-05-17T14:33:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> replace webkit with dillo or links or something and I'm happy.
2021-05-17T14:33:15 #kisslinux <claudia02> Oh that sounds nice. Can you share how you changed the keybindings? I would love to have something else for scrolling(ctrl + j/k)
2021-05-17T14:33:20 #kisslinux <phoebos> yay dillo
2021-05-17T14:33:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I were to write a browser it would be heavily inspired by dillo
2021-05-17T14:34:05 #kisslinux <claudia02> merakor2: You can have bookmarks for lariza with something simple like this.
2021-05-17T14:34:07 #kisslinux <claudia02> http://ix.io/3n6Q
2021-05-17T14:34:54 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Is the openbox menu generator and the tint2 panel in the repos?
2021-05-17T14:35:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah if webkit didn't have a chaotic collection of dependencies I would jump on it
2021-05-17T14:35:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, the other problem for me is that webkit just...
2021-05-17T14:35:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking sucks?
2021-05-17T14:35:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> sucking fucks?
2021-05-17T14:35:34 #kisslinux <claudia02> You can have a adblock plugin written in rust ^^
2021-05-17T14:35:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, it's not very good. at all.
2021-05-17T14:36:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> gstreamer is ass, gtk3 is garbage, it uses a metric fuckton of memory, it's *slow*, and it breaks all the time.
2021-05-17T14:37:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> webkit doesnt even work for me
2021-05-17T14:37:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> didn't on x11, doesn't on wayland
2021-05-17T14:37:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> just blank page
2021-05-17T14:37:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but it worked in chroot somehow
2021-05-17T14:38:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> (with the same bin)
2021-05-17T14:38:49 #kisslinux <claudia02> thats hard
2021-05-17T14:38:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lol that's quite a quirk
2021-05-17T14:39:24 #kisslinux <merakor2> claudia02  ah well that makes sense I made it complex in my mind
2021-05-17T14:39:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> if i tried it on wayland without the WPE thing then it just segfaulted, building with wpe same behaviour as x11
2021-05-17T14:40:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/segfaulted/segfaulted on any js site
2021-05-17T14:40:32 #kisslinux <claudia02> testuser_[m]: You tested with latest version(without patches)?
2021-05-17T14:40:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-05-17T14:40:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its just cursed
2021-05-17T14:41:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so only option is chromium for occasional js site visits, otherwise links
2021-05-17T14:43:04 #kisslinux <merakor2> Maybe something to do with mesa?
2021-05-17T14:43:17 #kisslinux <merakor2> That was my problem last time
2021-05-17T14:43:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use pale moon for javashit sites
2021-05-17T14:43:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> im using nivea drovers
2021-05-17T14:43:40 #kisslinux <merakor2> Novideo
2021-05-17T14:43:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> reject nvidia, retvrn to matrox
2021-05-17T14:44:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> embrace the g200 pilot
2021-05-17T14:46:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is there an image viewer for wayland other than "imv"
2021-05-17T14:46:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it needs icu for whatever reason
2021-05-17T14:47:57 #kisslinux <kqz> i just use mpv
2021-05-17T14:49:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cool
2021-05-17T14:49:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is there equivalent of X's `-ardelay`  ?
2021-05-17T14:52:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> >he doesn't use ffplay --no-autoexit for displaying images
2021-05-17T14:52:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> the absolute state of kqz
2021-05-17T14:52:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> I believe that would be compositor dependent testuser
2021-05-17T14:53:53 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah it's different for each compositor, for example here's how to do that on sway https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki#keyboard-repeat-delay-and-rate
2021-05-17T14:54:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> thanks
2021-05-17T14:54:35 #kisslinux <kqz> midfavila: oh neat never even thought about using ffplay
2021-05-17T14:54:51 #kisslinux <kqz> though i have my mpv set up pretty nice for images at this point
2021-05-17T14:55:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> anything mpv can do, ffplay can too
2021-05-17T14:55:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just a bit clunky
2021-05-17T14:55:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, in the future, I'd like to remove ffmpeg from my systems
2021-05-17T14:55:55 #kisslinux <kqz> lol do you forsee not ingesting multimedia content in the future? ;p
2021-05-17T14:56:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-05-17T14:56:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i forsee myself writing a hipster music player and video player that use libraries directly
2021-05-17T14:56:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of going through ffmpeg
2021-05-17T14:56:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> foresee. fuck.
2021-05-17T14:57:06 #kisslinux <kqz> spelling is overrated
2021-05-17T14:57:16 #kisslinux <kqz> but yeah that sounds like a rather...big goal
2021-05-17T14:57:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-05-17T14:57:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> *ultimately*
2021-05-17T14:57:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like to write my own DE
2021-05-17T14:57:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> because the existing systems piss me off
2021-05-17T14:57:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> a lot
2021-05-17T14:58:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if that requires I write a browser, a file manager, a terminal, a shell, and whatever the fuck else, then I will
2021-05-17T14:58:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if they suck at first
2021-05-17T14:58:26 #kisslinux <Rio6> who needs a file manager
2021-05-17T14:58:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> because *ultimately*, the goal is to suck less
2021-05-17T14:58:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I need a file manager
2021-05-17T14:58:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I have a tablet PC
2021-05-17T14:58:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what are you gonna base the browser on
2021-05-17T14:58:53 #kisslinux <Rio6> :P
2021-05-17T14:58:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> webshit and gecko are garbage
2021-05-17T14:58:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I was going to write a browser myself it would either use its own bespoke engine
2021-05-17T14:59:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> or it would be derived from Links or Dillo
2021-05-17T14:59:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-05-17T14:59:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> all I need is like, HTML3, some of HTML4, and the basics of CSS
2021-05-17T14:59:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> the core feature would be that the browser actually doesn't do shit on its own other than format html
2021-05-17T14:59:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead it would use external tools to do things like fetch files
2021-05-17T14:59:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> or play back media
2021-05-17T14:59:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-05-17T15:00:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing would be in the browser itself
2021-05-17T15:00:19 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah wish i could just do away with javascript, but i wouldn't be able to do any work / school stuff :(
2021-05-17T15:00:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have a seperate machine that I use for nothing but school
2021-05-17T15:01:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've actually lost track of how many computers I have kicking around at this point
2021-05-17T15:01:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...mind you, only two of them are any *good*
2021-05-17T15:07:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> merakor: scripts probably don't respect functions in .shrc huh
2021-05-17T15:07:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> scripts don't inherit anything from your dotfiles afaik
2021-05-17T15:07:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> unless invoked by a shell that's already sourced them
2021-05-17T15:08:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-05-17T15:08:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you need to inherit stuff, you can literally just source the rc on invocation
2021-05-17T15:09:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have to source it in the script. less than ideal
2021-05-17T15:09:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think there might be a shell flag you can set
2021-05-17T15:09:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> also not ideal
2021-05-17T15:09:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn, shell is the definition of not ideal
2021-05-17T15:09:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> i had a thought for aarng's sed -i replacement
2021-05-17T15:10:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it doesn't work if extra things have to be done :v
2021-05-17T15:10:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> hence 'not ideal'
2021-05-17T15:10:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> why not just write a kiss extension that converts build scripts into ones that don't require sed -i
2021-05-17T15:10:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss-sconvert
2021-05-17T15:10:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-05-17T15:11:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually
2021-05-17T15:11:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss* shouldn't modify pkg build scripts
2021-05-17T15:11:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> you could probably just do that with find
2021-05-17T15:11:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> adding sed-i as a kiss-* would be something
2021-05-17T15:12:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss-sed: sed but in shell script
2021-05-17T15:12:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-17T15:12:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think there is good reason sed is not sh...
2021-05-17T15:13:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> because sh is a trash language
2021-05-17T15:13:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you know what, dilyn
2021-05-17T15:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> sh is *our* trash language
2021-05-17T15:13:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> #notmytrash
2021-05-17T15:15:40 #kisslinux <kqz> could it be installed as a shell alias somehow? that's how im using his script atm
2021-05-17T15:16:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-05-17T15:16:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem with aliases et al is that scripts don't respect them
2021-05-17T15:16:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you can only put it somewhere and override in path
2021-05-17T15:17:05 #kisslinux <kqz> hmm
2021-05-17T15:17:25 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah packaging it seems like it's going to be tough
2021-05-17T15:18:23 #kisslinux <kqz> i have $HOME/bin at the end of my path (because i dont want it to be able to override anything) and then just an "alias sed="sh /home/bin/sed"
2021-05-17T15:19:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> why sh /home/bin/sed?
2021-05-17T15:19:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> you should be able to just run it directly
2021-05-17T15:20:15 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah no reason for the extra verbosity, just didn't have enough caffeine yet ;p
2021-05-17T15:20:43 #kisslinux <kqz> works well though, sbase sed doesn't seem to have any problems now
2021-05-17T15:20:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-17T15:21:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I should try that out, if it works
2021-05-17T16:20:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only thing that I dislike about trackballs:
2021-05-17T16:20:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> they require regular maintenance
2021-05-17T16:52:21 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I am trying to install polkit and its giving me the error
2021-05-17T16:52:40 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> make: *** [Makefile:438: all] Error 2
2021-05-17T16:57:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> what's the actual error, probably somewhere near "waiting for unfinished jobs"
2021-05-17T16:59:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> you can look in the log, which'll be in ~/.cache/kiss/logs/
2021-05-17T17:08:02 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> it says this
2021-05-17T17:08:06 #kisslinux * jason123santa[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/mzMkjqYQvplpmzXrMpCypBRd/message.txt >
2021-05-17T17:08:23 #kisslinux * midfavila coughs in CFLAGS
2021-05-17T17:08:29 #kisslinux * jason123santa[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gafRgIGEtNNyLgaXdPKdtKek/message.txt >
2021-05-17T17:19:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyone here running the gold linker?
2021-05-17T17:26:42 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I don't know if I am using LTO
2021-05-17T17:30:34 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: I thought you were?
2021-05-17T17:30:37 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't it the clang default?
2021-05-17T17:30:45 #kisslinux <acheam> or at least the default on most clang-default operating systmes
2021-05-17T17:31:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, I'm using bfd
2021-05-17T17:31:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> last time I tried gold it seemed unstable
2021-05-17T17:32:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> jason: build the musl in KISS-kde/extra
2021-05-17T17:32:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> it uses a patch for innetgr (and I still need to fix our polkit patch to eliminate this smh)
2021-05-17T17:33:57 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> So I have to build musl in the kde kiss repo?
2021-05-17T17:34:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-05-17T17:34:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I am midfavila
2021-05-17T17:34:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I think you mean lld acheam
2021-05-17T17:34:11 #kisslinux <aarng>  /2
2021-05-17T17:34:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> has gold ever caused build failure for you testuser_[m]?
2021-05-17T17:34:33 #kisslinux <aarng> s/.*//
2021-05-17T17:34:34 #kisslinux <movzbl> <aarng>
2021-05-17T17:34:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> can you build kernels with it?
2021-05-17T17:35:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I can even build chromium with it, only musl doesn't build with it
2021-05-17T17:35:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> And the kernel
2021-05-17T17:36:14 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> So all I have to do is put KISS-kde/extra to kiss path and then run kiss b musl?
2021-05-17T17:36:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would have to be before repo/core, but yes
2021-05-17T17:36:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could also just cd into KISS-kde/extra/musl and do kiss b
2021-05-17T17:38:27 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I think I all ready have the core repo in kiss path so I can cd into the musl directory
2021-05-17T17:38:49 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> musl is all ready in kiss
2021-05-17T17:38:57 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> so why do i have to build it?
2021-05-17T17:39:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> because it includes a patch to define innetgr in musl that is required for a patch we use for polkit that allows us to not need mozjs
2021-05-17T17:40:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a patch somebody submitted to the musl mailing list a few years ago that was ultimately rejected because there is a 'better way', but I have been too busy to focus on that
2021-05-17T17:40:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> ultimately I just want that requirement to not exist, which should require a very small bit of patching to the patch. But it's a bit complicated code-wise and I think I basically need to stub it out, but alas.
2021-05-17T17:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-17T17:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I guess I'll try gold
2021-05-17T17:42:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> if my stuff breaks I blame you, testuser_[m]
2021-05-17T17:42:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> gold is wicked fast. do it do it do it
2021-05-17T17:42:37 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I will try building musl
2021-05-17T17:45:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> lld is faster
2021-05-17T17:45:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> :P
2021-05-17T17:45:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> lld depends on llvm
2021-05-17T17:45:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> yes, but llvm is installed
2021-05-17T17:45:20 #kisslinux <phoebos> bcs reasons
2021-05-17T17:45:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't care
2021-05-17T17:45:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-17T17:45:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> llvm is corporate garbage and I want as little dependent on it as possible
2021-05-17T17:45:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean lld is obviously the best linker
2021-05-17T17:45:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'corporate'
2021-05-17T17:46:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> i agree mid, but i still need some stuff which requires it
2021-05-17T17:46:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> so since i've got llvm, i can have lld
2021-05-17T17:46:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> so do I, but I'm minimizing it
2021-05-17T17:46:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> as it stands I'm not willing to give up 3D acceleration
2021-05-17T17:46:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> > mesa
2021-05-17T17:46:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, that's my point
2021-05-17T17:46:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> aye
2021-05-17T17:47:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I was willing to give up GPU acceleration on my workstation it wouldn't be a problem
2021-05-17T17:47:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but that's half the reason I got my current card
2021-05-17T17:47:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> :2021-05-17T17:47:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> what card have you got?
2021-05-17T17:47:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have never noticed a difference between a hardware accelerated browser and not
2021-05-17T17:47:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> WX5100
2021-05-17T17:48:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's not for browsing, it's for... other things.
2021-05-17T17:48:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> my browser is literally text-mode, anyway
2021-05-17T17:50:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. on the topic of optimizations, I wonder if profile-guided optimization would be worth it for stuff like GCC...
2021-05-17T17:50:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like it would be.
2021-05-17T17:50:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes
2021-05-17T17:51:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't it supposed to provide up to a 20% performance improvement?
2021-05-17T17:51:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmmmhmmmmmm
2021-05-17T17:51:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-17T17:51:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it's basically mandatory for a source based distro honestly
2021-05-17T17:51:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only problem is that I'm fucking lazy
2021-05-17T17:51:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and don't want to constantly change my cflags
2021-05-17T17:53:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> well PGO for gcc itself is super easy to do
2021-05-17T17:53:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> the hard part for doing it in general is coming up with the right profiling data
2021-05-17T17:53:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a nontrivial problem :(
2021-05-17T17:54:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> like I said, I'm lazy :p
2021-05-17T17:54:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> that sounds like a lot of work
2021-05-17T17:57:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Gcc pgo builds gcc like 1 min faster than non pgo gcc
2021-05-17T17:57:12 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> 20-30 sec for kernel
2021-05-17T17:57:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> gcc pgo is just doing https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/e4f9b897e6c3d7145aac90c4b85d3972d7399550/gcc/build
2021-05-17T17:58:21 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> But pgo gcc itself takes 34 min to build
2021-05-17T17:59:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-05-17T17:59:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> how long does a regular gcc take for you, testuser_[m]?
2021-05-17T18:00:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wouldn't want to trade any more than 50 or 60% increase in compile time for a 20% performance boost
2021-05-17T18:00:23 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> 2 min
2021-05-17T18:00:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> jesus fucking christ-
2021-05-17T18:01:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-05-17T18:01:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I don't know if I'm going to try that, especially if it applies to all packages...
2021-05-17T18:02:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> wym?
2021-05-17T18:03:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> if every package has a massive jump in compile time like that with PGO, then I don't know if it would be worth it
2021-05-17T18:04:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> the time to build PGO data for any given package just depends on the code paths you're going to be testing
2021-05-17T18:04:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> a foot pgo build takes very little time, for instance. mesa would take far longer
2021-05-17T18:04:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> makes sense, I suppose.
2021-05-17T18:04:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm.
2021-05-17T18:04:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> but building gcc with pgo doesn't impact whether the packages it builds has PGO; you would basically only ever see speed improvements when building with gcc pgo'd
2021-05-17T18:05:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then I suppose foot would benefit less
2021-05-17T18:05:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> in probably some cases it would regress, but that seems very unlikely. and probably very bad code...
2021-05-17T18:05:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> building foot with PGO and LTO is the developer recommended way; it's mostly fast and easy because the tests for building PGO data is so small
2021-05-17T18:09:20 #kisslinux * midfavila rubs their chin furiously
2021-05-17T18:09:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> h m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
2021-05-17T18:09:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> these are both things I will have to consider
2021-05-17T18:09:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> worst comes to worst I can set them in individual packages instead of globally
2021-05-17T18:10:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's not really a global thing you can set :X
2021-05-17T18:10:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> the tests are all dependent on the package itself
2021-05-17T18:10:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> LTO is easier to do globally. PGO requires a lot of intervention
2021-05-17T18:10:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I recall seeing GCC flags that controlled PGO...
2021-05-17T18:11:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, -fprofile-generate and -fprofile-use
2021-05-17T18:11:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> (to be clear I don't actually know much about PGO beyond "it exists" and "it can be tedious")
2021-05-17T18:12:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah so you have to do a build that allows for PGO data generation, generate that PGO (the compiler does not do it for you), and then rebuild it using the generated PGO data
2021-05-17T18:12:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, this is the bullshit I have to do for foot https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/blob/master/wayland/foot/build
2021-05-17T18:13:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...ew.
2021-05-17T18:13:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-05-17T18:14:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, uh, if it's more than fucking around with cflags then I'm not willing to put effort into it.
2021-05-17T18:14:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> doing it for something like mesa would be... challenging.
2021-05-17T18:14:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> doing it for compilers is basically trivial tho xD
2021-05-17T18:14:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> the compiler, sure, i'll probably do it for that
2021-05-17T18:14:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> because it basically just has to build itself three times and you're good to go
2021-05-17T18:14:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> https://gcc.gnu.org/install/build.html check here at the bottom for what it does
2021-05-17T18:15:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> some developers include some generic PGO data you can use. chromium does this, for instance
2021-05-17T18:15:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. 7% performance increase for GCC... is tempting.
2021-05-17T18:15:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Most stuff wouldn't even benefit much from pgo, only huge stuff
2021-05-17T18:16:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah, that's what I figure
2021-05-17T18:16:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> 7-20% performance increase is nothing for like, ls
2021-05-17T18:16:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> or ed
2021-05-17T18:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> but for a browser, or maybe latex or something...
2021-05-17T18:17:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> it also adds up across every build
2021-05-17T18:17:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> if one rarely rebuilds gcc, the time savings pile up
2021-05-17T18:17:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah. that's what I figured.
2021-05-17T18:17:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> of course, we mostly do it to brag about how cool our toolchains are
2021-05-17T18:17:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> "yeah I use a hipster linker and compiler with LTO and PGO, how could you tell"
2021-05-17T18:18:40 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Btw a heads up that using LLD with gnu toolchain does no LTO at all ever
2021-05-17T18:18:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> good thing I don't intend to use lld
2021-05-17T18:19:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-05-17T18:19:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> pesky llvm shill
2021-05-17T18:19:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> back to grand central station with you
2021-05-17T18:19:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> IU know what up doe
2021-05-17T18:20:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm. I'm still not sure what the cflags are for...
2021-05-17T18:20:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna have to read about that
2021-05-17T18:24:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam can our word of the day be GIMPLE
2021-05-17T18:24:56 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhh
2021-05-17T18:25:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/LinkTimeOptimization
2021-05-17T18:28:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid, just timed gcc builds
2021-05-17T18:28:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> 3m21s default, 21m41s PGO
2021-05-17T18:28:35 #kisslinux * midfavila grimaces
2021-05-17T18:28:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-05-17T18:28:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> is that with or without stink time optimization
2021-05-17T18:31:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless make profiledbootstrap does LTO, I didn't enable anything
2021-05-17T18:31:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, what the hell. the worst that happens is I waste some CPU time
2021-05-17T18:32:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna give it a shot. should be as simple as stealing your buildfile, yeah?
2021-05-17T18:33:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-05-17T18:34:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you wanted to make this a Real Experiment(tm) you'd time rebuilding your whole system before && after
2021-05-17T18:36:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> only time I rebuild is when I overhaul my cflags
2021-05-17T18:36:56 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> https://github.com/git-bruh/kissLTO/blob/master/repo/gcc/build for both lto pgo
2021-05-17T18:40:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> nice nice nice
2021-05-17T18:43:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: sotd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhVoP9CrlEU
2021-05-17T20:35:18 #kisslinux <bithov> hello :)
2021-05-17T20:36:40 #kisslinux <bithov> how's the audio support on KISS?
2021-05-17T20:37:02 #kisslinux <bithov> I tried Alpine+XFCE but I couldn't get PulseAudio and AlsaMixer to just work
2021-05-17T20:37:15 #kisslinux <bithov> ...like it does on debian based OS
2021-05-17T20:38:38 #kisslinux <acheam> its same as any linux distro
2021-05-17T20:38:45 #kisslinux <acheam> pulseaudio isn't used by default
2021-05-17T20:38:50 #kisslinux <acheam> but you can install it
2021-05-17T20:38:57 #kisslinux <bithov> how is audio by default
2021-05-17T20:39:04 #kisslinux <acheam> just ALSA
2021-05-17T20:39:15 #kisslinux <acheam> works fine for lots of people
2021-05-17T20:39:24 #kisslinux <bithov> what benefits do I get from using KISS over Alpine or Void?
2021-05-17T20:39:36 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss gives you much more freedom over how you use your system
2021-05-17T20:39:49 #kisslinux <bithov> is it actively maintained?
2021-05-17T20:39:53 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-17T20:39:58 #kisslinux <bithov> how many people?
2021-05-17T20:40:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-05-17T20:40:07 #kisslinux <acheam> by him!
2021-05-17T20:40:15 #kisslinux <bithov> ahhh I see
2021-05-17T20:40:22 #kisslinux <acheam> but theoretically, you don't need a maintainer
2021-05-17T20:40:41 #kisslinux <acheam> everything is possible by yourself
2021-05-17T20:40:42 #kisslinux <bithov> I'm not certain I'll switch, because I'm incredibly paranoid about using software that just dissapears one day
2021-05-17T20:40:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> we have a few dozen contributors to the community repo by my estimation
2021-05-17T20:40:52 #kisslinux <acheam> it won't disseapear one day
2021-05-17T20:41:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> if it *does* disappear, you're a single git revert #hash away from getting it back
2021-05-17T20:41:13 #kisslinux <acheam> our founder went off the radar 6 months ago, and were still thriving
2021-05-17T20:41:51 #kisslinux <acheam> there are too many ways of doing the same thing jn git
2021-05-17T20:41:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> a utility called kiss-repo-orphans will tell you if any installed packages are no longer in any repository
2021-05-17T20:42:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I would have used git reset for thag
2021-05-17T20:42:11 #kisslinux <acheam> that
2021-05-17T20:42:12 #kisslinux <bithov> could I switch out grub for syslinux or something like that?
2021-05-17T20:42:17 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-17T20:42:27 #kisslinux <acheam> you can switch out anything for anything
2021-05-17T20:42:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> the more 'irritating' part of KISS is getting all the software you want, though we're slowly making our way to a very comprehensive list...
2021-05-17T20:42:32 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss doesn't enforce anything
2021-05-17T20:42:39 #kisslinux <bithov> i really, really dislike gnu tools from a design standpoint, so that's nice
2021-05-17T20:42:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can brek the whole thing; https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/
2021-05-17T20:42:46 #kisslinux <acheam> see wyverkiss
2021-05-17T20:42:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-05-17T20:43:14 #kisslinux <acheam> hi phoebos
2021-05-17T20:43:20 #kisslinux <phoebos> hiya
2021-05-17T20:43:28 #kisslinux <bithov> now hold on
2021-05-17T20:43:39 #kisslinux <bithov> when I joined this, did it publish my public IP?
2021-05-17T20:43:44 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-17T20:43:46 #kisslinux <bithov> fuck
2021-05-17T20:43:50 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-17T20:44:08 #kisslinux <acheam> that's irc
2021-05-17T20:44:21 #kisslinux <bithov> obviously I'm not worried anyone will doing anything will do anything with it, but that was a dick move on IRC's part
2021-05-17T20:44:49 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, none of us have been ddosed
2021-05-17T20:44:59 #kisslinux <bithov> that's not the worry for me
2021-05-17T20:45:15 #kisslinux <bithov> it's more the ability to choose to conceal my IP for me
2021-05-17T20:45:21 #kisslinux <acheam> get a cloak if you want some slight protection
2021-05-17T20:45:35 #kisslinux <acheam> but that doesnt prevent someone intent on getting your ip
2021-05-17T20:46:00 #kisslinux <acheam> see if you "/whois acheam"
2021-05-17T20:46:18 #kisslinux <acheam> it shows my IP as being kisslinux/acheam
2021-05-17T20:46:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^ Yeah, ask in #freenode for an "unaffiliated" cloak, then your cloak will be "unaffialiated/bithov"
2021-05-17T20:47:48 #kisslinux <bithov> will do, thanks
2021-05-17T20:58:02 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn:
2021-05-17T20:58:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> my man
2021-05-17T20:58:47 #kisslinux <acheam> uwu
2021-05-17T21:02:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> doing an AB test on lossy v lossless audio and finally realizing how bad my hearing is
2021-05-17T21:06:05 #kisslinux <acheam> IS THIS BETTER?
2021-05-17T21:06:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I CAN SPEAK UP IF IT HELPS
2021-05-17T21:10:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> WHAT DID YOU SAY
2021-05-17T21:17:02 #kisslinux <acheam> 🇳​​​​​🇪​​​​​🇻​​​​​🇪​​​​​🇷​​​​​🇲​​​​​🇮​​​​​🇳​​​​​🇩​​​​​
2021-05-17T21:20:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-05-17T21:31:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> I did terrible. I can't tell the difference at all
2021-05-17T21:31:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> Luckily, that is not the point of why I only have flacs on my machine :v
2021-05-17T21:33:07 #kisslinux <acheam> what is the point then?
2021-05-17T21:33:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> to be a hipster
2021-05-17T21:33:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> obviously
2021-05-17T21:33:28 #kisslinux <acheam> opus gang
2021-05-17T21:33:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> my man
2021-05-17T21:46:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's to have lossless sources for converting to lossy obviously
2021-05-17T21:46:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> because I CAN tell the difference between 192 and 256
2021-05-17T21:46:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> and being able to go down is irreplaceable
2021-05-17T22:24:40 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Anyone use a glibc chroot for steam?
2021-05-17T22:31:04 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of people use glibc chroots, not sure how many use it for steam
2021-05-17T22:31:56 #kisslinux <acheam> hi noocsharp
2021-05-17T22:32:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> howdy
2021-05-17T22:32:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> finally done with school
2021-05-17T22:32:22 #kisslinux <noocsharp> for the semester at least
2021-05-17T22:32:23 #kisslinux <acheam> nice!
2021-05-17T22:32:59 #kisslinux <acheam> argh I hate signal
2021-05-17T22:33:16 #kisslinux <dilyn>  nice!
2021-05-17T22:33:27 #kisslinux <acheam> but it was so much effort to get my friends off of Insta DM, I don't think they'll be willing to switch again lol
2021-05-17T22:33:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> what class was the biggest waste of your time xD
2021-05-17T22:34:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i took a software design class as part of a minor
2021-05-17T22:34:46 #kisslinux <noocsharp> although maybe not the biggest waste of time, it was pretty useless
2021-05-17T22:35:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta love it
2021-05-17T22:35:39 #kisslinux <acheam> speaking of useless CS classes, I have my Java exam tomorrow
2021-05-17T22:35:53 #kisslinux <acheam> one more day until freedom
2021-05-17T22:35:57 #kisslinux <noocsharp> is it ap comp sci by any chance?
2021-05-17T22:36:02 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed it is
2021-05-17T22:36:21 #kisslinux <acheam> gotta love the college board
2021-05-17T22:36:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i got a 4 on that AP
2021-05-17T22:36:31 #kisslinux <noocsharp> it did a number to my ego
2021-05-17T22:36:40 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-17T22:36:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> my high school didn't even really bother with good ap classes :(
2021-05-17T22:36:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> we didn't even have a regular computer science course!
2021-05-17T22:36:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> for shame
2021-05-17T22:37:05 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ap comp sci is literally just java programming
2021-05-17T22:37:05 #kisslinux <acheam> neither does mine
2021-05-17T22:37:05 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-17T22:37:05 #kisslinux <acheam> wow I say "lol" too much
2021-05-17T22:37:10 #kisslinux <noocsharp> no computer science
2021-05-17T22:37:13 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-05-17T22:37:18 #kisslinux <acheam> and they don't even care about syntax
2021-05-17T22:37:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i tried computer science at my high school
2021-05-17T22:37:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was fucking
2021-05-17T22:37:28 #kisslinux <acheam> they don't take off points if you don't include semicolons for example
2021-05-17T22:37:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> visual basic
2021-05-17T22:37:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> not even vb .net
2021-05-17T22:37:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> smh
2021-05-17T22:37:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> old school vbasic
2021-05-17T22:38:18 #kisslinux <acheam> but i'm actually a little bit worried about the multiple choice, because they ask you pretty complex questions about logic scenarios, like what is the opposite of !(!(a || b) && (!a || !b))
2021-05-17T22:38:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew
2021-05-17T22:38:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> see, that's just stupid.
2021-05-17T22:38:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> the power of demorgan's
2021-05-17T22:39:03 #kisslinux <noocsharp> pls dont remind me
2021-05-17T22:39:06 #kisslinux <acheam> holy crap I just realized how much stuff eudalgr had to package for pantheon
2021-05-17T22:39:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> muh set theory
2021-05-17T22:39:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> pantheon is hell to work with
2021-05-17T22:40:20 #kisslinux <noocsharp> somehow i couldn't sign up for the topology class next semester because it was full
2021-05-17T22:40:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> topology is the best, that's why
2021-05-17T22:40:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can learn it on your own. just pick up a copy of munkres and go to town
2021-05-17T22:41:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> we used the set theory part of munkres in a class in high school
2021-05-17T22:42:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> very painful
2021-05-17T22:42:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> your high school sounds a lot better than mine lmao
2021-05-17T22:43:07 #kisslinux <noocsharp> must be the canadian education system
2021-05-17T22:43:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, just my city
2021-05-17T22:43:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's trash
2021-05-17T22:46:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> that is an absurd high school course
2021-05-17T22:46:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> we touched demorgan's and that was about the extent of our technical set theory
2021-05-17T22:47:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> actually looking at it, i think it was only like the first half of the chapter
2021-05-17T22:53:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> sounds about right :v
2021-05-17T22:58:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> only useful classes my school had were like
2021-05-17T22:58:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> woodshop, home economics, etc
2021-05-17T22:58:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> none of this nerd stuff
2021-05-17T22:58:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-05-17T23:00:24 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i totally would have taken woodshop if they had it
2021-05-17T23:00:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> woodshop is unironically one of the best classes you can take, I think
2021-05-17T23:00:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> being able to just... build a desk or whatever is pretty great.
2021-05-17T23:02:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd have preferred more maths classes in my schedule though
2021-05-17T23:02:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> only took finances and pre-algebra
2021-05-17T23:02:24 #kisslinux <noocsharp> we did have a class where we had to learn how to use a bunch of machines in the shop, but it was peripheral to the class
2021-05-17T23:02:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-05-17T23:10:20 #kisslinux <acheam>  /whois mahmutov
2021-05-17T23:10:24 #kisslinux <acheam> ooops
2021-05-17T23:10:26 #kisslinux <acheam> leading space there
2021-05-17T23:10:34 #kisslinux <acheam> nice you got the cloak
2021-05-17T23:12:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> but whoisi
2021-05-17T23:12:35 #kisslinux <acheam>  /whois dilyn
2021-05-17T23:12:42 #kisslinux <midfavila>  /whoisi
2021-05-17T23:12:59 #kisslinux <acheam> lol why don't you have a kisslinux cloak dilyn
2021-05-17T23:13:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i stole his
2021-05-17T23:13:17 #kisslinux <acheam> i guess I run this distro now
2021-05-17T23:13:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> why would I bother
2021-05-17T23:13:27 #kisslinux <acheam> because its what the kool kidz do
2021-05-17T23:13:31 #kisslinux <acheam> like me and mid
2021-05-17T23:13:34 #kisslinux <acheam> and you love us
2021-05-17T23:13:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> uwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwu~
2021-05-17T23:13:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> eh
2021-05-17T23:14:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> come ooooooooooooooooooooon dilly c-man
2021-05-17T23:15:08 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> plasma is giving me errors
2021-05-17T23:15:17 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> is there any other desktops to install?
2021-05-17T23:15:28 #kisslinux <acheam> well we might be able to help you if you provided some logs
2021-05-17T23:15:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> logs are for chumps
2021-05-17T23:15:34 #kisslinux <acheam> most errors are fixable
2021-05-17T23:15:52 #kisslinux <acheam> and that's also like the third time that you've asked that question and been repsponded to
2021-05-17T23:16:37 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> wait yeah I did ask that question before
2021-05-17T23:17:15 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> what is the repo for pantheon desktop?
2021-05-17T23:18:13 #kisslinux <acheam> github.com/eudaldgr/elementaKISS
2021-05-17T23:18:15 #kisslinux <acheam> good luck
2021-05-17T23:18:36 #kisslinux <acheam> beware that its likely not to work without any errors, so either come back here with build logs, or be ready to debug instead of just giving up
2021-05-17T23:19:09 #kisslinux <acheam> it also might be a bit out of date, it looks like eudalgr hasn't touched it since Jan
2021-05-17T23:19:46 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> Is there xfce?
2021-05-17T23:20:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe
2021-05-17T23:20:09 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/periish/kiss-all
2021-05-17T23:20:21 #kisslinux <acheam> again, we've definitely had this conversation lol
2021-05-17T23:20:42 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I never asked about xfce
2021-05-17T23:22:30 #kisslinux <acheam> not that it really matters, but https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210513#c7982769
2021-05-17T23:22:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam coming in with the deathblow
2021-05-17T23:23:23 #kisslinux <acheam> I've started privately logging now as well... the number of arguments won will skyrocket
2021-05-17T23:23:25 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> oh yeah i did ask
2021-05-17T23:23:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: whyyyy
2021-05-17T23:23:56 #kisslinux <acheam> private logging is nice
2021-05-17T23:24:05 #kisslinux <acheam> it came in clutch when I was using quassel
2021-05-17T23:24:20 #kisslinux <acheam> makes it easy to refer back to old stuff
2021-05-17T23:24:49 #kisslinux <phoebos> huh. you do you
2021-05-17T23:25:05 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of people do it you just don't see it
2021-05-17T23:25:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> wtf is 7z
2021-05-17T23:25:21 #kisslinux <acheam> an open source zip utility
2021-05-17T23:25:41 #kisslinux <acheam> s/zip/archive/g
2021-05-17T23:25:41 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> an open source archive utility
2021-05-17T23:26:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> looks windowsy
2021-05-17T23:26:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-05-17T23:26:33 #kisslinux <acheam> it is
2021-05-17T23:26:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can get it on windows
2021-05-17T23:26:36 #kisslinux <acheam> but it also runs on linux
2021-05-17T23:26:40 #kisslinux <acheam> I used it on windows
2021-05-17T23:27:04 #kisslinux <phoebos> what the fuck the release source code is provided as a 7z file
2021-05-17T23:27:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> man it's kind of insane thinking about how I used to use windows
2021-05-17T23:27:12 #kisslinux <acheam> hahaha
2021-05-17T23:27:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> how am i supposed to do this
2021-05-17T23:27:29 #kisslinux <acheam> like when they package the scissors in plastic vaccum sealed packaging
2021-05-17T23:27:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-05-17T23:27:45 #kisslinux <acheam> do you want me to unar it for you phoebos
2021-05-17T23:27:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> the solution there is obvious, acheam
2021-05-17T23:27:53 #kisslinux <phoebos> literally x(
2021-05-17T23:27:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's when you break out b a y o n e t
2021-05-17T23:28:01 #kisslinux <acheam> shut tf up
2021-05-17T23:28:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> make me
2021-05-17T23:28:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have the bayonet and you don't
2021-05-17T23:28:14 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I think there is a way to use 7z on linux
2021-05-17T23:28:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah theres a sourceforge link
2021-05-17T23:28:43 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos: I see it as a tar.xz too
2021-05-17T23:28:46 #kisslinux <acheam> https://www.7-zip.org/download.html
2021-05-17T23:29:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah
2021-05-17T23:29:09 #kisslinux <phoebos> i didn't scroll down that far :P
2021-05-17T23:29:22 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-05-17T23:29:49 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh no that's a binary
2021-05-17T23:35:26 #kisslinux <dilyn>  why would you want 7z...
2021-05-17T23:35:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's awful
2021-05-17T23:35:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/s390x/p7zip
2021-05-17T23:35:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> either way
2021-05-17T23:35:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you willing
2021-05-17T23:35:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> to trust trust?
2021-05-17T23:36:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> I gave up on getting my webcam to work so I installed ubuntu on my laptop as a hail mary and it works just fine. BUT, doing anything immediately spins my fan up to 100% and results in an insufferable amount of white noise!
2021-05-17T23:36:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I'm buying a mic. which means I might as well buy a webcam
2021-05-17T23:36:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> anybody know any solid USB webcams with accurate color. I don't want to spend $200 on a brio
2021-05-17T23:36:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> 7z is awful and disgusting and comes with individual makefiles for each type of operating system
2021-05-17T23:37:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> in some of them the path to the compiler is /home/me/BUILDROOT/buildroot-2010.11/output/staging/usr/bin/i386-unknown-linux-uclibc-gcc
2021-05-17T23:37:44 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> I am trying to install polkit qt now and its giving me this error
2021-05-17T23:37:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> AAGHHH
2021-05-17T23:37:47 #kisslinux * jason123santa[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DDpZTYMrTIkuXSXhRuTmzgTf/message.txt >
2021-05-17T23:38:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> I had it built fine at this commit f3260e76b379115c2751136a1bd5219f598d0edf
2021-05-17T23:38:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> over a year old tho gl
2021-05-17T23:38:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> jason: is qt5... installed?
2021-05-17T23:38:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss-manifest qt5 pls
2021-05-17T23:38:47 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> when I tried to compile qt from the repo it gave me an error
2021-05-17T23:39:16 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> no qt5 is not installed
2021-05-17T23:39:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> then that would be your problem
2021-05-17T23:39:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> what error does qt5 give?
2021-05-17T23:39:47 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> what repo should i install it from?
2021-05-17T23:39:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> the KISS-kde repo
2021-05-17T23:40:25 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> i will see the error
2021-05-17T23:43:33 #kisslinux <claudia02> Is it to late to flex with kiss-games? https://github.com/sdsddsd1/kiss-games/tree/master/equipment/p7zip
2021-05-17T23:44:32 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> how is p7zip in the games repo
2021-05-17T23:45:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah claudia02 thank you
2021-05-17T23:45:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> i'd just given up
2021-05-17T23:45:53 #kisslinux <claudia02> phoebos: np
2021-05-17T23:46:23 #kisslinux <claudia02> jason123santa[m]: Some game distributes its assets only in an .exe....
2021-05-17T23:47:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> why not use unrar
2021-05-17T23:49:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> ugh
2021-05-17T23:49:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> someone used ++ on a bool and the build failed
2021-05-17T23:49:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> i give up
2021-05-17T23:49:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> goodbye forever, 7z
2021-05-17T23:50:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> weird how c++17 forbids that
2021-05-17T23:50:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> >incrementing a boolean
2021-05-17T23:50:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> what dark sorcery is this
2021-05-17T23:50:59 #kisslinux <acheam> why did you even want 7z in the first place?
2021-05-17T23:51:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> some dodgy soundfont thing
2021-05-17T23:51:22 #kisslinux <phoebos> came as a .7z
2021-05-17T23:51:39 #kisslinux <acheam> if you want, I can extract it for you and send it back in a tarball
2021-05-17T23:51:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> thanks but don't worry
2021-05-17T23:52:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> i've got another one to use :P
2021-05-17T23:52:30 #kisslinux <claudia02> dilyn: How to extract exe? Computer help: p7zip!
2021-05-17T23:56:28 #kisslinux <jason123santa[m]> when i compile qt5 it gives me this error
2021-05-17T23:56:31 #kisslinux * jason123santa[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/JaXsttlFgOQdqnknYhpOvZKy/message.txt >
2021-05-17T23:57:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> that's not the actual error
2021-05-17T23:57:39 #kisslinux <acheam> thats not the actual error its just the part thats stating there was an error
2021-05-17T23:57:51 #kisslinux <acheam> please send the whole build log above it if you can
2021-05-17T23:58:36 #kisslinux * jason123santa[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sXflIOdPtQzJOGFFyhpdCWiV/message.txt >