[2023-03-06T00:14:08Z] <Torr> Ahoy
[2023-03-06T00:31:54Z] <sad_plan> hi Torr 
[2023-03-06T00:36:16Z] <Torr> sad_plan: How's it going?
[2023-03-06T01:04:13Z] <sad_plan> im good. how about you?
[2023-03-06T01:12:55Z] <Torr> Taking a look at this: https://sile-typesetter.org
[2023-03-06T01:13:46Z] <Torr> It's very lightweight.
[2023-03-06T01:14:05Z] <Torr> And built on Lua \o/
[2023-03-06T01:20:26Z] <sad_plan> interesting project indeed
[2023-03-06T01:23:51Z] <sad_plan> can you create .doc files from it though?
[2023-03-06T01:24:15Z] <sad_plan> ive been curious if theres a project which can replace stuff like word, of libreoffice packages initially
[2023-03-06T01:24:43Z] <sad_plan> say if youre in school, and school requires you to use word, but you know, word is bloat and proprietary garbage
[2023-03-06T01:26:27Z] <Torr> As far as I know, it doesn't handle conversion.
[2023-03-06T01:27:22Z] <sad_plan> hm. what does it create though? pdfs? like Tex does
[2023-03-06T01:27:49Z] <sad_plan> using Tex in this case could work though.
[2023-03-06T01:28:10Z] <Torr> Yeah, like Tex.
[2023-03-06T01:30:26Z] <Torr> sad_plan: For conversions, u could try pandoc. Not sure if it can handle Word files though.
[2023-03-06T01:31:10Z] <sad_plan> noted
[2023-03-06T02:11:10Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Torr: tor are you a real tor user? like 100% connect to the tor network?
[2023-03-06T02:12:25Z] <Torr> Lol
[2023-03-06T02:12:37Z] <Torr> Why do u ask?
[2023-03-06T02:12:41Z] <midfavila> niceguy5000[m], are you a real human bean?
[2023-03-06T02:12:47Z] <Torr> Yes
[2023-03-06T02:12:55Z] <Torr> The best human bean.
[2023-03-06T02:13:00Z] <Torr> Best and only xD
[2023-03-06T02:13:04Z] <midfavila> wh-
[2023-03-06T02:13:05Z] <midfavila> ;w;
[2023-03-06T02:13:16Z] <Torr> The only bean that can type like this.
[2023-03-06T02:13:22Z] <niceguy5000[m]> midfavila: no I'm a nice guy version 5000!
[2023-03-06T02:13:56Z] <Torr> midfavila: How's your toe buddy?
[2023-03-06T02:14:04Z] <midfavila> killing me slightly less
[2023-03-06T02:14:14Z] <midfavila> will be killing me much less over time because i'm back to being a neet
[2023-03-06T02:14:18Z] <midfavila> which is mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmfine actually
[2023-03-06T02:14:42Z] <niceguy5000[m]> no! what happen to your toe?
[2023-03-06T02:14:56Z] <midfavila> chronic ingrown nails /shrug
[2023-03-06T02:16:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> well at least you don't have nail fungus. \
[2023-03-06T02:18:11Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I have 3 nails that has fungus. I been using cream and it don't work.
[2023-03-06T02:18:19Z] <midfavila> small victory for me i guess
[2023-03-06T02:18:27Z] <midfavila> hopefully you can get that figured out
[2023-03-06T02:20:17Z] <Torr> midfavila: Out of work?
[2023-03-06T02:20:32Z] <midfavila> yeah my boss terminated me without warning this morning
[2023-03-06T02:20:38Z] <midfavila> i was considering quitting anyway
[2023-03-06T02:20:42Z] <midfavila> fast food isn't my thing
[2023-03-06T02:20:54Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2023-03-06T02:21:42Z] <Torr> I'm certain you can turn this around.
[2023-03-06T02:22:05Z] <niceguy5000[m]> fast food is a nightmare to work for.
[2023-03-06T02:22:16Z] <sad_plan> niceguy5000[m]: go to your doctor and ask for some pills. I had several too, and they went away with some pills.
[2023-03-06T02:24:10Z] <midfavila> Torr: idk man i'll just fucking
[2023-03-06T02:24:13Z] <midfavila> go live under the bridge
[2023-03-06T02:24:20Z] <midfavila> will rant about posix for food
[2023-03-06T02:24:31Z] <midfavila> i don't give a shit any more :D
[2023-03-06T02:24:42Z] <Torr> >  will rant about posix for food   
[2023-03-06T02:24:43Z] <Torr> Lol
[2023-03-06T02:24:52Z] <midfavila> it feels like most of what you're expected to do in today's world is just make-work of no real value anyway
[2023-03-06T02:24:57Z] <midfavila> i might as well at least be honest about it
[2023-03-06T02:26:59Z] <Torr> Not a surprise for our debit based economy. If they can print money out of nothing, why put value into work?
[2023-03-06T02:27:16Z] <Torr> Or so they want you to think.
[2023-03-06T02:27:22Z] <midfavila> it's not even about that
[2023-03-06T02:27:29Z] <midfavila> the argument about muh fiat versus muh gold is stupid
[2023-03-06T02:27:41Z] <midfavila> it's about whether *real* value is produced by something or not
[2023-03-06T02:27:48Z] <midfavila> whether the world is actually made a better place 
[2023-03-06T02:28:02Z] <midfavila> if anything, most jobs produce *negative* value
[2023-03-06T02:28:04Z] <midfavila> see: fast food
[2023-03-06T02:29:33Z] <midfavila> undereducated people underpaid and stuck in underemployment serving overpriced food at an overly-fast pace to overemployed and overpaid people, who then get sick and die because they live off of shitty food
[2023-03-06T02:30:01Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Almost 85m Americans eat fast food every day.....
[2023-03-06T02:30:17Z] <midfavila> there's not even an incentive to actually try at most wage-based jobs either
[2023-03-06T02:30:41Z] <midfavila> if profit sharing were more common, or you received bonuses based on performance, then that wouldn't be as much of a problem
[2023-03-06T02:30:56Z] <midfavila> but i'm not going to dump all my energy into a soulless corporation just to earn pennies 
[2023-03-06T02:31:01Z] <midfavila> fuck that noise
[2023-03-06T02:31:06Z] <niceguy5000[m]> midfavila: have you tried the trade skill business?
[2023-03-06T02:31:06Z] <Torr> It's one in the same, as money was supposed to be a representation of value. But that's no longer the case, as planned obsolescence is the norm of our day.
[2023-03-06T02:31:33Z] <midfavila> niceguy5000[m]: i have no passion or interest in the trades, and can't afford schooling, anyway
[2023-03-06T02:31:50Z] <midfavila> or, well, i have no passion or interest in the trades that are still relevant
[2023-03-06T02:32:17Z] <midfavila> nobody cares about cobblers or seamsters any more
[2023-03-06T02:32:42Z] <midfavila> and carpenters, barely, it seems like
[2023-03-06T02:33:34Z] <niceguy5000[m]> What about a plumper?
[2023-03-06T02:33:45Z] <midfavila> yeah no
[2023-03-06T02:33:53Z] <Torr> midfavila: Are u skilled in carpenty?
[2023-03-06T02:34:20Z] <midfavila> Torr, I took a class on it in high school and spent a bunch of time in the woodshop outside of class so, i dunno, more than your average person?
[2023-03-06T02:34:32Z] <midfavila> i can make basic stuff but nothing worth selling
[2023-03-06T02:35:13Z] <niceguy5000[m]> What about custom made cabinets?
[2023-03-06T02:35:37Z] <midfavila> depends on the complexity of the piece i guess
[2023-03-06T02:35:48Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Mostly everything is made in china anyways. people like cheap stuff.
[2023-03-06T02:35:51Z] <Torr> midfavila: Can u make a box? Small box, like the ones girls like to put their hair ornaments.
[2023-03-06T02:35:52Z] <midfavila> if you just want a wardrobe or something then yeah i could do that
[2023-03-06T02:36:05Z] <midfavila> but i've never liked "fancy" things
[2023-03-06T02:36:20Z] <midfavila> so i've never developed skills requisite for that sorta stuff
[2023-03-06T02:36:55Z] <Torr> U gotta start somewhere.
[2023-03-06T02:37:07Z] <midfavila> i still think getting a junior development position is my best bet
[2023-03-06T02:37:17Z] <Torr> Also, there's a market for everything.
[2023-03-06T02:37:20Z] <midfavila> i won't *enjoy* it, but i wouldn't hate it either, and both pay and benefits are good
[2023-03-06T02:37:22Z] <midfavila> and yes, there is
[2023-03-06T02:37:26Z] <midfavila> the question is if there's enough of one
[2023-03-06T02:37:48Z] <niceguy5000[m]> tor what do you do for a living?
[2023-03-06T02:37:53Z] <midfavila> and it seems like the idea of buying stuff that "just works" so to speak has gone out the door, at least in my area
[2023-03-06T02:38:09Z] <midfavila> people are only really interested in either a) absurdly cheap or b) incredibly decadent
[2023-03-06T02:38:45Z] <midfavila> you can't have "just" a decent pair of shoes, they have to be a fancy brand. you can't have "just" a decent shirt or pair of pants, or a watch, or a bike or anything. it all has to have a bunch of value-added shit 
[2023-03-06T02:39:15Z] <midfavila> if it was an option i'd homestead
[2023-03-06T02:39:17Z] <niceguy5000[m]> You can dig for gold nuggets. I heard it's good money. /s.
[2023-03-06T02:39:31Z] <midfavila> but god fucking forbid you cut down a single tree on your property without filling out ten thousand permits
[2023-03-06T02:39:56Z] <niceguy5000[m]> wtf that have that in canada?
[2023-03-06T02:40:01Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/that/thay/
[2023-03-06T02:40:05Z] <midfavila> they*
[2023-03-06T02:40:10Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/that/they/
[2023-03-06T02:40:15Z] <midfavila> and yes, you need logging permits to cut down trees
[2023-03-06T02:40:32Z] <midfavila> i don't believe that rural properties are exempt from that
[2023-03-06T02:40:37Z] <midfavila> but i'd be interested in being corrected
[2023-03-06T02:41:24Z] <niceguy5000[m]> you can make a descent living cutting trees.
[2023-03-06T02:41:41Z] <niceguy5000[m]> s/descent/decent/
[2023-03-06T02:44:31Z] <midfavila> maybe some day i'll be able to open a little gadget store and sell homebrew electronic kits and teach people and stuff
[2023-03-06T02:44:33Z] <midfavila> that would be really comfy
[2023-03-06T03:08:30Z] <Torr> midfavila: Can u make one of those: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hJwaYvOgmeM ?
[2023-03-06T03:10:38Z] <Torr> Or this: https://www.etsy.com/listing/720775613/wooden-ring-handmade-from-walnut-wood
[2023-03-06T03:10:52Z] <Torr> > 2,179 sales
[2023-03-06T03:28:23Z] <rohan> hey guys
[2023-03-06T03:28:29Z] <sad_plan> hi rohan
[2023-03-06T03:28:40Z] <rohan> someone have a buggy issue with foot?
[2023-03-06T03:28:57Z] <rohan> everytime i get a foot terminal
[2023-03-06T03:29:06Z] <rohan> my other terminal just add a line
[2023-03-06T03:29:40Z] <rohan> is like when i spawn a new term the other term do a enter
[2023-03-06T03:30:58Z] <rohan> when i kill the term it does the same
[2023-03-06T04:03:48Z] <testuser[m]123> rohan: which shell
[2023-03-06T04:04:21Z] <Torr> 'til later
[2023-03-06T04:05:04Z] <testuser[m]123> Hi
[2023-03-06T04:06:12Z] <sewn> Hi
[2023-03-06T05:25:22Z] <Ellowee[m]> I get 2 nl each spawn of foot
[2023-03-06T05:35:39Z] <testuser[m]123> Which shell
[2023-03-06T09:35:19Z] <Ellowee[m]> The busybox sh
[2023-03-06T17:31:57Z] <midfavila> HEY FUCKERS GUESS WHO
[2023-03-06T17:32:14Z] <midfavila> finally got around to setting up slackware on a spare disk
[2023-03-06T17:32:21Z] <midfavila> that they still use LILO is kind of annoying
[2023-03-06T17:32:32Z] <midfavila> i never have any luck getting it to boot the kernel properly
[2023-03-06T17:34:35Z] <midfavila> :o
[2023-03-06T17:34:40Z] <midfavila> it's a shokara
[2023-03-06T17:34:46Z] <shokara> hiya
[2023-03-06T17:35:28Z] <midfavila> https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/875872
[2023-03-06T21:38:31Z] <midfavila> visiting forums i used to post on is such a weird feeling