2020-08-20T00:04:23 #kisslinux Anyone on 2020-08-20T00:17:45 #kisslinux sort of 2020-08-20T00:25:04 #kisslinux I'm stuck between using firefox-esr-bin because its faster and using firefox-esr because I should have to suffer for that much complexity 2020-08-20T00:28:02 #kisslinux Faster as in update time? I'd be surprised if the precompiled version ran any faster 2020-08-20T00:28:32 #kisslinux faster as in install/compile time, should have specified 2020-08-20T00:28:44 #kisslinux I don't think either version adds much complexity, if anything compiling it yourself is more complex 2020-08-20T00:28:45 #kisslinux ah yeah 2020-08-20T00:29:41 #kisslinux probably, installing the bin package just feels like outsourcing the complexity rather than eliminating it 2020-08-20T00:31:02 #kisslinux I guess I'll go with firefox-esr-bin for now 2020-08-20T00:32:17 #kisslinux That's true, it is sort of outsourcing it. I have a fast enough processor compiling firefox doesn't make that much of an impact so I never spent much time thinking about it lmao 2020-08-20T00:34:27 #kisslinux Yeah, my i7 gaming laptop is starting to fall apart so I bought a thinkpad x200 off ebay for the 'freedom' which suits my needs but can't compile as fast 2020-08-20T00:34:55 #kisslinux should have gotten one of those custom motherboards for it 2020-08-20T04:22:19 #kisslinux o/ 2020-08-20T04:24:34 #kisslinux so i did `kiss update` and noticed that glib was updated. does that mean i need to reinstall everything that depends on it? 2020-08-20T04:25:14 #kisslinux kiss b $(kiss revdep glib | cut -d'/' -f1 | tr 'n' ' ') # something like this? 2020-08-20T04:33:07 #kisslinux I didn't and so far everything is fine, don't think I've rebooted since though 2020-08-20T04:37:29 #kisslinux i wish tiny compiled on stable rust 2020-08-20T04:42:55 #kisslinux same 2020-08-20T10:25:16 #kisslinux Does anyone here use a webkit2gtk based browser? 2020-08-20T10:36:32 #kisslinux muevoid: I use them ever now and then. 2020-08-20T10:37:19 #kisslinux Do you have any problems with some sites saying Unacceptable TLS? 2020-08-20T10:38:31 #kisslinux Not yet. Do you have an example domain? 2020-08-20T10:38:42 #kisslinux Let me find one quickly 2020-08-20T10:42:04 #kisslinux Not the same error but draculatheme.com also has issues 2020-08-20T10:42:06 #kisslinux same with gitlab 2020-08-20T10:42:18 #kisslinux But im trying to find the site that showed the unacceptable tls 2020-08-20T10:43:52 #kisslinux I cant display gitlab right aswell. But that has always been the case. 2020-08-20T10:44:30 #kisslinux Alright another issue I have is reddit.com not being able to click show full conversation while on a post. 2020-08-20T10:44:47 #kisslinux I may just consider using firefox at this point 2020-08-20T10:44:47 #kisslinux Draculathme works with javascript off (: 2020-08-20T10:44:58 #kisslinux Really? 2020-08-20T10:45:03 #kisslinux What browser are you using? 2020-08-20T10:45:47 #kisslinux The git version of surf. But gitlab e.g doestn also work in vimb or lariza. 2020-08-20T10:46:13 #kisslinux Yeah I am using vimb right now 2020-08-20T10:46:41 #kisslinux Reddit works without issues while I am logged in. 2020-08-20T10:46:55 #kisslinux Ill try logging in I usually browse while not logged in 2020-08-20T10:47:13 #kisslinux I think when I am not logged in it also does not work. 2020-08-20T10:47:24 #kisslinux Thats the pita with webkit.. 2020-08-20T10:47:53 #kisslinux Yeah I really want to use firefox but I hate using binaries and rust takes so long to compile 2020-08-20T10:48:08 #kisslinux Just dont visit thoes websites :D 2020-08-20T10:48:14 #kisslinux True lol 2020-08-20T10:48:36 #kisslinux The only reason I came across the issue is I was trying to find dependencies for pivita(a video editor to package it) 2020-08-20T10:48:54 #kisslinux But I also have a fullfeatured browser handy for when its important :( 2020-08-20T10:49:09 #kisslinux Do you use -bin or compiled it? 2020-08-20T10:49:24 #kisslinux Atm, just the bin. 2020-08-20T10:49:27 #kisslinux Yeah 2020-08-20T10:50:07 #kisslinux What do you think about rust? 2020-08-20T10:50:58 #kisslinux Normaly I was using qutebrowser and was quite happy with it, until qt5-webengine decided to crashing while displaying video content. I could not figure out the issue. Thats why I hopped browser and toolkit again. 2020-08-20T10:51:28 #kisslinux How was compile times for qutebrowser and friends? 2020-08-20T10:51:40 #kisslinux If I would have a more powerful machine, I would not mind. But everything takes ages to build. 2020-08-20T10:52:02 #kisslinux On my 3rd gen i3 It takes about 5-7h? 2020-08-20T10:52:20 #kisslinux i5 2020-08-20T10:52:22 #kisslinux * 2020-08-20T10:52:52 #kisslinux Is it a dual core or quad core? 2020-08-20T10:53:01 #kisslinux Dual 2020-08-20T10:53:21 #kisslinux Browsers suck :P 2020-08-20T10:57:58 #kisslinux browsers are the bane of suckless, all those tui/cli yt client��� 2020-08-20T10:58:11 #kisslinux Yeah I use tuitube :P 2020-08-20T10:58:28 #kisslinux Just use lynx /s 2020-08-20T10:58:53 #kisslinux i'm a tab hoarder too, which is *my* problem but damn it makes��� 2020-08-20T10:59:24 #kisslinux Yeah I have trouble with tabbed keybinds however I could probably change them 2020-08-20T11:00:04 #kisslinux tabbed prob would shit itself with my tab count, one thing i l��� 2020-08-20T11:07:11 #kisslinux The extensive tabs usage, is something you have to activly change. Since I use surf again for some time, I start closing my ff tabs :D 2020-08-20T11:07:40 #kisslinux I need to switch away from vimb to surf 2020-08-20T11:08:02 #kisslinux Is there a way to set a default homepage in surf probs not without a patch I assume 2020-08-20T11:13:44 #kisslinux yeah the exstensive tab usage is entirely a self driven issue,��� 2020-08-20T11:18:02 #kisslinux I am not sure why but I really dislike rust for some reason. 2020-08-20T11:19:05 #kisslinux rust seems to be the big new dev environment 2020-08-20T11:19:49 #kisslinux or dev language rather 2020-08-20T11:20:41 #kisslinux Yeah that's why I'm not sure why I dislike it so much 2020-08-20T11:21:14 #kisslinux I know its a great language for high performance applications that need memory safety 2020-08-20T11:21:28 #kisslinux I think its mainly due to the compile times 2020-08-20T11:21:44 #kisslinux could be a case of "ugh its the next Big Thing", no idea about��� 2020-08-20T11:21:54 #kisslinux ah 2020-08-20T11:22:21 #kisslinux yeah the compile times do seem pre large 2020-08-20T11:22:35 #kisslinux My relatively good computer takes around 1 to 2 hours to compile the compiler where as gcc takes just around 15 mins 2020-08-20T11:23:23 #kisslinux Also rust binaries seem to be larger since they are almost always usually statically compiled. 2020-08-20T11:25:01 #kisslinux is there any benefits in speed with static compilation for the��� 2020-08-20T11:25:59 #kisslinux brow.sh is how i like it. just a working proof of concept though imo 2020-08-20T11:28:09 #kisslinux Oh yeah i've seen brow.sh it is great 2020-08-20T11:28:25 #kisslinux where can i find that? 2020-08-20T11:29:36 #kisslinux oh wait, i know what ya talking about 2020-08-20T11:29:59 #kisslinux And also in regards to static compilation for binaries. Speed wise it depends. Most of the time probably not that large of a difference but when using a library like gtk or qt when its shared it doesn't have to be loaded every time. Also with static binaries it can lead to security issues with outdated libraries. 2020-08-20T12:19:17 #kisslinux Fixed the /etc issue. Apologies. 2020-08-20T12:19:20 #kisslinux Released kiss 5.0.1. 2020-08-20T12:20:10 #kisslinux Also... please open bug reports! (thanks Konimex). 2020-08-20T12:27:13 #kisslinux dylanaraps: What do you think about an irc motd about: how to report bugs faq? 2020-08-20T12:27:30 #kisslinux Sure 2020-08-20T12:28:45 #kisslinux I can try to write something. But thats probably just a template. 2020-08-20T12:37:35 #kisslinux hi 2020-08-20T12:38:10 #kisslinux I am on kiss 5.0.1 but busybox build aborts without error after `-> busybox Generating etcsums` 2020-08-20T12:48:19 #kisslinux I can't reproduce. Let me look into this. 2020-08-20T12:49:12 #kisslinux Using busybox find? 2020-08-20T12:49:21 #kisslinux Can anyone else reproduce? 2020-08-20T13:10:29 #kisslinux hello!hello! 2020-08-20T13:10:45 #kisslinux as in building busybox? 2020-08-20T13:10:54 #kisslinux also hey! 2020-08-20T13:14:18 #kisslinux Would anyone happen to know any way of getting imlib2 to load xpm and xbm images? 2020-08-20T13:14:42 #kisslinux I've found a treasure trove of tiled wallpapers and my image viewer refuses to open a single one of them :< 2020-08-20T13:15:03 #kisslinux perish: oh man. i went through that a few months ago while one Gentoo. one sec.. 2020-08-20T13:15:53 #kisslinux Thanks! 2020-08-20T13:18:50 #kisslinux re: aosync: can't reproduce in busybox find 2020-08-20T13:18:53 #kisslinux http://0x0.st/igPl.png 2020-08-20T13:24:28 #kisslinux yeah i wasn't able to reproduce either 2020-08-20T13:26:19 #kisslinux guess i'll stay forever at busybox v1.32.0 2020-08-20T13:29:50 #kisslinux perish: sadly, i could not find my Gentoo notes >.<. will keep looking tho and share if i find anything.. 2020-08-20T13:36:07 #kisslinux Ouch 2020-08-20T13:36:19 #kisslinux I tried using the --enable-x option for imlib2 2020-08-20T13:36:22 #kisslinux But no luck 2020-08-20T13:36:31 #kisslinux I suppose I'll have to build some older X11 apps 2020-08-20T13:36:35 #kisslinux xv here we go? 2020-08-20T13:44:07 #kisslinux date 2020-08-20T13:44:10 #kisslinux ... 2020-08-20T13:44:20 #kisslinux 15:44 2020-08-20T14:07:31 #kisslinux epic dylan saw it 2020-08-20T14:07:39 #kisslinux thanks for the help dudes 2020-08-20T14:11:02 #kisslinux wow diskonaut works so well https://github.com/imsnif/diskonaut 2020-08-20T14:13:45 #kisslinux Diskonaut is neat. It's a cooler daisydisk 2020-08-20T14:13:57 #kisslinux Makes me feel like I have egg on my face for buying a license (: 2020-08-20T14:15:17 #kisslinux daisydisk has been around for a while 2020-08-20T14:17:15 #kisslinux Many many years 2020-08-20T14:17:22 #kisslinux It's got a pretty visualizer 2020-08-20T14:17:47 #kisslinux There's a program like diskonaut from I've a decade ago on windows that does an identical thing... It was so ugly xD 2020-08-20T14:17:58 #kisslinux and its prettier than diskinventoryx 2020-08-20T14:22:02 #kisslinux dylanaraps: i can reproduce ! 2020-08-20T14:22:26 #kisslinux log termbin.com/mvcj (not full) 2020-08-20T14:35:05 #kisslinux termbin.com/itjl 2020-08-20T14:40:06 #kisslinux regression - https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/commit/fecf4995f8b580714a2517d9dab6521876c27bd2#diff-4188679c1d8a284ccc41a6b601869e05R517 2020-08-20T14:44:19 #kisslinux patch - termbin.com/3etn 2020-08-20T14:53:18 #kisslinux issue - https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/issues/176 2020-08-20T15:13:40 #kisslinux Thanks! 2020-08-20T15:16:52 #kisslinux Pushed 5.0.2 to repositories. 2020-08-20T15:16:56 #kisslinux Thanks everyone. 2020-08-20T15:34:56 #kisslinux thx bb 2020-08-20T16:24:57 #kisslinux himmalerin: ended up using dispatch, a web based irc client written in go, for now... 2020-08-20T16:25:11 #kisslinux in good news, sway and firefox seem to be working nicely 2020-08-20T16:25:17 #kisslinux (though ff is using Xwayland, whatevs) 2020-08-20T18:32:23 #kisslinux dylanaraps: would you consider enabling internationalization support for nodejs? reasoning is that nodejs is used to build software, and although it makes (some) sense that k1ss will be an english-only distribution, it seems not in great spirit to make it difficult to *create* software that supports different languages 2020-08-20T18:33:38 #kisslinux I am testing out a fork of extra/nodejs that removes `--without-internationalization` to see how it fares 2020-08-20T19:40:45 #kisslinux anyone have a nice system or sway-wide ssh-agent setup? 2020-08-20T19:53:29 #kisslinux himmalerin: i packaged tiny for kiss - they have a static (musl) build 2020-08-20T20:07:45 #kisslinux Hello KissLinux Community!... I'm trying to start the installation ok the system in one of my machines using the Archlinux ISO, however, I'm getting constant errors such as 'no space left on device'. This is the only error that prevents me to install the system successfully, since I tried it with another system and, at the part of downloading and compiling Linux, I ran out of space, making all the work meaningless 2020-08-20T20:08:00 #kisslinux Maybe I'm doing something wrong?, or do I need to read about something? 2020-08-20T20:18:17 #kisslinux what does 'df -h' show? 2020-08-20T20:18:28 #kisslinux There's available space 2020-08-20T20:19:38 #kisslinux micr0_: Thanks for looking into my problem 2020-08-20T20:20:22 #kisslinux minall one thing i did for my kiss installation, is that i just installed it to a directory in my home, and did kiss u and kiss b and kiss i until i had all the stuff i wanted 2020-08-20T20:20:39 #kisslinux then when i wanted to put it on a partition, i just formatted a partition and used rsync to copy from the directory to the partition, then rebooted 2020-08-20T20:22:19 #kisslinux micro0_: That IS cool... Wait, I'm making the dd again of archlinux so I can install KISS 2020-08-20T20:33:45 #kisslinux Did anyone package Samba for KISS? 2020-08-20T20:35:57 #kisslinux jedavies according to kiss-find, oiraff has a samba package in github.com/ioraff/kiss-personal 2020-08-20T20:40:42 #kisslinux Thanks micr0_, will check it out. 2020-08-20T20:42:56 #kisslinux When untar'ing kiss linux chroot file, I get an error "Cannot write: No space left on device", where in another installation attempt in a bigger system than archlinux, it didn't outputed that error... Also, df -h shows several systems that have space available, 1.9G available 2020-08-20T20:47:21 #kisslinux can you paste the entire output of `df -h` and `pwd`? 2020-08-20T20:47:42 #kisslinux df -h | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io 2020-08-20T20:47:51 #kisslinux that should give you a url we can look at 2020-08-20T20:48:03 #kisslinux its also possible you are on a read-only directory 2020-08-20T20:48:34 #kisslinux so like if you are on a liveusb of arch, it may either a) mount itself read-only, or b) do some loopback mount where there are exactly 0 bytes available 2020-08-20T20:48:49 #kisslinux in that case you would need to mount your disk partition somewhere and untar there 2020-08-20T20:49:43 #kisslinux micr0: Thanks for looking at my problem!, the url is http://ix.io/2uKy... And I think is more about being it read-only 2020-08-20T20:51:18 #kisslinux minall: in case it helps, i documented my entire install process a few months back. definitely check it against the install guide tho: https://github.com/mcpcpc/install 2020-08-20T20:51:50 #kisslinux Thanks mcpcpc[m]!, I'm checking that out 2020-08-20T20:52:40 #kisslinux ok minall so yeah, the only writeable mounted folder is /tmp 2020-08-20T20:52:45 #kisslinux which is just in-memory 2020-08-20T20:53:37 #kisslinux micr0: Oh... What are my options then lol... Let me check the wiki 2020-08-20T20:55:52 #kisslinux so what you need to do, is find out what drive you want to install to 2020-08-20T20:56:18 #kisslinux you could install to another usb drive, or your hard drive in the computer, but you will want to partition it first if you want to keep your old files 2020-08-20T20:56:27 #kisslinux if this is a new pc, you can format the whole disk though 2020-08-20T20:57:37 #kisslinux don’t think there is anything really covering partitioning/mounting in the K1SS wiki (yet). but the gentoo handbook is decent for that: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks 2020-08-20T20:58:09 #kisslinux minall: but as micr0_ indicated, this is entirely user preference. 2020-08-20T21:03:47 #kisslinux Welp, Guess I'll wipe out the disk... It's a new laptop so, no problem, I'll keep you updated 2020-08-20T21:31:11 #kisslinux if you're on efi, you need a ~200mb efi (fat32) partition mounted to /mnt/boot and whatever size ext4 mounted to /mnt 2020-08-20T21:31:29 #kisslinux just ask if you need any help 2020-08-20T21:54:22 #kisslinux dan[m]: Thanks!... I have a 200MB partition EFI and a home which I'm using now to install everything (everything is working)... But I also have a swap partition... Is there any way of using it?, not that I need it but, I mean to say that it is the swap of the system 2020-08-20T21:55:22 #kisslinux how much ram do you have? i have 8gb in my kiss laptop and i dont use swap. i wouldnt worry too much since you can always make a swap file on the root partition 2020-08-20T21:55:32 #kisslinux > <@freenode_minall:matrix.org> dan: Thanks!... I have a 200MB partition EFI and a home which I'm using now to install everything (everything is working)... But I also have a swap partition... Is there any way of using it?, not that I need it but, I mean to say that it is the swap of the system 2020-08-20T21:55:32 #kisslinux * how much ram do you have? i have 8gb in my kiss laptop and i dont use swap. i wouldnt worry too much since you can always make a swap file on the root partition at a later date 2020-08-20T21:57:49 #kisslinux I have 4GB of RAM, I would do it just to be sure... I have a 16GB RAM pc and I still make some RAM 2020-08-20T21:58:02 #kisslinux Ok I'm at the best part, compiling Linux 2020-08-20T22:00:47 #kisslinux did you config the kernel? it saves a ton of compile time 2020-08-20T22:07:51 #kisslinux dan[m]: On it... Actually it is my first time compiling the kernel, so I don't understand some of the 'make config' options there are... Even with their descriptions... Is there a page about this?, I'm also writing all my commands and ideas 2020-08-20T22:08:40 #kisslinux Also, its good if Kiss Linux makes me feel dumb?... The error earlier was because I was trying to install KissLinux into the /mnt directory, but haven't mounted any partition there, quite stupid lol... But I've learned, thanks Kiss LInus 2020-08-20T22:09:25 #kisslinux my laptop is a dell latitude 5480, so if you have anything similar ill be able to help a lot. i just used the help pages for each command and disabled anything i was 100% certain i didnt need, since its easier to remove stuff later than find out whats required. you can also look at your laptops page on the gentoo wiki if it has one, as well as info for wifi cards and the like. 2020-08-20T22:10:35 #kisslinux :) i had previously installed gentoo and arch and kiss made me feel clueless, but once you get it installed you know *exactly* what is on your system, makes you feel in control and able to resolve problems and customize to a huge degree. hands down the best os ive ever used, enjoyable and functional. 2020-08-20T22:11:23 #kisslinux Makes sense and, I'll search my laptop in the gentoo wiki. 2020-08-20T22:11:45 #kisslinux Yes, I think that's the beauty on Kiss Linux, I also am an Archlinux User but, I wish to learn everything about it 2020-08-20T22:11:54 #kisslinux Everything my linux system I mean 2020-08-20T22:12:11 #kisslinux ive been on kiss for about 6 months on my laptop, but still use artix (arch) on my desktop due to the software support 2020-08-20T22:12:32 #kisslinux yep, you can only learn by going out of your comfort zone 2020-08-20T22:12:55 #kisslinux dan[m]: Thanks for the help!... I'm right now 'make config'ing my kernel 2020-08-20T22:13:19 #kisslinux in general, the only problems with the kernel are: wifi cards, i2c bus' on modern laptops, gpu drivers, mouse / trackpad drivers, audio drivers. 2020-08-20T22:13:33 #kisslinux cool, i can send over my .config if you want 2020-08-20T22:15:13 #kisslinux its the most minimal i could make it 2020-08-20T22:16:25 #kisslinux dan[m]: It's ok, I'm reading every ? I can on the make config... And the laptop I'm installing it now, My secondary laptop, isn't complicated, I think it doesn't use firmware more than intel-ucode, which is optional, even the wifi works so... I won't have much trouble 2020-08-20T22:16:45 #kisslinux The think is if I decide to install it in my main laptop, in that time I would really need to be sure everything works, and firmware needed 2020-08-20T22:16:59 #kisslinux sounds good, thats exactly what i did to config mine 2020-08-20T22:18:13 #kisslinux I'm at the compression type with several options, there's a brief explanation but, there's no comparation between them, what should I do?... I'm investigating each of them 2020-08-20T22:19:05 #kisslinux leave it default it can cause problems 2020-08-20T22:19:18 #kisslinux at the end of the day, all that option can do is save a couple mbs on the efi part 2020-08-20T22:20:08 #kisslinux dan[m]: True... Default it is then, the important thing is to learn along the way 2020-08-20T22:20:21 #kisslinux yep :)