2020-02-21T00:01:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: Just use GNU grep :^)
2020-02-21T00:02:27 #kisslinux <Crestwave> Isn't it slower, though?
2020-02-21T00:02:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yes
2020-02-21T00:03:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> I bet the difference in speed between rg and GNU grep is even bigger than the one between GNU grep and toybox grep
2020-02-21T00:04:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dylanaraps: maybe you should review packages, at least the build script, right?
2020-02-21T00:04:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> just to ensure the build script doesn't contain "rm -rf / --no-preserve-root"?
2020-02-21T00:04:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> well if it did then there'd just be an error about an unknown flag :p
2020-02-21T00:05:03 #kisslinux <E5ten> (not that I disagree with the point)
2020-02-21T00:05:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or downloads a rootkit or some spyware? :)
2020-02-21T00:05:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wait, busybox doesn't support --no-preserve-root?
2020-02-21T00:05:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kiedtl: By review I meant not having to leave comments.
2020-02-21T00:05:36 #kisslinux <Crestwave> I think rm -rf / works on busybox
2020-02-21T00:05:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Of course I check.
2020-02-21T00:06:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> I doubt busybox has --no-preserve-root
2020-02-21T00:06:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> now if you wanted a portable way to destroy everything you'd do rm -rf /*
2020-02-21T00:06:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it does
2020-02-21T00:06:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> E5ten: man rm
2020-02-21T00:06:54 #kisslinux <Crestwave> huh. it doesn't on my (non-KISS) system
2020-02-21T00:06:58 #kisslinux <Crestwave> Usage: rm [-irf] FILE...
2020-02-21T00:07:00 #kisslinux <E5ten> b rm --no-preserve-root
2020-02-21T00:07:00 #kisslinux <E5ten> rm: unrecognized option '--no-preserve-root'
2020-02-21T00:07:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> weird
2020-02-21T00:07:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See: https://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/coreutils/rm.c
2020-02-21T00:07:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh whoops, looking at the wrong manpage :P
2020-02-21T00:07:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol
2020-02-21T00:07:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No long opts for busybox rm
2020-02-21T00:07:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but that's bad
2020-02-21T00:08:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Meh
2020-02-21T00:08:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what if someone accidentally ran rm -rf / instead of rm -rf ~/
2020-02-21T00:08:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's their fault
2020-02-21T00:08:36 #kisslinux <E5ten> well then they probably shouldn't have?
2020-02-21T00:08:51 #kisslinux <Crestwave> Why would you run rm -rf ~/ in the first place???
2020-02-21T00:08:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What if they run rm -rf /* instead of ~/?
2020-02-21T00:08:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> idk
2020-02-21T00:08:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :P
2020-02-21T00:09:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> what if someone accidentally ran rm -rf /* instead of rm -rf ~/*
2020-02-21T00:09:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No protection regardless
2020-02-21T00:09:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh you did the same thing lol
2020-02-21T00:09:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or rm -rf / instead of rm -rf /
2020-02-21T00:09:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> didn't even notice
2020-02-21T00:09:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *rm -rf ./
2020-02-21T00:09:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Exactly
2020-02-21T00:10:12 #kisslinux <Crestwave> Can you even rm your current directory?
2020-02-21T00:10:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-02-21T00:10:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not . or ..
2020-02-21T00:10:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> But "$PWD", sure
2020-02-21T00:10:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Why not?
2020-02-21T00:10:42 #kisslinux <Crestwave> yeah I meant .
2020-02-21T00:10:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You'd have to cd away before you can do anything
2020-02-21T00:11:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh
2020-02-21T00:12:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> busybox has code for this: bb_simple_error_msg("can't remove '.' or '..'");
2020-02-21T00:12:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > if (DOT_OR_DOTDOT(base)) {
2020-02-21T00:12:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I wonder what would happen otherwise
2020-02-21T00:13:26 #kisslinux <Crestwave> maybe it would just have a less helpful error
2020-02-21T00:14:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is a hard thing to search for
2020-02-21T00:15:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "can't"?
2020-02-21T00:21:27 #kisslinux * E5ten sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/wDuFDQVPLWMfHqPebokCIcjG >
2020-02-21T00:21:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> and let's say I can safely assume that _var isn't taken or used
2020-02-21T00:23:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dylanaraps, I've submitted a new package for hyperfine :)
2020-02-21T00:23:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> just one more on my list :)
2020-02-21T00:24:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> E5ten: What does 'env' display afterwards?
2020-02-21T00:25:34 #kisslinux <E5ten> not var
2020-02-21T00:26:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You should be fine then.
2020-02-21T00:26:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd use -v though.
2020-02-21T00:27:05 #kisslinux <E5ten> makes sense
2020-02-21T00:27:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > If -v is specified, name refers to a variable name and the shell shall unset it and remove it from the environment. Read-only variables cannot be unset.
2020-02-21T00:27:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> brb
2020-02-21T00:27:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > If neither -f nor -v is specified, name refers to a variable; if a variable by that name does not exist, it is unspecified whether a function by that name, if any, shall be unset.
2020-02-21T00:28:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Fine either way from what I understand.
2020-02-21T00:28:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just a rare case where you could unset a func.
2020-02-21T00:28:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah, no reason not to use -v and be safe
2020-02-21T00:44:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
2020-02-21T00:45:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: Is this you in the credits at the top?
2020-02-21T00:45:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/FabioLolix/LinuxTimeline/graphs/contributors
2020-02-21T00:45:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It is
2020-02-21T00:45:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Neat
2020-02-21T00:46:32 #kisslinux <konimex> hah, I took maintenance myself since the original maintainer disappeared but since I was too busy after a while I decided to give it to someone else
2020-02-21T00:48:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It seems dead now sadly
2020-02-21T01:48:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylanaraps: running sha1sum on the tar.xz.sha256 returns an error; 'no properly formatted SHA1 checksum lines found'
2020-02-21T01:51:43 #kisslinux <Crestwave> because it's sha256?
2020-02-21T01:55:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean, maybe
2020-02-21T01:55:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2020-02-21T01:58:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> (cough change sha1sum to sha256sum on the install page cough)
2020-02-21T01:59:57 #kisslinux <Crestwave> I actually can't seem to access the website right now
2020-02-21T02:00:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> k1ss.org
2020-02-21T02:00:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilyn: Fixed
2020-02-21T02:01:26 #kisslinux <Crestwave> Oh I didn't know the domain changed. At least it doesn't mean goat pee or whatever now
2020-02-21T02:01:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> Lol
2020-02-21T02:01:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm just here to check typos
2020-02-21T02:02:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Crestwave: Exactly
2020-02-21T09:05:13 #kisslinux <fehawen> shuhuu o/
2020-02-21T10:42:01 #kisslinux <adamantium> sup fam
2020-02-21T11:01:46 #kisslinux <icyphox> Evening.
2020-02-21T11:18:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ello
2020-02-21T11:20:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-02-21T11:23:15 #kisslinux <adamantium> Is using windows 10 really that much worse than a mainstream distro like Arch, ubuntu, or redhat the direction they are headed?
2020-02-21T11:24:43 #kisslinux <adamantium> Atleast you could get first class hardware support, graphics, all the proprietary software jobs will want you to use (photoshop, office, collaboration tools), and as a developer, you can have the WSL2 subsystem with linux, docker for windows or docker for linux both will work, AND if you want it, you can use visual studio
2020-02-21T11:25:42 #kisslinux <adamantium> I'm on kiss because I like the old paths and ways of doing things, but I wonder sometimes if using Windows 10 wouldn't make more sense for people who are getting by on Arch or similar.
2020-02-21T11:26:11 #kisslinux * adamantium makes popcorn
2020-02-21T11:30:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Most people don't care about telemetry etc nowadays either. Same goes for software like Discord or Spotify. Linux is becoming less and less about Open Source / Free Software. The whole purpose of Flatpak/Snap/Appimages is to allow developers to ship portable _binaries_ to users directly. This will lead to a rise in proprietary software on Linux.
2020-02-21T11:32:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Welcome to every "app" containing all of its own dependencies in differing, outdated versions.
2020-02-21T11:33:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Install lazygit from Community. You'll see that on first open it asks if you want to enable telemetry. In the terminal! God. When did this become OK?
2020-02-21T11:34:09 #kisslinux * dylanaraps also makes popcorn
2020-02-21T11:35:54 #kisslinux <adamantium> you said "Flatpak/Snap/Appimages", and also in the past, have mentioned the underlying motives of systemd being similar as well
2020-02-21T11:36:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-02-21T11:36:08 #kisslinux <adamantium> the unification necessary before the rise of proprietary linux
2020-02-21T11:36:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The removal of mandatory terminal usage will come later
2020-02-21T11:37:40 #kisslinux <fehawen> dylanaraps: I think a lot of people aren't even aware of what telemetry is and its existence.
2020-02-21T11:38:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's a big part of the problem.
2020-02-21T11:38:39 #kisslinux <adamantium> So my point may be valid then
2020-02-21T11:38:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Consumer PCs and laptops are slowly becoming a niche too.[
2020-02-21T11:38:55 #kisslinux <adamantium> For a lot of modern devs, windows 10 makes a lot more sense than popular linux distros
2020-02-21T11:39:16 #kisslinux <fehawen> The whole "ignorance is bliss" attitude or probably a subconscious protection mechanism as there are just too many things nowadays to be aware of (and to be afraid of)
2020-02-21T11:39:30 #kisslinux <adamantium> I mean, why not just skip the dog and pony show, and go straight ahead to the "future" of linux (windows)
2020-02-21T11:39:32 #kisslinux <letoram> adamantium: only thing microsoft has to do to 'win over' that crowd (arch++) is to remove the crap they plague normal users - they are putting serious coin into building a better terminal, that + a developer version without the bullshit and it's done
2020-02-21T11:40:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup. Microsoft have committed fully to developers.
2020-02-21T11:41:05 #kisslinux <letoram> FDO has been so busy copying the system design of windows/osx/android with all the problems that comes with it
2020-02-21T11:41:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> VS Code, WSL1/2, GitHub acquisition, Windows Terminal, Microsoft <3 Linux, etc etc
2020-02-21T11:41:23 #kisslinux <adamantium> i might just install win 10 on my extra HDD and troll arch users with it
2020-02-21T11:41:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hell, I bet they make more from Azure nowadays than Windows
2020-02-21T11:41:38 #kisslinux <adamantium> and I can troll windows users by still using Emacs
2020-02-21T11:41:39 #kisslinux <adamantium> lol
2020-02-21T11:43:34 #kisslinux <adamantium> There is also visual studio community edtion (free) and windows 10 isos (free) but watermarks your screen until you register
2020-02-21T11:43:35 #kisslinux <letoram> if being given the choice of having systemd+dbus, systemserver+binder, mach+launchd, svchost+com well - 'do you want me to piss in your mouth or into your eyes'?
2020-02-21T11:43:45 #kisslinux <fehawen> In Sweden, most developers stick to Apple/macOS, or at least has done so this far. But there seems to be an increasing trend in moving to Linux, mostly due to all the lock-in and general bullshit Apple push down their consumers' throats. There's at least a tiny bit of comfort in that.
2020-02-21T11:45:22 #kisslinux <letoram> apple has been ramping up their skills in discouraging developers for sure
2020-02-21T11:45:44 #kisslinux <letoram> started migrating away from it around 10.6 when the signs started showing about where they were heading
2020-02-21T11:46:51 #kisslinux <icyphox> Here in India, Apple / Windows machines are the go-to for enterprise devs.
2020-02-21T11:47:09 #kisslinux <icyphox> People hardly use Linux, other than in hobbyist communities.
2020-02-21T11:48:06 #kisslinux <fehawen> Really? I thought a lot of Asian countries were heavy on Linux users.
2020-02-21T11:48:13 #kisslinux <fehawen> Guess I was mistaken
2020-02-21T11:48:31 #kisslinux <fehawen> usage*
2020-02-21T11:48:37 #kisslinux <fehawen> whatevs
2020-02-21T11:49:04 #kisslinux <icyphox> There are a lot, mind you. I'm talking purely about enterprise -- what the orgs provides their employees with.
2020-02-21T11:49:12 #kisslinux <icyphox> *provide
2020-02-21T11:49:33 #kisslinux <fehawen> Oh, right. Gotcha. Makes sense
2020-02-21T11:50:07 #kisslinux <icyphox> But yes, I'm seeing a ton of folks active in "free / open source" communities using Macs.
2020-02-21T11:50:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> When I went to university a few years ago, no one had ever used Linux (nor heard of it). This is Comp-Sci + Networking
2020-02-21T11:50:26 #kisslinux <icyphox> I don't understand their reasoning. I mean, you work in free software but you use... a Mac?
2020-02-21T11:50:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You don't have to use a FOSS OS to release FOSS software. (Though it makes a lot of sense)
2020-02-21T11:51:01 #kisslinux <icyphox> dylanaraps: Man same. I'm in Uni right now (3rd year) and I guarantee you -- 90% don't know what Linux is.
2020-02-21T11:51:23 #kisslinux <icyphox> I mean, yeah but are you really supporting FOSS in that case?
2020-02-21T11:51:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's no such thing
2020-02-21T11:52:03 #kisslinux <icyphox> What do you mean?
2020-02-21T11:52:22 #kisslinux <adamantium> People talk about open source / free software like it's the gospel but I just doubt the whole thing anymore
2020-02-21T11:52:50 #kisslinux <icyphox> I think I'm a bit of a free software / digital privacy extremist.
2020-02-21T11:52:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's no singular FOSS to "support". If you release FOSS software... you release FOSS software regardless of the OS it is for.
2020-02-21T11:53:09 #kisslinux <icyphox> No I meant the ideology dylanaraps.
2020-02-21T11:53:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh
2020-02-21T11:53:25 #kisslinux <icyphox> The philosophy of Free and Open Source.
2020-02-21T11:53:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Eh
2020-02-21T11:53:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's a means for free labour nowadays
2020-02-21T11:54:01 #kisslinux <adamantium> ^^
2020-02-21T11:54:02 #kisslinux <adamantium> !
2020-02-21T11:54:05 #kisslinux <icyphox> Open source is. That's how orgs get shit done these days.
2020-02-21T11:54:33 #kisslinux <adamantium> I will proprietary my stuff without the slightest guilt
2020-02-21T11:54:41 #kisslinux <icyphox> Really?
2020-02-21T11:54:44 #kisslinux <adamantium> YUP
2020-02-21T11:54:45 #kisslinux <icyphox> I can never.
2020-02-21T11:54:46 #kisslinux <adamantium> It's mine
2020-02-21T11:54:56 #kisslinux <icyphox> No wait, you mean your code?
2020-02-21T11:54:57 #kisslinux <adamantium> I believe in personal property as a human right
2020-02-21T11:55:02 #kisslinux <icyphox> Ah that way. Sure absolutely.
2020-02-21T11:55:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Company <3 Open Source (HAH)
2020-02-21T11:55:26 #kisslinux <icyphox> I don't use proprietary software.
2020-02-21T11:55:31 #kisslinux <icyphox> Or I try not to anyway.
2020-02-21T11:56:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Elementary are working on embedding a payment system into Flatpaks. This is seen as a good thing apparently.
2020-02-21T11:57:03 #kisslinux <icyphox> Oh yeah, I saw that.
2020-02-21T11:57:07 #kisslinux <icyphox> Absurd.
2020-02-21T11:57:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> App stores are becoming more and more common on Linux too
2020-02-21T11:58:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Because software installation wasn't a solved problem via repositories + package managers
2020-02-21T11:59:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Wasn't this one of the good parts of Linux/BSD/etc that was touted to those using Windows/MacOS?
2020-02-21T11:59:41 #kisslinux <icyphox> Yeah this is all a part of making Linux "mainstream".
2020-02-21T11:59:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We need apps in containers which ship with all of their dependencies/runtime in a sandbox where the app dictates it's security level
2020-02-21T12:00:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Now we've solved the problem
2020-02-21T12:00:09 #kisslinux <icyphox> lol
2020-02-21T12:00:29 #kisslinux <icyphox> Stupidity at its highest order.
2020-02-21T12:00:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's a flatpak to modify sandbox permissions of other flatpaks. It works by giving itself access to the flatpak config dir in your $HOME.
2020-02-21T12:01:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See anything wrong with this?
2020-02-21T12:01:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ...
2020-02-21T12:01:33 #kisslinux * icyphox sighs
2020-02-21T12:04:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is fine too apparently: https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/firefox#n32
2020-02-21T12:05:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Google API keys > Mozilla API keys > Note: These are for Arch Linux use ONLY.
2020-02-21T12:06:09 #kisslinux <paper_> Void does this too BTW
2020-02-21T12:06:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-02-21T12:06:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All distributions do. Gentoo does, Debian does (last I checked).
2020-02-21T12:06:54 #kisslinux <paper_> I used to build my own copy of it, but it was too time consuming
2020-02-21T12:07:10 #kisslinux <paper_> And now they even release more often...
2020-02-21T12:07:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> KISS' Firefox (and -bin) don't ship with API keys.
2020-02-21T12:07:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-02-21T12:07:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's why I swapped us to the extended release.
2020-02-21T12:07:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Less builds and less surprises.
2020-02-21T12:07:47 #kisslinux <paper_> I know, it's cool.
2020-02-21T12:08:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Our Firefox also _shouldn't_ phone home at all. This was far too difficult to do..
2020-02-21T12:09:01 #kisslinux <paper_> I looked at your config while I was working on bonsai. It was really pretty.
2020-02-21T12:10:43 #kisslinux <paper_> It seems like alpine doesn't have API keys
2020-02-21T12:10:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-02-21T12:11:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm surprised that Debian does
2020-02-21T12:11:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They're usually strict about this sort of thing.
2020-02-21T12:12:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK, just checked traffic in our Firefox (with -privacy) and no phoning home on open at all.
2020-02-21T12:14:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Related: https://lwn.net/Articles/570485/
2020-02-21T12:15:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2013/10/msg00012.html
2020-02-21T12:21:39 #kisslinux <konimex> > I don't understand their reasoning. I mean, you work in free software but you use... a Mac?
2020-02-21T12:22:00 #kisslinux <konimex> most of free software development happened in the Unix(-like) world, and Mac is Unix
2020-02-21T12:41:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://k1ss.org/faq
2020-02-21T12:42:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Working on a comprehensive FAQ for the website. Any suggestions?
2020-02-21T12:42:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll be digging through the IRC logs, etc to see what often comes up.
2020-02-21T12:42:47 #kisslinux <konimex> why can't the kernel boot perhaps
2020-02-21T12:43:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's a good one
2020-02-21T12:44:28 #kisslinux <illiliti> 'install' command also need to be in exceptions
2020-02-21T12:45:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illiliti: Will do
2020-02-21T12:45:47 #kisslinux <fehawen> Common mistakes and pitfalls? Useful mainly for "newer" users rather than the experienced ones, but might be nice to have perhaps.
2020-02-21T12:45:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-02-21T12:47:04 #kisslinux <fehawen> Needless to say perhaps, but mistakes/pitfalls should be matched with recommendations/best practices etc
2020-02-21T12:47:30 #kisslinux <fehawen> The do's and don't's so to speak
2020-02-21T12:47:52 #kisslinux <fehawen> don'ts'
2020-02-21T12:47:58 #kisslinux <fehawen> how do you spell that lol
2020-02-21T12:48:48 #kisslinux <konimex> dont's
2020-02-21T12:48:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> do's and don'ts
2020-02-21T12:48:51 #kisslinux <konimex> probably
2020-02-21T12:49:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> English sucks huh
2020-02-21T12:49:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Next KISS tarball will be 100% Spanish
2020-02-21T12:49:56 #kisslinux <dzove855> .... :(
2020-02-21T12:50:14 #kisslinux <konimex> spanish? not greek? or the language has to be ASCII-compliant?
2020-02-21T12:51:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> More a reference to the first testimonial
2020-02-21T12:51:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ;)
2020-02-21T12:51:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://k1ss.org/testimonials
2020-02-21T12:51:11 #kisslinux <konimex> ah
2020-02-21T12:54:24 #kisslinux <dzove855> that explains
2020-02-21T12:54:28 #kisslinux <fehawen> kissme.org is available
2020-02-21T12:54:34 #kisslinux <fehawen> that'd be kickass
2020-02-21T12:55:02 #kisslinux <fehawen> and that comment on goat pee is just weird, not sure what swedish person'd make that connection
2020-02-21T12:55:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I received a lot of comments about it
2020-02-21T12:56:12 #kisslinux <konimex> should've made the logo a goat pissing eh
2020-02-21T12:56:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Is goatpiss.org available?
2020-02-21T12:57:18 #kisslinux <fehawen> goatpiss.org "This site can’t be reached"
2020-02-21T12:57:22 #kisslinux <fehawen> Let me check
2020-02-21T12:57:48 #kisslinux <konimex> domain squatters are everywhere so if it is available i'd say grab it if you want
2020-02-21T12:58:15 #kisslinux <fehawen> goatpiss.org is avail
2020-02-21T12:58:31 #kisslinux <fehawen> as is .com
2020-02-21T12:58:47 #kisslinux <fehawen> though org is preferred I assume
2020-02-21T12:59:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-02-21T12:59:29 #kisslinux <konimex> .io if you want that "start-up" feeling
2020-02-21T12:59:36 #kisslinux <fehawen> Sure
2020-02-21T12:59:45 #kisslinux <fehawen> And twenty times the cost lol
2020-02-21T13:00:59 #kisslinux <dzove855> well.. goatpiss.stream or goatpiss.theater would be bettier
2020-02-21T13:01:02 #kisslinux <dzove855> better*
2020-02-21T13:01:35 #kisslinux <fehawen> kiss.website is availabe
2020-02-21T13:01:49 #kisslinux <fehawen> didn't know .website existed
2020-02-21T13:02:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> goatpiss.best is also available
2020-02-21T13:02:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> goatpiss.life
2020-02-21T13:02:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> goatpiss.club
2020-02-21T13:02:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> goatpiss.art
2020-02-21T13:03:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> goatpiss.space is $1. Bargain
2020-02-21T13:04:05 #kisslinux <fehawen> kissgoats.life would be fun
2020-02-21T13:04:53 #kisslinux <fehawen> kissgoats.club would be a strange fraternity
2020-02-21T13:11:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://k1ss.org/faq
2020-02-21T13:11:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Added a couple more
2020-02-21T13:12:48 #kisslinux <konimex> writing an issue to yourself, that's a new one
2020-02-21T13:13:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ??
2020-02-21T13:13:53 #kisslinux <konimex> see the new issue on github/community
2020-02-21T13:14:00 #kisslinux <konimex> #444
2020-02-21T13:14:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not really, though it's new for us.
2020-02-21T13:14:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I typically see people open a bug report and then later send a patch for it.
2020-02-21T13:15:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> As a means of documenting the bug's existence prior.
2020-02-21T13:15:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/444
2020-02-21T13:15:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though this is funny
2020-02-21T13:15:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> >  a-schaefers commented 2 minutes ago
2020-02-21T13:15:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > @a-schaefers
2020-02-21T13:41:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o/
2020-02-21T13:48:13 #kisslinux <illiliti> hi
2020-02-21T13:48:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-02-21T13:51:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll push a change to become maintainer later today for Falkon and friends Dylan
2020-02-21T13:52:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All good
2020-02-21T13:52:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No real rus
2020-02-21T13:52:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> rush*
2020-02-21T14:06:43 #kisslinux <fehawen> dylanaraps: Is "git push --force" preferred to keep sowm PR's to a single commit?
2020-02-21T14:17:38 #kisslinux <adamantium> Hey dylanaraps there might actually be merit to using a mailing list linux kernel style, we could make the entry barrier even higher, thusly satisfying our elitist sentiments
2020-02-21T14:18:08 #kisslinux <adamantium> Case in point, check out the spacemacs project, https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues look at those issues. There is even issues about how to clean up issues
2020-02-21T14:18:35 #kisslinux <adamantium> It seems the github issues model is just not scalable for a popular project, probably why the linux kernel doesn't use it
2020-02-21T14:18:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> mailing list to track issues?
2020-02-21T14:18:56 #kisslinux <adamantium> Mailing list for everything
2020-02-21T14:19:01 #kisslinux <adamantium> goodbye github
2020-02-21T14:19:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> is sr.ht an option?
2020-02-21T14:19:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> fehawen: Yup
2020-02-21T14:19:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://sourcehut.org/
2020-02-21T14:19:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No
2020-02-21T14:19:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> GitHub is fine
2020-02-21T14:20:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Spacemacs just suck at managing their issue list
2020-02-21T14:20:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, they need to learn to say "no".
2020-02-21T14:20:33 #kisslinux <adamantium> Lol
2020-02-21T14:20:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2020-02-21T14:21:14 #kisslinux <adamantium> I'm only half serious, we make good use of github, we have lives and are mostly millenials it seems, we don't know the struggle
2020-02-21T14:21:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See: https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch/issues
2020-02-21T14:21:24 #kisslinux <adamantium> But Man those mailing lists <3
2020-02-21T14:21:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 11 open, 618 closed
2020-02-21T14:22:59 #kisslinux <adamantium> Yeah other noteworthy github projects might be systemd and nixos
2020-02-21T14:23:18 #kisslinux <adamantium> Hmm I might have a point actually
2020-02-21T14:24:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Since I've started KISS I've changed my issue process. I say no to features I won't ever add and I fix bugs the moment they come my way.
2020-02-21T14:24:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's far easier to deal with.
2020-02-21T14:24:35 #kisslinux <adamantium> fix the bug or remove the feature
2020-02-21T14:24:41 #kisslinux <adamantium> that's how
2020-02-21T14:25:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also, the issue tracker shouldn't be used as a support forum
2020-02-21T14:25:27 #kisslinux <illiliti> +1 for github. it more friendly than mailing lists
2020-02-21T14:26:15 #kisslinux <adamantium> doesn't satisfy the masochist
2020-02-21T14:26:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Here's 234 issues which can be closed
2020-02-21T14:26:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/labels/Fixed%20in%20develop
2020-02-21T14:26:28 #kisslinux <adamantium> i'll open an issue about it
2020-02-21T14:26:30 #kisslinux <adamantium> lol
2020-02-21T14:26:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> "Fixed in develop"
2020-02-21T14:26:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So... it's done then
2020-02-21T14:26:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Close it
2020-02-21T14:27:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/issues/512
2020-02-21T14:27:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Stuff like this
2020-02-21T14:27:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just close it
2020-02-21T14:27:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's been 5 years
2020-02-21T14:27:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No one cares about it
2020-02-21T14:27:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Otherwise it'd be done already
2020-02-21T14:31:43 #kisslinux <adamantium> right
2020-02-21T14:31:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 80~ issues can't be reproduced and are 4+ years old. Close them.
2020-02-21T14:32:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If you couldn't repoduce them the year they were opened, you never will.
2020-02-21T14:32:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Besides, which so many change to the code over that time period... Good luck
2020-02-21T14:33:18 #kisslinux <konimex> it's emacs so there's that
2020-02-21T14:33:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ;)
2020-02-21T14:34:25 #kisslinux <adamantium> konimex: i'm trying to get you your mailing list here
2020-02-21T14:34:32 #kisslinux <adamantium> konimex: so just lay off my emacs okay
2020-02-21T14:34:50 #kisslinux <adamantium> ;-)
2020-02-21T14:34:59 #kisslinux <konimex> it's not really urgent (i.e. must-have), would be nice but not urgent
2020-02-21T14:36:47 #kisslinux <konimex> besides, if one's comfortable with the github workflow then so be it, no further questions asked
2020-02-21T14:38:30 #kisslinux <adamantium> im considering removing all web browsers sticking strictly to my cli tools and Emacs, still using Xorg with 'exec emacs' sans Exwm extensions, though, basically only for the better keyboard modifier support
2020-02-21T14:39:00 #kisslinux <adamantium> When I "need" a web browser, I could just use my phone, or windows 10
2020-02-21T14:39:49 #kisslinux <adamantium> I would still have emacs eww for text browsing plain html sites and documentation online, additionally mpv + youtube-dl works great for youtube in a pinch
2020-02-21T14:41:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-02-21T14:50:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> back
2020-02-21T15:00:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/dylanaraps/lapstop
2020-02-21T15:00:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> adamantium: It lives
2020-02-21T15:01:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ((((((((name pending))))))))
2020-02-21T15:01:14 #kisslinux <adamantium> awww
2020-02-21T15:01:42 #kisslinux <adamantium> (defun main () ) ;; shall we write this elisp
2020-02-21T15:01:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> no
2020-02-21T15:01:56 #kisslinux <adamantium> k
2020-02-21T15:02:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It'll simply have two modes
2020-02-21T15:02:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> battery
2020-02-21T15:02:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> power
2020-02-21T15:02:18 #kisslinux <adamantium> Well
2020-02-21T15:02:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> and change settings accordingly
2020-02-21T15:02:31 #kisslinux <adamantium> That's the easy part
2020-02-21T15:02:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which is simple writes to /sys /proc /whatever
2020-02-21T15:03:04 #kisslinux <adamantium> The harder part will be handling disks, usb ports, and wifi
2020-02-21T15:03:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This will be limited to laptops
2020-02-21T15:03:38 #kisslinux <adamantium> unless it's going to be just a simple, adjust your governor from performance toe powersave mode, in which running spm as root can already do it
2020-02-21T15:03:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> no no
2020-02-21T15:03:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It'll do full tuning
2020-02-21T15:04:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Whatever makes sense for a laptop
2020-02-21T15:04:36 #kisslinux <adamantium> one question is how will you detect the change from battery to plugged in
2020-02-21T15:04:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's up to you
2020-02-21T15:04:48 #kisslinux <adamantium> My script is a dumb one, it only polls every 10 seconds using sleep
2020-02-21T15:04:57 #kisslinux <adamantium> i dont know what is available to us without dbus
2020-02-21T15:05:14 #kisslinux <adamantium> presumeably sockets or should be a way to do this though
2020-02-21T15:05:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's probably a kernel interface you can simply plug into with a daemon
2020-02-21T15:06:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Can simply do a check on terminal open
2020-02-21T15:06:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's how I'm gonna do it.
2020-02-21T15:06:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > read -r status < "/sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/status"
2020-02-21T15:07:10 #kisslinux <adamantium> BAT*
2020-02-21T15:07:16 #kisslinux <adamantium> it's usually BAT0
2020-02-21T15:07:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mine is BAT1
2020-02-21T15:07:27 #kisslinux <adamantium> That's fine
2020-02-21T15:07:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Again, this is left to the user
2020-02-21T15:07:30 #kisslinux <paper_> so bonsai is officially dead :(
2020-02-21T15:07:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Why?
2020-02-21T15:07:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-02-21T15:07:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dinner
2020-02-21T15:07:59 #kisslinux <paper_> mitch lost interest in it and archived the repo
2020-02-21T15:08:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Was it usable on hardware?
2020-02-21T15:08:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie as a daily driver
2020-02-21T15:08:47 #kisslinux <paper_> yes, kind of
2020-02-21T15:08:56 #kisslinux <paper_> we didn't have a proper web browser
2020-02-21T15:09:05 #kisslinux <paper_> x11 was not done
2020-02-21T15:09:37 #kisslinux <paper_> (fully)
2020-02-21T15:19:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Right
2020-02-21T16:09:27 #kisslinux <paper_> why are you using wget in the install page?
2020-02-21T16:09:32 #kisslinux <paper_> isn't curl better?
2020-02-21T16:09:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It doesn't really matter
2020-02-21T16:09:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The user can use whatever they like
2020-02-21T16:10:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's an example more or less
2020-02-21T16:10:35 #kisslinux <paper_> ok
2020-02-21T16:19:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> doesn't wget have some benefits over curl for downloads?
2020-02-21T16:22:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not really
2020-02-21T16:22:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> wget can do scraping, etc
2020-02-21T16:22:50 #kisslinux <paper_> wget displays a warning when it fails
2020-02-21T16:22:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> For this use-case (and the package manager's) there's no real difference.
2020-02-21T16:22:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So does cur
2020-02-21T16:22:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> curl*
2020-02-21T16:23:05 #kisslinux <paper_> not always
2020-02-21T16:23:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You just need the right flags.
2020-02-21T16:23:50 #kisslinux <paper_> of course, but wget does it by default
2020-02-21T16:25:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-02-21T16:25:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> wget's only job is to download files.
2020-02-21T16:26:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> curl is a client for various protocols.
2020-02-21T16:39:29 #kisslinux <paper_> https://k1ss.org/news/20200114a.html's link to Team is broken
2020-02-21T16:39:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks
2020-02-21T16:39:45 #kisslinux <paper_> and news use wrong theme I think
2020-02-21T16:40:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-02-21T16:40:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All old posts use the old theme. It's intentional.
2020-02-21T16:41:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The new website doesn't use markdown.
2020-02-21T16:41:10 #kisslinux <paper_> ok, but then all the links on top are wrong
2020-02-21T16:41:17 #kisslinux <paper_> they have a slash behind them
2020-02-21T16:41:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Think of them as archived. I'll fix those links though.
2020-02-21T16:44:21 #kisslinux <paper_> thanks
2020-02-21T16:48:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Done
2020-02-21T16:48:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I haven't touched body links though.
2020-02-21T17:27:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is coming along nicely. https://github.com/dylanaraps/pow/blob/master/pow
2020-02-21T17:27:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> neat
2020-02-21T17:47:22 #kisslinux <fehawen> Laters o/
2020-02-21T17:51:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ciao
2020-02-21T18:27:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dylanaraps: the website links for this channel and repology need to be updated
2020-02-21T18:27:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will do
2020-02-21T18:28:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which page?
2020-02-21T18:32:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> sorry, not the website links for the page but the ones on the pages
2020-02-21T18:33:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the URL for this channel points to getkiss.org
2020-02-21T18:34:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and the repology pages for the KISS repositories also point to getkiss.org instead of k1ss.org
2020-02-21T18:34:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://repology.org/repository/kiss_community
2020-02-21T18:34:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-02-21T18:34:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Gotcha
2020-02-21T18:34:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks
2020-02-21T18:35:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> np
2020-02-21T18:45:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/dylanaraps/pow/blob/master/pow
2020-02-21T18:45:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is looking pretty good now
2020-02-21T18:46:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This _should_ handle all of powertop's demands once I fix WiFi/wake on lan.
2020-02-21T18:51:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> brb
2020-02-21T18:54:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> back
2020-02-21T19:05:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > -> doas powertop
2020-02-21T19:05:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> modprobe cpufreq_stats failedmodprobe msr failedFailed to mount debugfs!
2020-02-21T19:05:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> exiting...
2020-02-21T19:05:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> How horrible
2020-02-21T19:06:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/fenrus75/powertop/blob/c478da4a9e2fd682edb673236fcf4ee9170fc8d7/src/main.cpp#L364-L369
2020-02-21T19:06:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It just tries modprobe
2020-02-21T19:07:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Great
2020-02-21T19:08:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh
2020-02-21T19:08:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's failing lower ;)
2020-02-21T19:09:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Several kernel options must be enabled in the kernel for PowerTOP to work properly.
2020-02-21T19:09:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > These include: CONFIG_DEBUG_FS, CONFIG_TRACING, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IO_TRACE, CONFIG_TIMER_STATS (was removed in kernel 4.11), CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT, and CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT_DETAILS (removed in 4.11, and rolled into CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT).
2020-02-21T19:10:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-02-21T19:28:52 #kisslinux <asineth0> hey i was just wondering how hard would it be to setup kiss on luks?
2020-02-21T19:30:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello. No idea personally as I don't encrypt my drives. There's a Wiki page about it though. https://github.com/kisslinux/wiki/wiki/Full-disk-encryption
2020-02-21T19:31:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The first caveat is something which can be solved iirc. ioraff:
2020-02-21T19:32:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-02-21T19:35:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> woo hoo. pow covers 90%~ of all powertop tunables
2020-02-21T19:37:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK. Knocked it down to 3 remaining
2020-02-21T19:37:58 #kisslinux <asineth0> is there any reason for kiss to not support an initramfs?
2020-02-21T19:38:19 #kisslinux <paper_> ^ FAQ
2020-02-21T19:38:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> paper_: I'm rewriting the FAQ. It's actually been gone for a while.
2020-02-21T19:39:00 #kisslinux <paper_> really? cool
2020-02-21T19:39:11 #kisslinux <paper_> this is one thing you should add
2020-02-21T19:39:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://k1ss.org/faq
2020-02-21T19:39:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-02-21T19:39:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> asineth0: To sum it up right now. KISS supports an initramfs, it just doesn't provide one.
2020-02-21T19:40:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I find the entire initramfs concept horrible.
2020-02-21T19:40:56 #kisslinux <paper_> I noticed you use /boot/grub/grub.cfg in the install, but this file does not exist. Maybe you could mention that people can copy it from /etc/default/grub
2020-02-21T19:41:07 #kisslinux <paper_> *install guide
2020-02-21T19:41:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> paper_ 'grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg' installs it.
2020-02-21T19:41:37 #kisslinux <paper_> lol, don't mind me
2020-02-21T19:41:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> asineth0: illiliti is working on an initramfs tool for KISS.
2020-02-21T19:41:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/illiliti/initramfs
2020-02-21T19:41:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dracut might be dropping non-systemd support too.
2020-02-21T19:42:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Other tools are distribution-specific.
2020-02-21T19:42:17 #kisslinux <asineth0> looks interesting
2020-02-21T19:43:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Fedora are swapping to pre-generated initramfs archives too
2020-02-21T19:43:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, you don't generate it locally on each kernel update
2020-02-21T19:47:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK. pow now passes powertop's tunables list. https://github.com/dylanaraps/pow/blob/master/pow
2020-02-21T19:47:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :D
2020-02-21T19:51:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> Nice!
2020-02-21T19:52:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It may differ on other machines fyi
2020-02-21T19:52:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will add more rules as they come in
2020-02-21T20:41:32 #kisslinux <hmhb> Hi guys,I’m currently building kiss but am stuck at “kiss b e2fsprogs”
2020-02-21T20:41:51 #kisslinux <hmhb> C compiler cannot create executables
2020-02-21T20:42:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> hmhb: 'echo "$CFLAGS : $CXXFLAGS : $MAKEFLAGS : $LDFLAGS"'
2020-02-21T20:42:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Send me the output of that.
2020-02-21T20:42:39 #kisslinux <hmhb> Sec
2020-02-21T20:43:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> You can pipe it like this to upload it to termbin: echo "bla bla" | nc termbin.com:9999
2020-02-21T20:43:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> https://termbin.com/m9zj
2020-02-21T20:43:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Example
2020-02-21T20:45:09 #kisslinux <hmhb> -o3 -pipe -march=native : -o3 -pipe -march=native : -j13 : LDFLAGS
2020-02-21T20:45:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Must be: -O3
2020-02-21T20:45:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Capital O
2020-02-21T20:45:44 #kisslinux <hmhb> God damn
2020-02-21T20:45:48 #kisslinux <hmhb> Brb
2020-02-21T20:45:56 #kisslinux <hmhb> I had a small o
2020-02-21T20:48:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> :P
2020-02-21T20:50:24 #kisslinux <hmhb> Yea now it’s building lolz the first time like 30sec
2020-02-21T20:50:32 #kisslinux <hmhb> Thanks 🙏
2020-02-21T20:51:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> No problem
2020-02-21T20:52:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> I've added this to the FAQ as well. https://k1ss.org/faq
2020-02-21T20:54:52 #kisslinux <hmhb> Makes sense it’s a easy thing to oversee
2020-02-21T20:55:04 #kisslinux <hmhb> Atleast for my first timebuilding
2020-02-21T20:55:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Yup
2020-02-21T20:55:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> The FAQ is new and I'm adding questions as they come in
2020-02-21T20:55:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> This isn't really a question, but oh well. It's helpful.
2020-02-21T20:58:29 #kisslinux <hmhb> Ofc it’s helpful,if you wouldn’t have answered I’d have to quite. Can’t go any further if you dont fix it
2020-02-21T20:59:34 #kisslinux <hmhb>    # NOTE: The 'O' in '-O3' is the letter O and NOT 0 (ZERO).
2020-02-21T20:59:52 #kisslinux <hmhb> add it maybe in there to
2020-02-21T21:00:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> I'll be adding a snippet to the top of the install guide which will say something like: "Refer to the FAQ if you haveany issues, else join the IRC and someone will assist you."
2020-02-21T21:01:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/releases/tag/1.7.0
2020-02-21T21:01:56 #kisslinux <hmhb> Do that,you know how people immediately panic and fuck up more
2020-02-21T21:03:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Done
2020-02-21T21:03:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Will be live in a minute or so.
2020-02-21T21:10:15 #kisslinux <fehawen> hey
2020-02-21T21:11:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> ello
2020-02-21T21:11:41 #kisslinux <mahmudov> can you open gmail account on falkon?
2020-02-21T21:12:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> You can
2020-02-21T21:12:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Just change your useragent to Firefox
2020-02-21T21:12:24 #kisslinux <mahmudov> ah ok-is it im settings?
2020-02-21T21:12:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Falkon has settings for this
2020-02-21T21:12:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Yeah
2020-02-21T21:12:30 #kisslinux <mahmudov> ok  thnks
2020-02-21T21:12:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> np
2020-02-21T21:13:18 #kisslinux <fehawen> dylanaraps: Do I use a Mod[num]Mask for Ctrl in sowm? Alt is obviously Mod4Mask
2020-02-21T21:13:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no
2020-02-21T21:13:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Mod1Mask is Alt
2020-02-21T21:13:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Mod4Mask is Super (or Windows key)
2020-02-21T21:13:49 #kisslinux <fehawen> Sorry, yes
2020-02-21T21:14:01 #kisslinux <fehawen> Typo, ish
2020-02-21T21:14:22 #kisslinux <fehawen> Are there Mod2-3?
2020-02-21T21:14:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> ControlMask
2020-02-21T21:14:32 #kisslinux <fehawen> Ah
2020-02-21T21:14:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> > https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.7/doc/libX11/XKB/xkblib.html
2020-02-21T21:14:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Under: Table 5.1. Real Modifier Masks
2020-02-21T21:22:26 #kisslinux <fehawen> Thank you
2020-02-21T21:28:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> No problem
2020-02-21T21:29:02 #kisslinux <fehawen> Here's a next "song of the day" btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOh9lJugKyc
2020-02-21T21:29:23 #kisslinux <fehawen> It was huge in Sweden back in the day, not so sure about rest of Europe or world though lol
2020-02-21T21:30:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> I have no sound right now. My soundcard doesn't like powersave apparently.
2020-02-21T21:30:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> I'll reboot and listen
2020-02-21T21:30:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> brb
2020-02-21T21:33:50 #kisslinux <fehawen> nah, on second thought I think we better stick to Neil Diamond, Pink Floyd etc and stuff lol
2020-02-21T21:35:33 #kisslinux <fehawen> > nah, on second thought I think we better stick to Neil Diamond, Pink Floyd etc and stuff lol
2020-02-21T21:35:45 #kisslinux <fehawen> think you quite before I wrote that heh
2020-02-21T21:40:49 #kisslinux <fehawen> quit*
2020-02-21T21:41:10 #kisslinux <fehawen> God. My spelling's terrible.
2020-02-21T21:44:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> back
2020-02-21T21:45:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Turns out a hard reboot is required to fix my sound card
2020-02-21T21:45:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It decides to just not function
2020-02-21T21:46:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's Greek huh
2020-02-21T21:47:00 #kisslinux <fehawen> Swedish/Greek artist(s)
2020-02-21T21:47:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-02-21T21:47:33 #kisslinux <fehawen> I think they were in Eurovision Song Contest one or two times
2020-02-21T21:48:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's better live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Aj2ah4H5dU
2020-02-21T21:49:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Various versions of Dinata exist. The song or rather the music was first published in 1986 as an instrumental piece by Night Ark (see below), whence its "official" English title, i.e. Homecoming.
2020-02-21T21:49:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Interesting
2020-02-21T21:50:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > "Dinata Dinata" was covered by Greek-Swedish duo Antique. It was released in November 1999 as the second single from their debut album, Mera Me Ti Mera. It reached the top 10 in Romania, Italy and Sweden.
2020-02-21T21:50:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > A Turkish version of the song was released by Sezen Aksu with the title Sarışınım on the 1988 album Sezen Aksu'88.
2020-02-21T21:50:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Cool history
2020-02-21T21:52:00 #kisslinux <fehawen> Did not know any of that
2020-02-21T21:52:33 #kisslinux <fehawen> Although I recall there being some mentions of it being a cover when Antique released their version
2020-02-21T21:55:09 #kisslinux <fehawen> Here's a more realistic song of the day candidate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyOaCXr8Lw
2020-02-21T21:55:34 #kisslinux <fehawen> Or suitable, perhaps
2020-02-21T21:55:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Heh
2020-02-21T21:56:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is good too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef9QnZVpVd8
2020-02-21T21:56:46 #kisslinux <fehawen> Yep
2020-02-21T21:56:55 #kisslinux <fehawen> Gimme Shelter as well
2020-02-21T21:57:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-02-21T21:57:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sympathy for the Devil
2020-02-21T21:57:18 #kisslinux <fehawen> Oh yeah
2020-02-21T21:57:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Paint it black
2020-02-21T21:57:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> She's a rainbow
2020-02-21T21:57:50 #kisslinux <altius> Hi all. If you want to stick to something Greek, may I suggest Aphrodite's Child? The band with Vangelis and Demis Roussos... 666 is a hell of a record, pun intended. :)
2020-02-21T21:57:53 #kisslinux <fehawen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj8lRssjN48
2020-02-21T21:58:31 #kisslinux <altius> Irene Papas sang a piece in that record... Or something. ;)
2020-02-21T21:58:44 #kisslinux <fehawen> altius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KCbqhJt16k
2020-02-21T21:59:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> altius: Είσαι Έλληνας?
2020-02-21T22:00:23 #kisslinux <altius> Yep, that's one of the jewels. Vangelis did great after that, Demis, well... Demis was a successful act for a while. XD
2020-02-21T22:02:40 #kisslinux <altius> dylanaraps Am I Greek, you mean? No, I studied classical Greek at high school and a little after that, but didn't learn that much. XD
2020-02-21T22:02:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-02-21T22:04:00 #kisslinux <altius> I'm Mediterranean anyway, remember me? We talked some days before. ;)
2020-02-21T22:04:02 #kisslinux <fehawen> dylanaraps: You speak Greek I take it?
2020-02-21T22:04:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I do
2020-02-21T22:04:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> altius: I forgot entirely. lol
2020-02-21T22:04:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> fehawen: I grew up with my Grandparents in the same house and they didn't speak English.
2020-02-21T22:05:06 #kisslinux <fehawen> Nice
2020-02-21T22:05:06 #kisslinux <altius> Oh, no. I studied the grammar and so on, but don't have that much vocabulary as to keep a conversation.
2020-02-21T22:05:14 #kisslinux <fehawen> Wish I knew/remebered more Greek
2020-02-21T22:05:22 #kisslinux <fehawen> Mom's fluent though, pretty cool
2020-02-21T22:05:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Neat
2020-02-21T22:05:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm not 100% yet
2020-02-21T22:05:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's hard as everyone speaks English and most things are written in English
2020-02-21T22:06:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> When you can rely on your first language it's harder ;)
2020-02-21T22:06:27 #kisslinux <fehawen> Indeed
2020-02-21T22:06:34 #kisslinux <fehawen> Things were better before the Euro
2020-02-21T22:06:37 #kisslinux <altius> I talk Spanish, Catalan and a little Italian and French. English, I try to do my best, sorry! XD
2020-02-21T22:06:40 #kisslinux <fehawen> And cheaper :P
2020-02-21T22:07:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> altius: Your English is fine
2020-02-21T22:07:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> fehawen: That's what everyone keeps telling me
2020-02-21T22:07:34 #kisslinux <fehawen> Yep
2020-02-21T22:07:58 #kisslinux <fehawen> They blame Germany perhaps a bit too much for the financial situation
2020-02-21T22:08:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The Greeks don't like banks and keep all of their money at home
2020-02-21T22:08:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The swap to Euro forced them to declare everything
2020-02-21T22:08:26 #kisslinux <fehawen> Before the Euro, receipts were never to be seen
2020-02-21T22:08:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They still aren't
2020-02-21T22:08:40 #kisslinux <fehawen> nowhere*
2020-02-21T22:08:41 #kisslinux <altius> I wish it was better. I have mostly learnt this watching movies and reading comic books. Not the best of schools, I think. XD
2020-02-21T22:09:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> When someone does the rounds checking stores, the first store calls someone to warn them and it gets around.
2020-02-21T22:09:11 #kisslinux <fehawen> But when they introduced the Euro, all restuarants, shops etc would literally push the receipt in your hand
2020-02-21T22:09:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You'll get a fake receipt on your table if this happens
2020-02-21T22:09:18 #kisslinux <fehawen> Probably different now again though
2020-02-21T22:09:24 #kisslinux <fehawen> Oh, ok
2020-02-21T22:09:37 #kisslinux <fehawen> Haven't been back since 2014 I think
2020-02-21T22:09:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Everyone still hides all of their money
2020-02-21T22:09:53 #kisslinux <hmhb> Now the kiss b grub failed somewhere after 4min
2020-02-21T22:09:55 #kisslinux <fehawen> My parents go every year though still, we have friends living there still.
2020-02-21T22:10:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hmhb: Send me the log. nc termbin.com:9999 < /path/to/log
2020-02-21T22:10:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> fehawen: Nice. Where abouts?
2020-02-21T22:10:37 #kisslinux <fehawen> dylanaraps: Πάτμος
2020-02-21T22:10:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I haven't been
2020-02-21T22:11:45 #kisslinux <fehawen> Only place I've been, except for Athens, Samos or Kos when waiting for the ferry
2020-02-21T22:12:11 #kisslinux <fehawen> Or dolphin boats, but not sure they still have them
2020-02-21T22:13:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I live in Λευκάδα though my Mum is from Χαλκίδα and my Dad from Ρόδος
2020-02-21T22:13:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I haven't been to Rhodes yet
2020-02-21T22:13:22 #kisslinux <hmhb> Makefile 41603/41617/26403/11304/3343
2020-02-21T22:13:31 #kisslinux <hmhb> It’s a bigger list
2020-02-21T22:13:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Only went to Chalkida for a day as well
2020-02-21T22:13:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hmhb: I need the log file. When it failed it should have said "Build failed. Saved log to ....."
2020-02-21T22:17:05 #kisslinux <hmhb> What do i type in the terminal to send you the log?
2020-02-21T22:17:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hmhb: Send me the log. nc termbin.com:9999 < /path/to/log
2020-02-21T22:17:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I sent that message before
2020-02-21T22:19:29 #kisslinux <hmhb> I typed - nc termbin.com:9999 /root/.cache/kiss/logs/grub/2020-02-22:00-793276
2020-02-21T22:19:36 #kisslinux <hmhb> nothing happens
2020-02-21T22:19:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's '< /path/to/file'
2020-02-21T22:20:40 #kisslinux <hmhb> i think now its sent
2020-02-21T22:21:22 #kisslinux <hmhb> https://termbin.com/d0ia
2020-02-21T22:22:14 #kisslinux <hmhb> My bad! There’s the log
2020-02-21T22:22:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah, it's cut off. Run 'tail -1000 /path/to/file | nc termbin.com:9999'
2020-02-21T22:22:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All good
2020-02-21T22:23:45 #kisslinux <hmhb> https://termbin.com/gf43f
2020-02-21T22:24:11 #kisslinux <hmhb> the shit you can do i never knew of is mindblowing 😂
2020-02-21T22:24:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > error: SSE register return with SSE disabled
2020-02-21T22:24:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There it is
2020-02-21T22:25:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Have you run 'kiss update' by any chance?
2020-02-21T22:25:26 #kisslinux <hmhb> Yes
2020-02-21T22:25:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Alright.
2020-02-21T22:25:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll push a fix in a second.
2020-02-21T22:25:41 #kisslinux <hmhb> going step by step
2020-02-21T22:25:47 #kisslinux <hmhb> all good till now
2020-02-21T22:25:47 #kisslinux <the_other_kiedtl> dylanaraps: what daemon or demon could possibly be creating those goddamned `Documents` and `Downloads` directories in ~ on each reboot?
2020-02-21T22:25:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Do you have a Ryzen CPU?
2020-02-21T22:25:58 #kisslinux <hmhb> yes
2020-02-21T22:26:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I know exactly what the issue is then
2020-02-21T22:26:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> kiedtl: KISS has no daemons on boot other than the ones you enable.
2020-02-21T22:26:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Could be eudev if anything.
2020-02-21T22:26:56 #kisslinux <hmhb> is it a hard fix dylan?
2020-02-21T22:27:15 #kisslinux <the_other_kiedtl> weird
2020-02-21T22:27:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hmhb: No no
2020-02-21T22:27:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Send me the output of: printf %s "$CFLAGS" | sed 's/-march=w* //g'
2020-02-21T22:27:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's already a fix in place for this issue. It just doesn't seem to be working for you.
2020-02-21T22:29:11 #kisslinux <hmhb> Wouldn’t surprise me if my system is fucked up.. like always some random bs with it...
2020-02-21T22:29:14 #kisslinux <hmhb> output is
2020-02-21T22:29:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hmhb: I pushed a potential fix. Run 'kiss update'. Once it's done run 'kiss build grub' again.
2020-02-21T22:29:58 #kisslinux <hmhb> -O3 -pipe -march=native/var/db/kiss/repo/linux-5.5.5 #kisslinux
2020-02-21T22:30:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hmhb: Thanks
2020-02-21T22:30:24 #kisslinux <hmhb> # not #kisslinux
2020-02-21T22:30:59 #kisslinux <hmhb> building grub again
2020-02-21T22:31:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hmhb: OK.
2020-02-21T22:31:06 #kisslinux <hmhb> fingers crossed
2020-02-21T22:31:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Run 'kiss update' one more time.
2020-02-21T22:31:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I figured it out
2020-02-21T22:31:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I pushed a second fix.
2020-02-21T22:31:39 #kisslinux <hmhb> shit its already building grub,if it fails ill repeat kiss update
2020-02-21T22:31:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hmhb: It will fail.
2020-02-21T22:31:47 #kisslinux <hmhb> you where slow hahaha
2020-02-21T22:31:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ctrl+C
2020-02-21T22:32:21 #kisslinux <hmhb> third time building grub
2020-02-21T22:32:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Basically. Grub doesn't like '-march=native' and Ryzen CPUs so I strip '-march=' from the CFLAGS before building.
2020-02-21T22:32:46 #kisslinux <hmhb> Grubs a racist ehhhhhh
2020-02-21T22:32:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The strip wasn't working with your CFLAGS as I was checking for '-march=word '
2020-02-21T22:33:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> and your CFLAGS had '-march=word' at the end (no space!)
2020-02-21T22:33:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You ran 'kiss update' again right?
2020-02-21T22:33:17 #kisslinux <hmhb> yup
2020-02-21T22:33:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-02-21T22:33:53 #kisslinux <hmhb> seems as grub build is working much faster now,too!
2020-02-21T22:34:01 #kisslinux <hmhb> finished and all good
2020-02-21T22:34:16 #kisslinux <hmhb> That was fast compared to last time
2020-02-21T22:34:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Awesome
2020-02-21T22:35:42 #kisslinux <hmhb> Yea much better yesterday both grub and efibootmgr failed now they finished in 5sec
2020-02-21T22:37:34 #kisslinux <hmhb> Where to install grub /sdX
2020-02-21T22:37:43 #kisslinux <hmhb> that X what is it for?
2020-02-21T22:38:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The drive letter
2020-02-21T22:38:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Basically, replace X with the destination drive's letter.
2020-02-21T22:38:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's a placeholder.
2020-02-21T22:39:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Note: That's for a BIOS install of Grub.
2020-02-21T22:39:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You mentioned efibootmgr so I assume you're using UEFI?
2020-02-21T22:39:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You don't run them both. You run one of the two.
2020-02-21T22:40:10 #kisslinux <hmhb> I ran both
2020-02-21T22:40:14 #kisslinux <hmhb> grub and efi
2020-02-21T22:40:19 #kisslinux <hmhb> both worked
2020-02-21T22:40:25 #kisslinux <hmhb> am i fucked now
2020-02-21T22:41:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Well
2020-02-21T22:41:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What are the exact commands you used?
2020-02-21T22:42:00 #kisslinux <hmhb> 1st kiss b grub then kiss i grub
2020-02-21T22:42:07 #kisslinux <hmhb> 2nd kiss b efibootmgr
2020-02-21T22:42:14 #kisslinux <hmhb> kiss i efibootmgr
2020-02-21T22:42:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No no, I mean the 'grub-install' commands.
2020-02-21T22:43:47 #kisslinux <hmhb> grub-install /dev/sdX says cannot find EFI directory
2020-02-21T22:44:02 #kisslinux <hmhb> grub-install —target
2020-02-21T22:44:06 #kisslinux <hmhb> gives me
2020-02-21T22:44:08 #kisslinux <hmhb> <
2020-02-21T22:44:14 #kisslinux <hmhb> >
2020-02-21T22:44:20 #kisslinux <hmhb> what now?
2020-02-21T22:45:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The first grub-install command failed?
2020-02-21T22:45:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's good if so
2020-02-21T22:45:20 #kisslinux <hmhb> Yes
2020-02-21T22:45:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And the second one worked?
2020-02-21T22:45:43 #kisslinux <hmhb> Gives me “>”
2020-02-21T22:45:50 #kisslinux <hmhb> just stands there
2020-02-21T22:46:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's a quoting issue I think. Ctrl+D will fix it.
2020-02-21T22:48:05 #kisslinux <hmhb> grub-install —target=x86_64-efi 2020-02-21T22:48:09 #kisslinux <hmhb> gives me
2020-02-21T22:48:15 #kisslinux <hmhb> ’>
2020-02-21T22:48:20 #kisslinux <hmhb> nothing more
2020-02-21T22:48:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ctrl+D ?
2020-02-21T22:48:32 #kisslinux <hmhb> did that
2020-02-21T22:48:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ctrl+d ?
2020-02-21T22:48:56 #kisslinux <hmhb> unmounting /dev, /proc and /sys
2020-02-21T22:49:03 #kisslinux <hmhb> from chroot
2020-02-21T22:49:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-02-21T22:49:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You'll have to './kiss-chroot /mnt' to get back in.
2020-02-21T22:51:07 #kisslinux <hmhb> did that and again the grub-install —target=x86_64-efi 2020-02-21T22:51:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-02-21T22:51:14 #kisslinux <hmhb> shows this only
2020-02-21T22:51:16 #kisslinux <hmhb> >
2020-02-21T22:51:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Type it on one line
2020-02-21T22:51:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hit Ctrl+d to get the prompt back
2020-02-21T22:51:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ignoring the 2020-02-21T22:52:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=esp --bootloader-id=kiss
2020-02-21T22:52:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also, replace 'esp' with the path to your EFI mount point.
2020-02-21T22:54:53 #kisslinux <hmhb> where can i find the efi mount point again?
2020-02-21T22:55:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It depends on how you have set up your disks
2020-02-21T22:55:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can't answer this one
2020-02-21T22:57:53 #kisslinux <hmhb> nvme0n1 465G disk —- nvme0n1p1 = 600M /boot —- nvme0n1p2 = 8G /swap —— nvme0n1p3 = 457G /
2020-02-21T23:00:01 #kisslinux <hmhb> All 3 nvme0n1 say “failed to get canonical path of ‘nvme0n1etc...’
2020-02-21T23:00:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Looks like esp should be /boot
2020-02-21T23:01:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though the EFI partition is sometimes mounted to /boot/EFI
2020-02-21T23:01:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't know how your disks are setup
2020-02-21T23:02:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I really need to go to sleep. It's very late here. I'll be able to help in the morning (6 hours roughly)
2020-02-21T23:02:17 #kisslinux <hmhb> I’ll try to figure it out
2020-02-21T23:02:34 #kisslinux <hmhb> dont worry ill do a clean start maybe
2020-02-21T23:03:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Alrighty
2020-02-21T23:03:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Caio
2020-02-21T23:03:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ciao*
2020-02-21T23:05:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot --bootloader-id=kiss
2020-02-21T23:05:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> Should do it?
2020-02-21T23:16:42 #kisslinux <j3s[m]> yo dylanaraps - just wanted to shout you out for building a *chef hand* distro - kiss is literally the distro i've been looking for for years.
2020-02-21T23:17:49 #kisslinux <j3s[m]> Also, I'm interested in how you feel about matrix vs. IRC, or whether you have any opinions on the subject.
2020-02-21T23:23:55 #kisslinux <fehawen2> dylanaraps: Can I use "-x" to pass a command to run on start in birch?
2020-02-21T23:29:59 #kisslinux <aarng> fehawen2, dylan went to bed
2020-02-21T23:30:13 #kisslinux <aarng> I had a look at the code, -x does that, yes
2020-02-21T23:30:30 #kisslinux <fehawen2> aarng: Thanks
2020-02-21T23:31:17 #kisslinux <fehawen2> I set my irc nick to protected or something, and nickserv identify timed out on me and I couldn't connect at all lol, so thought I'd pass it on startup
2020-02-21T23:31:54 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Do I pass "/msg nickserv identify password" as -x arg, or what?
2020-02-21T23:32:20 #kisslinux <aarng> yes
2020-02-21T23:32:23 #kisslinux <aarng> but /m instead of /msg
2020-02-21T23:32:53 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Ah yes, it only matches word letter right?
2020-02-21T23:32:59 #kisslinux <fehawen2> first letter*
2020-02-21T23:33:03 #kisslinux <fehawen2> not word lol
2020-02-21T23:33:15 #kisslinux <aarng> https://github.com/dylanaraps/birch/blob/master/birch#L176
2020-02-21T23:33:19 #kisslinux <aarng> here are all commands
2020-02-21T23:33:58 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Got it, cheers
2020-02-21T23:36:06 #kisslinux <aarng> actually, how this is programmed, even /msgffs! should work
2020-02-21T23:36:29 #kisslinux <fehawen2> That's what I meant
2020-02-21T23:36:43 #kisslinux <fehawen2> matching first letter
2020-02-21T23:36:52 #kisslinux <fehawen2> with some exceptions
2020-02-21T23:37:32 #kisslinux <fehawen2> me* to be specific
2020-02-21T23:37:39 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I wasn't sure how the entire string is split up
2020-02-21T23:38:21 #kisslinux <fehawen2> I added this in my PR:
2020-02-21T23:38:30 #kisslinux <fehawen2>  :*) ;; # Prevent accidental ":" prefixing of e.g. commands
2020-02-21T23:38:56 #kisslinux <fehawen2> As a result of my ":/msg nickserv..." lol
2020-02-21T23:39:13 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Colon damaged from vim usage heh
2020-02-21T23:39:36 #kisslinux <aarng> aah, coming from a habit
2020-02-21T23:39:46 #kisslinux <aarng> was wondering why colon specifically
2020-02-21T23:39:51 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Surprised dylan kept it though, I was meant to remove it but forgor
2020-02-21T23:39:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've tried to :q Firefox a few times
2020-02-21T23:40:23 #kisslinux <fehawen2>  :P
2020-02-21T23:40:44 #kisslinux <aarng> install surfing keys, then you can actually quit firefox like that
2020-02-21T23:40:48 #kisslinux <fehawen2> But now I have to type [space] : to start a line with ":" lol
2020-02-21T23:40:59 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Sounds neat
2020-02-21T23:41:13 #kisslinux <fehawen2> brb
2020-02-21T23:41:20 #kisslinux <fehawen2> wanna test "-x" heh
2020-02-21T23:42:12 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Nice, works
2020-02-21T23:42:25 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Why do I get ":Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable" ?
2020-02-21T23:42:44 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Get it every time now since my identify timeout
2020-02-21T23:43:34 #kisslinux <aarng> I'm kinda new to freenode, so no idea
2020-02-21T23:44:21 #kisslinux <aarng> just protection because of too many failed auth attempts?
2020-02-21T23:45:02 #kisslinux <fehawen2> But I didn't fail, just didn't identify within 30 secs
2020-02-21T23:46:01 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Happened the other day though and the unavailability cleared after a while, so should be ok
2020-02-21T23:49:08 #kisslinux <the_other_kiedtl> How's birch?
2020-02-21T23:49:23 #kisslinux <aarng> seems to be protection for netsplits, fehawen2
2020-02-21T23:49:43 #kisslinux <another_kiedtl> seems to be OK...
2020-02-21T23:50:04 #kisslinux <aarng> rudimentary :p
2020-02-21T23:50:12 #kisslinux <fehawen2> netsplits?
2020-02-21T23:50:16 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> rudimentary is an understatement :)
2020-02-21T23:50:19 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> but it works nicely
2020-02-21T23:50:24 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> and connects much faster
2020-02-21T23:51:25 #kisslinux <aarng> google "irc netsplit" or something, fehawen2
2020-02-21T23:52:00 #kisslinux <fehawen2> God, I'm so lazy
2020-02-21T23:52:06 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Yes of course, sorry :P
2020-02-21T23:52:20 #kisslinux <aarng> ;)
2020-02-21T23:52:32 #kisslinux <fehawen2> Ok, now I know what netsplits are lol
2020-02-21T23:55:40 #kisslinux <aarng> connects faster than what, other_kiedtl?
2020-02-21T23:55:58 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> weechat
2020-02-21T23:56:15 #kisslinux <aarng> ah
2020-02-21T23:56:26 #kisslinux <aarng> been a while since I used weechat
2020-02-21T23:56:26 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> at least in my experience
2020-02-21T23:56:34 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> and you can call me kiedtl ;)
2020-02-21T23:57:12 #kisslinux <aarng> aye, was just highlighting your client
2020-02-21T23:58:09 #kisslinux <aarng> but prolly no point because dylan hasn't implemented highlight on nick mentions, lol
2020-02-21T23:59:04 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> I'm using weechat right now