2020-05-11T07:26:41 #kisslinux <dylan02> I've fixed the firefox depends on firefox-bin issue.
2020-05-11T07:26:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> Will be in the next package manager release.
2020-05-11T07:28:07 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's turning out to be quite a nice release: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/compare/1.13.5...master
2020-05-11T07:30:17 #kisslinux <dylan02> I want to get in some logging improvements (post-install logs / queue), the ability to diable colors and an overall clean up of output.
2020-05-11T07:33:20 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'll be online again a little later. o/
2020-05-11T07:40:30 #kisslinux <donix> join #archlinux
2020-05-11T07:40:44 #kisslinux <donix> :q
2020-05-11T07:40:45 #kisslinux <donix> q
2020-05-11T07:43:57 #kisslinux <donix> j/quit
2020-05-11T07:44:05 #kisslinux <donix> j/quit
2020-05-11T09:54:00 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> hello , i have a error building a package, who have a `install -c -s -m 755 -o root -g root` inside the Makefile
2020-05-11T09:54:24 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> i understand it's because kiss build without root
2020-05-11T09:55:51 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> but what's the best way to build a package with that, i make a patch? or put the command inside the makefile directly without the root ownership, or it's there another kiss way workaround?
2020-05-11T10:01:40 #kisslinux <merakor> You should remove the -o root -g root part
2020-05-11T10:02:25 #kisslinux <merakor> And probably contact the software maintainer so he removes that part
2020-05-11T10:10:02 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> make a patch for the makefile? it's the best way?
2020-05-11T10:10:41 #kisslinux <onodera> or just sed
2020-05-11T10:10:47 #kisslinux <onodera> if it is one line
2020-05-11T10:11:10 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> thanks
2020-05-11T10:25:23 #kisslinux <claudia02> hello
2020-05-11T10:25:48 #kisslinux <claudia02> the update to latest binutils failed on my end. I had to rebuild xz and zlib
2020-05-11T10:47:44 #kisslinux <lieu> dylan0[1-9]: https://termbin.com/xxjt
2020-05-11T11:19:15 #kisslinux <dylan03> lieu: Fixed, thanks.
2020-05-11T11:19:23 #kisslinux <dylan03> claudia02: What was the error?
2020-05-11T11:19:28 #kisslinux <dylan03> I can't reproduce.
2020-05-11T11:27:55 #kisslinux <claudia02> I couldnt figure out right. I build manually and it errored out at make configure-host
2020-05-11T11:28:15 #kisslinux <claudia02> dylan03: It just stopped at configure
2020-05-11T11:28:21 #kisslinux <dylan03> Do you know what the error was?
2020-05-11T11:28:27 #kisslinux <dylan03> It should be in the logs directory
2020-05-11T11:28:39 #kisslinux <dylan03> ~/.cache/kiss/logs
2020-05-11T11:31:16 #kisslinux <claudia02> Oh thats a useful feature :D
2020-05-11T11:31:20 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://termbin.com/va21h
2020-05-11T11:32:11 #kisslinux <claudia02> sry, I reuild flex and zlib
2020-05-11T11:33:06 #kisslinux <claudia02> *rebuild
2020-05-11T11:35:27 #kisslinux <dylan03> They both build fine here
2020-05-11T11:39:26 #kisslinux <claudia02> Y, I just rebuild the dependencies of binutils(flex and zlib) in advance after binutils failed and error was gone.
2020-05-11T11:39:43 #kisslinux <claudia02> all good
2020-05-11T11:56:44 #kisslinux <dylan03> https://k1ss.org/news/20200511a
2020-05-11T11:59:47 #kisslinux <onodera> dylan03: im reading iwl has its own dhcpcd thing build in, are you using that
2020-05-11T12:08:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> onodera: it's an option you can use
2020-05-11T12:10:24 #kisslinux <dylan03> onodera: Yeah
2020-05-11T12:10:41 #kisslinux <dylan03> https://termbin.com/jflk
2020-05-11T12:16:38 #kisslinux <onodera> dylan03: I just remove dhcpcd from my service thing then?
2020-05-11T12:16:57 #kisslinux <onodera> do i need to do any more?
2020-05-11T12:20:30 #kisslinux <onodera> ah seems i need to create some config file
2020-05-11T12:22:46 #kisslinux <dylan03> Yeah
2020-05-11T12:22:49 #kisslinux <dylan03> My bad
2020-05-11T12:22:52 #kisslinux <dylan03> I should've told you
2020-05-11T12:22:58 #kisslinux <dylan03>  /etc/iwd/main.conf
2020-05-11T12:25:18 #kisslinux <onodera> got it working I think, thanks
2020-05-11T12:25:23 #kisslinux <onodera> this was so easy to setup
2020-05-11T12:25:35 #kisslinux <onodera> I put in my new wifi card, booted, and it just works
2020-05-11T12:25:44 #kisslinux <onodera> besides adding some modules to my kernel
2020-05-11T12:27:14 #kisslinux <onodera> the iwl_passpharse utility is very nice as well
2020-05-11T12:27:21 #kisslinux <onodera> they should add it to upstream imo
2020-05-11T12:48:34 #kisslinux <dylan03> Yeah, it's really nice.
2020-05-11T12:48:46 #kisslinux <dylan03> I'll rebase on upstream later tonight.
2020-05-11T13:03:39 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Hi, are there any specific kernel modules I options I need to set for use with KISS? Been trying to trim my kernel down on 5.6.12 but it won't boot
2020-05-11T13:04:02 #kisslinux <onodera> not any specific kernel options you wouldn't need on other systems I think
2020-05-11T13:04:23 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Ok
2020-05-11T13:04:39 #kisslinux <dingalorama> I don't know why it won't boot though :/
2020-05-11T13:04:51 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Don't think I changed anything that would cause it to fail to boot
2020-05-11T13:05:43 #kisslinux <dylan03> dingalorama: See https://k1ss.org/news/20200509a
2020-05-11T13:06:54 #kisslinux <dingalorama> dylan03 I don't think it's a crash, it just hangs on "Loading Linux 5.6.12"
2020-05-11T13:07:34 #kisslinux <dylan03> dingalorama: Did you compile it with GCC 10.1.0?
2020-05-11T13:07:39 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Yes
2020-05-11T13:07:46 #kisslinux <dylan03> You may need the patch.
2020-05-11T13:08:08 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Okay, just a simple patch -i <patch-name> ?
2020-05-11T13:08:12 #kisslinux <dylan03> Yeah
2020-05-11T13:08:18 #kisslinux <dylan03> Maybe -p1
2020-05-11T13:08:31 #kisslinux <kisslinuxuser> dylan03: you gonna do another release soon? https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/releases
2020-05-11T13:08:54 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Okay, currently rebuilding after I changed a couple options. If this new one doesn't work, I'll try the patch thanks dylan03
2020-05-11T13:09:01 #kisslinux <dylan03> No problem
2020-05-11T13:09:19 #kisslinux <dylan03> I'll update the chroot tomorrow morning.
2020-05-11T13:09:29 #kisslinux <kisslinuxuser> thanks!
2020-05-11T13:29:51 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Hey dylan03 applied the patch and now my kernel 5.6.12 boots :D  Thanks <3
2020-05-11T13:30:13 #kisslinux <dylan03> No problem
2020-05-11T14:32:17 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Also say I wanted to use LZ4 compression for my kernel, are there any prerequisites for KISS?
2020-05-11T14:37:19 #kisslinux <dylan03> Maybe the lzo package?
2020-05-11T14:38:38 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Okay I'll install it and see
2020-05-11T14:39:24 #kisslinux <dingalorama> I didn't see  any lz4 package was all
2020-05-11T14:39:45 #kisslinux <dingalorama> So didn't know if it either wasn't packaged yet or if it was through another package
2020-05-11T14:41:06 #kisslinux <dylan03> Ah
2020-05-11T14:41:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> I have lz4 in my own repo
2020-05-11T14:41:11 #kisslinux <dylan03> Looks like we need to package it.
2020-05-11T14:41:14 #kisslinux <dylan03> You're right.
2020-05-11T14:41:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> I use it for my kernel
2020-05-11T14:41:36 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Ah okay
2020-05-11T14:41:40 #kisslinux <dilynm> I can submit a PR for community
2020-05-11T14:41:45 #kisslinux <dingalorama> I'll just use gzip for now then
2020-05-11T14:42:19 #kisslinux <nerditup> hey all, just wanted to jump on and say the work dylan has done here is incredible - I spent yesterday reading over the source for the package manager/system
2020-05-11T14:42:28 #kisslinux <nerditup> dylan et. all
2020-05-11T14:42:54 #kisslinux <dylan03> Thanks!
2020-05-11T14:43:49 #kisslinux <nerditup> hard to articulate to people what I want out of a distro and here you went and built one lol
2020-05-11T14:44:03 #kisslinux <nerditup> looking forward to contributing
2020-05-11T14:44:30 #kisslinux <dylan03> I can't wait. I'm glad you're enjoying it. :)
2020-05-11T14:48:30 #kisslinux <dylan03> dilynm: Thanks
2020-05-11T14:48:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> Sharing is caring
2020-05-11T14:49:57 #kisslinux <dylan03> That it is
2020-05-11T15:16:05 #kisslinux <onodera> what is the best kernel compression and why
2020-05-11T15:16:08 #kisslinux <onodera> im using xz atm
2020-05-11T15:16:47 #kisslinux <dingalorama> I am trying out xz at the moment with my kernel thats building right now
2020-05-11T15:21:59 #kisslinux <dilynm> Best with respect to what?
2020-05-11T15:22:09 #kisslinux <dilynm> Size, speed?
2020-05-11T15:22:31 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Also, just got a checksum mismatch with the giblib package
2020-05-11T15:26:22 #kisslinux <dylan03> dingalorama: Contact the maintainer (kiss maintainer giblib)
2020-05-11T15:49:28 #kisslinux <paradigm> dylan03: Bedrock's logic to bootstrap kiss fails to preserve setuid on /bin/busybox-suid, and as a result things like `su` don't work.  It currently extracts the kiss-chroot tarball with Bedrock's busybox's tar.  I tried extracting the kiss-chroot tarball with kiss' tar, and that didn't seem to retain setuid, either.  I found things like pkg_extract() in the kiss command and didn't see any special
2020-05-11T15:49:34 #kisslinux <paradigm> handling for setuid there.  Busybox's tar documentation doesn't seem to mention special flags for permission handling.  I feel like you have to have a solution I'm missing for /bin/busybox-suid.  How are users expected to retain suid when extracting kiss-chroot and/or how does kiss' package manager handle this when extracting packages like the busybox package?
2020-05-11T15:50:16 #kisslinux <dylan03> paradigm: They're extracted as root.
2020-05-11T15:50:31 #kisslinux <mattx433> hello
2020-05-11T15:51:49 #kisslinux <dylan03> Hello
2020-05-11T15:52:16 #kisslinux <mattx433> hopefully KISS linux ports aren't offtopic here, but I got the KISS Linux aarch64 port running on a rock pi 4
2020-05-11T15:52:30 #kisslinux <dylan03> Nice
2020-05-11T15:52:41 #kisslinux <dylan03> Don't worry about on-topic/off-topic here. :)
2020-05-11T15:52:42 #kisslinux <paradigm> All my testing has been extracting as root.  If that's all you feel is required, it's probably something weird on my end.  I'll keep poking around.
2020-05-11T15:53:02 #kisslinux <mattx433> pretty fun bringing up the system manually without any init system in place
2020-05-11T15:53:22 #kisslinux <dylan03> paradigm: Yeah. That's all that should be required.
2020-05-11T15:54:34 #kisslinux <mattx433> weird, the login prompt always says "Login incorrect"
2020-05-11T15:55:28 #kisslinux <dylan03> mattx433: There's no default root password. Tried just pressing enter?
2020-05-11T15:57:25 #kisslinux <mattx433> No, the password prompt doesn't even show up. Just typing in the username root shows "Login incorrect"
2020-05-11T15:57:33 #kisslinux <dylan03> That's odd
2020-05-11T15:59:14 #kisslinux <mattx433> Ah, I forgot. /etc/securetty does not contain ttyS2
2020-05-11T16:00:27 #kisslinux <mattx433> Hooray, it boots! https://termbin.com/a61d
2020-05-11T16:02:46 #kisslinux <dylan03> Nice!
2020-05-11T16:03:14 #kisslinux <mattx433> Well, now time to actually start putting the system together
2020-05-11T16:03:31 #kisslinux <mattx433> as this is really just an extracted rootfs tarball
2020-05-11T16:08:33 #kisslinux <dylan03> > Yes, this is the backtrace I need, Thanks. Unfortunately it's missing debug symbols so I can't decrypt it. Can you please try to reproduce the issue with a binary from Mozilla?
2020-05-11T16:08:37 #kisslinux <dylan03> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635863
2020-05-11T16:08:42 #kisslinux <dylan03> :(
2020-05-11T16:09:56 #kisslinux <mrlear> Hi
2020-05-11T16:10:50 #kisslinux <mrlear> I want to manually bootstrap the system, if it is possible
2020-05-11T16:11:12 #kisslinux <mrlear> Without the tarball
2020-05-11T16:11:42 #kisslinux <dylan03> mrlear: Whast do you mean?
2020-05-11T16:11:46 #kisslinux <dylan03> What*
2020-05-11T16:11:55 #kisslinux <dylan03> You could do it manually, sure.
2020-05-11T16:12:01 #kisslinux <dylan03> It may be a little tricky though.
2020-05-11T16:12:06 #kisslinux <mattx433> dylan03: I understood that as "I want to use the package manager to make a bootstrap myself"
2020-05-11T16:12:37 #kisslinux <mrlear> mattx433: yeah
2020-05-11T16:13:42 #kisslinux <dylan03> You can do this via $KISS_ROOT on a musl based system.
2020-05-11T16:13:49 #kisslinux <mrlear> How did you first bootstrap the distro
2020-05-11T16:13:55 #kisslinux <mrlear> On alpine?
2020-05-11T16:13:59 #kisslinux <mattx433> Using a musl based distro.
2020-05-11T16:14:08 #kisslinux <dylan03> Any musl based distribution is fine.
2020-05-11T16:14:13 #kisslinux <mattx433> You can use Alpine, Void musl, etc.
2020-05-11T16:14:20 #kisslinux <mrlear> Thanks a lot
2020-05-11T16:14:30 #kisslinux <mrlear> Kiss is great!
2020-05-11T16:17:40 #kisslinux <paradigm> `wget -O- 'https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/releases/download/1.9.0/kiss-chroot.tar.xz' 2>/dev/null | unxz | tar -tvf - | grep kiss-chroot/usr/bin/busybox-suid` -> `-rwsr-xr-x`
2020-05-11T16:17:43 #kisslinux <paradigm> `wget -O- 'https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/releases/download/1.9.9/kiss-chroot.tar.xz' 2>/dev/null | unxz | tar -tvf - | grep kiss-chroot/usr/bin/busybox-suid` -> `-rwxr-xr-x`
2020-05-11T16:18:12 #kisslinux <perish> Hola!
2020-05-11T16:18:14 #kisslinux <paradigm> dylan03: I think as of 1.9.9 you stopped distributing kiss-chroot with setuid set on busybox-suid
2020-05-11T16:18:50 #kisslinux <perish> Anyone have any clue about xorg not having iceauth?
2020-05-11T16:19:29 #kisslinux <merakor> mrlear: You could do something similar to MLFS for creating a temporary toolchain as well
2020-05-11T16:20:34 #kisslinux <dylan03> kisslinuxuser: chroot updated. :)
2020-05-11T16:20:59 #kisslinux <perish> I'm building XFCE4 -session, and it complains about iceauth
2020-05-11T16:21:44 #kisslinux <dylan03> Package iceauth?
2020-05-11T16:22:07 #kisslinux <perish> Oh, it's a separate package? I assumed it was included as part of xorg-server
2020-05-11T16:22:20 #kisslinux <mattx433> If you're looking for how xorg-server is built, it should be in /var/db/repos/kiss/xorg/xorg-server/build
2020-05-11T16:22:47 #kisslinux <paradigm> thanks for the quick fix dylan03, I can confirm the situation has been resolved
2020-05-11T16:23:00 #kisslinux <perish> I know how to find packages, haha
2020-05-11T16:24:00 #kisslinux <himmalerin> dylan03: I knew about the binaries from mozilla not working due to the usage of musl (went through similar stuff when using Voidlinux's musl), but even with building firefox with --enable-debug and --enable-rust-debug gdb complains "No debugging symbols found in firefox"
2020-05-11T16:24:11 #kisslinux <ax> hey friends, no other guys reply this ? https://termbin.com/umzgb
2020-05-11T16:24:20 #kisslinux <ax> i'm trying every way
2020-05-11T16:24:51 #kisslinux <himmalerin> My changes to the firefox build file are the deletion of --disable-debug-symbols and --disable-crashreporter, and the addition of --enable-debug and --enable-rust-debug
2020-05-11T16:27:33 #kisslinux <dylan03> himmalerin: You need to add: :> nostrip
2020-05-11T16:27:40 #kisslinux <dylan03> To the top of the build file for Firefox.
2020-05-11T16:27:52 #kisslinux <dylan03> This prevents the package manager from stripping debug symbols.
2020-05-11T16:28:15 #kisslinux <dylan03> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/releases/tag/1.10.0
2020-05-11T16:28:20 #kisslinux <dylan03> paradigm: No problem. :)
2020-05-11T16:28:45 #kisslinux <dylan03> ax: I cannot reproduce this issue. What are your CFLAGS/LDFLAGS?
2020-05-11T16:29:09 #kisslinux <dylan03> Have you set RUSTFLAGS by any chance?
2020-05-11T16:29:11 #kisslinux <mattx433> Well, looks like KISS Linux works on my Rock Pi 4, even with HDMI
2020-05-11T16:29:17 #kisslinux <perish> Neat!
2020-05-11T16:29:31 #kisslinux <mattx433> Even though it's at 720x576 50hz and terribly oversized.
2020-05-11T16:29:46 #kisslinux <mattx433> Pretty normal for this board to *not* work :^)
2020-05-11T16:32:14 #kisslinux <dylan03> Nice
2020-05-11T16:36:41 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Damn my touchpad buttons stopped working (the touchpad itself works) after updating kernel to 5.6.12 and I don't see any differences in Input Devices options
2020-05-11T16:36:57 #kisslinux <perish> Ouch
2020-05-11T16:38:26 #kisslinux <mattx433> well, the overscan is so terrible I'll just use telnet
2020-05-11T16:41:00 #kisslinux <dingalorama> dylan03 Also kiss-maintainer giblib returns nothing D:
2020-05-11T16:42:33 #kisslinux <mattx433> oh and also had to write an ntpd service, as I didn't connect a coin cell battery
2020-05-11T16:46:03 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Okay got the trackpad buttons working again haha
2020-05-11T16:48:39 #kisslinux <dylan03> > ax <ax⊙se>
2020-05-11T16:48:48 #kisslinux <dylan03> That's the output for 'kiss-maintainer giblib' here.
2020-05-11T16:49:28 #kisslinux <dingalorama> oh
2020-05-11T16:49:49 #kisslinux <perish> icyphox, I've got xfwm4 and intltool building on https://github.com/periish/kiss-xfce4
2020-05-11T16:49:52 #kisslinux <dingalorama> I'm all updated, and internet's working fine for me
2020-05-11T16:50:15 #kisslinux <perish> AX shows up on my end, too
2020-05-11T16:50:28 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Haha damn idk what's wrong with mine then
2020-05-11T16:51:12 #kisslinux <dingalorama> kiss-maintainer works for other packages
2020-05-11T16:51:21 #kisslinux <dylan03> Do you have community enabled?
2020-05-11T16:51:28 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Yup
2020-05-11T16:51:36 #kisslinux <dylan03> 'kiss s giblib'?
2020-05-11T16:52:05 #kisslinux <dingalorama> `/var/db/kiss/repo/community/giblib`
2020-05-11T16:52:25 #kisslinux <icyphox> perish: Ay that's sick. Nice.
2020-05-11T16:52:30 #kisslinux <mattx433> well
2020-05-11T16:52:41 #kisslinux <mattx433> compiling xorg on the rock pi 4 now
2020-05-11T16:52:50 #kisslinux <perish> XFCE4 as a whole needs two perl modules
2020-05-11T16:52:51 #kisslinux <icyphox> I'm on OpenBSD now, though. Running cwm. Likely won't be Linuxing again.
2020-05-11T16:52:56 #kisslinux <perish> Aye, fair
2020-05-11T16:53:03 #kisslinux <perish> Just wanted to let you know
2020-05-11T16:53:07 #kisslinux <perish> Since you had troubles
2020-05-11T16:53:10 #kisslinux <icyphox> Cool. :)
2020-05-11T16:53:11 #kisslinux <himmalerin> mattx433: How did you get ntpd running? busybox's ntpd doesn't seem to do anything for me
2020-05-11T16:53:35 #kisslinux <perish> time to finally fufill the last xfce4 dependency
2020-05-11T16:53:39 #kisslinux <perish> a cup of tea or coffee
2020-05-11T16:53:50 #kisslinux <icyphox> Too bad they don't debloat the pkgs here. :/
2020-05-11T16:53:52 #kisslinux <mattx433> cup of tea
2020-05-11T16:53:58 #kisslinux <icyphox> Tea all the way.
2020-05-11T16:54:36 #kisslinux <mattx433> himmalerin: You can just type ntpd -p pool.ntp.org and it runs.
2020-05-11T16:55:31 #kisslinux <mattx433> However, you'll likely want it to run as a supervised service - mkdir /etc/sv/ntpd, vi /etc/sv/ntpd/run, chmod +x /etc/sv/ntpd/run, ln -s /etc/sv/ntpd /var/service
2020-05-11T16:55:46 #kisslinux <mattx433> the run script should just be:
2020-05-11T16:55:49 #kisslinux <mattx433> #!/bin/sh
2020-05-11T16:55:58 #kisslinux <mattx433> exec ntpd -n -p pool.ntp.org
2020-05-11T16:56:36 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Ohh ok, I was just trying to run `ntpd` and never saw it last very long in htop, I'll give that way a go, thanks!
2020-05-11T16:56:56 #kisslinux <dingalorama> dylan03 is someone working on an lz4 package? If not do you think thats a good project for someone to learn to package for kiss?
2020-05-11T16:57:10 #kisslinux <dingalorama> As I wanted to get into packaging so I can give back
2020-05-11T16:57:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> Mine just got merged in community
2020-05-11T16:57:25 #kisslinux <mattx433> Running ntpd by itself will do nothing unless you have an /etc/ntpd.conf
2020-05-11T16:57:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> You could try to package it yourself and compare to mine!
2020-05-11T16:57:45 #kisslinux <perish> It's really fun to package
2020-05-11T16:57:53 #kisslinux <mattx433> That run script would be just ntpd -n if you had an /etc/ntpd.conf, but well, it's simpler to just hardcode it as you're not packaging this.
2020-05-11T16:57:56 #kisslinux <perish> for instance, I just packaged the entirety of XFCE4 today
2020-05-11T16:58:03 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Okay! Mine will of course be worse ahaha
2020-05-11T17:00:26 #kisslinux <dylan03> perish: KISS has XFCE4 now?
2020-05-11T17:00:32 #kisslinux <perish> Aye
2020-05-11T17:00:35 #kisslinux <dylan03> Nice
2020-05-11T17:00:40 #kisslinux <perish> Wasn't that difficult
2020-05-11T17:00:42 #kisslinux <dylan03> Send a screenshot when you can :P
2020-05-11T17:00:45 #kisslinux <perish> Sure thing
2020-05-11T17:00:54 #kisslinux <perish> In a week or so
2020-05-11T17:01:07 #kisslinux <mattx433> Well, that's one DE and it's the one everyone only wants
2020-05-11T17:01:19 #kisslinux <perish> Dilyn is packaging KDE iirc
2020-05-11T17:01:25 #kisslinux <dilynm> :X
2020-05-11T17:01:30 #kisslinux <mattx433> KDE?
2020-05-11T17:01:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah
2020-05-11T17:01:49 #kisslinux <perish> I'll have to test out all my WMs and DEs on my old laptop
2020-05-11T17:01:51 #kisslinux <perish> Gonna be fun
2020-05-11T17:01:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> Perish you should ship a default pretty looking xfce
2020-05-11T17:01:58 #kisslinux <perish> It's as default as it gets
2020-05-11T17:02:05 #kisslinux <perish> There's no metapackage
2020-05-11T17:02:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> I mean default it to looking pretty
2020-05-11T17:02:33 #kisslinux <merakor> > no metapackage
2020-05-11T17:02:37 #kisslinux <dilynm> Xfce is so gross
2020-05-11T17:02:38 #kisslinux <merakor> nice
2020-05-11T17:02:52 #kisslinux <perish> Ah
2020-05-11T17:02:58 #kisslinux <mattx433> Is there a way to force installation even if there's a checksum mismatch?
2020-05-11T17:02:59 #kisslinux <perish> Yea, I'll decide on a theme
2020-05-11T17:03:03 #kisslinux <mattx433> I mean, building.
2020-05-11T17:03:10 #kisslinux <perish> KISS_FORCE=1 kiss b
2020-05-11T17:03:15 #kisslinux <perish> iirc
2020-05-11T17:03:23 #kisslinux <perish> we have env vars in place of flags, its neat
2020-05-11T17:03:55 #kisslinux <mattx433> Weird, sha256sum shows that checksums are indeed correct
2020-05-11T17:04:02 #kisslinux <perish> Strange
2020-05-11T17:05:12 #kisslinux <perish> What theme should I ship XFCE4 with? Adwaita and Phocus come to mind, but I'm not sure if there's any others
2020-05-11T17:05:42 #kisslinux <merakor> I personally love the looks of Pantheon as a DE, but in terms of code quality it is a junk
2020-05-11T17:06:27 #kisslinux <perish> Pantheon is GNOME based, isn't it?
2020-05-11T17:06:33 #kisslinux <perish> I'm terrified of GNOME packaging
2020-05-11T17:07:16 #kisslinux <merakor> IIRC it was inspired by Gnome, so it isn't exactly based
2020-05-11T17:07:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> Manjaro did xfce really well
2020-05-11T17:07:23 #kisslinux <merakor> It is even worse than gnome
2020-05-11T17:07:35 #kisslinux <perish> Aye, they did
2020-05-11T17:07:42 #kisslinux <perish> Shame they fucked up so much else
2020-05-11T17:07:57 #kisslinux <merakor> You can't cleanly build pantheon outside of Ubuntu or Elemantary OS
2020-05-11T17:07:59 #kisslinux <dilynm> XD
2020-05-11T17:08:02 #kisslinux <perish> Ouch
2020-05-11T17:08:07 #kisslinux <himmalerin> dylan03: Same result as before (No debugging symbols found in firefox), here's the build file I'm using https://termbin.com/2l43
2020-05-11T17:08:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah i tried to build it on arch and it was not working at ALL
2020-05-11T17:08:21 #kisslinux <mattx433> Meh, actual spaghetti packaging is Emscripten.
2020-05-11T17:08:32 #kisslinux <mattx433> Trust me, you'll go crazy trying to package that cleanly.
2020-05-11T17:08:38 #kisslinux <perish> oh?
2020-05-11T17:08:53 #kisslinux <perish> Oh
2020-05-11T17:08:57 #kisslinux <mattx433> so much so I barely see it in distro repositories because it's just such a pain
2020-05-11T17:08:57 #kisslinux <perish> Web technology
2020-05-11T17:08:58 #kisslinux <merakor> I did try manjaro a couple of years ago
2020-05-11T17:09:01 #kisslinux <perish> Understandable
2020-05-11T17:09:01 #kisslinux <merakor> Bah
2020-05-11T17:09:11 #kisslinux <mattx433> Well yes, it's literally LLVM to JS
2020-05-11T17:09:18 #kisslinux <perish> I hopped straight from Manjaro to KISS, then to OpenSUSE
2020-05-11T17:09:21 #kisslinux <mattx433> Or even the fancy new WebAssembly.
2020-05-11T17:09:41 #kisslinux <mattx433> Yesterday I hopped from Void to Arch. Void was just too annoying for me.
2020-05-11T17:09:54 #kisslinux <merakor> Manjaro breaks much more than Arch in my experience
2020-05-11T17:09:55 #kisslinux <perish> Why so?
2020-05-11T17:10:00 #kisslinux <mattx433> And I need to reinstall KISS again on my second drive as there's a screwed up Fedora Silverblue installation there.
2020-05-11T17:10:23 #kisslinux <perish> Interested to see where that goes, honestly
2020-05-11T17:10:33 #kisslinux <mattx433> perish: Poor software compatibility in general. However it ships with runit by default and that's just great.
2020-05-11T17:10:42 #kisslinux <perish> Ah
2020-05-11T17:11:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> Manjaro was frustrating to maintain. Every time I tried I was like 'why don't I just use arch'
2020-05-11T17:11:31 #kisslinux <merakor> Arch builds packages with every build option enabled
2020-05-11T17:11:53 #kisslinux <merakor> Void packages are more reasonable
2020-05-11T17:12:06 #kisslinux <merakor> But it may be limiting at times
2020-05-11T17:12:22 #kisslinux <merakor> When you actually do need a specific build option
2020-05-11T17:12:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah I used arch for two years and I got into ABS and was like this is actually awful
2020-05-11T17:12:37 #kisslinux <dilynm> So I decided to do lfs
2020-05-11T17:12:47 #kisslinux <perish> Aye, the ABS is a pain
2020-05-11T17:12:49 #kisslinux <mattx433> LFS is fun. Except for Xorg.
2020-05-11T17:12:55 #kisslinux <perish> It's shocking how many people hop to defend it
2020-05-11T17:12:59 #kisslinux <mattx433> The farthest I got with Xorg is a few xterms and twm.
2020-05-11T17:13:13 #kisslinux <mattx433> I really just didn't want to copy paste commands for another 2 hours.
2020-05-11T17:13:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> ABS just seems half-baked
2020-05-11T17:13:21 #kisslinux <mattx433> What's ABS tl;dr?
2020-05-11T17:13:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Arch, systemd, and vim is a big circlejerk
2020-05-11T17:13:25 #kisslinux <perish> I had people defending Guile as a runtime dep for make
2020-05-11T17:13:37 #kisslinux <merakor> Arch Build System
2020-05-11T17:13:44 #kisslinux <perish> I had someone defending emacs as a buildtime dep for gettext
2020-05-11T17:13:48 #kisslinux <merakor> It is how arch builds their packages
2020-05-11T17:13:51 #kisslinux <perish> Aye
2020-05-11T17:13:56 #kisslinux <dilynm> You basically clone packages from their git repo and write your own package builds
2020-05-11T17:14:04 #kisslinux <perish> Pretty sure it's hosted in SUSE's build servers
2020-05-11T17:14:22 #kisslinux <perish> SUSE builds packages for every major distro
2020-05-11T17:14:31 #kisslinux <perish> Even RHEL+relatives
2020-05-11T17:14:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> How nice of them
2020-05-11T17:14:58 #kisslinux <merakor> SUSE has the option for pacman but Arch uses their own servers
2020-05-11T17:15:11 #kisslinux <perish> Oh
2020-05-11T17:15:25 #kisslinux <perish> I was under the impression that OBS built Community and Extra for arch
2020-05-11T17:15:51 #kisslinux <mattx433> Well yes, Open Build Service builds packages for a lot of distros
2020-05-11T17:15:51 #kisslinux <merakor> I think that used to be true
2020-05-11T17:17:11 #kisslinux <mattx433> Still is, there are a few OBS repos building for most common distros
2020-05-11T17:17:17 #kisslinux <perish> Aye
2020-05-11T17:17:19 #kisslinux <mattx433> ones that aren't made by users
2020-05-11T17:17:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Anyway if you talk shit about arch, vim and systemd peopke get really pissed
2020-05-11T17:17:51 #kisslinux <perish> Aye
2020-05-11T17:18:14 #kisslinux <mattx433> I like emacs navigation but hate how emacs is just gigantic in size.
2020-05-11T17:18:15 #kisslinux <merakor> If you talk about multiple, basically death sentence
2020-05-11T17:18:24 #kisslinux <mattx433> Heh.
2020-05-11T17:18:25 #kisslinux <perish> I'm not a fan of emacs personally
2020-05-11T17:18:31 #kisslinux <perish> Doesn't fit my workflow
2020-05-11T17:18:48 #kisslinux <merakor> I use both emacs and vim
2020-05-11T17:19:03 #kisslinux <perish> I use nano
2020-05-11T17:19:10 #kisslinux <mattx433> Emacs is literally so large there's even an X11 window manager in Emacs.
2020-05-11T17:19:10 #kisslinux <merakor> I don't see the point of circlejerking over editors
2020-05-11T17:19:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> :x
2020-05-11T17:19:18 #kisslinux <merakor> Nano!?
2020-05-11T17:19:21 #kisslinux <merakor> jk
2020-05-11T17:19:23 #kisslinux <perish> Aye
2020-05-11T17:19:26 #kisslinux <perish> It's nice
2020-05-11T17:19:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> Use ed
2020-05-11T17:19:44 #kisslinux <perish> Fits my workflow, nice config, looks alright
2020-05-11T17:19:54 #kisslinux <mattx433> Ed makes the grass green, right?
2020-05-11T17:19:55 #kisslinux <merakor> I unironically tried using ed as my main once
2020-05-11T17:19:58 #kisslinux <perish> fast enough, has UTF+8 support
2020-05-11T17:20:06 #kisslinux <perish> utf-8?
2020-05-11T17:20:09 #kisslinux <mattx433> Sorry for that horrible joke.
2020-05-11T17:20:30 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah nano is one of the better things from GNU
2020-05-11T17:21:01 #kisslinux <merakor> I didn't understand the joke :(
2020-05-11T17:21:01 #kisslinux <dilynm> Nano was my first Linux editor
2020-05-11T17:21:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> I miss 2006
2020-05-11T17:21:07 #kisslinux <perish> As was mine
2020-05-11T17:21:12 #kisslinux <perish> Still stuck to it
2020-05-11T17:21:24 #kisslinux <mattx433> My first Linux editor was KWrite, I think? As my "first" distro was Slax
2020-05-11T17:21:30 #kisslinux <merakor> Mine was emacs :d
2020-05-11T17:21:34 #kisslinux <icyphox> Ooh. I think mine was Geany.
2020-05-11T17:21:40 #kisslinux <icyphox> And then I moved to Vim.
2020-05-11T17:21:50 #kisslinux <perish> Is slax still relevant?
2020-05-11T17:22:04 #kisslinux <mattx433> Yeah, no. Since Slax 9 they switched from Slackware to Debian.
2020-05-11T17:22:29 #kisslinux <mattx433> Also, is anyone going to package CUPS and Gutenprint?
2020-05-11T17:22:48 #kisslinux <mattx433> I could even use KISS as my main distro if that was a thing.
2020-05-11T17:22:50 #kisslinux <merakor> It isn't packaged yet?
2020-05-11T17:22:56 #kisslinux <perish> I thought there was a cups package in community
2020-05-11T17:23:00 #kisslinux <perish> The issue was open since 2019
2020-05-11T17:23:06 #kisslinux <merakor> Same
2020-05-11T17:23:20 #kisslinux <perish> https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/794
2020-05-11T17:23:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's been slowly getting pecked at
2020-05-11T17:23:24 #kisslinux <perish> Yea, its there
2020-05-11T17:23:28 #kisslinux <perish> Just won't build it seems
2020-05-11T17:23:43 #kisslinux <mattx433> "slowly being pecked at"
2020-05-11T17:23:52 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I'm planning on trying to package cups, gutenprint, and avahi for my printer if no one else does
2020-05-11T17:23:58 #kisslinux <mattx433> Heh, yesterday one of my GitHub PRs was merged
2020-05-11T17:24:05 #kisslinux <mattx433> It was from September 19 of last year.
2020-05-11T17:24:21 #kisslinux <mattx433> Not to any KISS-related stuff before you ask what that was.
2020-05-11T17:24:48 #kisslinux <merakor> I had a similar thing
2020-05-11T17:24:59 #kisslinux <merakor> The maintainer was long gone
2020-05-11T17:25:11 #kisslinux <merakor> Since july
2020-05-11T17:25:28 #kisslinux <mattx433> About systemd, I only like the ease of setting cgroups
2020-05-11T17:25:30 #kisslinux <merakor> I was thinking of removing the fork and PR
2020-05-11T17:25:47 #kisslinux <mattx433> Just edit the user slice, or the service and give it MemoryHigh or anything really
2020-05-11T17:26:06 #kisslinux <merakor> I have never used cgroups
2020-05-11T17:26:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> What do you use cgroups for?
2020-05-11T17:26:32 #kisslinux <mattx433> Preventing pesky game servers from chewing too much RAM
2020-05-11T17:26:43 #kisslinux <dilynm> A use case I have never had
2020-05-11T17:26:54 #kisslinux <mattx433> And which I barely have.
2020-05-11T17:27:30 #kisslinux <mattx433> Oh and suckless.org lists a whole range of bad things about systemd https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/
2020-05-11T17:27:56 #kisslinux <merakor> It hasn't been updated for a long time though
2020-05-11T17:28:09 #kisslinux <merakor> Homed is the next systemd thing
2020-05-11T17:28:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> Their list is feature complete
2020-05-11T17:28:53 #kisslinux <mattx433> Homed?
2020-05-11T17:28:58 #kisslinux <merakor> PID 1 now manages your home directories
2020-05-11T17:29:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Heh
2020-05-11T17:29:13 #kisslinux <merakor> Systemd home daemon
2020-05-11T17:29:26 #kisslinux <mattx433> What's next, systemd-sysadminactionawarenessd which chews way too much RAM?
2020-05-11T17:29:37 #kisslinux <merakor> Sytemd-packaged
2020-05-11T17:29:42 #kisslinux <merakor> Write it down
2020-05-11T17:29:47 #kisslinux <merakor> It will happen
2020-05-11T17:29:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> systemd-sudod
2020-05-11T17:30:04 #kisslinux <merakor> Something similar exists though
2020-05-11T17:30:12 #kisslinux <mattx433> I already hate journald for its slowness, high RAM consumption and of course, its weird binary format
2020-05-11T17:30:39 #kisslinux <mattx433> busybox syslogd + klogd is enough
2020-05-11T17:30:56 #kisslinux <himmalerin> systemd absorbs polkit and pam
2020-05-11T17:30:59 #kisslinux <mattx433> or socklog if you need more than just one dump of stuff
2020-05-11T17:31:11 #kisslinux <mattx433> Of course, I always wanted Kerberos 5 to invade my init system.
2020-05-11T17:31:12 #kisslinux <merakor> I still don't understand binary logs
2020-05-11T17:31:35 #kisslinux <perish> systemd does have a means of escalating privileges iirc
2020-05-11T17:32:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Yes the whole point of systemd is slapping PID 1 priviliges to do dumbest crap possible
2020-05-11T17:32:45 #kisslinux <mattx433> Its issue graph just shows what kind of ugly source code you're getting into
2020-05-11T17:33:08 #kisslinux <mattx433> https://in.waw.pl/systemd-github-state/systemd-systemd-issues.svg
2020-05-11T17:33:08 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah and they pride themselves with that graph
2020-05-11T17:33:19 #kisslinux <mattx433> Just look at that beautiful graph of issues going straight up
2020-05-11T17:34:04 #kisslinux <mattx433> Oh and I also heard systemd can prevent even root from legitimately stopping auditd, so a hacker will never be able to cover up their tracks.
2020-05-11T17:34:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> At least it's problems are constant and not accelerating
2020-05-11T17:34:13 #kisslinux <merakor> No one likes a straight graph
2020-05-11T17:34:54 #kisslinux <mattx433> Also, on the KISS Linux community page - is shinit even able to sweep up zombie processes?
2020-05-11T17:35:58 #kisslinux <mattx433> Oh look. homed has another *ctl - homectl
2020-05-11T17:37:22 #kisslinux <merakor> Shell does it's own sweep, I think
2020-05-11T17:37:31 #kisslinux <mattx433> Anyway, I did a quick patch in the kiss package manager to get around the weirdly broken checksums
2020-05-11T17:37:53 #kisslinux <merakor> I have never seen a zombie process since I have started using shinit
2020-05-11T17:39:43 #kisslinux <mattx433> I'm also kind of unsure why KISS Linux doesn't have a package for TinyX servers
2020-05-11T17:40:14 #kisslinux <mattx433> TinyX doesn't require anything special (talking about Xfbdev here) - it just uses whatever is in /dev
2020-05-11T17:41:16 #kisslinux <mattx433> Hmm. I just noticed that kiss crashed while building glib.
2020-05-11T17:41:26 #kisslinux <mattx433> Seems like whoever is the maintainer forgot to add libelf to dependencies
2020-05-11T17:41:34 #kisslinux <himmalerin> speaking of X related stuff, what was that custom build of X that OpenBSD uses called?
2020-05-11T17:41:50 #kisslinux <mattx433> Doesn't OpenBSD use regular Xorg?
2020-05-11T17:44:06 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Aha, it's Xenocara https://www.xenocara.org/ I'm pretty sure it's just Xorg but with different build options but I never looked into it that much
2020-05-11T17:47:32 #kisslinux <mattx433> 7/36 packages built on the rock pi 4 with KISS
2020-05-11T17:47:48 #kisslinux <mattx433> I hope it won't take long.
2020-05-11T17:52:15 #kisslinux <jedavies> mattx433: you running KISS on aarch64?
2020-05-11T17:52:57 #kisslinux <mattx433> jedavies: Yes
2020-05-11T17:53:15 #kisslinux <mattx433> https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-aarch64
2020-05-11T17:53:21 #kisslinux <mattx433> Wait. That's you.
2020-05-11T17:53:40 #kisslinux <jedavies> Cool, didn't realise anyone else was using it!
2020-05-11T17:53:41 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lmao
2020-05-11T17:53:42 #kisslinux * mattx433 facepalms
2020-05-11T17:54:03 #kisslinux <mattx433> jedavies: Well yes, the Rock Pi 4 is actually pretty similiar in specs to a Pinebook Pro
2020-05-11T17:54:13 #kisslinux <neeasade> noice
2020-05-11T17:54:15 #kisslinux <mattx433> I did have to compile a different kernel and U-Boot
2020-05-11T17:54:30 #kisslinux <neeasade> I'm on the PBP train, shipping out in a week or so
2020-05-11T17:55:22 #kisslinux <jedavies> Nice.  Yeah, thinking about how to do different device support nicely.  Maybe package overrides as required for each device, you then add to your KISS_PATH?
2020-05-11T17:56:10 #kisslinux <jedavies> Have spent most of the lockdown period replicating konimex's clang/llvm work on arm though.
2020-05-11T17:56:34 #kisslinux <mattx433> anyway, the rock pi 4 is currently compiling X11
2020-05-11T17:56:36 #kisslinux <neeasade> noice
2020-05-11T17:56:56 #kisslinux <mattx433> I set it to -j4 as the last 2 cores of the rk3399 are slightly less powerful
2020-05-11T18:15:10 #kisslinux <mattx433> 20/36 packages, finally cmake finished
2020-05-11T18:15:23 #kisslinux <mattx433> however now I must wait for llvm
2020-05-11T18:18:37 #kisslinux <dilynm> That's gonna take forever
2020-05-11T18:25:31 #kisslinux <mattx433> 15%
2020-05-11T18:59:18 #kisslinux <dilynm> perish: is there any reason you organize your KISS repos like how community is, or just for continuity?
2020-05-11T19:10:34 #kisslinux <kisslinuxuser> dylan03:
2020-05-11T19:12:25 #kisslinux <kisslinuxuser> trying to build firefox-bin but getting these errors all the time
2020-05-11T19:12:26 #kisslinux <kisslinuxuser> https://pastebin.com/raw/tCL6Ut3E
2020-05-11T19:14:24 #kisslinux <mattx433> build is at 50%
2020-05-11T19:14:46 #kisslinux <mattx433> so far so good
2020-05-11T19:19:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> anybody played with io_uring yet?
2020-05-11T19:28:13 #kisslinux <ax> dylan03: export CFLAGS="-march=native -pipe -O3"
2020-05-11T19:28:31 #kisslinux <ax> MAKEFLAGS="-j2"
2020-05-11T19:28:47 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Oh hey ax just to say, giblib has a checksum mismatch
2020-05-11T19:28:55 #kisslinux <ax> dingalorama: yes, i'm ...  what is the problem ?
2020-05-11T19:29:22 #kisslinux <ax> -> giblib Found cached source 'giblib-1.2.4.tar.gz'
2020-05-11T19:29:23 #kisslinux <ax> 176611c4d88d742ea4013991ad54c2f9d2feefbc97a28434c0f48922ebaa8bac  giblib-1.2.4.tar.gz
2020-05-11T19:29:28 #kisslinux <ax> ?
2020-05-11T19:29:58 #kisslinux <dingalorama> As in I run `kiss b giblib` and this results in `ERROR Checksum mismatch with: giblib`
2020-05-11T19:30:25 #kisslinux <ax> source is in cache directory
2020-05-11T19:30:34 #kisslinux <ax> clear it and rebuild
2020-05-11T19:30:40 #kisslinux <dingalorama> https://termbin.com/5z2r
2020-05-11T19:30:44 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Ah okay
2020-05-11T19:30:56 #kisslinux <ax> i think problem with back source
2020-05-11T19:31:47 #kisslinux <dingalorama> As in just `rm -rf ~/.cache/kiss/sources/*` ?
2020-05-11T19:32:23 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Or just for giblib?
2020-05-11T19:33:43 #kisslinux <ax> as you prefer
2020-05-11T19:34:02 #kisslinux <ax> that's just a cache directory
2020-05-11T19:36:46 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Cleared the cache, still getting the checksum mismatch?
2020-05-11T19:37:36 #kisslinux <onodera> maybe upstream changed the source slightly
2020-05-11T19:37:44 #kisslinux <onodera> you could run kiss c, but that is possibly unsafe
2020-05-11T19:38:07 #kisslinux <onodera> eh for me it doesn't give the checksum error
2020-05-11T19:38:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't get a checksum error either
2020-05-11T19:41:18 #kisslinux <ax> dingalorama: I have checked this package ... several times. the checksum is correct. you have problem with old source. clear cache and search if it is in /var/db/kiss/
2020-05-11T19:41:52 #kisslinux <ax> clear old package and rebuild. you will have no checksum problems
2020-05-11T19:44:37 #kisslinux <onodera> dingalorama: remove /root/.cache/kiss/sources
2020-05-11T19:44:46 #kisslinux <onodera> and ~/.cache/kiss/sources
2020-05-11T19:44:52 #kisslinux <onodera> then run kiss b again
2020-05-11T19:48:47 #kisslinux <dingalorama> didn't remove the /root/.cache/kiss/sources, but instead removed the community repo then cloned it again now its fine. Thanks onodera and ax
2020-05-11T19:55:32 #kisslinux <ax> no problem man ;)
2020-05-11T20:09:31 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Damn
2020-05-11T20:09:49 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Anyone had a problem where once you install lightline to vim, you can't actually backspace?
2020-05-11T20:10:36 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Or at least, you can backspace until the beginning of the line, then any further backspaces don't do anything
2020-05-11T20:21:23 #kisslinux <perish> dilymn, i organise them because it's less of a pita that way
2020-05-11T20:21:31 #kisslinux <perish> oh, wrong way
2020-05-11T20:21:37 #kisslinux <perish> yea i prefer the doubled nested
2020-05-11T20:22:10 #kisslinux <perish> so that should i ever need to append to the root dir i wont have packages like `screenshots` showing up
2020-05-11T20:22:31 #kisslinux <perish> dilynm
2020-05-11T20:27:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @dingalorama does the backspace work correctly with lightline disabled/uninstalled?
2020-05-11T20:28:19 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Yeah, then all of a sudden it stopped after making a vimrc just to set relative numbers on also :L
2020-05-11T20:28:30 #kisslinux <dingalorama> So I don't know if its the vimrc somehow maybe?
2020-05-11T20:30:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> weird, i had a suggestion if it had never worked
2020-05-11T20:30:50 #kisslinux <dingalorama> What would that suggestion be though?
2020-05-11T20:30:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://vim.fandom.com/wiki/Backspace_and_delete_problems
2020-05-11T20:31:31 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Okat ominous_anonymou i'll try that
2020-05-11T20:31:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> I've had to use `set backspace=indent,eol,start` more than once for example, but it's always been present on install on VIM rather than as a result of a plugin install
2020-05-11T20:31:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> *install of vim
2020-05-11T20:31:54 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Ah okay
2020-05-11T20:32:04 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Not sure why it's happening though
2020-05-11T20:32:14 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Wasn't happening before I added anything to my vim
2020-05-11T20:33:45 #kisslinux <dingalorama> Oh and I tried to install neovim to see if it was just vim, but neovim failed to install
2020-05-11T20:34:55 #kisslinux <dingalorama> ominous_anonymou Thanks that fixed the issue :)
2020-05-11T20:37:10 #kisslinux <dingalorama> However del key also has the same sorta issue :(
2020-05-11T20:38:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you can also try `set nocompatible`
2020-05-11T20:38:37 #kisslinux <perish> We use runit for services with busybox, right?
2020-05-11T20:42:59 #kisslinux <dingalorama> ominous_anonymou `set nocompatible` and `set backspace=indent,eol,start` together works
2020-05-11T20:43:13 #kisslinux <dingalorama> but if I only use one, they don't work haha
2020-05-11T20:48:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> glad to hear it works
2020-05-11T20:50:09 #kisslinux <dingalorama> I'm so confused though, as I've never had this happen before ;(
2020-05-11T20:50:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @perish yes, busybox init
2020-05-11T20:51:05 #kisslinux <perish> Nice
2020-05-11T20:51:15 #kisslinux <perish> Dbus now has a service
2020-05-11T20:51:16 #kisslinux <perish> Woo
2020-05-11T20:52:13 #kisslinux <mattx433> jedavies: I found an issue in the aarch64 port - the mesa package doesn't have patches/panfrost.patch in sources
2020-05-11T21:00:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @dingalorama yeah it's the one big gripe i have with vim, and why i've removed all plugins from my use.  too many little quirks that I got tired of trying to figure out
2020-05-11T21:10:07 #kisslinux <himmalerin> when copying folders for packages should I use -R or -a?
2020-05-11T21:11:27 #kisslinux <onodera> I use install
2020-05-11T21:12:15 #kisslinux <perish> You should use install
2020-05-11T21:12:16 #kisslinux <perish> not cp
2020-05-11T21:14:04 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I thought it was concluded you should avoid install -t for portability reasons?
2020-05-11T21:14:17 #kisslinux <himmalerin> So I was using mkdir -p and cp
2020-05-11T21:14:54 #kisslinux <himmalerin> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/8d7d0a39f6c335ff9d25b9d486a59fd91d35f00e
2020-05-11T21:15:56 #kisslinux <perish> Huh
2020-05-11T21:16:13 #kisslinux <perish> I guess
2020-05-11T21:16:47 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I don't think Dylan ever commented on it, maybe I'll ask again when he's back online
2020-05-11T21:25:31 #kisslinux <dilynm> https://k1ss.org/style
2020-05-11T21:25:42 #kisslinux <dilynm> Ctrl+f [0211]
2020-05-11T21:25:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's encouraged, is my best guess
2020-05-11T21:26:13 #kisslinux <perish> Huh, what's wrong with pipewire?
2020-05-11T21:26:19 #kisslinux <perish> Now I have to package that too
2020-05-11T21:26:22 #kisslinux <perish> Gods, dylan
2020-05-11T21:26:23 #kisslinux <jedavies> mattx433: panfrost.patch is in sources:  https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-aarch64/blob/master/repo/mesa/sources
2020-05-11T21:26:32 #kisslinux <jedavies> Is your KISS_PATH correct?
2020-05-11T21:30:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @perish https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200423#c3711573 flatpak stuff
2020-05-11T21:31:32 #kisslinux <perish> Ah
2020-05-11T21:33:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well, and firefox.  audio in general -- pipewire to replace other stuff
2020-05-11T21:52:05 #kisslinux <perish> Oh GNOME, why must you make us suffer
2020-05-11T21:59:14 #kisslinux <onodera> is this pipewire any good?
2020-05-11T21:59:25 #kisslinux <onodera> i have a feeling it will depend on systemd & co
2020-05-11T22:00:26 #kisslinux <onodera> im already seeing a dbus dep
2020-05-11T22:03:34 #kisslinux <_abi> new vagrant box/pre installed qemu image based on 1.10.0 and latest stable kernel available at: https://app.vagrantup.com/abi/boxes/kiss/versions/1.10.0-1 and: https://github.com/abbbi/kiss-bootstrap/releases/tag/1.10.0-1
2020-05-11T22:04:16 #kisslinux <perish> neat
2020-05-11T22:33:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylan03: imo kiss' help text would be better if '[pkg] [pkg] [pkg]' was replaced with '[pkg]...' which is a pretty common way to indicate that there can be more than one of that argument passed