2021-02-24T00:00:18 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> you know... now that you're the bdfl and all... might be best for that info be public
2021-02-24T00:00:22 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-24T00:00:32 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> s/info be/info to be/
2021-02-24T00:00:33 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtlx1b> you know... now that you're the bdfl and all... might be best for that info to be public
2021-02-24T00:00:46 #kisslinux <acheam> BDFL by night, philosopher by day. Nobody needs to know
2021-02-24T00:01:00 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> actually, you know what
2021-02-24T00:01:03 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> keep it private
2021-02-24T00:01:17 #kisslinux <acheam> oh?
2021-02-24T00:01:22 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> don't want the arch loonix ninjas getting a second target
2021-02-24T00:01:34 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-02-24T00:01:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> Red Hat CIA operatives*
2021-02-24T00:01:52 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> lol
2021-02-24T00:01:56 #kisslinux <acheam> lost ubuntu-ers
2021-02-24T00:04:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i once heard that ubuntu is a south african word meaning "can't configure Debian"
2021-02-24T00:04:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> My phone is on silent lmao woops
2021-02-24T00:04:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah I'll make it public. Right after I put this on my resume, my CV, my LinkedIn...
2021-02-24T00:04:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> midfavila: dead
2021-02-24T00:05:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> can you add me to your professional network mister BDFL
2021-02-24T00:05:08 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Also, accurate
2021-02-24T00:05:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> My professional network is six baristas and my high school math teacher
2021-02-24T00:05:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd really like to network with your contacts and synchronize
2021-02-24T00:05:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> So, no. It's all full
2021-02-24T00:05:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> can I have one of your top ten spaces on myspace
2021-02-24T00:05:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll settle for that
2021-02-24T00:06:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> jesus christ it's so fucking cold in my apartment
2021-02-24T00:06:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to compile GCC on a while loop
2021-02-24T00:06:48 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Sorry, those spots are full of the boys who try to get me to buy their onlyfans content
2021-02-24T00:06:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-02-24T00:07:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> That's my plan!
2021-02-24T00:07:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> how unprofessional
2021-02-24T00:07:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a vry srs freenode channel sir
2021-02-24T00:07:55 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Guidestones, website, GitHub, git, irc/reddit, what else
2021-02-24T00:08:00 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Should I cover
2021-02-24T00:08:05 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> -s
2021-02-24T00:08:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> make sure to scrape it into the bathroom stalls at your local walmart
2021-02-24T00:08:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> underground marketing is all the rage with the kids these days
2021-02-24T00:08:42 #kisslinux <acheam> DilynCorner[m]:  i made a list last night
2021-02-24T00:08:46 #kisslinux <acheam> check the logs
2021-02-24T00:08:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'll ask banksy to make a art of it
2021-02-24T00:08:59 #kisslinux <acheam> it had more than what you'll be able to cover though
2021-02-24T00:10:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You doubt my verbosity young padawan
2021-02-24T00:16:06 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: just got around to looking at your feedback on the md site.  everything should have been addressed. lemme know your thoughts.
2021-02-24T00:17:57 #kisslinux <acheam> you're a legend! That's awesome. The one thing I still see off is the mobile support. On my small phone, it's impossible to read without zooming in and having to horizontally scroll
2021-02-24T00:18:40 #kisslinux <acheam> oh, and the body of the HTML isn't minified
2021-02-24T00:19:36 #kisslinux <acheam> one more thing: a nice strict CSP could be added
2021-02-24T00:21:27 #kisslinux <acheam> perhaps some kind of delimiter could be added to the i686 section here? https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/wiki/community/ports
2021-02-24T00:22:02 #kisslinux <acheam> sorry, I know i'm being super annoying, don't feel obliged to any of this
2021-02-24T00:22:23 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> full minification will come after self-hosting. i haven’t gotten around to it  yet.
2021-02-24T00:22:58 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> yeah. i thought i fixed the mobile scaling issue. gimme a minute
2021-02-24T00:23:23 #kisslinux <acheam> making the guidestones an unordered list might help the readability
2021-02-24T00:25:26 #kisslinux <acheam> also, are you against an <hr> being used to separate the footer?
2021-02-24T00:25:49 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> meh. indifferent. lol. we can try it.
2021-02-24T00:30:22 #kisslinux <merakor> DilynCorner[m]: I unironically have carbs on linkedin
2021-02-24T00:30:59 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-24T00:31:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I have KISS on the projects page of my website
2021-02-24T00:32:28 #kisslinux <merakor> And all jokes aside, I actually do want to apply to a job at RedHat Berlin lmao
2021-02-24T00:32:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> blech
2021-02-24T00:33:02 #kisslinux <merakor> And that's why I never joke about Redhat
2021-02-24T00:33:32 #kisslinux <merakor> I love Redhat
2021-02-24T00:33:37 #kisslinux <merakor> Hello RedHat employees
2021-02-24T00:33:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> opinion discarded
2021-02-24T00:35:02 #kisslinux * merakor shrugs
2021-02-24T00:35:40 #kisslinux <merakor> I will replace RHEL with carbs
2021-02-24T00:35:48 #kisslinux <merakor> That's my goal
2021-02-24T00:36:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you can de-glowie red hat then you have my respect
2021-02-24T00:36:26 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: check the mobile view. should be better now.
2021-02-24T00:36:55 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: argh. disregard. lol
2021-02-24T00:40:41 #kisslinux <merakor> To be honest, I really don't know what I want to do for a living once I'm a graduate. I don't like corporate environments.
2021-02-24T00:41:23 #kisslinux <merakor> I know that I mainly want to focus on Linux, but there is no "making a living" on Linux unless you are corporate.
2021-02-24T00:41:59 #kisslinux <merakor> Maybe academics?
2021-02-24T00:42:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Seems like the only way I don't start hating myself.
2021-02-24T00:45:27 #kisslinux <jared> hello whello world
2021-02-24T00:45:42 #kisslinux <jared> hello world.
2021-02-24T00:46:41 #kisslinux <merakor> Hello jared
2021-02-24T00:46:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> subway guy!
2021-02-24T00:47:00 #kisslinux <nerditup> I'm seeing some spam messages on Freenode :/
2021-02-24T00:47:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah for what it's worth I can relate to that feeling
2021-02-24T00:47:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll probably just aim for being a sysadmin for a small or medium business
2021-02-24T00:47:54 #kisslinux <acheam> hi jared
2021-02-24T00:48:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> that or independent security work. I already have a few people interested in training me
2021-02-24T00:48:10 #kisslinux <acheam> nerditup:  yeah they've been coming through this evening
2021-02-24T00:48:41 #kisslinux <merakor> I like system administration, but ABSOLUTELY HATE NETWORKING
2021-02-24T00:48:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> networking is just busywork
2021-02-24T00:49:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> not fun, but at least it's not helpdesk
2021-02-24T00:49:06 #kisslinux <nerditup> AWS makes networking so simple! /s
2021-02-24T00:49:10 #kisslinux <merakor> I used to work with an ISP
2021-02-24T00:49:24 #kisslinux <merakor> I pity the souls who do networking
2021-02-24T00:50:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> my college instructor today told someone that they wouldn't end up doing helpdesk as long as they have A+ or Net+ certs
2021-02-24T00:50:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that just made me sad
2021-02-24T00:50:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> because they're totally gonna end up getting stuck as helpdesk
2021-02-24T00:51:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah helpdesk sucks as well.
2021-02-24T00:51:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just fucking despise normies
2021-02-24T00:51:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd literally rather do menial labor than helpdesk
2021-02-24T00:52:45 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: guidestones look better as unordered list.
2021-02-24T00:53:10 #kisslinux <nerditup> Post graduation, I went through a bunch of different roles. I prefer working independently and agile sucks the life out of me. Hard to nail down a good role
2021-02-24T00:53:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I only graduated from high school a few months ago
2021-02-24T00:53:41 #kisslinux <merakor> nerditup: It is always fun to watch the internet going mad when AWS is down.
2021-02-24T00:53:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I already hate the industry at large
2021-02-24T00:53:48 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: also, the mobile view “might” be fixed.  cant confirm if desktop is broken tho since i am pushing changes from my phone ^^
2021-02-24T00:54:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone is into agile or scrum or SAAS or Gimmick:tm: and it makes me incomprehensibly irate
2021-02-24T00:54:27 #kisslinux <merakor> mcpcpc[m]: Dylan made it an ordered list, because he wanted to be able to reference it on issues and PRs
2021-02-24T00:54:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> like who fucking gives a shit about all of that
2021-02-24T00:54:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally just do your goddamn job
2021-02-24T00:54:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> not to mention everything is just outsourced anyway
2021-02-24T00:55:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> man all I want is a comfy unix admin job
2021-02-24T00:55:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> is that so much to ask for
2021-02-24T00:55:57 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean, it's much cheaper to get AWS than to hiring a sysadmin and having a dedicated server.
2021-02-24T00:56:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it also makes you dependent on an outside service
2021-02-24T00:56:12 #kisslinux <merakor> Doesn't change the fact that SaaS and AWS are crap
2021-02-24T00:56:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh profit is fucking stupid
2021-02-24T00:57:01 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> merakor: ? the actual k1ss website is an undered list.  https://k1ss.net/guidestones
2021-02-24T00:57:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> "we can't do things ourselves, anon, it's cheaper to outsource everything to Megacorp Inc or $COUNTRY. that way we can skirt regulations, too!"
2021-02-24T00:57:22 #kisslinux <nerditup> I found a career in writing automation for businesses. Essentially taking their antiquated (human) processes and automating them
2021-02-24T00:57:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> "reliability? security? control over our computing? those are all obsolete."
2021-02-24T00:57:40 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> * merakor: ? the actual k1ss website is an unordered list.  https://k1ss.net/guidestones
2021-02-24T00:57:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck this I'm writing a time machine in lisp and going back to the 1970s
2021-02-24T00:58:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> does emacs have that function yet systemE
2021-02-24T00:59:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to avert the choice to adopt MS-DOS as the standard OS for IBM's PC
2021-02-24T00:59:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> c h a n g e   t h e   f u t u r e
2021-02-24T00:59:58 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> merakor: maybe you are thinking of the style guide?
2021-02-24T01:00:12 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  mobile view is fixed, although the font size is small. You really are the king of working remotely, mcpcpc[m] :)
2021-02-24T01:01:25 #kisslinux <acheam> but don't feel rushed to make any of these changes
2021-02-24T01:01:43 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lol. ty. doing my best.
2021-02-24T01:02:30 #kisslinux <merakor> mcpcpc[m]: Oh, my bad. I misinterpreted as the style guide.
2021-02-24T01:02:45 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> merakor: no worries
2021-02-24T01:03:11 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/kisslinux/comments/lqz04o/new_bdfl_same_direction/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
2021-02-24T01:03:26 #kisslinux <acheam> also, you might want to point out on the wiki index that the `kiss help` command exists
2021-02-24T01:03:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Long winded because I'm like that bit has sections
2021-02-24T01:03:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Open to feedback, suggestions. Reserve the right to say no :)
2021-02-24T01:04:02 #kisslinux <acheam> DilynCorner[m]:  do you want that published on the kiss website mirror?
2021-02-24T01:04:37 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <DilynCorner[m] "Open to feedback, suggestions. R"> i think it makes sense.  will update it in a bit
2021-02-24T01:05:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> acheam: feel free
2021-02-24T01:09:44 #kisslinux <merakor> DilynCorner[m]: regarding the package manager section, I can take hold of patch review and bug fixes since I probably know the most about the internals of the package manager after Dylan. I used to send patches to Dylan, but I stopped sending them after my fork drastically changed directions (hence the rename).
2021-02-24T01:12:28 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> thank goodness this channel isn't well known, we're completely unprepared for any spam
2021-02-24T01:13:31 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtlx1b:  we're easily foiled by /list though
2021-02-24T01:13:55 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Eh, they're more interested in more populated channels
2021-02-24T01:14:06 #kisslinux <acheam> i've only seen them in queries so far
2021-02-24T01:14:09 #kisslinux <acheam> gotten 4 of 'em
2021-02-24T01:14:30 #kisslinux <acheam> and then quickly added +R to my mode
2021-02-24T01:15:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> merakor: yes that would be wonderful :) I'm going to have to learn a lot of things real fast and stop learning a few other things
2021-02-24T01:16:31 #kisslinux <merakor> DilynCorner[m]: Yeah, I already did some PR and issue reviews on the repository a few days back, you can check them out :)
2021-02-24T01:16:43 #kisslinux <konimex> speaking of irc, does this channel have mode +r?
2021-02-24T01:16:49 #kisslinux <merakor> Nope
2021-02-24T01:17:19 #kisslinux <merakor> You can send messages without being identified
2021-02-24T01:17:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'm always watching shifty eyes
2021-02-24T01:18:05 #kisslinux <acheam> DilynCorner[m]:  do you want repo-bin to be moved from kiss-community?
2021-02-24T01:18:18 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Dammit merakor: xD
2021-02-24T01:18:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> repo-bin can stay! Eventually providing binary packages would be interesting
2021-02-24T01:18:52 #kisslinux <acheam> okay!
2021-02-24T01:19:15 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Too labor intensive for ME to do right now because laptop, but I'm considering the possibility. At the very least, having Firefox/rust/etc available is very good(tm)
2021-02-24T01:19:16 #kisslinux <acheam> you would probably be reliying on my closet black box though
2021-02-24T01:19:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmao
2021-02-24T01:19:29 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I won't be using your binaries whistle
2021-02-24T01:19:39 #kisslinux <merakor> lol
2021-02-24T01:19:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> We'll figure out something I'm sure
2021-02-24T01:19:55 #kisslinux <acheam> kk
2021-02-24T01:20:16 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  are you going to keep working on the md website?
2021-02-24T01:21:16 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I love your work mcpcpc
2021-02-24T01:21:30 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Just prefer the simplicity
2021-02-24T01:21:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I could maybe be convinced but it's highly unlikely :X
2021-02-24T01:21:59 #kisslinux <merakor> There are some things people don't consider when sending a PR to the package manager, which is alright, because they don't know where to look. Thankfully Dylan is mostly good at self-documenting code.
2021-02-24T01:23:26 #kisslinux <merakor> Plus, I have tweaked the package manager for over a year, so I know exactly where to look.
2021-02-24T01:24:18 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah I've read the whole thing over a dozen times and I still sometimes forget where things are
2021-02-24T01:24:34 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> But im also illiterate sooooooo
2021-02-24T01:25:04 #kisslinux <merakor> No, I do sometimes forget stuff myself.
2021-02-24T01:25:30 #kisslinux <merakor> Even though it is less than 1200SLOC, it is still a complex piece of software.
2021-02-24T01:25:52 #kisslinux <merakor> I have uncovered ugly bugs just by adding unit tests to cpt
2021-02-24T01:26:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Very
2021-02-24T01:28:10 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: i think i am done pushing changes for tonight. gotta get caught up on some work.
2021-02-24T01:31:35 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> nice post, dilyn, looks good
2021-02-24T01:32:07 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Tyty
2021-02-24T01:32:20 #kisslinux <merakor> And there are some real ugly hacks such as the as_root() privilege escalation, which makes it much more harder to catch some bugs, because kiss (and cpt for that matter) essentially reruns itself for running as root.
2021-02-24T01:32:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Now I'm gonna push this grub fix and fix up the wiki...
2021-02-24T01:32:40 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah
2021-02-24T01:32:49 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Now
2021-02-24T01:32:54 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Prepare to meet your creator
2021-02-24T01:32:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'm interested in changes like that
2021-02-24T01:33:01 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmao oh no
2021-02-24T01:33:16 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Where is that motherfucker of a nazi
2021-02-24T01:33:22 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I will SMASH YOUR FACE
2021-02-24T01:33:30 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> anyways...
2021-02-24T01:33:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh boy
2021-02-24T01:33:53 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> hey
2021-02-24T01:33:55 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> bad
2021-02-24T01:34:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck off
2021-02-24T01:34:04 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> meh, I'll deal with this later
2021-02-24T01:34:07 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> midfavila: ?
2021-02-24T01:34:56 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> "fuck off" was for who?
2021-02-24T01:35:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> you. joking about censorship isn't too funny
2021-02-24T01:35:38 #kisslinux <konimex> and here we go again
2021-02-24T01:35:52 #kisslinux <merakor> kiedtlx1b: How can you get operator when I still can't even get #carbslinux registered
2021-02-24T01:36:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Time to bore mods again
2021-02-24T01:38:15 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> merakor: I'm in the process of transferring the kisslinux org to DilynCorner[m] and the community
2021-02-24T01:38:17 #kisslinux * merakor aggresively types "freenode group registration" to ddg for the billionth time
2021-02-24T01:38:39 #kisslinux <merakor> Who did you contact?
2021-02-24T01:38:39 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> no offence but asking them now isn't a good time, they are pretty damn busy
2021-02-24T01:38:46 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I asked in #freenode
2021-02-24T01:38:51 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> and later talked to kline
2021-02-24T01:39:06 #kisslinux <merakor> Makes sense
2021-02-24T01:39:24 #kisslinux <merakor> I never actually tried going to #freenode
2021-02-24T01:40:46 #kisslinux <merakor> I PM'd the mods listed on Freenode group registration page. Never got a response, talked with another mod who told me to mail projects@freenode, which I never got a response from. That was the beginning of the pandemic.
2021-02-24T01:41:27 #kisslinux <merakor> I tried contacting a couple of times later, then I gave up.
2021-02-24T01:42:47 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> What a shitshow
2021-02-24T01:42:54 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Thanks kiedtl
2021-02-24T01:43:57 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah exactly
2021-02-24T01:44:27 #kisslinux <merakor> The first time I was like "okay there is a pandemic no need to rush", but it's been a year at this point.
2021-02-24T01:45:08 #kisslinux <merakor> Anyway, it's almost morning here so I gotta signoff.
2021-02-24T01:45:13 #kisslinux <merakor> Catch you later
2021-02-24T02:03:10 #kisslinux <kayw> well looks like you do
2021-02-24T02:03:50 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Yeah. I still can't modify the URL of the channel, though.
2021-02-24T02:04:14 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Or unset -c. Oh well. I'll wait for the spam storm to pass before messaging the operators again.
2021-02-24T02:04:29 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Time to get back to my forth project.
2021-02-24T02:05:44 #kisslinux <kayw> mmmm, forth
2021-02-24T02:05:55 #kisslinux <kayw> it's been gaining some popularity recently
2021-02-24T02:07:07 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> yup. first saw it in collapseos.
2021-02-24T02:07:19 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> nutty but intellectually interesting.
2021-02-24T02:10:38 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> LMFAO
2021-02-24T02:10:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> My first commit to the repo and there's a goddamn typo in the commit message
2021-02-24T02:10:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> welcome to my world, thots
2021-02-24T02:13:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> a commit full of typos is better than "docs: update" :P
2021-02-24T02:13:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> iirc dylan even had a nice script in ~/bin to run "git add . && git commit -m 'docs: update'"
2021-02-24T02:26:01 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Indeed he does
2021-02-24T02:44:37 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: I meant in the long run
2021-02-24T02:51:24 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: oh. yeah. duh. dunno.  whatever Dilyn + community decides. the markdown version has matured further than i expected to take it…
2021-02-24T02:52:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I think dilyn decided against using it
2021-02-24T02:54:49 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sure.  well it exists now. lol. i was only working on it due to the feedback i was receiving.  but if there is no value in pursuing this, then i will focus my efforts else where :). i just want the website/wiki to be “clean” and simple since it’s a treasure trove of information.
2021-02-24T02:56:22 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> so it was a neat “experiment” and we can now see the potential of the md format. if some other standard is chosen, then it would be easy to convert the md files.
2021-02-24T03:00:13 #kisslinux <acheam> well, thanks for the time you put towards it
2021-02-24T03:03:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> acheam: The kisslinux org was created, and you are one of the group contacts now
2021-02-24T03:03:42 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> np! also, i have considered taking a stab at Dylans `k` todo list since… but idk who wants to lead that charge.
2021-02-24T03:04:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> * np! also, i have considered taking a stab at Dylans `k` todo list… but idk who wants to lead that charge.
2021-02-24T03:04:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> only thing left is to get actual ownership of the channel... without that I can't edit some of the modes
2021-02-24T03:06:40 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> mcpcpc: it does look mighty clean I will admit
2021-02-24T03:08:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> DilynCorner[m]: are you planning to switch back to IRC? I don't think I can transfer the freenode group to a matrix nick...
2021-02-24T03:08:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> ...or can I? All it takes is adding another group contact
2021-02-24T03:09:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Aw but muh element
2021-02-24T03:12:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> I dunno. I'll talk to the ops later
2021-02-24T03:13:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I can always just redownload revolutionirc I guess lol
2021-02-24T03:13:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Idc
2021-02-24T03:17:20 #kisslinux <systemE> sup
2021-02-24T03:18:10 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> s u h
2021-02-24T03:18:57 #kisslinux <systemE> man i need to log 12 hours at work every day for the next 5 days in a row
2021-02-24T03:19:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ew
2021-02-24T03:19:08 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Quit
2021-02-24T03:19:17 #kisslinux * systemE has a family
2021-02-24T03:19:26 #kisslinux <systemE> they're not happy either tho
2021-02-24T03:19:31 #kisslinux <systemE> shitty situation
2021-02-24T03:20:00 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Quit them too
2021-02-24T03:20:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> Quit family because bad job?
2021-02-24T03:20:53 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks kiedtl0!
2021-02-24T03:21:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> np
2021-02-24T03:21:56 #kisslinux <acheam> abandon life, return to emacs
2021-02-24T03:22:17 #kisslinux <acheam> there are no responsibilites where we're going
2021-02-24T03:22:22 #kisslinux <acheam> only lisp
2021-02-24T03:22:22 #kisslinux <systemE> Yeah
2021-02-24T03:22:48 #kisslinux <systemE> i have a good family man
2021-02-24T03:22:57 #kisslinux <systemE> just need to get this work done
2021-02-24T03:23:18 #kisslinux <systemE> Return to Emacs does sound good tho
2021-02-24T03:24:25 #kisslinux <systemE> Working on ubuntu drupal nginx ansible servers took the fun out of linux
2021-02-24T03:25:00 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds like hell
2021-02-24T03:25:04 #kisslinux <systemE> it's like, my job is to fix their shit, but they dont listen when I'm like, this is happening because their whole premise is wrong,
2021-02-24T03:26:24 #kisslinux <systemE> now we're talking about doing things with docker and kubernetes
2021-02-24T03:26:43 #kisslinux <systemE> which is actually kind of fun, but i think it's going to be more hell by the time kubernetes get involved
2021-02-24T03:26:56 #kisslinux <systemE> ^_^
2021-02-24T03:31:08 #kisslinux <systemE> Dumping databases for days
2021-02-24T03:31:28 #kisslinux <systemE> Hey do you guys think I could make mysql faster with a clustered setup involving queries with lots of JOINs and millions of data
2021-02-24T03:43:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-02-24T03:43:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> danteissaias, dilyn the udev loader issue is fixed in the latest libudev-zero
2021-02-24T03:44:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> hey testuser_[m]
2021-02-24T03:44:44 #kisslinux <acheam> good morning testuser_[m]
2021-02-24T03:45:11 #kisslinux <acheam> i'd reccomend reading Dilyn's manifesto
2021-02-24T03:45:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> Dilyn has a manifesto?
2021-02-24T03:46:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i am going through logs rn
2021-02-24T03:47:01 #kisslinux <acheam> accounts vary, kiedtl0
2021-02-24T03:47:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I think "manifesto" is an apt word for it
2021-02-24T03:47:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> oh... where is it?
2021-02-24T03:47:32 #kisslinux <acheam> https://dilyn-corner.github.io/blog/Trajectory#6.0
2021-02-24T03:47:46 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr, just this
2021-02-24T03:47:48 #kisslinux <acheam> https://dilyn-corner.github.io/blog/Trajectory
2021-02-24T03:48:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I could turn it into a proper manifesto
2021-02-24T03:48:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Eat the rich
2021-02-24T03:48:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Seize the means of production
2021-02-24T03:48:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Bath in the blood of the capitalist pigs
2021-02-24T03:59:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> Bath in the blood of Dylan's kidnappers first
2021-02-24T04:01:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice manifesto
2021-02-24T04:23:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So, am i still supposed to update packages in repo-main or only Dilyn Corner will do that ?
2021-02-24T04:25:56 #kisslinux <acheam> I think only dilyn does that know, but someone else (likely you) will be added there for redundancy
2021-02-24T04:26:02 #kisslinux <acheam> s/know/now
2021-02-24T04:26:03 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> I think only dilyn does that now, but someone else (likely you) will be added there for redundancy
2021-02-24T04:26:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ah
2021-02-24T04:27:01 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Someone will be there for when I die and you don't want to wait for me to come back to life
2021-02-24T04:27:27 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Or if I go on vacation for two weeks and abandon my laptop to spend time with my girlfriend and something horrible happens :v
2021-02-24T04:27:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw there's a few people outside the org who have access to repo-community rn
2021-02-24T04:29:53 #kisslinux <acheam> I just removed them
2021-02-24T04:30:04 #kisslinux <acheam> they can send PRs :)
2021-02-24T04:30:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cool
2021-02-24T04:30:39 #kisslinux <acheam> that leaves the question of who remains in the GH org
2021-02-24T04:31:02 #kisslinux <acheam> micr0/jedhan hasn't been involved in kiss-community in some time, but he did start it
2021-02-24T04:31:24 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl was added just for freenode verification, not sure if he can be removed now
2021-02-24T04:31:36 #kisslinux <acheam> and then theres me and testuser_[m]
2021-02-24T04:31:49 #kisslinux <acheam> who I think are fine to keep
2021-02-24T04:31:58 #kisslinux <acheam> (but i'm biased)
2021-02-24T04:32:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> i was just about say, bit biased hey
2021-02-24T04:32:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-24T04:32:24 #kisslinux <acheam> I can't help it!
2021-02-24T04:36:06 #kisslinux <acheam> oh man, it feels good that #97 is finally closed
2021-02-24T04:37:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> on an unrelated note, I've just been reminded of how horrible glibc is... Static runit with musl is barely under 500kb while glibc is 6mb+
2021-02-24T04:37:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> ohgod
2021-02-24T04:38:18 #kisslinux <acheam> oh man
2021-02-24T04:42:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and a ton of shit statically linked against glibc isnt even static cuz "bla bla functions needs shared libs from glibc at runtime"
2021-02-24T04:44:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> musl really is the more efficient option
2021-02-24T04:44:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nvidia moment
2021-02-24T04:45:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> (prop hardware not included)
2021-02-24T04:45:06 #kisslinux <acheam> what about ulibc?
2021-02-24T04:45:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> isnt that dead
2021-02-24T04:45:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-02-24T04:45:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> uclibc-ng is alive
2021-02-24T04:46:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> 1.0.37 (Codename Dom Kölsch) released 26.12.2020.
2021-02-24T04:46:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lets see
2021-02-24T04:46:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I've also heard good things about dietlibc
2021-02-24T04:47:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> i was not aware of the ulibc fork
2021-02-24T04:48:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> libc (plan9) is also pretty light, but idk if itd be worth chucking onto a linux box
2021-02-24T04:59:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> tho it is in 9base /shrug
2021-02-24T05:04:10 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Hey, I used to use KISS and was just curious how it was now adays?
2021-02-24T05:04:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It's going great, but without dylan :(
2021-02-24T05:05:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-24T05:05:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> (see kiss-community on gh)
2021-02-24T05:05:02 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yeah I had heard dylan went MIA
2021-02-24T05:05:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> its fairing good tho yeah
2021-02-24T05:05:26 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I've been considering coming back to KISS currently on void linux
2021-02-24T05:05:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> its worth ;P
2021-02-24T05:06:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> also why tf does groff depend on perl
2021-02-24T05:06:09 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Main reason I ended up leaving was cause I maintained all my own packages
2021-02-24T05:08:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> ended up not being worth the effort then?
2021-02-24T05:09:07 #kisslinux <MueVoid> It wasn't that it wasn't worth it. It just became a large time sink when I really just needed to get crap done for school and whenever I wasn't doing school wanted to program. But I have to say I have been tempted lately
2021-02-24T05:10:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah thats deffo fair
2021-02-24T05:16:19 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Has anyone managed to get java working on kiss yet?
2021-02-24T05:16:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> not that im aware of yet nah
2021-02-24T05:17:03 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Fair
2021-02-24T05:19:38 #kisslinux <MueVoid> It's basically the only non free software I use but has anyone gotten minecraft running on kiss? Preferably natively but even in a chroot or flatpak or something?
2021-02-24T05:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the urge for brown bricks is strong in this one
2021-02-24T05:22:34 #kisslinux <acheam> chroot should definatley work, flatpaks require a bit of work and arnt in a great state on KISS at the moment, and natively requires Java
2021-02-24T05:22:40 #kisslinux <acheam> so chroot is the way to go
2021-02-24T05:23:07 #kisslinux <MueVoid> What is the preferred distro for chrooting? I used to never really do that when I used KISS
2021-02-24T05:23:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> maybe it's just me but I've never gotten oracle's packages to run properly
2021-02-24T05:23:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I hear arch is popular
2021-02-24T05:23:18 #kisslinux <acheam> arch is popular
2021-02-24T05:23:23 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-24T05:23:35 #kisslinux <acheam> so is void
2021-02-24T05:23:48 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Also I saw the new community repo but what is up with core repo?
2021-02-24T05:23:48 #kisslinux <acheam> anything that provides a rootfs is easy tbh
2021-02-24T05:23:58 #kisslinux <acheam> its in the same GH org
2021-02-24T05:24:09 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss-community/repo-main
2021-02-24T05:24:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I wish I could get a rootfs tarball for CRUX
2021-02-24T05:24:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> CRUX is omega-tier comfiness
2021-02-24T05:24:43 #kisslinux <MueVoid> found it thanks
2021-02-24T05:25:06 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Is firefox still the "official" browser
2021-02-24T05:25:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> balance between the sheer autism of KISS and the meme status of Arch
2021-02-24T05:25:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and yes
2021-02-24T05:25:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ffox is the main browser
2021-02-24T05:25:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> (I still think we should switch to Nuegia but that's just me and what do I know. not very much)
2021-02-24T05:25:51 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Never heard of it. Does it need rust?
2021-02-24T05:25:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no
2021-02-24T05:26:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's a fork of pale moon with all the stupid shit stripped out
2021-02-24T05:26:19 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Hmmmm packaged anywhere? I really dislike rust lol
2021-02-24T05:26:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's also got privacy-respecting defaults and is being optimized for increased performance
2021-02-24T05:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I have a glibc binary packaged in my repos, but haven't pushed the source build yet
2021-02-24T05:26:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> will do so in the morning
2021-02-24T05:26:51 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I am highly considering KISS....
2021-02-24T05:26:52 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Lol
2021-02-24T05:26:56 #kisslinux <MueVoid> It's been a while though
2021-02-24T05:27:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the main downside of pale meme and forks is that they require dbus and dbus-glib
2021-02-24T05:27:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it's either that or rust
2021-02-24T05:27:15 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Dbus isn't too much of an issue for me now adayas
2021-02-24T05:27:18 #kisslinux <MueVoid> adays*
2021-02-24T05:27:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and at least dbus doesn't take five millenia to bootstrap and compile
2021-02-24T05:27:30 #kisslinux <MueVoid> True
2021-02-24T05:27:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fuckin mozilla man
2021-02-24T05:27:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if I could I'd just use seamonkey
2021-02-24T05:27:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but ofc they don't support ALSA or GTK2
2021-02-24T05:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> assholes
2021-02-24T05:28:07 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Lol
2021-02-24T05:28:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> seriously
2021-02-24T05:28:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I actually really love seamonkey
2021-02-24T05:28:25 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I've never used it
2021-02-24T05:28:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's much closer to the netscape suite than firefox is
2021-02-24T05:29:10 #kisslinux <MueVoid> How it the security of Nuegia I've never really looked into the security of an old fork of firefox raises concerns for me
2021-02-24T05:29:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> basically it's a browser, realtime html editor, IRC client, mail client, usenet client, whatever, stripped to their core and bundled together
2021-02-24T05:29:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the rumors pertaining to security or lack thereof in regards to pale meme and forks is largely exaggerated
2021-02-24T05:29:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> at least in my experience
2021-02-24T05:30:21 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Hmmmm
2021-02-24T05:30:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> besides web security in general is a shitshow
2021-02-24T05:30:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you care about security, don't use the web
2021-02-24T05:30:36 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Fair enough lol
2021-02-24T05:33:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that was annoying
2021-02-24T05:33:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my client crashed
2021-02-24T05:33:11 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Lol what client?
2021-02-24T05:33:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> pidgin
2021-02-24T05:33:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> normally I don't have issues with it
2021-02-24T05:33:26 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Gotcha
2021-02-24T05:33:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it's crashed like three times in the past half hour
2021-02-24T05:33:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which is weird
2021-02-24T05:33:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway
2021-02-24T05:33:45 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I haven't used irc in a while so I'm just using the crappy freenode irc client online
2021-02-24T05:34:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you want to fuck around with it and you're willing to trust that I'm not some 1337 supar hackah who backdoors their binariesyou can grab it from https://git.sdf.org/mfavila/kiss-mfavila
2021-02-24T05:34:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> warning, my ports collection is kind of a clusterfuck right now
2021-02-24T05:35:06 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Page not found :P  XD
2021-02-24T05:35:13 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yuck it converts to emojis
2021-02-24T05:35:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> must have made a typo rip
2021-02-24T05:35:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh, wait, yeah, I did
2021-02-24T05:35:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> mfavila should be midfavila in the url
2021-02-24T05:35:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's what I get for staying up late
2021-02-24T05:35:55 #kisslinux * midfavila1 facedesks. Repeatedly.
2021-02-24T05:35:58 #kisslinux <MueVoid> gotcha lol
2021-02-24T05:36:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> should be under the testing subdir
2021-02-24T05:36:22 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Is kiss your main distro?
2021-02-24T05:36:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah
2021-02-24T05:36:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> been running it as a daily for a while now, on my workstation and my laptop
2021-02-24T05:37:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm probably gonna fork the kiss rootfs soon:tm: though
2021-02-24T05:38:07 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I used to have my own little kiss fork
2021-02-24T05:38:08 #kisslinux <MueVoid> lol
2021-02-24T05:38:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there's some stuff I want to add for legacy support and also to get the fuck rid of busybox
2021-02-24T05:38:21 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Whats wrong with busybox?
2021-02-24T05:38:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i have oldschool android rooting PTSD
2021-02-24T05:38:38 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Ah gotcha
2021-02-24T05:38:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and as a result have an irrational hatred towards bbox
2021-02-24T05:38:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> i just wanna remove busybox coz i can
2021-02-24T05:38:56 #kisslinux <MueVoid> what would u use instead toybox or sbase or something?
2021-02-24T05:39:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sbase/ubase with supplemental utils from my repo
2021-02-24T05:39:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-24T05:39:22 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Back when I was on my fork I was planning on switching to those
2021-02-24T05:39:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you'll find a pager, bench calculator, and other things to help
2021-02-24T05:39:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> amusingly, the bench calc implementation in my repo is actually what the busybox one is based on, reportedly
2021-02-24T05:39:51 #kisslinux <MueVoid> lol
2021-02-24T05:39:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> sbase goes most of the way minus sed + some posix incompatibility issues
2021-02-24T05:40:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ^
2021-02-24T05:40:10 #kisslinux <MueVoid> yeah
2021-02-24T05:40:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the only major issue I have with suckless' userspace is 1.
2021-02-24T05:40:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> their tar is absolutely garbage
2021-02-24T05:40:29 #kisslinux <MueVoid> This was my crappy old fork: https://github.com/muevoid/mue-linux
2021-02-24T05:40:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> 2. their grep doesn't work with KISS properly
2021-02-24T05:40:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> i remember geezing at mue-linux when i was fresh into linux
2021-02-24T05:40:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> 3. it builds as a single binary by default
2021-02-24T05:41:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wow lookit you muevoid
2021-02-24T05:41:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> you're like
2021-02-24T05:41:06 #kisslinux <acheam> what's wrong with single binary?
2021-02-24T05:41:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> internet famous
2021-02-24T05:41:16 #kisslinux <MueVoid> One hundred percent
2021-02-24T05:41:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> s
2021-02-24T05:41:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and there's nothing inherently wrong with it
2021-02-24T05:41:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/linux/kiss
2021-02-24T05:41:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> not linux, lmao
2021-02-24T05:41:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I just don't like the idea that a single sleep deprivation induced typo can result in my system suddenly lacking a userspace
2021-02-24T05:42:04 #kisslinux <acheam> that's... an interesting take
2021-02-24T05:42:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there have been a couple times where, in my infinite caffeine-fuelled wisdom, I've deleted busybox
2021-02-24T05:42:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> totally my fault
2021-02-24T05:42:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but also totally an issue
2021-02-24T05:42:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and totally not something I want to deal with again
2021-02-24T05:42:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and it's easier to rip out busybox than it is to fix my sleep schedule
2021-02-24T05:43:18 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yeah I've done that too ;-;
2021-02-24T05:43:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> deth to monolithic programs
2021-02-24T05:43:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no, wait
2021-02-24T05:43:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> megadeth
2021-02-24T05:43:47 #kisslinux <MueVoid> lol
2021-02-24T05:44:00 #kisslinux <MueVoid> what do you use as your text editor? My guess is vim or emacs or something but curious
2021-02-24T05:44:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> tine
2021-02-24T05:44:16 #kisslinux <MueVoid> hmmm
2021-02-24T05:44:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> or ed
2021-02-24T05:44:20 #kisslinux <MueVoid> ed lol
2021-02-24T05:44:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm serious
2021-02-24T05:44:25 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I tried using it once
2021-02-24T05:44:27 #kisslinux <MueVoid> No I know
2021-02-24T05:44:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i actually prefer ed over vi/m
2021-02-24T05:44:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and vastly prefer it over emacs
2021-02-24T05:44:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but tine is better than ed
2021-02-24T05:45:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> https://github.com/deadpixi/tine
2021-02-24T05:45:06 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yeah I don't like emacs I tried it for a while
2021-02-24T05:45:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also the url for the repo is easy to remember
2021-02-24T05:45:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> mtm by the same dude is also v based and memepilled
2021-02-24T05:45:41 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Do you use it for actual programming or just quick edits to build files and configs and such
2021-02-24T05:45:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> terminal multiplexer with a whopping like
2021-02-24T05:45:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> eight commands
2021-02-24T05:45:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and no, I use it for programming
2021-02-24T05:46:02 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I can't imagine not using vim for programming ;-;
2021-02-24T05:46:08 #kisslinux <MueVoid> or at least vi
2021-02-24T05:46:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's why I don't like vim
2021-02-24T05:46:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> developing a dependence on specific tools is a Bad Thing in my opinion
2021-02-24T05:46:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> at least, if it's heavily customized and non-standard
2021-02-24T05:46:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like most vim configs, blech
2021-02-24T05:46:47 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I agree but vim is so popular almost any other text editor supports modal text editing
2021-02-24T05:46:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lmao
2021-02-24T05:47:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nano is more popular I bet
2021-02-24T05:47:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> everyone thinks vi is like, *the* editor
2021-02-24T05:47:17 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yeah but no denying vim is also popular
2021-02-24T05:47:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it's not even
2021-02-24T05:47:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's just an ed derivative
2021-02-24T05:48:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also fwiw I think the vi implementation of modal editing is absolutely awful
2021-02-24T05:48:36 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I don't see how you can say it's not popular lol just because it is a derivative of something else doesn't mean it can't be popular
2021-02-24T05:48:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm not saying it's not popular
2021-02-24T05:48:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm saying that that's a stupid and irrelevant fact
2021-02-24T05:49:11 #kisslinux <MueVoid> https://github.com/mawww/kakoune
2021-02-24T05:49:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if everything was decided based on popularity we'd all be using discord and windows rn
2021-02-24T05:49:19 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I like kakoune a lot
2021-02-24T05:49:21 #kisslinux <MueVoid> for a modal editor
2021-02-24T05:49:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> honestly I kind of dig emacs' command chords
2021-02-24T05:49:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but they're too complex
2021-02-24T05:49:56 #kisslinux <MueVoid> pinky = dead
2021-02-24T05:50:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and modal editing outside of ed/ex is clunky
2021-02-24T05:50:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also
2021-02-24T05:50:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> literally just rebind the ctrl key to caps lock
2021-02-24T05:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway tine has shortcuts to hell and back, no cringe modal editing, and an integrated command language as well as piping files to external progs for special processing
2021-02-24T05:50:59 #kisslinux <MueVoid> fair, at the end of the day it is just opinions though. I don't think any text editor is particularly bad just personal preference on what one enjoys using
2021-02-24T05:51:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and it's like 73kb
2021-02-24T05:51:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> for sure
2021-02-24T05:51:33 #kisslinux <MueVoid> And to be fair I have never really tried using ed or anything
2021-02-24T05:51:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's one of those things where you need the manual open for the first little bit
2021-02-24T05:52:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but after like fifteen minutes you know basically everything you need in order to do basic shit
2021-02-24T05:52:01 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Can't u not see the whole document while you write?
2021-02-24T05:52:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not under normal circumstances
2021-02-24T05:52:27 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Thought so
2021-02-24T05:52:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but if you want to print out the current buffer, you just exit from input mode by typing .
2021-02-24T05:52:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and then 1,$p
2021-02-24T05:52:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> replace 1 and $ with whatever lines you want to display
2021-02-24T05:52:54 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yeah fair
2021-02-24T05:52:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and it will print that range of lines
2021-02-24T05:53:04 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I personally am comfy in my vim environment lol
2021-02-24T05:53:24 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs
2021-02-24T05:53:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> vim takes too long to use over ssh on my dialup smh
2021-02-24T05:53:58 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Fair enough lol I never use ssh really
2021-02-24T05:55:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i tried using the heirloom tools for a while but a lot of them fail to build now
2021-02-24T05:55:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> what with being literally half a century old and all
2021-02-24T05:56:22 #kisslinux <MueVoid> regardless if I switch to kiss or not I really need to clean up my ~ folder
2021-02-24T05:56:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i try to keep my home relatively tidy
2021-02-24T05:56:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> usually it's under 25 items
2021-02-24T05:57:06 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I try to and I get it decent then it gets cluttered again lol
2021-02-24T05:57:16 #kisslinux <MueVoid> 53 rn ;-;
2021-02-24T05:57:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i could probably knock my filecount down to around ten with some creativity
2021-02-24T05:57:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but that would require editing source code and actually reading the manual
2021-02-24T05:57:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and that's like
2021-02-24T05:58:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> effort, man
2021-02-24T05:58:18 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I forgot another reason I switched away from switch being able to crosscompile easily lol
2021-02-24T05:58:27 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I could never get mingw to build on kiss for some reason
2021-02-24T05:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if you want to use multiple distros with conflicting ideas, use bedrock linux
2021-02-24T05:58:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's the megaman of linux distros
2021-02-24T05:58:59 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I've thought about it lol but it seems messy
2021-02-24T05:59:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh it's extremely messy
2021-02-24T05:59:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hilariously so
2021-02-24T05:59:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but it does work
2021-02-24T05:59:40 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Fair lol
2021-02-24T06:01:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> totally unrelated but do any of you guys know a good way to like
2021-02-24T06:02:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> drop out of college
2021-02-24T06:02:11 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Lol why drop out?
2021-02-24T06:02:23 #kisslinux <MueVoid> What is your major if you don't mind me asking
2021-02-24T06:02:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because my classes are a complete waste of my time
2021-02-24T06:02:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I'm studying systems administration and computer security
2021-02-24T06:02:58 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I'm still in high school lol but I plan on going to college for computer science
2021-02-24T06:03:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i wanted to go to uni for c. science but didn't have the credits
2021-02-24T06:03:32 #kisslinux <MueVoid> that sucks
2021-02-24T06:03:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> meh
2021-02-24T06:03:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the more I experience so called "higher education" the less interested I am in it
2021-02-24T06:04:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> total sham
2021-02-24T06:04:16 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Unfortunately for most programming jobs you need at least a bachelors
2021-02-24T06:04:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> why would I want to work as a java codelet lmao
2021-02-24T06:04:35 #kisslinux <MueVoid> True lol
2021-02-24T06:05:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> pay is meh compared to most stem stuff and you have to deal with bullshit deadlines, stupid managers and the hipster technique of the week
2021-02-24T06:05:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> get ready for your dockerized scrum agile cloud saas sprints
2021-02-24T06:05:26 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yeah that's true
2021-02-24T06:05:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gotta Synergize:tm: to maximize profit
2021-02-24T06:06:45 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Well imma head off cya
2021-02-24T06:07:03 #kisslinux * midfavila1 waves
2021-02-24T06:07:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> See you, space cowboy
2021-02-24T07:23:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> midfavila: what set of  coreutils were you using ?
2021-02-24T07:24:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/were/are
2021-02-24T07:24:06 #kisslinux <kissbot> <testuser_[m]> midfavila: what set of  coreutils are you using ?
2021-02-24T08:38:16 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I was reading dylins post on reddit, and his website, and I couldnt help but notice, he sortoff stated he know what actually found out what happened to dylan. Did you really figure it out after all?
2021-02-24T08:46:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> he's either dropped technology altogether or been kidnapped by gnome devs
2021-02-24T09:27:50 #kisslinux <sad_plan> DylinCorner[m]: could you add a key to the main repo, so one can enable signature verification? Or should we just continue to use dylans key?
2021-02-24T09:29:31 #kisslinux <travankor> sad_plan: i saw that too
2021-02-24T09:30:04 #kisslinux <travankor> but no one's said anything on irc yet
2021-02-24T09:30:26 #kisslinux <travankor> is there a(nother) private list for kiss?
2021-02-24T09:33:05 #kisslinux <travankor> btw is anyone still using eiwd?
2021-02-24T09:40:04 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I just thought of it, so i figure id ask.
2021-02-24T09:40:08 #kisslinux <sad_plan> List of what?
2021-02-24T09:40:16 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Im using eiwf
2021-02-24T09:40:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> s/eiwf/eiwd
2021-02-24T09:40:30 #kisslinux <kissbot> <sad_plan> Im using eiwd
2021-02-24T10:01:36 #kisslinux <travankor> mailing list
2021-02-24T10:03:24 #kisslinux <travankor> are you eiwd 1.6?
2021-02-24T10:04:14 #kisslinux <travankor> i wanted to update it but i don't understand how dylan de-dbused iwd
2021-02-24T10:58:46 #kisslinux <sad_plan> If thats latest, then yes. Im not on my laptop atm, so cant check.
2021-02-24T10:58:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> fuuuuuuuck i mistyped and deleted my kiss musl subvolume which had all the binaries and stuff
2021-02-24T10:59:05 #kisslinux <sad_plan> F
2021-02-24T11:00:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gotta wait for repo-bin now, not compiling llvm, rust and all that cruft again :(
2021-02-24T11:01:54 #kisslinux <travankor> repo-bin is a thing?
2021-02-24T11:03:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it's yet to be set up
2021-02-24T11:03:40 #kisslinux <travankor> who's setting it up tho
2021-02-24T11:04:26 #kisslinux <kyao> how do you trust these binarys?
2021-02-24T11:05:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam is, binaries will be built via CI
2021-02-24T11:05:13 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I belive its acheam.
2021-02-24T11:06:01 #kisslinux <travankor> thanks
2021-02-24T11:12:05 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Does seatd from the community repo give anyone else a checksum mismatch?
2021-02-24T11:12:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ye
2021-02-24T11:12:48 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Ok, not just me then.
2021-02-24T11:13:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its dylan's package so you'll have to tell dylin to bump the checksums
2021-02-24T11:17:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <acheam> [05:44:56] I've also heard good things about dietlibc  --- read https://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
2021-02-24T11:17:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, palemoon builds fine for me without dbus
2021-02-24T11:22:18 #kisslinux <travankor> palememe
2021-02-24T11:22:34 #kisslinux <travankor> (sorry couldn't resist)
2021-02-24T12:21:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> acheam: testuser_[m]: E5ten: DilynCorner[m]: midfavila1: mcpcpc[m]: You all should be able to request kisslinux/* cloaks now in #freenode, if you wish. Apologies for the individual pings.
2021-02-24T13:09:40 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> sad_plan: I didn't mean to imply I know what happened; I have no clue :(
2021-02-24T13:11:53 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Strange that my commits to main and community weren't signed... They were legit I promise
2021-02-24T13:11:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Fixed seatd
2021-02-24T13:22:55 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Sh4rm4^bnv: holy shit dietlibc was small in comparisson
2021-02-24T13:30:04 #kisslinux <sad_plan> s/Sh4rm4^bnv/sh4rm4^bnc
2021-02-24T13:30:06 #kisslinux <kissbot> <sad_plan> sh4rm4^bnc: holy shit dietlibc was small in comparisson
2021-02-24T13:38:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> musl is 🅱️ loat confirmed
2021-02-24T13:44:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Somebody fork KISS
2021-02-24T13:44:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Correct our mistakes :'(
2021-02-24T13:56:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan> You have to fix this dylin :o
2021-02-24T13:57:27 #kisslinux <sad_plan> But in all seruousness, could you add a new key for us to use for enabling signature verification on repo-main? Like dylan did with his
2021-02-24T13:58:07 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ah, yes
2021-02-24T13:59:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> how dumb of an idea would it be to statically link zlib everywhere ?
2021-02-24T14:01:17 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Great!
2021-02-24T14:05:22 #kisslinux <kyao> DilynCorner[m]: whats your thoughts on that everyone can bump/fix packages in community instead of just/waiting for the maintainer?
2021-02-24T14:06:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Statically link everything everywhere obviously
2021-02-24T14:07:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> kyao: I don't want people to submit PRs for bumps on packages they don't maintain 'too don't, otherwise it defeats the purpose of maintainers
2021-02-24T14:07:40 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I like maintainers because it gives us a single person who's responsible
2021-02-24T14:08:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> skipping the wait for the maintainer only makes sense if they've been gone for a long time, else itll create confusion
2021-02-24T14:08:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> But I'd like to be more strict about timely updates for sure; if you show you have contacted the maintainer and they haven't responded, I'd be fine with a PR
2021-02-24T14:08:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Exactly. Good faith efforts to remind people before bumping their packages is the way to go
2021-02-24T14:09:58 #kisslinux <kyao> DilynCorner[m]: yeah sounds fair, maybe we should have a rule on that or something.. like if the maintainer didnt respond/updated for some days
2021-02-24T14:10:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Precisely. I'll make that clear soon enough
2021-02-24T14:10:53 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> There will probably be a penalty of some sort for repeated delinquency, but I don't want it to be draconian - unsure on this as of yet
2021-02-24T14:11:54 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Dylan didn't seem to have a hard and fast rule on this but I think two version bumps missed is a good way to go for most packages, but I'm not sure atm
2021-02-24T14:45:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Time between releases can take months, why shouldnt we strive to have latest mostly all the time?
2021-02-24T14:50:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i think that's a good goal, just a little leeway for the maintainers in case they're not able to immediately address a new version
2021-02-24T14:51:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ^
2021-02-24T14:51:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the "two version bumps" line would probably need to be on a package-by-package basis instead of a global rule since some move a lot quicker than others
2021-02-24T14:56:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Of course we always want the latest stable and safe packages, but the leeway ominous mentioned is key. Nobody is always around all the time, constantly checking. It would only bother me if it became a regular thing
2021-02-24T14:57:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> And yeah my 2-version-bumps statement is not intended to be a blanket rule - I have some rust packages that seem to update daily for instance. Very annoying
2021-02-24T14:58:17 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Sounds resonable
2021-02-24T15:00:11 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I try to be reasonable :v
2021-02-24T15:10:10 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Why is the mit pgp server down every time I try to use it smh
2021-02-24T15:23:48 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks kissbot
2021-02-24T15:23:50 #kisslinux <acheam> oops
2021-02-24T15:24:00 #kisslinux <acheam> meant to mention kiedtl
2021-02-24T15:24:07 #kisslinux <acheam> same thing
2021-02-24T17:57:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> does anyone have a fix for building x264 on a shell that isn't busybox ash ?
2021-02-24T17:58:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the configure script breaks with unexpected ")" on ksh
2021-02-24T18:02:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hm
2021-02-24T18:08:23 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I had an issue with x264 and okay but it was related to a failed include, not an unexpected )
2021-02-24T18:08:29 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Never did figure that out
2021-02-24T18:08:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i get both
2021-02-24T18:08:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> one header not found and some unexpected character
2021-02-24T18:15:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I didn't notice the ")" error at first too
2021-02-24T18:15:35 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Oh I see it now
2021-02-24T18:15:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You could always disable opencl :v
2021-02-24T18:15:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'll investigate a fix. Issue persists in their git repo too smh
2021-02-24T18:24:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> shellcheck seems to complain about a missing "!" somewhere so that might be related
2021-02-24T18:27:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Unsurprising considering their shebang is bash >.<
2021-02-24T19:41:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sh4rm4^bnc dbus and dbus-glib are runtime deps
2021-02-24T19:41:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> specified on the pale moon developer page
2021-02-24T19:41:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also good morning everyone
2021-02-24T19:44:30 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> sad_plan: added my public key to the main repo
2021-02-24T20:09:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiedtl0 re: cloaks
2021-02-24T20:09:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> How does one go about this? Sorry if it's a stupid question, but outside of asking for a standard cloak like a year ago I haven't looked into it much.
2021-02-24T20:26:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> I'd just ask in #freenode when the spam storm's over. "o hai i can has pls kiss linus cloak ?" Something like that.
2021-02-24T20:26:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> acheam:
2021-02-24T20:26:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair enough.
2021-02-24T20:27:10 #kisslinux <acheam> okay!
2021-02-24T20:27:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> I mean, that's what I see everyone else doing. If there's another channel for cloak requests I don't know about it :-)
2021-02-24T20:27:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> s/channel/method/
2021-02-24T20:27:30 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl0> I mean, that's what I see everyone else doing. If there's another method for cloak requests I don't know about it :-)
2021-02-24T20:28:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I think its just #freenode
2021-02-24T20:29:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> ok
2021-02-24T21:55:14 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0:  no song of the day?
2021-02-24T21:56:08 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BqaKBslbvZI
2021-02-24T21:56:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Been on repeat for the last six years ngl
2021-02-24T21:56:51 #kisslinux <acheam> can I petition for song of the day links to be not youtube?
2021-02-24T21:58:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> f
2021-02-24T21:58:34 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> But youtube is bae
2021-02-24T21:59:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> just use an invidious mirror smh
2021-02-24T21:59:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'm a rebel
2021-02-24T22:08:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> acheam: uhh honestly I don't feel up to selecting a sotd
2021-02-24T22:09:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> acheam: feel free to select a sotd in conjunction with dilyn
2021-02-24T22:13:10 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl0: why do you keep toggling your op status?
2021-02-24T22:13:23 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks for the op :)
2021-02-24T22:13:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> I dunno, just don't see the need for op status unless I'm doing something
2021-02-24T22:13:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> following in the footsteps of dylan, I guess
2021-02-24T22:14:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> or maybe I'm just being corrupted by the #lobsters ops
2021-02-24T22:37:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> For those of you who have a multi-head setup, do you angle your auxiliary displays inward? I'm fiddling with the positioning of mine to try and get the best configuration, not sure if I should angle or keep them straight across
2021-02-24T22:40:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> As long as the colors aren't distorted I don't mind either way. So in the office they're angled xD
2021-02-24T22:40:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> At home they are also angled but they're angled depending on where I'm sitting (L shaped desk)
2021-02-24T22:41:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair. My monitors have some pretty extreme viewing angles so that's not something I'm terribly concerned about, but for ergonomic reasons I like to have all three displays set up in such a way that I can see everything at once
2021-02-24T22:42:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> super first world problem, but otherwise I have to scan my eyes across a lot and it ends up aching pretty badly after twelve or so hours
2021-02-24T22:43:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> 100
2021-02-24T22:43:26 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Bad posture is silently killing us
2021-02-24T22:43:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...I mean, unironically yes
2021-02-24T22:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ergonomics are important - w-
2021-02-24T22:44:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm no expert, but I at least try to keep everything centered with my torso
2021-02-24T22:45:56 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Your eyes should be roughly inline with the top part of the screen, your feet flat on the floor
2021-02-24T22:46:17 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I know this and yet I consistently end up sitting in my chair in a U shape
2021-02-24T22:46:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mm. I've been bad for that as of late
2021-02-24T22:47:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> Normally I have my secondary and tertiary displays at a fairly steep angle so I end up leaning to one side or the other without realizing
2021-02-24T22:48:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wish I could get smaller monitors with the same resolution, but alas, nobody makes 15" displays any more for monitors. Not that I'm aware of anyway
2021-02-24T22:48:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ew
2021-02-24T22:48:41 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> 27" or bust
2021-02-24T22:48:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> gross
2021-02-24T22:48:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> :o
2021-02-24T22:49:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's like, a small television
2021-02-24T22:49:05 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mute this mang
2021-02-24T22:49:15 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> My small television is 55"
2021-02-24T22:49:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You're being cancelled
2021-02-24T22:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> What happened to no restrictions on speech? >:V
2021-02-24T22:49:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> such oppression from this tyrant
2021-02-24T22:49:41 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'll restrict my foot in your ass >=|
2021-02-24T22:49:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> please uwu
2021-02-24T22:49:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-24T22:50:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> For real though
2021-02-24T22:50:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used to use a 12" CRT and some smaller displays so I'm used to that
2021-02-24T22:50:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I haven't used a 15" screen since it was a huge crt in my childhood living room...
2021-02-24T22:50:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Could never go back
2021-02-24T22:50:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> And then I jumped to 21.5" flatscreens and it's like
2021-02-24T22:50:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck these are huge
2021-02-24T22:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly it wouldn't be as much of a problem if my desk was centered
2021-02-24T22:51:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's a set of filing cabinets built into the left-hand side so
2021-02-24T22:51:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> nice desk though. hand-made, solid oak
2021-02-24T22:51:47 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mmm quality
2021-02-24T22:51:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah. I got it from an older couple for cheap
2021-02-24T22:51:56 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mines particleboard because I'm trash
2021-02-24T22:52:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> 25$ for the desk and the hutch to go with it
2021-02-24T22:52:16 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Damn!
2021-02-24T22:52:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> Gonna disassemble the hutch and use the boards to make some shelves this summer
2021-02-24T22:52:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> Probably sand and revarnish the desk
2021-02-24T22:53:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm also considering rebuilding one of the cabinets because part of the front fell off
2021-02-24T22:53:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> that year of high school woodshop is unironically one of the most useful classes I've ever taken
2021-02-24T22:54:03 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Wood work is wonderful
2021-02-24T22:54:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mhm.
2021-02-24T22:54:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't stand modern furniture
2021-02-24T22:54:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's so... hrm.
2021-02-24T22:54:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> Garbage.
2021-02-24T22:54:46 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-24T22:54:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Seriously!
2021-02-24T22:54:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nothing is made to last or be fixed
2021-02-24T22:54:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> You called my whole Apartment trash
2021-02-24T22:55:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's okay my apartment is trash too
2021-02-24T22:55:10 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-24T22:55:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least it's trash where I don't pay for utilities
2021-02-24T22:55:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> But yeah, I tend to buy most of my equipment second-hand and refurb it
2021-02-24T22:55:51 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Value
2021-02-24T22:56:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> That's The way to go
2021-02-24T22:56:23 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Reduce, reuse, recycle
2021-02-24T22:57:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, I dunno if I'd say that's what guides my decisions primarily, but it's definitely a part of it
2021-02-24T22:57:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I just hate consumerism with a passion
2021-02-24T22:57:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> But, I suppose consumerism is the root of the problem when it comes to the amount of trash that ends up being produced.
2021-02-24T22:58:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, shit, prime example
2021-02-24T22:58:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> my trackball and keyboard are both from the mid-80s and work as good as when they were new
2021-02-24T22:58:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't think of a standard keyboard and mouse from today that would work fifty years from now
2021-02-24T22:59:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, forty-ish, but who's counting
2021-02-24T23:09:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you turn one of your monitors sideways so there's more vertical space?  one of my coworkers used to do that
2021-02-24T23:09:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I actually have two of my monitors vertical
2021-02-24T23:10:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Ultimately the orientation doesn't matter as much since they're 4:3 monitors
2021-02-24T23:11:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> i used to do that but i dont have decent rotating monitors so it was always a hack job physically
2021-02-24T23:11:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ah ok, yeah i was thinking more along the lines of the rectangular ones
2021-02-24T23:11:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mine don't turn and i can't be arsed to get new ones
2021-02-24T23:12:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mine are old video production displays so they've got pretty nice base stands
2021-02-24T23:12:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Stupid heavy though
2021-02-24T23:12:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> i just physically rotated one of mine and positioned it against something lmao
2021-02-24T23:12:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i got a wide monitor now tho so im not too fussed about vertical space
2021-02-24T23:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> I bought a set of kensington 60106s which are rated for 20lb monitors, and mine are 16lbs, but ofc it doesn't hold it properly
2021-02-24T23:13:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> jaysus
2021-02-24T23:13:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I don't have the right wrench to adjust the tension of the brace bolt
2021-02-24T23:13:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> christ i dislike installing TeX
2021-02-24T23:13:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> use based mandoc
2021-02-24T23:14:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> unfortunately journals dont support *roff and im not writing man pages :P
2021-02-24T23:15:30 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-02-24T23:15:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> its mostly that its just really fucken long
2021-02-24T23:16:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> >18 hours ETA
2021-02-24T23:16:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeesh
2021-02-24T23:16:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> Still not as bad as the one time I tried compiling Qt5
2021-02-24T23:16:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Never. Again.
2021-02-24T23:17:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah im gonna have to go through the qt5 rigamarole soon
2021-02-24T23:17:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> had to do a fresh install coz i fucked my gcc up and couldnt chroot fix it
2021-02-24T23:17:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm at the point where I'd literally rather learn C and write replacement programs for stuff in Xaw
2021-02-24T23:17:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> so now i need to build all my research needed packages again...
2021-02-24T23:17:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> GTK3/4 and Qt5/6 are both bullshit
2021-02-24T23:17:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> and STLWRT is stalling
2021-02-24T23:18:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> im pre close to porting my python codes to C and running everything thru gnuplot
2021-02-24T23:18:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nice
2021-02-24T23:18:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> i just need to figure out the gnu science library so i can do interpolations
2021-02-24T23:19:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> numpy and scipy have interpolations, although they're pretty heavy-weight packages
2021-02-24T23:19:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh yeah i mean for C, i use numpy/scipy for python
2021-02-24T23:20:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh d'oh, gotcha
2021-02-24T23:20:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i misread and thought it was the opposite direction
2021-02-24T23:20:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to do more programming work...
2021-02-24T23:20:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> all good lol
2021-02-24T23:21:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> have you thought of a mini project yet midfavila ?
2021-02-24T23:22:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, I've done some tinkering on a shell interpreter and messed with a few different libraries, but my "mini projects" always end up being way too ambitious
2021-02-24T23:22:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'd like to make an implementation of my favorite text editor using Xaw, for example
2021-02-24T23:23:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> It's a tiny program, and not very complex, but it's moreso of a confidence thing. As weird as that sounds.
2021-02-24T23:23:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> makes total sense, and it'd be something you'd use a lot i would bet
2021-02-24T23:24:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Absolutely.
2021-02-24T23:24:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> There are some extensions I want to make to the editor anyway, to make it more suitable to my workflow
2021-02-24T23:24:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> Working name is Extine
2021-02-24T23:25:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> cool name!
2021-02-24T23:25:26 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-02-24T23:25:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> Extended X Athena Widgets TINE Is Not ED was a bit of a mouthful
2021-02-24T23:25:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lmao going the GNU is not Linux route XD
2021-02-24T23:26:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Unix
2021-02-24T23:26:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, tine is already a program. based on the Amiga editor
2021-02-24T23:26:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it has some serious problems
2021-02-24T23:26:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> like only being able to bind ten functions
2021-02-24T23:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the screen refresh algorithim is really slow
2021-02-24T23:26:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> since I'll be extending it and rewriting it for Xaw... well, there you go
2021-02-24T23:30:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> anyone have experience with dbus-broker?  https://github.com/bus1/dbus-broker/wiki
2021-02-24T23:30:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> Never even heard of it
2021-02-24T23:32:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dbus is the reference implementation of D-Bus, dbus-broker is an alternative
2021-02-24T23:32:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> what makes it any better?
2021-02-24T23:34:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> its not poetteringware
2021-02-24T23:34:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just derivative poetteringware :p
2021-02-24T23:34:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-24T23:34:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd rather just not use DBus
2021-02-24T23:34:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> as it stands the only thing that needs it is Nuegia Browser
2021-02-24T23:34:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> (on my system)
2021-02-24T23:35:11 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> "You still need the dbus reference implementation installed, since it provides tools used by many applications, as well as the dbus.socket unit file" :thinking:
2021-02-24T23:35:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it appears dbus-broker still needs systemd as a launcher
2021-02-24T23:35:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow cringe
2021-02-24T23:35:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> double cringe
2021-02-24T23:35:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sigh
2021-02-24T23:35:45 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> All I really need is a replacement for dbus-launch
2021-02-24T23:36:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/bus1/dbus-broker/issues/204
2021-02-24T23:36:08 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> So I can see if KDE will work with a stub and a launcher
2021-02-24T23:36:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> use superior FVWM
2021-02-24T23:36:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> embrace 1990s technology mister ereps
2021-02-24T23:36:58 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ew
2021-02-24T23:37:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> twm is also acceptable
2021-02-24T23:37:26 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Every inch of 90s aesthetic from clothes to slang to software hurt my soul
2021-02-24T23:37:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1970s it is
2021-02-24T23:37:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> D-Bus as a message bus isn't a terrible thing.  i just don't like how the only workable implementation, dbus, forces the systemd ecosystem
2021-02-24T23:37:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> fr though FVWM is super aesthetic
2021-02-24T23:37:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> you just gotta put a little work into your config
2021-02-24T23:38:09 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> necromansy: I've been enjoying doing data analysis in go
2021-02-24T23:38:19 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I mean dbus doesn't require systemd. I am not sure why this reimplementation does
2021-02-24T23:38:25 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> "enjoying"
2021-02-24T23:38:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I gotta go put socks on
2021-02-24T23:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> my apartment is freezing for some reason
2021-02-24T23:38:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it doesn't?  i missed something then
2021-02-24T23:39:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It does not
2021-02-24T23:39:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> does it compile with musl?
2021-02-24T23:39:58 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It has support but you can turn it off at build time
2021-02-24T23:40:00 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yah
2021-02-24T23:41:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-kde/tree/master/extra/dbus
2021-02-24T23:41:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well... uh... its still poetteringware! or something dammit stop taking my rage away from me
2021-02-24T23:41:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> phoebos: what kinda data analysis?
2021-02-24T23:41:46 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ah I'm misremembering the build and thinking of something else. But either way, no systemd required
2021-02-24T23:41:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> dbus is the least egregious of poettering's sins
2021-02-24T23:41:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's... tolerable
2021-02-24T23:41:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmao
2021-02-24T23:42:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least it doesn't require systemd
2021-02-24T23:43:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://blogs.kde.org/2020/10/11/linux-desktop-shell-ipc-wayland-vs-d-bus-and-lack-agreement-when-use-them
2021-02-24T23:47:18 #kisslinux <acheam> just... don't use one :)
2021-02-24T23:47:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> real chads just use a pool of shared memory for IPC
2021-02-24T23:55:06 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> necromansy: undergrad labs, which is pretty much just curve fitting
2021-02-24T23:55:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah nice, i got a couple more requirements, needing to interact with CDF files and use some space physics libraries unfortunately
2021-02-24T23:55:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> afaik go doesnt have those supported yet
2021-02-24T23:56:20 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> yeah i had to go back to astropy  for some exoplanet transits stuff
2021-02-24T23:56:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, ive gotta use geopack for some coordinate transforms/geomag field stuff