[2023-02-11T14:40:18Z] <midfavila> https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/862464
[2023-02-11T14:40:37Z] <midfavila> Ellowee[m] unless you need to use cancer like webapps i'd suggest you try basilisk or another uxp browser 
[2023-02-11T14:40:43Z] <midfavila> it's fairly easy to get building on kiss
[2023-02-11T14:40:51Z] <midfavila> i've not had too much luck with webkit in the past
[2023-02-11T14:41:31Z] <testuser[m]1> Google's Go may add telemetry that's on by default
[2023-02-11T14:41:54Z] <midfavila> what a killer feature
[2023-02-11T15:12:07Z] <sewn> mfw right as I start to like go this happens
[2023-02-11T15:29:19Z] <testuser[m]1> git revert
[2023-02-11T15:32:02Z] <sewn> git gud
[2023-02-11T15:32:19Z] <midfavila> hghghghghghghghghghghghghgh i want game of trees to be a viable git replacement
[2023-02-11T15:32:33Z] <midfavila> need to go whip the obsd devs 
[2023-02-11T15:36:35Z] <sewn> Plz dont
[2023-02-11T16:16:49Z] <shokara_> there's a patch in the mailing list adding read-only http cloning support, so it's getting there :D
[2023-02-11T16:18:05Z] <shokara_> https://marc.info/?l=gameoftrees&m=167433191502805&w=2
[2023-02-11T16:38:08Z] <midfavila> hey so, not directly related to kiss, but
[2023-02-11T16:38:30Z] <midfavila> what's a minimum viable personal computer to you guys? in terms of design and spec and stuff
[2023-02-11T16:38:37Z] <midfavila> ignoring available OSes and all that
[2023-02-11T16:43:24Z] <shokara_> As long as I can read books, write software, and play (FOSS) vidya, it's good enough for me. So something like any of the current ARM SBCs I think would fit my purposes.
[2023-02-11T16:47:13Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2023-02-11T16:47:30Z] <midfavila> would something like an 80386 box be fine too?
[2023-02-11T16:47:35Z] <shokara_> probably
[2023-02-11T16:47:40Z] * midfavila nods
[2023-02-11T16:47:48Z] <shokara_> that's i386 right?
[2023-02-11T16:47:52Z] <midfavila> yep
[2023-02-11T16:47:59Z] <shokara_> yeah that would be more than enough for me
[2023-02-11T16:48:28Z] <midfavila> i'm just sitting here looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC532 and http://www.mtmscientific.com/pc-retro.html thinking about how best to study their designs
[2023-02-11T16:48:49Z] <midfavila> i'm dead serious when it comes to designing a viable (albeit very basic) libre desktop 
[2023-02-11T16:49:41Z] <midfavila> high-end 80486/80386/amiga machine would be kind of my target for performance 
[2023-02-11T16:49:47Z] <midfavila> so, mid-late 90s era
[2023-02-11T16:51:28Z] <shokara_> https://cataclysmdda.org/#minimum I think any 90s or 2000s computer would be good enough for me, cataclysm-dda would probably be the most demanding program I run.
[2023-02-11T16:51:48Z] <midfavila> i'll need to test cata in a vm
[2023-02-11T16:51:52Z] <shokara_> "I played catadda 0.B on Lego EV3 brick through ssh about a year ago. Every simple move took a noticeable fraction of a second (like 0.3-0.5 second), crafting and such was very slow as well. The specs were - 300 MhZ CPU, 64 Mb Ram (+ another 64 Mb swap on microsd flash) running ev3dev (stripped ubuntu basically), ssh over USB CDC connection." -burgerpro
[2023-02-11T16:52:36Z] <shokara_> "I used to test the game on an Asus EEE 700. Thatbs a 900MHz mobile cpu with 500MB of ram." -Kevin Granade
[2023-02-11T19:54:01Z] <niceguy5000[m]> can you keep adding chips into you hit 8gb of ram?
[2023-02-11T19:55:52Z] <sewn> What types of chips
[2023-02-11T19:56:26Z] <niceguy5000[m]> potatoes chips.
[2023-02-11T19:56:47Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I want a potato computer.
[2023-02-11T19:56:53Z] <sewn> Yes
[2023-02-11T19:57:51Z] <niceguy5000[m]> wael: What's your setup?
[2023-02-11T19:58:56Z] <sewn> teapot
[2023-02-11T19:59:25Z] <midfavila> shit that reminds me, i need to borrow a friend's camera so i can upload pictures of my setup to my site
[2023-02-11T19:59:29Z] <midfavila> dab on all you laptop users
[2023-02-11T19:59:40Z] <sewn> Hah caught lurking
[2023-02-11T19:59:55Z] <midfavila> not having anything to say for a while isn't lurking
[2023-02-11T19:59:56Z] <midfavila> lurk more
[2023-02-11T19:59:58Z] <midfavila> :p 
[2023-02-11T20:00:10Z] <niceguy5000[m]> This is my setup.
[2023-02-11T20:00:10Z] <niceguy5000[m]> https://tds-images.thedailystar.net/sites/default/files/styles/big_202/public/feature/images/potato_pc.jpg
[2023-02-11T20:01:11Z] <sewn> where obligatory neofetch
[2023-02-11T20:03:32Z] <midfavila> ugh the cold is seeping into my apartment now
[2023-02-11T20:03:41Z] <midfavila> need to wear my fucking coat and boots 
[2023-02-11T20:03:51Z] <sewn> compile llvm
[2023-02-11T20:04:04Z] <sewn> and hug your pc
[2023-02-11T20:05:24Z] <midfavila> not the worst idea
[2023-02-11T20:07:49Z] <shokara_> "dab on all you laptop users" jokes on you, my laptop was only usable for a couple weeks in the past 8 months
[2023-02-11T20:08:23Z] <shokara_> still need to use autoport on my desktop motherboard to get coreboot on it (ivy bridge, z77)
[2023-02-11T20:09:04Z] <midfavila> my next computer is unironically going to be one of those MTM Scientific Retros
[2023-02-11T20:09:52Z] <niceguy5000[m]> can it run firefox?
[2023-02-11T20:09:57Z] <midfavila> fuck trying to force libre software onto proprietary hardware, i'm just going to use libre hardware from the get-go
[2023-02-11T20:09:57Z] <shokara_> woa this is quite nice
[2023-02-11T20:09:57Z] <midfavila> firefox is shit
[2023-02-11T20:10:06Z] <midfavila> and anyway no 
[2023-02-11T20:10:14Z] <shokara_> "USA Only" rip canada post
[2023-02-11T20:10:25Z] <midfavila> yeah i'd need to get a friend to hold onto it for me
[2023-02-11T20:10:51Z] <midfavila> they used to do international shipping but i guess they stopped
[2023-02-11T20:10:57Z] <shokara_> at least it's only $347.50 instead of >$8k for a talos 2
[2023-02-11T20:11:04Z] <midfavila> mhm
[2023-02-11T20:12:00Z] <midfavila> i feel like if i spend enough time studying the older IBM PCs starting with this clone of the 5150 and the original, and I work through a couple of my physics and engineering books, I'll be able to make improvements to the design such that it becomes almost viable for daily use
[2023-02-11T20:12:13Z] <midfavila> ...well, viable for my daily use
[2023-02-11T20:12:36Z] <niceguy5000[m]> what OS is it going to run?
[2023-02-11T20:12:46Z] <midfavila> either minix or freedos
[2023-02-11T20:12:51Z] <midfavila> unless i find a better OS
[2023-02-11T20:13:16Z] <sewn> your own
[2023-02-11T20:13:50Z] <midfavila> unfortunately i'm not nearly competent enough to design and write my own OS yet
[2023-02-11T20:17:52Z] <shokara_> "We are an old fashioned mail order business! We have been in business for over 20 years." very nice
[2023-02-11T20:17:57Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/jbruchon/elks
[2023-02-11T20:18:02Z] <midfavila> this looks promising actually
[2023-02-11T20:18:08Z] <shokara_> is that the unix-like kernel?
[2023-02-11T20:18:15Z] <midfavila> linux-like but yes
[2023-02-11T20:18:21Z] <midfavila> it also includes a busybox-like userland
[2023-02-11T20:18:27Z] <shokara_> woa
[2023-02-11T20:18:50Z] <midfavila> just shy of 400k lines of code total
[2023-02-11T20:19:26Z] <midfavila> of that, assuming cloc is reasonably accurate, ~250k lines of C
[2023-02-11T20:19:46Z] <shokara_> that's many times smaller than amdgpu :O
[2023-02-11T20:21:07Z] <midfavila> unfortunately it's not self-hosting
[2023-02-11T20:21:08Z] <midfavila> hrm
[2023-02-11T20:21:18Z] <midfavila> at least, it doesn't seem to be
[2023-02-11T20:21:32Z] <shokara_> is it not self-hosting due to not having an included toolchain?
[2023-02-11T20:21:36Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2023-02-11T20:21:49Z] <midfavila> looks like it all has to be cross-compiled, or done from DOS
[2023-02-11T20:21:52Z] <shokara_> would something like tcc not work on it?
[2023-02-11T20:21:54Z] <shokara_> oh
[2023-02-11T20:21:57Z] <midfavila> maybe ELKS takes up too much memory for a compiler to run effectively
[2023-02-11T20:23:28Z] <midfavila> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNETix
[2023-02-11T20:23:46Z] <midfavila> if there was a similar OS to unetix available under a free license it would be pretty suitable for daily use
[2023-02-11T20:25:41Z] <midfavila> i also might be able to find something like an NEC V20 or similar since they're drop-in compatible with the 8086 whilst being faster, iirc
[2023-02-11T20:33:24Z] <midfavila> fdhjksadfslfjshfhieowruiwefuegfwe fucking goddamn developers using proprietary communications systems for their libre projects
[2023-02-11T20:33:28Z] <midfavila> reeee
[2023-02-11T20:34:19Z] <shokara_> always fun to see discord and m$hub being used as the primary communication medium
[2023-02-11T20:38:46Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Isn't matrix ready for mass adoption? What's the point in using discord?
[2023-02-11T20:38:55Z] <midfavila> do NOT fucking shill matrix
[2023-02-11T20:38:59Z] <midfavila> garbage ecosystem
[2023-02-11T20:39:26Z] <midfavila> none of the clients seem to fully implement the spec and they're all fuckhuge p
[2023-02-11T20:41:14Z] <shokara_> irc over matrix any day for me
[2023-02-11T20:41:25Z] <shokara_> at least the clients don't crash on me
[2023-02-11T20:41:37Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Yeah but it's better than discord or signal for voice chat.
[2023-02-11T20:41:40Z] <midfavila> ICB > IRC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matrix
[2023-02-11T20:41:49Z] <shokara_> why not mumble for voice chat? or sip?
[2023-02-11T20:49:07Z] <midfavila> https://mikeos.sourceforge.net/
[2023-02-11T20:49:11Z] <midfavila> i forgot that mikeOS exists
[2023-02-11T20:50:36Z] <midfavila> says that it needs 1mb of memory so it might be able to run on a 5150
[2023-02-11T20:50:47Z] <midfavila> i can't recall if 640k is a hardware limitation or just a limitation of DOS
[2023-02-11T20:50:56Z] <midfavila> i *think* it was the latter
[2023-02-11T20:51:00Z] <midfavila> but i'm not sure
[2023-02-11T20:52:22Z] <midfavila> http://www.pdos.org/
[2023-02-11T20:57:46Z] <midfavila> gah
[2023-02-11T20:57:52Z] <midfavila> remind me to write a zip/unzip