2021-02-25T03:48:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-02-25T04:03:01 #kisslinux <acheam> good morning, testuser_[m]
2021-02-25T04:03:29 #kisslinux <acheam> are you doing virtual school?
2021-02-25T04:05:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> stopped a few days ago cuz we got exams now
2021-02-25T04:05:32 #kisslinux <acheam> good luck!
2021-02-25T04:07:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Thanks! They might get cancelled though, cuz lot of people in other schools getting the 'rona :p
2021-02-25T04:09:56 #kisslinux <acheam> that's no fun
2021-02-25T04:10:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> As much as I hate actually having to show up for classes, online testing is horrendous
2021-02-25T04:10:41 #kisslinux <acheam> they make you install spyware?
2021-02-25T04:10:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-02-25T04:10:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the worst part is that it doesn't even succeed at its intended purpose
2021-02-25T04:10:57 #kisslinux <acheam> oh its mid
2021-02-25T04:11:07 #kisslinux <acheam> thought that was testuser_[m] responding
2021-02-25T04:11:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh, you looked away from the screen for five minutes? instant fail"
2021-02-25T04:11:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> little did you know I was testuser all along
2021-02-25T04:11:27 #kisslinux <acheam> dun dun dunnnnn
2021-02-25T04:11:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone in this room is actually just me, except for you
2021-02-25T04:11:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> its true
2021-02-25T04:11:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm the BDFL now
2021-02-25T04:12:06 #kisslinux <acheam> we used to have to use exam software, but they stopped requiring it in the last few years, not sure why
2021-02-25T04:12:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it doesn't work
2021-02-25T04:12:31 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-02-25T04:12:37 #kisslinux <acheam> we found many wholes in it
2021-02-25T04:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> at the end of the day though the software is only a symptom
2021-02-25T04:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> the entire educational system is fucked
2021-02-25T04:12:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything is fucked
2021-02-25T04:12:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're all going to die
2021-02-25T04:12:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing means anything
2021-02-25T04:13:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-02-25T04:14:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Can confirm, I am midfavila
2021-02-25T04:14:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was also dylan
2021-02-25T04:14:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss has just been a huge social experiment
2021-02-25T04:14:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was just a prank
2021-02-25T04:14:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock:
2021-02-25T04:14:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i fooled everyone. and by everyone I mean acheam
2021-02-25T04:18:39 #kisslinux <acheam> don't worry, I only care about myself
2021-02-25T04:18:52 #kisslinux <acheam> nobody's existence beyond mine is relevent anyways
2021-02-25T04:19:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody else even exists
2021-02-25T04:22:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Nobody can prove the universe existed before last Thursday
2021-02-25T04:22:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I am a Last Thursdayist
2021-02-25T04:23:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something teapots
2021-02-25T04:24:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Russell was, of course, correct the whole time
2021-02-25T04:24:18 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> There is no teapot orbiting mars
2021-02-25T04:24:23 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's obviously a kettle
2021-02-25T04:25:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you sure it's not a pot
2021-02-25T04:25:15 #kisslinux <acheam> a saucepan, perhaps?
2021-02-25T04:28:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> dunno, that seems a little far-fetched to me
2021-02-25T04:30:07 #kisslinux <acheam> any more farfetched than buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo?
2021-02-25T04:30:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't you mean buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
2021-02-25T04:30:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> we have to be precise here
2021-02-25T04:31:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I said what I said AND I MEANT IT!
2021-02-25T04:31:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you know that the police police police police
2021-02-25T04:32:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that police police police police police police police police police
2021-02-25T04:32:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait I fucked that up
2021-02-25T04:32:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh well
2021-02-25T05:27:52 #kisslinux <acheam> fun thing: https://www.ioccc.org/
2021-02-25T05:33:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> https://www.ioccc.org/2020/carlini/index.html
2021-02-25T05:33:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> good lord
2021-02-25T06:11:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh my gooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
2021-02-25T06:11:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> netpbm is such a fucking PAIN to package
2021-02-25T06:11:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it has its own stupid little install format and expects you to do everything the way it wants
2021-02-25T06:23:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> things i like: standards
2021-02-25T06:24:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> things i dont like: when programs wanna do their own funky thing for installs
2021-02-25T06:24:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> in all fairness to netpbm
2021-02-25T06:24:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> it hails from an era where there really *wasn't* any standards for installing stuff
2021-02-25T06:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's prehistoric software
2021-02-25T06:24:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah fair lmao
2021-02-25T06:24:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> late 80s early 90s i think
2021-02-25T06:24:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> so not even autotools would have been around
2021-02-25T06:25:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> also unrelated but did you install netcursesw just for mtm?
2021-02-25T06:25:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why are you using such ancient software
2021-02-25T06:25:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> because xpaint relies on netpbm for manipulating images
2021-02-25T06:25:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, why would I install a package to provide a symlink, necromansy :p
2021-02-25T06:25:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> shit gp
2021-02-25T06:26:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> you just link ncurses to ncursesw and it works ezpz
2021-02-25T06:26:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> reject xpaint too then
2021-02-25T06:26:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-02-25T06:26:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> xpaint is bae
2021-02-25T06:26:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck off >:C
2021-02-25T06:26:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> good, will do, been wanting to check mtm and didn't wanna go thru adding netcursesd
2021-02-25T06:27:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/netcursed/netcursew
2021-02-25T06:27:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> xaw programs are much more efficient than their gtk and qt counterparts, besides
2021-02-25T06:27:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> theres something very aesthetic about xaw
2021-02-25T06:27:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> xaw is extremely based
2021-02-25T06:27:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is there a xaw based browser
2021-02-25T06:27:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can even swap in different implementations without having to relink or recompile programs
2021-02-25T06:27:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yes
2021-02-25T06:27:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> there were multiple
2021-02-25T06:27:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> but idk if id wanna switch to gui progs when i do 90% of my stuff in term
2021-02-25T06:27:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> including firefox :P
2021-02-25T06:28:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> NCSA Mosaic, Netscape, Arena, Chimera...
2021-02-25T06:28:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> mozilla, too
2021-02-25T06:28:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> all were built against xaw at one time
2021-02-25T06:28:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> but then once GTK showed up it killed MO/LessTif, and Xaw, to
2021-02-25T06:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> too*
2021-02-25T06:28:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> as well as xforms
2021-02-25T06:28:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...and Tk
2021-02-25T06:29:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but Xaw lives on
2021-02-25T06:29:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> and there are some p based programs for it too
2021-02-25T06:29:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> xfig is great for drafting schematics, for example
2021-02-25T06:29:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and xcalc is probably the best calculator on *NIX
2021-02-25T06:29:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, obligatory xterm/urxvt
2021-02-25T06:30:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> when I get into developing programs proper, I want to write an entire set of DE software using xaw
2021-02-25T06:30:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> soon tm
2021-02-25T06:31:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> filer, desktop manager, task manager, a (better) terminal, etc
2021-02-25T06:31:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, Soon:tm::r:
2021-02-25T06:31:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually I think GNU was going to write a Xaw-based filer and desktop manager
2021-02-25T06:31:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> GNU Teak. only time it's ever been mentioned was in an old GNU's GNUs
2021-02-25T06:32:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> "Why Teak? Because "teak makes a good desk top"."
2021-02-25T06:32:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't find any source code though
2021-02-25T06:33:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://www.gnu.org/bulletins/bull22.html
2021-02-25T06:33:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://www.gnu.org/bulletins/bull23.html
2021-02-25T06:34:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think that when I do get around to writing software, I'll probably draw a lot of inspiration from Amiga Intuition and RISCOS
2021-02-25T06:34:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> I like a lot of the UI concepts those GUIs have
2021-02-25T06:34:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> mouse focus but not raise on focus is the way forward
2021-02-25T06:36:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh mtm is noice
2021-02-25T06:36:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> it is!
2021-02-25T06:36:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> very efficient, very simple, minimal deps
2021-02-25T06:36:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> zero learning curve, too
2021-02-25T06:36:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive been using dvtm
2021-02-25T06:36:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I looked at it, but... eh
2021-02-25T06:36:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I wanted that I'd just use dwm
2021-02-25T06:37:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> well i really only switched to it coz its lighter than tmux
2021-02-25T06:37:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> that or implement tags and tiling in my FVWM setup
2021-02-25T06:37:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...tiling still needs to be done, actually
2021-02-25T06:37:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if you want efficiency, use mtm
2021-02-25T06:37:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, gonna switch to mtm :P
2021-02-25T06:37:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can recommend it wholeheartedly, as someone who's obsessively autistic about micro-optimizations
2021-02-25T06:38:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> O p t i m i z e   a l l   t h e   t h i n g s
2021-02-25T06:38:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> m a k e e v e r y t h i n g l i g h t a n d e f f i c i e n t
2021-02-25T06:38:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of light and efficient
2021-02-25T06:38:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> i wanna have a crack at writing my own fortran compiler so i can stop relying on gcc so much
2021-02-25T06:38:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've just packaged xvkbd in case anyone needs a lightweight virtual keyboard
2021-02-25T06:38:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh nice
2021-02-25T06:38:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to go through my ports collection one of these days
2021-02-25T06:39:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> and trial-by-fire everything
2021-02-25T06:39:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> from chaos we will derive stability
2021-02-25T06:40:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i also need to pull the entirety of wikipedia at some point
2021-02-25T06:40:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> hopefully they don't mind
2021-02-25T06:41:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao for what
2021-02-25T06:41:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> offline storage
2021-02-25T06:42:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I keep an SD card with all of my reference material on hand
2021-02-25T06:42:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but recently I got a fairly large one
2021-02-25T06:42:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> ooo
2021-02-25T06:42:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and having the entirety of wikipedia would be very nice in case of emergencies
2021-02-25T06:42:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> keep in mind I'm the kind of person who would bring their textbooks in a SHTF situation
2021-02-25T06:43:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...speaking of textbooks
2021-02-25T06:43:24 #kisslinux * midfavila stares at Library Genesis menacingly
2021-02-25T06:43:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to find a way to extract plaintext from PDFs
2021-02-25T06:43:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> thatd be real good
2021-02-25T06:44:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> store a copy of every textbook I'm interested in as a TeX file or something
2021-02-25T06:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> bam, library the size of your fingernail
2021-02-25T06:44:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> computers are cool as shit man
2021-02-25T06:44:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> boom
2021-02-25T06:44:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> bang
2021-02-25T06:45:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to go recompile syslinux
2021-02-25T06:47:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta reinstall it so I can update my config and enable hibernation
2021-02-25T06:49:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> glgl
2021-02-25T06:49:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I have a swapfile but I forgot to set one up on my laptop
2021-02-25T06:50:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> swap partition*
2021-02-25T06:50:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> so now I'm using a swapfile
2021-02-25T06:50:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> which i've never done before
2021-02-25T06:50:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> god I need a drink
2021-02-25T06:50:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive had to enable an extra swapfile to build FF recently
2021-02-25T06:50:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> first time too
2021-02-25T06:50:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> firefox is a goddamn mess
2021-02-25T06:50:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least it's not gfortran though
2021-02-25T06:50:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> shh
2021-02-25T06:50:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> I ran out of memory on a 32GB system when building gfortran
2021-02-25T06:50:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't you shh me
2021-02-25T06:50:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> it took less to build gfortran than FF
2021-02-25T06:51:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wonder if you could just rip the browser component out of seamonkey and use it on its own
2021-02-25T06:51:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> "Well then it'd just be firefox"
2021-02-25T06:52:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> it was, amusingly, building lapack that needed all my 8 cores, my 1G swapfile and ulimit -S
2021-02-25T06:52:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> no idea what that is
2021-02-25T06:52:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> linear algebra package
2021-02-25T06:52:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> Aah.
2021-02-25T06:52:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to get around to teaching myself algebra... shitty school never did it
2021-02-25T06:53:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> its essential for scipy, and kinda essential for a bunch of FORTRAN code
2021-02-25T08:10:39 #kisslinux <konimex> anyone have/got a way to remove obsolete sources in kiss cache dir?
2021-02-25T08:34:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> short of going into it and just rm'ing them?
2021-02-25T08:38:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you could probably write a script to delete all sources that don't have the currently installed version in their file name, but it'll have quite a lot of false positives
2021-02-25T08:39:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> not that theres really an issue with that unless you're *really* worried about bandwidth
2021-02-25T08:44:18 #kisslinux <travankor> no song of the day?
2021-02-25T09:10:38 #kisslinux <konimex> necromansy: not really bandwidth, but disk space
2021-02-25T09:10:54 #kisslinux <konimex> rm-ing them manually is, to say the least, tedious
2021-02-25T09:22:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> After many months of searching, I have discovered the ultimate fate of GNU Teak
2021-02-25T09:22:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> It was killed and replaced with GNOME. Fuckin hell
2021-02-25T09:25:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> konimex: yeah fair, id go with what testuser suggested then
2021-02-25T09:26:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> midfavila: oof, my fiance likes gnome
2021-02-25T09:26:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> it just seems so..much
2021-02-25T09:27:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> GNOME has a number of problems, the least of which is that it egregiously violates X11 standards with its client-side decorations
2021-02-25T09:27:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> GNOME 1 was nice, GNOME 2 was pretty good
2021-02-25T09:27:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> GNOME 3 is just... well.
2021-02-25T09:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Yeah
2021-02-25T09:29:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what do you think about KDE
2021-02-25T09:29:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> KDE is just as bad if not worse, for different reasons
2021-02-25T09:30:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Instability, resource hog, poor theming, uses Qt... but at least they don't have some stupid "vision"
2021-02-25T09:33:11 #kisslinux <travankor> how about motif?
2021-02-25T09:33:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> cringe and lame, but at least it's efficient and stable as fuck
2021-02-25T09:33:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the open group's licensing terms are shit
2021-02-25T09:34:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I use mwm on my slackware box
2021-02-25T09:34:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's quite nice
2021-02-25T09:35:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the only "good" toolkits (by that I mean versatile theming, stable, and relatively efficient, as well as freedom-respecting) in my opinion are GTK1/2 and the Xaw family
2021-02-25T09:35:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh and WINGs/GNUStep
2021-02-25T11:00:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what build system is preferred here ?
2021-02-25T11:00:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> autotools is gnu cruft, meson python, cmake c++
2021-02-25T11:02:51 #kisslinux <konimex> plain makefiles? I'd strike that down if the Makefile has GNU extensions though
2021-02-25T11:03:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What about larger projects though
2021-02-25T11:03:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i should've been clearer
2021-02-25T11:09:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <midfavila1>    [20:39:22] sh4rm4^bnc dbus and dbus-glib are runtime deps
2021-02-25T11:09:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> works well without
2021-02-25T11:09:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sometimes developers of a project don't even know what's really needed
2021-02-25T11:10:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> especially if they forked said project
2021-02-25T11:11:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and since dbus doesn't exist on windows, and palemoon targets windows too, there needs to be a way to turn dbus off
2021-02-25T11:12:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> testuser_[m], a makefile can handle even huge projects just fine, as can be seen looking at the linux kernel
2021-02-25T11:13:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> autotools is OK too, as long as its used sparingly: https://github.com/GregorR/autoconf-lean
2021-02-25T11:41:35 #kisslinux <travankor> djb's redo seems cool
2021-02-25T11:42:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> man all these GH issues going up against neofetch
2021-02-25T11:42:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> ppl are gonna be disappointed
2021-02-25T11:44:00 #kisslinux <travankor> plan9 mk too
2021-02-25T11:49:13 #kisslinux <travankor> tbh i hate all modern build systems
2021-02-25T11:49:25 #kisslinux <travankor> they're all varying degrees of bad
2021-02-25T11:50:17 #kisslinux <travankor> especially stuff like cargo
2021-02-25T11:53:34 #kisslinux <travankor> large projects go against the kiss philosophy
2021-02-25T11:54:12 #kisslinux <travankor> designing something to handle anticipated complexity is a design anti-pattern
2021-02-25T11:54:15 #kisslinux <travankor> imo
2021-02-25T11:55:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> idk much about patterns/anti-patterns but i know cargo is v unwieldy
2021-02-25T11:57:03 #kisslinux <travankor> "systems programming language but with npm-tier packaging"
2021-02-25T12:01:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> :vomit:
2021-02-25T12:01:43 #kisslinux <danteissaias> DilynCorner[m] when merging commits in community can you "rebase and merge" to avoid clogging the git history with merge commits as Dylan did?
2021-02-25T12:02:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> probably a good idea tbh
2021-02-25T12:02:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> :P
2021-02-25T12:40:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> hai
2021-02-25T12:41:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> heyo
2021-02-25T12:42:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-02-25T12:43:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> acheam: no sotd yet? :P
2021-02-25T12:46:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah good
2021-02-25T13:50:56 #kisslinux <acheam> I've got that URL memorized :)
2021-02-25T13:58:23 #kisslinux <kyao> who owns the k1ss.net domain?
2021-02-25T13:58:37 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:
2021-02-25T14:05:14 #kisslinux <acheam> but it goes to my server
2021-02-25T15:45:05 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'm still having trouble building firefox, and by now I have re-built my entire system, except for firefox.
2021-02-25T15:45:42 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Build log is here: http://ix.io/2QPi
2021-02-25T15:52:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I forget. Were you just trying to build it normally, or without X?
2021-02-25T15:52:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> <danteissaias "Dilyn Corner when merging commit"> Yes I can! So long as I remember
2021-02-25T15:55:19 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'm trying to build it with the --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk3-wayland, apart from that it's the same package from repo-main/extra.
2021-02-25T15:55:51 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I tried without that flag as well, using the package as-is, but didn't succeed then either, it's a bit weird.
2021-02-25T15:59:10 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> Dilyn Corner: i believe you can restrict the settings in the community repo to only rebase+merge on the master branch? that’s how I poka-yoke it on my projects =S
2021-02-25T15:59:11 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The errors imply there's still something wrong with the patch
2021-02-25T15:59:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you just need to comment out the X11 stuff in that file like in the old patch by dylan, i lost the 2 line changes in that file
2021-02-25T16:03:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> line 1217
2021-02-25T16:03:09 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I think I still have Dylan's patch.
2021-02-25T16:03:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kisslinux/repo/master/extra/firefox/patches/no-gtk2.patch
2021-02-25T16:03:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what version are you building
2021-02-25T16:04:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i was an idiot when i first updated the patch, so i was applying it fully manually instead of going through the ".rej" files. Got lost there
2021-02-25T16:05:04 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'm building firefox 86, from repo-main/extra, the new repos.
2021-02-25T16:05:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> well then those lines are missing from the new patcj
2021-02-25T16:06:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> patch
2021-02-25T16:06:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i can add those back tomorrow probably
2021-02-25T16:08:59 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Great. :)
2021-02-25T17:27:36 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Attempted to fix the patch, just need to wait and see if it builds.
2021-02-25T17:54:35 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The right click on my trackpad changed...
2021-02-25T17:54:50 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Now I have to click in exactly the bottom right corner instead of just clicking with two fingers
2021-02-25T17:54:56 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> WTH libinput why would you do this to me
2021-02-25T18:10:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that's strange, i would've imagined that would be a driver thing as opposed to libinput
2021-02-25T18:12:11 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Libinput is the only interface I have for my keyboard and trackpad
2021-02-25T18:13:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh ok, so it acts as a generic driver?
2021-02-25T18:18:13 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Generic seems too strong a word, but yeah basically
2021-02-25T18:18:15 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> xf86-input* drivers are uneccesary on wayland, the compsoitors just directly use libinput
2021-02-25T18:54:04 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Firefox built, yay.
2021-02-25T18:56:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> nice!  so the updated patch worked?
2021-02-25T18:58:38 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I modified the patch locally as advised by testuser_[m].
2021-02-25T18:59:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> woo
2021-02-25T18:59:32 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Rather, I applied the current patch to the sources and made the additional changes and made a new patch from that.
2021-02-25T18:59:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Just some new ifdefs?
2021-02-25T18:59:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> wrong channel
2021-02-25T18:59:38 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mozilla needs to get on top of this
2021-02-25T19:00:50 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Removal of two lines that should have been removed in the previous update of the patch.
2021-02-25T19:04:13 #kisslinux <soliwilos> testuser_[m] said they'd fix it tomorrow, but here is the one I used regardless: http://ix.io/2QR8
2021-02-25T19:21:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i just missed the deletion of a few lines from GLProviderWayland in the patch a few versions back
2021-02-25T19:23:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn ^
2021-02-25T21:02:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I would also like to say that I did not kill
2021-02-25T21:02:18 #kisslinux <acheam> him[
2021-02-25T21:02:25 #kisslinux <acheam> "
2021-02-25T21:02:35 #kisslinux <acheam> Exactly what someone who killed dilyn wuold say
2021-02-25T23:46:41 #kisslinux <dilynm> ix.io/2QSt
2021-02-25T23:47:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> No wonder Dylan was confused about that KISS_SU issue. It makes no sense.
2021-02-25T23:47:35 #kisslinux <dilynm> Oh no wait that's the wrong diff smh
2021-02-25T23:47:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> kek
2021-02-25T23:47:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> also man i hate paying rent
2021-02-25T23:50:16 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> damn what happened there
2021-02-25T23:50:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> KISS_SU issue?
2021-02-25T23:50:40 #kisslinux * kiedtl checks the subreddit
2021-02-25T23:52:45 #kisslinux <dilynm> If KISS_SU is unset (and you're logged in as root, I assume?), kiss errors about an invalid KISS_SU value
2021-02-25T23:53:05 #kisslinux <dilynm> The issue is from 5.0.6 to 5.1.0, Dylan replaced the || su=su with ||:
2021-02-25T23:53:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive noticed it when doing a fresh install and trying to install anything *before* the update step
2021-02-25T23:53:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> huh
2021-02-25T23:55:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hooray
2021-02-25T23:55:35 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wait what does ||: even do tho
2021-02-25T23:55:49 #kisslinux <dilynm> God these things are impossible to lookup where is my reference text smh
2021-02-25T23:57:21 #kisslinux <dilynm> 'it is used when a command is needed' uhuh. Thank you opengroup
2021-02-25T23:57:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> v useful
2021-02-25T23:57:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> v helpful
2021-02-25T23:57:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> many thank
2021-02-25T23:57:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2021-02-25T23:58:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> I mean so the obvious solution is just change it back. But why did dylan switch it
2021-02-25T23:58:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's used for if... Then... Not ||
2021-02-25T23:59:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> "I had to look up that ||: was a shorthand for forcing a command to exit successfully"
2021-02-25T23:59:43 #kisslinux <dilynm> Well it fucking don't
2021-02-25T23:59:45 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lmao
2021-02-25T23:59:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> try || true?