2020-09-21T00:30:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> mcpcpc[m] just so you know kirc segfaults if you don't have an internet connection.
2020-09-21T00:30:49 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> muevoid: nice.  well i’ll take a look at that. lol
2020-09-21T00:30:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol
2020-09-21T00:31:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> I was confused thought I did something wrong xD
2020-09-21T00:31:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Just didn't realize I hadn't connected to wifi :P
2020-09-21T00:33:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> merakor bearssl is the default on carbslinux right?
2020-09-21T00:34:50 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> muevoid: haha. well. added to the ever growing “todo” list. https://github.com/mcpcpc/kirc/issues/12
2020-09-21T00:35:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> No problem lmao just thought i'd let you know.
2020-09-21T00:35:55 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> thanks. will get on it as soon as i get a chance.  still. very far behind trying to figure out how to resolve the text clobber issue.  sigh.
2020-09-21T00:36:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> that’s the biggest annoyance atm
2020-09-21T00:36:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's written in c correct?
2020-09-21T00:46:34 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> yup.
2020-09-21T00:47:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> mcpcpc[m] I tried to use socat for tlsssl but socat kept saying connection refused. Any ideas?
2020-09-21T00:50:46 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i have not actually tried it myself.  was tested by another user.  1 sec
2020-09-21T00:51:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk no worries
2020-09-21T00:55:18 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> muevoid: just tested it.  seems to be working. one sec.
2020-09-21T00:56:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> try this.. `socat tcp-listen:6697 openssl-connect:irc.freenode.net:6697`
2020-09-21T00:56:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk
2020-09-21T00:56:50 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> and `kirc -s 127.0.0.1 -p 6697 -n <nick>`
2020-09-21T00:57:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yep that works thank you!
2020-09-21T00:57:29 #kisslinux <muetest> q
2020-09-21T00:57:30 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> np!
2020-09-21T01:00:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> There we go
2020-09-21T01:23:01 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> muevoid: fixed the README instructions as well.
2020-09-21T01:38:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk thank you! Sorry it took me a few to respond working on wayherb :P
2020-09-21T01:40:20 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> no worries ;)
2020-09-21T06:22:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hey dylanaraps!
2020-09-21T06:27:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-09-21T06:43:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm continuing work on a xorg-less system
2020-09-21T06:57:24 #kisslinux <aosync> How's wayland so far?
2020-09-21T06:59:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Performance is better than Xorg
2020-09-21T06:59:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Software needed is far lower
2020-09-21T06:59:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> GTK dialog menus appear really quick
2020-09-21T07:00:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No issues other than a focus bug with Firefox sometimes (need try the beta though)
2020-09-21T07:02:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Having an issue with my wayland-only setup and libxkbcommon. It requires xkeyboard-config which depends on libX11/xorgproto ?
2020-09-21T07:05:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK. It can be built without Xorg libs but this doesn't result in working input
2020-09-21T07:13:27 #kisslinux <mcf> xkeyboard-config is only necessary for the keymaps so that libxkbcommon can translate keycodes to keysyms. i don't see why xorgproto would be related
2020-09-21T07:22:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, I can compile it without the Xorg stuff. It still causes my terminal to segfault on open.
2020-09-21T07:23:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > xkbcommon: ERROR: couldn't find a Compose file for locale "C.UTF-8"
2020-09-21T07:23:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Then it segfaults
2020-09-21T07:23:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (terminal is 'foot' for reference)
2020-09-21T07:23:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Anyway, I'll fix it
2020-09-21T07:23:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-09-21T09:05:06 #kisslinux <aosync> claudia02: I have updated the package, you can retry if you will
2020-09-21T09:20:19 #kisslinux <aosync> Anyone else interested in trying chromium musl?
2020-09-21T10:46:19 #kisslinux <periish> illiti: A friend of mine is using tinyramfs in their distribution
2020-09-21T11:24:45 #kisslinux <periish> Hello dylan!
2020-09-21T11:24:52 #kisslinux <periish> How's wayland going for you?
2020-09-21T11:25:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mcf: Issue was the missello
2020-09-21T11:25:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> oops
2020-09-21T11:25:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks birch
2020-09-21T11:25:22 #kisslinux <periish> Yea
2020-09-21T11:25:27 #kisslinux <periish> It does that sometimes
2020-09-21T11:25:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mcf: Issue was the missing /usr/share/X11/locale directory which is provided by libX11...
2020-09-21T11:26:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, foot (and wayst) will segfault unless this directory exists
2020-09-21T11:26:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which ends up making the Wayland environment depend on libX11 for keyboard input...
2020-09-21T11:26:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can do a package split for these but this seems wrong.
2020-09-21T11:28:49 #kisslinux <merakor> By the way, I have tried bluez with libdbus-stub
2020-09-21T11:28:56 #kisslinux <periish> Does it work?
2020-09-21T11:29:11 #kisslinux <merakor> It builds, but doesn't work without dbus active
2020-09-21T11:29:13 #kisslinux <merakor> So no
2020-09-21T11:29:15 #kisslinux <periish> Ah
2020-09-21T11:29:16 #kisslinux <periish> Sad
2020-09-21T11:30:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-09-21T11:31:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's more useful for software which isn't "based around dbus"
2020-09-21T11:31:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, chromium-bin and kitty
2020-09-21T11:31:23 #kisslinux <periish> I suppose ebluez should be next on my agenda :p
2020-09-21T11:31:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> bluez has used dbus since the dawn of time
2020-09-21T11:31:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> may be tricky to remove
2020-09-21T11:31:42 #kisslinux <periish> Aye
2020-09-21T11:31:57 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, I just hoped that it may have worked
2020-09-21T11:32:33 #kisslinux <merakor> An ebluez would be great
2020-09-21T11:32:50 #kisslinux <periish> Got a lot on my plate until I can reach that point, though
2020-09-21T11:34:32 #kisslinux <claudia02> aosync: latest build: http://ix.io/2yhx
2020-09-21T11:36:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We have a slight chance of pure wayland + private x11 libs for firefox
2020-09-21T11:36:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's as close as we can get short of large patches to firefox's sources
2020-09-21T11:36:57 #kisslinux <claudia02> dylanaraps: Isnt wayst a bad choice for an xorg-less build, since it relies on opengl (mesa with x11 support)?
2020-09-21T11:37:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-09-21T11:37:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I gave it GL to see if it had the same issue as foot
2020-09-21T11:37:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, xkbcommon error
2020-09-21T11:37:33 #kisslinux <claudia02> ah
2020-09-21T11:37:49 #kisslinux <claudia02> I had no such issue with alacritty
2020-09-21T11:38:37 #kisslinux <periish> We've almost reached llvm in the 1st pass o/
2020-09-21T11:39:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> claudia02: Issue was due to missing /usr/share/X11/locale which is provided by libX11
2020-09-21T11:40:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> How good is webkit2gtk nowadays (wayland support, website support, adblocking situation, etc)?
2020-09-21T11:41:22 #kisslinux <claudia02> Try it out, if it fits your needs.
2020-09-21T11:41:36 #kisslinux <claudia02> Its mostly good, I think
2020-09-21T11:41:56 #kisslinux <claudia02> But it definetly needs more cpu with JS. So louder computer
2020-09-21T11:42:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Gotcha
2020-09-21T11:42:23 #kisslinux <periish> dylanaraps: does libvpx not provide customisable install directories for say, library and header location
2020-09-21T11:42:38 #kisslinux <claudia02> Videoplayback (gstreamer) sometimes buggy but works.Again no comparison to ff
2020-09-21T11:42:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> periish: It uses Cmake yeah?
2020-09-21T11:43:07 #kisslinux <periish> No, a handrolled configure
2020-09-21T11:43:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-09-21T11:43:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hang on
2020-09-21T11:43:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Give me 10-15 minutes
2020-09-21T11:43:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can't open any new terminals right now
2020-09-21T11:43:46 #kisslinux <periish> Fair
2020-09-21T11:44:40 #kisslinux <periish> I may be able to get away without having to change the build system
2020-09-21T11:44:49 #kisslinux <periish> Seems it only installs libraries
2020-09-21T11:46:18 #kisslinux <claudia02> dylanaraps: I know that problem :D
2020-09-21T11:49:34 #kisslinux <periish> Yup
2020-09-21T11:49:37 #kisslinux <periish> I got away with it
2020-09-21T11:49:46 #kisslinux <periish> Just had to move a single dir
2020-09-21T11:50:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> dylanaraps: I had that libX11 problem. I just stole the locale files and bundled them with xkeyboard-config for now
2020-09-21T11:55:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Laptop died
2020-09-21T11:55:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-09-21T11:56:27 #kisslinux <periish> Ouch
2020-09-21T11:56:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> yeah
2020-09-21T11:57:32 #kisslinux <periish> 221/2219 on mesa :^)
2020-09-21T11:57:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Remaining X11 stuff is: libX11 for /usr/share/X11/locale, libepoxy/cairo/gtk+3 with X11 support enabled (for Firefox)
2020-09-21T11:57:46 #kisslinux <periish> Birch works fine under such stress
2020-09-21T11:57:49 #kisslinux <periish> Firefox not
2020-09-21T11:57:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The latter pulling in various X11 libs
2020-09-21T11:58:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> birch is too good for what it is
2020-09-21T11:59:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> With better resize handling and some fixes to the prompt it'd be perfect I reckon
2020-09-21T11:59:06 #kisslinux <periish> Yes
2020-09-21T11:59:14 #kisslinux <periish> And if it exited more gracefully
2020-09-21T11:59:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> How so?
2020-09-21T11:59:33 #kisslinux <periish> If it errors during execution, it'll lock the terminal up
2020-09-21T11:59:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-09-21T11:59:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Gotcha
2020-09-21T11:59:54 #kisslinux <periish> You won't be able to see new lines of your prompt, for instance
2020-09-21T12:00:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-09-21T12:00:09 #kisslinux <periish> It'll all be printed on the same line
2020-09-21T12:00:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> shfm is my best tui yet
2020-09-21T12:00:22 #kisslinux <periish> And re-entering birch makes text that's inputted invisible
2020-09-21T12:00:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Figured out more nitty gritty stuff
2020-09-21T12:00:30 #kisslinux <periish> Nice
2020-09-21T12:00:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will port this over to birch
2020-09-21T12:00:36 #kisslinux <periish> irc.sh when?
2020-09-21T12:00:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I had ssl working via bare openssl commands
2020-09-21T12:00:50 #kisslinux <periish> Woah
2020-09-21T12:00:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I was working on one ;)
2020-09-21T12:01:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Wasn't in the head-space for another shell TUI though
2020-09-21T12:01:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Parts of it make your head hurt
2020-09-21T12:01:40 #kisslinux <periish> Mesa builds and is compliant!
2020-09-21T12:01:48 #kisslinux <periish> That's a relief
2020-09-21T12:02:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mesa has never really caused issues
2020-09-21T12:02:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's quite good in this regard
2020-09-21T12:02:37 #kisslinux <c4lcul4t3> Yo
2020-09-21T12:02:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello
2020-09-21T12:02:43 #kisslinux <periish> Now for meson
2020-09-21T12:02:51 #kisslinux <periish> Which requires I write a new macro
2020-09-21T12:03:00 #kisslinux <periish> Lovely?
2020-09-21T12:03:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You're wrapping build systems?
2020-09-21T12:03:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Like Arch does with arch-meson, etc?
2020-09-21T12:03:37 #kisslinux <periish> I'm wrapping build systems, yea
2020-09-21T12:03:42 #kisslinux <periish> Otherwise the flags become unmanageable
2020-09-21T12:03:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Makes sense
2020-09-21T12:04:15 #kisslinux <periish> Much nice to type kiss-macros configure rather than ./configure --prefix=/pkg/$3 --bindir=/pkg/$3/exec --mandir=/pkg/$3/man
2020-09-21T12:04:18 #kisslinux <periish> etc etc
2020-09-21T12:04:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-09-21T12:06:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You could pass $1 via an environment variable and instead make the configure flags the positional arguments for the build script. You'd then just do: ./configure "$@" and the package manager will pass whatever it likes. Can do this for --prefix and friends but also open it up to users.
2020-09-21T12:07:13 #kisslinux <periish> I don't really like that solution, personally
2020-09-21T12:07:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just an idea
2020-09-21T12:07:27 #kisslinux <periish> Aye, thank you
2020-09-21T12:07:50 #kisslinux <periish> $2 is also important, however - those packages with the weird tarballs
2020-09-21T12:08:02 #kisslinux <periish> Or weird urls
2020-09-21T12:08:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> $2 is just package version
2020-09-21T12:08:27 #kisslinux <periish> Yea
2020-09-21T12:08:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Can also be passed via environment variable
2020-09-21T12:08:37 #kisslinux <periish> Aye
2020-09-21T12:08:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Reason for using $@ for configure flags is so you don't need to split a string
2020-09-21T12:09:02 #kisslinux <periish> Oh?
2020-09-21T12:09:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Input is already split for you
2020-09-21T12:09:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, if you made $3 the configure flags you'd have to split this
2020-09-21T12:09:37 #kisslinux <periish> Ah
2020-09-21T12:11:19 #kisslinux <periish> Meson doesn't respect the flags in it's own build system
2020-09-21T12:11:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> kiss l | wc -l
2020-09-21T12:11:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 89
2020-09-21T12:11:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-09-21T12:26:50 #kisslinux <periish> We're onto nasm
2020-09-21T12:26:50 #kisslinux <periish> Woo
2020-09-21T12:39:21 #kisslinux <periish> Why does openssh create /var
2020-09-21T12:39:22 #kisslinux <periish> :v
2020-09-21T12:39:54 #kisslinux <periish> and /var/empty
2020-09-21T12:53:44 #kisslinux <konimex> https://github.com/serpent-linux/ yet another Linux distro project, by the former Solus project head, might be interesting to look at in the future
2020-09-21T12:53:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, saw this a while ago
2020-09-21T12:54:06 #kisslinux <periish> Yup
2020-09-21T12:54:10 #kisslinux <periish> Very interesting project
2020-09-21T12:54:14 #kisslinux <periish> It's very unique
2020-09-21T12:54:18 #kisslinux <periish> Never seen anything like it
2020-09-21T12:54:36 #kisslinux <periish> also, > yet another Linux distro
2020-09-21T12:54:44 #kisslinux <periish> Don't think you're able to talk :>
2020-09-21T12:54:54 #kisslinux <konimex> hey, I'm not saying it's a negative thing
2020-09-21T12:55:00 #kisslinux <periish> Most do, haha
2020-09-21T12:55:16 #kisslinux <periish> Hello fulton!
2020-09-21T12:55:25 #kisslinux <periish> I'm still curious about Pine Linux
2020-09-21T12:56:55 #kisslinux <konimex> anyway, I'm not sure what would be their approach for wayland-only, especially "X11 compatibility via containers will be investigated", will they use docker or something like flatpak?
2020-09-21T12:59:53 #kisslinux <yrwq> hello
2020-09-21T13:02:23 #kisslinux <yrwq> can someone help me?
2020-09-21T13:10:27 #kisslinux <konimex> yrwq: don't ask to ask, just state any questions
2020-09-21T13:10:48 #kisslinux <yrwq> when i run startx it gives me an error
2020-09-21T13:10:53 #kisslinux <yrwq> it says no screens found
2020-09-21T13:11:28 #kisslinux <yrwq> neved had this before and sorry if not kiss linux related
2020-09-21T13:11:53 #kisslinux <konimex> well if you got the problem while using KISS it's definitely KISS-related, anyway what's your graphic card (if any)?
2020-09-21T13:12:38 #kisslinux <yrwq> its an old ati radeon
2020-09-21T13:13:54 #kisslinux <yrwq> im on a fresh install, only builded xorg-server, xinit and xf86-video-ati
2020-09-21T13:32:05 #kisslinux <aosync> dylanaraps: have you tried the chromium package?
2020-09-21T13:32:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have not
2020-09-21T13:50:05 #kisslinux <aosync> ok
2020-09-21T14:47:01 #kisslinux <claudia02> aosync: Have you seen my reply to the latest build today?
2020-09-21T14:56:46 #kisslinux <periish> no reply again regarding Pine Linux :<
2020-09-21T14:58:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> wdym?
2020-09-21T15:07:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilynm: I see you had to do the same thing I did with the Compose files
2020-09-21T15:07:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-09-21T15:07:45 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah! I just stole your fix. It's more elegant than carrying around the literal files
2020-09-21T15:08:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> I was considering making an issue on the codeberg page about it, considering it's unlisted
2020-09-21T15:08:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I had the same issue with wayst
2020-09-21T15:08:49 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah thinking about it again it explains my segfaults!
2020-09-21T15:08:59 #kisslinux <dilynm> This error was way more helpful than a segfault tho haha
2020-09-21T15:09:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I also found patches to the configure.ac file on OpenEmbedded from May of last year
2020-09-21T15:09:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I find this issue very odd
2020-09-21T15:10:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Anyway. I'm back to work on removing the gtk2 dependency from Firefox.
2020-09-21T15:12:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilynm: How is hikari by the way?
2020-09-21T15:14:16 #kisslinux <periish> https://0x0.st/ilLD.png
2020-09-21T15:14:17 #kisslinux <periish> Pain
2020-09-21T15:14:20 #kisslinux <periish> Thanks python
2020-09-21T15:15:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-09-21T15:15:34 #kisslinux <periish> https://0x0.st/ilLk.png
2020-09-21T15:15:35 #kisslinux <periish> This one too
2020-09-21T15:16:31 #kisslinux <periish> This feels like it's to do w/ the ensure pip patch
2020-09-21T15:16:38 #kisslinux <periish> but the ensure pip patch has nothing in it
2020-09-21T15:16:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://u.teknik.io/BQdqP.png
2020-09-21T15:16:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hikari is very nice! It's a really simple compositor. It has some interesting features, I still have to spend time reading about how to use them
2020-09-21T15:17:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I may give it a go
2020-09-21T15:17:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> Eg grouping windows, locking windows, etc
2020-09-21T15:17:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm using sway right now but want something I can use floating
2020-09-21T15:17:20 #kisslinux <periish> Well, time to just `mv` stuff
2020-09-21T15:17:22 #kisslinux <periish> Love that
2020-09-21T15:17:41 #kisslinux <dilynm> The best fix is a good ol' move periish:
2020-09-21T15:18:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> dylanaraps: yeah I just didn't want to bother with tiling. I'm too particular about my windows and it's just simpler to manage them myself
2020-09-21T15:18:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-09-21T15:18:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> It requires bmake, but otherwise it's simple
2020-09-21T15:18:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll fix that ;)
2020-09-21T15:18:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lmao
2020-09-21T15:30:04 #kisslinux <periish> mv: can't rename '/home/eris/bulk/cache/kiss/pkg-8165/python/pkg/python/include/python3.8': File exists
2020-09-21T15:30:05 #kisslinux <periish> aaa
2020-09-21T15:33:09 #kisslinux <claudia02> Not on sway right now, but you can do something like 'for_window [workspace="9"] floating enable' to always start floating windows
2020-09-21T15:34:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-09-21T15:38:17 #kisslinux <claudia02> dilynm: have were able to set a wallpaper in hikari? I could figure that out^^
2020-09-21T15:39:42 #kisslinux <periish> Python builds!
2020-09-21T15:40:04 #kisslinux <periish> Lovely
2020-09-21T15:42:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> claudia02: you can set a wallpaper in the config ('background = bla.png'; has to be a png)
2020-09-21T15:42:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> Or you can use gbm, though that makes them very dark for some reason
2020-09-21T15:43:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wbg*
2020-09-21T15:44:39 #kisslinux <periish> mcf: is there any reason the BINDIR variable isn't used by samurai?
2020-09-21T16:09:21 #kisslinux <periish> Wow, this tzdata package is hard to unravel
2020-09-21T16:11:02 #kisslinux <periish> ia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/Montserrat
2020-09-21T16:11:02 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/St_Barthelemy
2020-09-21T16:11:02 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/St_Kitts
2020-09-21T16:11:02 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/St_Lucia
2020-09-21T16:11:02 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/St_Thomas
2020-09-21T16:11:03 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/St_Vincent
2020-09-21T16:11:03 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/Tortola
2020-09-21T16:11:04 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/EST
2020-09-21T16:11:04 #kisslinux <periish> Oh
2020-09-21T16:11:05 #kisslinux <periish> Oops
2020-09-21T16:11:14 #kisslinux <periish> I took a screenshot of that :v
2020-09-21T16:18:29 #kisslinux <periish> Hello Fulton
2020-09-21T16:22:58 #kisslinux <periish> got any info on Pine Linux?
2020-09-21T16:32:52 #kisslinux <periish> :(
2020-09-21T16:32:58 #kisslinux <periish> why do i never get a reply
2020-09-21T16:37:36 #kisslinux <merakor> :(
2020-09-21T16:38:21 #kisslinux <periish> i just wanna find out about the distro :(
2020-09-21T16:38:24 #kisslinux <merakor> I have only seen that they forked shinit into their repositories and that's how I learned pine-linux
2020-09-21T16:38:36 #kisslinux <periish> yea, i saw they forked repo
2020-09-21T16:38:47 #kisslinux <periish> all i know is it uses shinit and sbase
2020-09-21T16:39:06 #kisslinux <merakor> Same
2020-09-21T16:39:26 #kisslinux <merakor> It seems to be a previous user of KISS
2020-09-21T16:39:49 #kisslinux <periish> I think it still uses the kiss pm
2020-09-21T16:40:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah it does
2020-09-21T16:41:02 #kisslinux <periish> lol citing suckless website
2020-09-21T16:41:17 #kisslinux <periish> No glib :^)
2020-09-21T16:41:18 #kisslinux <merakor> Where :D
2020-09-21T16:41:28 #kisslinux <periish> https://github.com/pine-linux/repos
2020-09-21T16:41:36 #kisslinux <periish> Fulton, you need glib for fontconfig
2020-09-21T16:42:26 #kisslinux <merakor> :o
2020-09-21T16:43:04 #kisslinux <merakor> And it is pretty hard discarding gcc/clang either
2020-09-21T16:43:08 #kisslinux <periish> Aye
2020-09-21T16:43:13 #kisslinux <periish> I'd argue impossible
2020-09-21T16:43:17 #kisslinux <periish> for a Linux distribution
2020-09-21T16:43:42 #kisslinux <periish> A large amount of the linux stack uses cmake
2020-09-21T16:44:19 #kisslinux <merakor> It isn't impossible, but you can only go so far
2020-09-21T16:44:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a sys without glib would be sweet
2020-09-21T16:44:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but then you gotta kick out gtk+ too
2020-09-21T16:44:52 #kisslinux <merakor> It is easy to cover the base without it, (except the kernel itself?)
2020-09-21T16:44:59 #kisslinux <periish> merakor: The reason why I'm saying is impossible is that the kernel needs it
2020-09-21T16:45:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and qt is way worse
2020-09-21T16:45:15 #kisslinux <periish> I'd argue removing the main bit doesn't qualify :p
2020-09-21T16:45:23 #kisslinux <periish> this is also linked http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/
2020-09-21T16:45:27 #kisslinux <periish> which is a doozy
2020-09-21T16:45:29 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah I totally forgot about the kernel for a second when I was saying that
2020-09-21T16:45:58 #kisslinux <merakor> Isn't that table for circlejerking
2020-09-21T16:46:01 #kisslinux <periish> Yes
2020-09-21T16:46:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the kernel uses cmake now?
2020-09-21T16:46:09 #kisslinux <merakor> Lmao
2020-09-21T16:46:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Nah, it uses gcc/clang
2020-09-21T16:46:30 #kisslinux <periish> > ALSA
2020-09-21T16:46:34 #kisslinux <periish> thonq
2020-09-21T16:46:39 #kisslinux <merakor> But it must be either of the two
2020-09-21T16:46:54 #kisslinux <periish> lets rip out kernel drivers that OSS4 uses!!!
2020-09-21T16:47:02 #kisslinux <periish> hell yea B)
2020-09-21T16:47:12 #kisslinux <merakor> Lmao alsa
2020-09-21T16:47:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i dont see why one would voluntarily use clang anyways
2020-09-21T16:47:34 #kisslinux <periish> Better error messages
2020-09-21T16:47:37 #kisslinux <periish> It can spit out wasm
2020-09-21T16:47:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> except out of some GNU hatred
2020-09-21T16:47:45 #kisslinux <periish> And it's jvm support is better afaik
2020-09-21T16:47:52 #kisslinux <periish> GCC can spit out jvm
2020-09-21T16:47:58 #kisslinux <periish> But not very well
2020-09-21T16:48:46 #kisslinux <merakor> I sometimes feel sad for GNU :D
2020-09-21T16:49:12 #kisslinux <periish> why so
2020-09-21T16:50:31 #kisslinux <merakor> Their code is spaghetti, but they receive too much shit for what they do
2020-09-21T16:52:12 #kisslinux <periish> cat-v are funny
2020-09-21T16:52:15 #kisslinux <periish> > Sufficiently advanced Java is indistinguishable from satire.
2020-09-21T16:52:32 #kisslinux <periish> > Java is like a variant of the game of Tetris in which none of the pieces can fill gaps created by the other pieces, so all you can do is pile them up endlessly.
2020-09-21T16:52:50 #kisslinux <merakor> Lmao
2020-09-21T16:59:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> perrish: you don't need glib for fontconfig?
2020-09-21T17:11:40 #kisslinux <periish> Oh
2020-09-21T17:11:43 #kisslinux <periish> I was wrong
2020-09-21T17:11:44 #kisslinux <periish> :v
2020-09-21T17:11:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2020-09-21T17:11:54 #kisslinux <periish> I thought it did!
2020-09-21T17:12:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's just pango really
2020-09-21T17:12:04 #kisslinux <periish> Might've been pango
2020-09-21T17:12:05 #kisslinux <periish> Yea
2020-09-21T17:12:16 #kisslinux <periish> And ffmpeg
2020-09-21T17:13:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> Is that true??
2020-09-21T17:13:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> I hope not
2020-09-21T17:13:38 #kisslinux <periish> it shows up in my revdepends for glib
2020-09-21T17:14:10 #kisslinux <periish> ldd /usr/bin/ffmpeg | grep glib
2020-09-21T17:14:17 #kisslinux <periish> libglib-2.0.so.0 => /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x7f68d1191000)
2020-09-21T17:14:39 #kisslinux <periish> Oh, seems to only use it when available
2020-09-21T17:14:42 #kisslinux <periish> What a relief
2020-09-21T17:18:56 #kisslinux <periish> whom
2020-09-21T17:19:22 #kisslinux <periish> who are you, technologybad
2020-09-21T17:20:52 #kisslinux <periish> Does zstd usually take long to install the static library?
2020-09-21T17:25:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> periish: It can take an extra minute or so, yeag
2020-09-21T17:33:55 #kisslinux <periish> Oh god why?
2020-09-21T17:35:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dunno
2020-09-21T17:35:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's likely the linker
2020-09-21T18:00:50 #kisslinux <periish> Hello boo!
2020-09-21T18:19:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm too stupid to decipher C
2020-09-21T18:19:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> ix.io/2yjH
2020-09-21T18:20:06 #kisslinux <dilynm> Not stupid, I suppose; just uneducated
2020-09-21T18:23:18 #kisslinux <dilynm> (this is all caused by lto fun)
2020-09-21T18:32:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> using lto is asking for trouble
2020-09-21T18:32:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lto kernel?
2020-09-21T18:32:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's already hard enough to old C programs to work with new compilers since they exploit UB in every corner
2020-09-21T18:32:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> *to get
2020-09-21T18:33:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> Google pushes their kernel lto patches to the mailing list
2020-09-21T18:33:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> They're on v3
2020-09-21T18:34:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> Just clang for now. It's just fun to play. If it would actually do the thing haha
2020-09-21T19:04:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> to me LLVM/clang looks like a corporate attempt to derail GNU
2020-09-21T19:04:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> first there was LLVM
2020-09-21T19:04:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> then there were accusations against stallman
2020-09-21T19:04:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> now there's llvm-libc to derail glibc too
2020-09-21T19:17:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah but gnu is gross
2020-09-21T19:18:18 #kisslinux <dilynm> ./s
2020-09-21T19:24:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> never forget: without GNU there would be no linux
2020-09-21T19:25:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> linus was able to code linux because there was GCC
2020-09-21T19:25:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and without the GNU userland the kernel would've been useless
2020-09-21T19:26:28 #kisslinux <micr0> sh4rm4^bnc thank you for bringing this up. I didn't grow up in the heyday of GNU and a reminder of its contributions is a good thing.
2020-09-21T19:27:13 #kisslinux <micr0> I used to license my stuff ISCL (because honestly nothing I make is of any importance anyway), but respect copyleft licensing and ideology a lot more than I used to.
2020-09-21T19:27:22 #kisslinux <micr0> not to mention it let people get cool stuff done.
2020-09-21T19:27:36 #kisslinux <micr0> even if it got a bit bloated and warty along the way.
2020-09-21T19:27:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i think the GPL is a great thing for *applications*
2020-09-21T19:28:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> why should you care whetehr GCC is GPL'd when the code it emits isn't?
2020-09-21T19:28:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but its not that great for libs since it restricts too much what you can do with it
2020-09-21T19:29:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's only when you want to reuse a chunk of code from the application in another program when the license gets into to your way
2020-09-21T19:29:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> for example a cool hashmap implementation
2020-09-21T19:30:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but more often than not, the original author, when contacted, has no problem to re-license it under a more liberal license
2020-09-21T19:30:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> (only that particular component of course)
2020-09-21T19:56:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> sh4rm4^bnc: "first there was LLVM then there were accusations against stallman" this makes it seem like these things followed each other directly and the first might have even been a cause of the second, but that's pretty ridiculous, LLVM was created well over 10 years ago, and the accusations I think you're talking about are like a year or 2 old right?
2020-09-21T19:57:32 #kisslinux <E5ten> also, llvm doesn't need llvm-libc to "derail" glibc, glibc is a linux libc, and musl is already an existing non-GPL libc
2020-09-21T19:59:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lemme guess: you're a proponent of hanlon's razor or whatever its called
2020-09-21T19:59:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> to me this all looks like a systematic takedown of GNU, at a slow but steady pace
2020-09-21T20:00:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> sure, and you can even say that's the purpose of LLVM, but there's absolutely nothing tying LLVM to accusations against stallman that I know of
2020-09-21T20:01:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the ironic part is that the same left-wing liberals that laughed about stallman's abortion joke were instrumental in taking him down
2020-09-21T20:01:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> liberals aren't left-wing, leftists don't like big companies
2020-09-21T20:01:48 #kisslinux <E5ten> you don't know what the words you're using even mean :p
2020-09-21T20:01:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh? aren't they all pro-globalism
2020-09-21T20:03:18 #kisslinux <periish> liberals != left wing
2020-09-21T20:03:27 #kisslinux <E5ten> liberalism is a centre-right to right-wing ideology that is very pro-capitalism, and so yeah, they love globalism because it means instead of corporations getting to control their own country, they get to control the whole world, this doesn't apply to leftists, and liberalism and leftism are fundamentally different, and opposing ideologies
2020-09-21T20:03:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> libertarians != left wing
2020-09-21T20:03:35 #kisslinux <periish> Globalism does not mean corporations :)
2020-09-21T20:04:06 #kisslinux <periish> > libertarians != left wing
2020-09-21T20:04:09 #kisslinux <periish> Course not
2020-09-21T20:04:25 #kisslinux <periish> Leftists who like freedom tend to call themselves anarchist; the right has co-opted that label
2020-09-21T20:05:00 #kisslinux <periish> LLVM serves a different purpose to GCC
2020-09-21T20:05:09 #kisslinux <periish> It's in many ways a modernisation
2020-09-21T20:05:21 #kisslinux <periish> They provide an LSP server, code formatting tools, etc
2020-09-21T20:05:33 #kisslinux <periish> And improved error messages :p
2020-09-21T20:05:43 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wait wait wait, ah4rm4^bnc are you suggesting llvm is some sort of globalist conspiracy?
2020-09-21T20:05:48 #kisslinux <periish> lol
2020-09-21T20:05:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, it uses a "more modern" implementation language, more modern concepts (OOP), and generally more bloat...
2020-09-21T20:05:58 #kisslinux <periish> wait, let me get the copypasta
2020-09-21T20:06:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> you realize that gcc is also written in C++ now right?
2020-09-21T20:06:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i do
2020-09-21T20:06:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since gcc 5.x
2020-09-21T20:06:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> uh, 4.8
2020-09-21T20:06:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> the idea that leftists and liberals are the same can only really make sense when you look at the world purely through a "culture war" kind of lens, where you see that both leftists and liberals agree on certain social issues, and so conclude that they are the same, but this ignores even more important issues, you have to apply a class analysis
2020-09-21T20:06:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but it uses (at least) a conservative C++ subset
2020-09-21T20:07:05 #kisslinux <dilynm> But that doesn't fit into a soundbyte E5ten
2020-09-21T20:07:35 #kisslinux <periish> how else will we get our political knowledge!!!!
2020-09-21T20:08:04 #kisslinux <periish> if it werent for 15 word massive oversimplifications of issues at hand, i would be clueless, i tell you
2020-09-21T20:08:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> the shortest explanation of how different leftists and liberals are is pretty much "liberals are capitalists, leftists are anti-capitalists"
2020-09-21T20:08:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> just to make it clear what angle I'm coming at this from, I'm a leftist
2020-09-21T20:08:56 #kisslinux <periish> > leftists are anti-capitalists
2020-09-21T20:09:06 #kisslinux <periish> Depends on what you consider mutualists to be :^)
2020-09-21T20:09:12 #kisslinux <picmyk> hello everyone
2020-09-21T20:09:15 #kisslinux <periish> Hello!
2020-09-21T20:09:23 #kisslinux <mcf> periish: no reason other than simple oversight, i'd happily apply a patch to use BINDIR if you have one
2020-09-21T20:09:25 #kisslinux <picmyk> i will install kiss today
2020-09-21T20:09:47 #kisslinux <picmyk> do i need a ramfs to use encrypted zfs on root?
2020-09-21T20:09:50 #kisslinux <periish> Yes
2020-09-21T20:09:58 #kisslinux <periish> Use illiliti's tinyramfs on github
2020-09-21T20:10:07 #kisslinux <periish> mcf: should be pretty simple.
2020-09-21T20:10:11 #kisslinux <periish> Let me write one real quick
2020-09-21T20:10:20 #kisslinux <picmyk> how do i tie it to system updates?
2020-09-21T20:10:26 #kisslinux <periish> Also; here's the copypasta I mentioned earlier
2020-09-21T20:10:27 #kisslinux <picmyk> i should maybe read up more?
2020-09-21T20:10:28 #kisslinux <periish> This is of course all part of the global red hat conspiracy to take over Linux piece by piece. Systemd is just a cog in the corporate takeover of Linux by Red Hat, a subsidiary of IBM (the devil). Lenart Poettering is actually the great grandchild of Stalin and this plan has been in the works since the Cold War. Notice how the hat is *red? This is not a coincidence. Open source is Communism after all. Just another tool in the So
2020-09-21T20:10:34 #kisslinux <periish> Thanks to dylan for this
2020-09-21T20:10:55 #kisslinux <picmyk> oh yeah gtk3 is redhat
2020-09-21T20:10:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> This is modern art
2020-09-21T20:11:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> periish: I haven't heard of mutualists before, got a brief rundown?
2020-09-21T20:11:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the only good thing to say about redhat is that they sponsor gcc development
2020-09-21T20:11:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> buf if they aren't anti-capitalist, I wouldn't consider them leftists honestly
2020-09-21T20:11:34 #kisslinux <periish> E5ten: 'Market socialists'
2020-09-21T20:11:34 #kisslinux <picmyk> because gtk3 was made pretty much for gnome3 which is by redhat
2020-09-21T20:11:53 #kisslinux <picmyk> it is slower and bigger
2020-09-21T20:12:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> Political theory is hairy
2020-09-21T20:12:08 #kisslinux <picmyk> and i have heard theming is harder
2020-09-21T20:12:13 #kisslinux <periish> You'll be disappointed to find out we only have GTK+3
2020-09-21T20:12:16 #kisslinux <picmyk> gtk2 4 lyfe
2020-09-21T20:12:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> picmyk +1
2020-09-21T20:12:29 #kisslinux <picmyk> you finally discontinued gtk2 for gtk3?
2020-09-21T20:12:30 #kisslinux <periish> It was dropped from repo
2020-09-21T20:12:33 #kisslinux <picmyk> what is your reasoning
2020-09-21T20:12:35 #kisslinux <picmyk> noooooo
2020-09-21T20:12:37 #kisslinux <picmyk> fuck
2020-09-21T20:12:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> periish: I guess that'd be leftist, but it's a variety of leftism I definitely disagree with
2020-09-21T20:12:41 #kisslinux <periish> Only exists in community for Chromium
2020-09-21T20:12:44 #kisslinux <picmyk> whatever I was doing this shit backup then
2020-09-21T20:12:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sabotage linux (my distro) uses only GTK+2
2020-09-21T20:12:46 #kisslinux <picmyk> eat dick
2020-09-21T20:12:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> Doesn't firefox still need it at build time?
2020-09-21T20:12:51 #kisslinux <picmyk> redhat shills
2020-09-21T20:12:51 #kisslinux <periish> No, I think
2020-09-21T20:12:57 #kisslinux <periish> Other than in Wayland
2020-09-21T20:13:01 #kisslinux <periish> I... think
2020-09-21T20:13:04 #kisslinux <periish> I'm not sure
2020-09-21T20:13:08 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2020-09-21T20:13:10 #kisslinux <picmyk> really man
2020-09-21T20:13:19 #kisslinux <picmyk> why take out gtk2
2020-09-21T20:13:24 #kisslinux <picmyk> forced obsolescence
2020-09-21T20:13:26 #kisslinux <periish> Same reason we don't have python2
2020-09-21T20:13:27 #kisslinux <periish> :>
2020-09-21T20:13:31 #kisslinux <picmyk> you hate systemd but love gtk3
2020-09-21T20:13:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> Don't we literally only use gtk for firefox tho
2020-09-21T20:13:39 #kisslinux <picmyk> gtk2 is very stable
2020-09-21T20:13:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sabotage linux has only python2, too :)
2020-09-21T20:13:55 #kisslinux <periish> Software should always be
2020-09-21T20:13:56 #kisslinux <periish>   kept up-to-date unless there is a blocker in doing so.
2020-09-21T20:13:59 #kisslinux <picmyk> and it is faster and smaller
2020-09-21T20:14:05 #kisslinux <picmyk> MUH
2020-09-21T20:14:08 #kisslinux <periish> It's in the guidestones, you see
2020-09-21T20:14:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if "progress" means sucking, then "nope"
2020-09-21T20:14:22 #kisslinux <picmyk> yeah because newer versions of firefox are TOTALLY improvements over the last
2020-09-21T20:14:23 #kisslinux <periish> I find GTK+3 quite lovely, personally
2020-09-21T20:14:32 #kisslinux <picmyk> that is a FAKE proposition
2020-09-21T20:14:40 #kisslinux <picmyk> not always does progress equal good
2020-09-21T20:14:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i hate python3 personally
2020-09-21T20:14:53 #kisslinux <picmyk> and gtk3 is a shit update to gtk2
2020-09-21T20:15:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> almost every release is incompatible with the ancestor
2020-09-21T20:15:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> not so python2: stable as a rock
2020-09-21T20:15:13 #kisslinux <periish> VAAPI decoding under X11 is quite an improvement over the previous
2020-09-21T20:15:15 #kisslinux <picmyk> and for nothing
2020-09-21T20:15:30 #kisslinux <picmyk> are you deaf?
2020-09-21T20:15:34 #kisslinux <picmyk> i said "not always"
2020-09-21T20:15:43 #kisslinux <picmyk> updates can be good or bad
2020-09-21T20:15:44 #kisslinux <periish> I'm not deaf, but I can't hear wait you said :p
2020-09-21T20:15:49 #kisslinux <periish> s/wait/what
2020-09-21T20:16:00 #kisslinux <picmyk> well.... "blind"
2020-09-21T20:16:11 #kisslinux <picmyk> and gtk and systemd only get bad updates
2020-09-21T20:16:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> The beauty of the system is you can freely peg yourself to firefox 68
2020-09-21T20:16:18 #kisslinux <periish> Yup ^
2020-09-21T20:16:25 #kisslinux <picmyk> anything r*dhat gets bad updates
2020-09-21T20:16:29 #kisslinux <periish> KISS isn't a massive monolith
2020-09-21T20:16:50 #kisslinux <periish> It's only taken an afternoon to convert the `extra` repo to a wholly different FHS
2020-09-21T20:17:11 #kisslinux <periish> mcf: https://termbin.com/r9kl
2020-09-21T20:17:15 #kisslinux <periish> Here's the patch
2020-09-21T20:18:51 #kisslinux <periish> Once GTK+2 is dropped from commmunity, I, alongside many others most likely, will adopt it into my own repo
2020-09-21T20:19:24 #kisslinux <periish> Nothing stops me from doing so
2020-09-21T20:19:37 #kisslinux <periish> Nor you
2020-09-21T20:19:54 #kisslinux <periish> That's the wonder of KISS; user choice
2020-09-21T20:20:12 #kisslinux <periish> You are in control, not some high and mighty committee
2020-09-21T20:20:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> user choice vs BDFL
2020-09-21T20:20:46 #kisslinux <periish> Yes?
2020-09-21T20:20:54 #kisslinux <periish> You are free to be your own BDFL
2020-09-21T20:21:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i am, the product is called sabotage linux :>
2020-09-21T20:21:08 #kisslinux <periish> it is trivial to do
2020-09-21T20:21:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's been around since 2011, i suspect kiss linux took at least a dozen inspirations from it
2020-09-21T20:21:56 #kisslinux <periish> Well that's putting yourself on a pedestal :p
2020-09-21T20:22:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> just reading "package manager in less than 1000 lines of POSIX sh" sounds too much sabotage to me
2020-09-21T20:22:52 #kisslinux <periish> More than one person can have an idea, no?
2020-09-21T20:22:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> even the commands are almost identical
2020-09-21T20:23:09 #kisslinux <periish> Of course, you'd have to ask dylan
2020-09-21T20:23:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> butch outdated -> kiss outdated
2020-09-21T20:23:31 #kisslinux <periish> kiss outdated is a contribution script
2020-09-21T20:23:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah
2020-09-21T20:23:41 #kisslinux <periish> Does butch map outdated to `o`?
2020-09-21T20:23:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> we dont have shortcut commands
2020-09-21T20:24:02 #kisslinux <periish> Sad
2020-09-21T20:24:16 #kisslinux <periish> I quite like `k bi`
2020-09-21T20:24:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'm used to type "git commit" so i dont see how "butch install" is problematic
2020-09-21T20:24:37 #kisslinux <periish> I have that aliased as `gc`
2020-09-21T20:24:44 #kisslinux <periish> For you see, I am *lazy*
2020-09-21T20:24:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2020-09-21T20:24:58 #kisslinux <mcf> sh4rm4^bnc: was sabotage the first musl based distribution?
2020-09-21T20:25:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yep
2020-09-21T20:25:05 #kisslinux <periish> Gets confusing when I want to clone something
2020-09-21T20:25:06 #kisslinux <periish> Lol
2020-09-21T20:25:15 #kisslinux <periish> > yep
2020-09-21T20:25:21 #kisslinux <periish> That's quite cool actually
2020-09-21T20:26:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> during sabotage development we found at least some 200+ bugs in musl
2020-09-21T20:26:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and filed almost the same amount of upstream bug reports
2020-09-21T20:26:54 #kisslinux <periish> Nice
2020-09-21T20:26:58 #kisslinux <periish> Thank you for your service
2020-09-21T20:27:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> welcome
2020-09-21T20:27:53 #kisslinux <mcf> i think it's fair to say that any musl distribution owes quite a lot to sabotage
2020-09-21T20:28:01 #kisslinux <periish> Aye
2020-09-21T20:28:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thanks
2020-09-21T20:28:22 #kisslinux <periish> I wouldn't disagree
2020-09-21T20:28:29 #kisslinux <periish> Actually, that reminds me
2020-09-21T20:28:40 #kisslinux <periish> I was looking into dietlibc and bionic libc a while back
2020-09-21T20:29:31 #kisslinux <periish> Would anyone here happen to have any experience with those, perchance?
2020-09-21T20:29:53 #kisslinux <periish> Hello dilynm!
2020-09-21T20:30:16 #kisslinux <dilynm> I keep leaving my living room lmao
2020-09-21T20:30:21 #kisslinux <dilynm> My poor data plan
2020-09-21T20:30:37 #kisslinux <periish> Ouch
2020-09-21T21:22:36 #kisslinux <mcf> periish: what should i use in the author field for that patch?
2020-09-21T21:33:14 #kisslinux <periish> periish should be fine; it's my github username
2020-09-21T21:34:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> --author='periish <periish⊙ungc>'
2020-09-21T21:34:57 #kisslinux <mcf> thanks
2020-09-21T21:49:02 #kisslinux <periish> Pushed all my progress over the past couple days
2020-09-21T21:49:10 #kisslinux <periish> Now I need to come up with a name :<
2020-09-21T21:51:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if i was to pick a new name today, it would be coñolinux, in tune with the  coñovirus (j/k)
2020-09-21T21:52:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> Cerveza Linux. You have to be drunk to misunderstand it
2020-09-21T23:40:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I did it... Firefox without GTK+2 https://github.com/dylanaraps/wayland-experiment/blob/master/extra/firefox/patches/no-gtk2.patch
2020-09-21T23:43:09 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> nice!
2020-09-21T23:43:47 #kisslinux <himmalerin_kirc> oooh, that is nice!
2020-09-21T23:44:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Note: Haven't tested with Xorg yet
2020-09-21T23:45:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will do so tomorrow