2021-04-06T00:00:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> people who love spelunky fucking *love* spelunky
2021-04-06T00:01:18 #kisslinux <E5ten> well yeah, if you play the best game ever made, you're gonna love the best game ever made :>)
2021-04-06T00:01:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's the only game I've ever speedrun lol, no other game is so good that I'm willing to spend my time doing that
2021-04-06T00:04:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> Similarly, no other game is so good that I'd spend over 1k hours playing it lol
2021-04-06T01:04:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn: is cmake preferred to autotools?
2021-04-06T01:04:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> not dilyn but yeah
2021-04-06T01:05:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> both are cruft tho :(
2021-04-06T01:05:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> depends on the project
2021-04-06T01:06:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance if it depends on something that requires cmake, maybe it's better to use cmake instead
2021-04-06T01:06:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> but in general there's no real preference and no hard-and-fast rule
2021-04-06T01:07:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's for this thing: https://logging.apache.org/log4cxx/latest_stable/index.html
2021-04-06T01:07:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> i think i prefer autotools here
2021-04-06T01:07:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> i wish everything could be done with basic make files :c
2021-04-06T01:08:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> partly bcs cmake takes longer to build and it makes a dodgy /usr/share/cmake/log4cxx dir
2021-04-06T01:08:41 #kisslinux <phoebos> necromansy: me too
2021-04-06T01:11:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would just use autotools
2021-04-06T01:12:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> going with it
2021-04-06T04:35:44 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: how would you feel about restructuring the wiki into more of a handbook?
2021-04-06T04:36:57 #kisslinux <acheam> see: the void linux, openbsd, frebsd, etc handbooks
2021-04-06T09:23:59 #kisslinux <tink> oh, so we finally found bri
2021-04-06T09:28:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bri?
2021-04-06T09:30:21 #kisslinux <tink> https://causal.agency/bin/bri.html
2021-04-06T09:39:19 #kisslinux <tink> Though I'll probably keep using another backlight brightness control tool (52 sloc) that I found on github
2021-04-06T11:56:22 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: I think Dilyn's what is /bin/sh question should be in the fortune file
2021-04-06T12:20:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> :(
2021-04-06T12:21:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: i don't like the void handbook
2021-04-06T12:22:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> neither
2021-04-06T12:22:23 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> but the bsds ones are great
2021-04-06T12:22:39 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> if a bit big
2021-04-06T12:22:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> would it be better to kind of work out a man page section kinda deal
2021-04-06T12:23:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> like i know thats what the wiki can be used as locally
2021-04-06T12:23:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> actually nvm
2021-04-06T12:23:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> duplicated effort, no real benefit
2021-04-06T12:25:32 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> aye
2021-04-06T12:26:02 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> although it kinda annoys me how i can't use the links in the text wiki
2021-04-06T12:26:34 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> but implementing that would be total bloat
2021-04-06T12:26:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-04-06T12:30:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would be neat if somebody did something like that
2021-04-06T12:30:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> i think that would be one benefit of restructing the local help as man page like
2021-04-06T12:31:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> host the handbook on github pages! :P
2021-04-06T12:31:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just don't have the energy to create+maintain it
2021-04-06T12:31:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> dilyn: which idea? lmoa
2021-04-06T12:31:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean both
2021-04-06T12:31:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> mostly the handbook
2021-04-06T12:31:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> if somebody made a kiss-doc pkg for community that'd be cute :v
2021-04-06T12:31:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> ofc ofc
2021-04-06T12:32:03 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> argh, miktex needs harfbuzz to be built with graphite builtin
2021-04-06T12:32:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-04-06T12:32:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> why miktex?
2021-04-06T12:32:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what's miktex
2021-04-06T12:32:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> its a tex implementation
2021-04-06T12:33:19 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> is there a better way than making a clone of freetype-harfbuzz (almost), adding graphite to depends, and adding graphite to the meson line
2021-04-06T12:33:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss-fork is the most hassle-free way
2021-04-06T12:35:40 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> it's v nice but relacing a package in main feels bad
2021-04-06T12:35:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> s/relacing/replacing/
2021-04-06T12:35:56 #kisslinux <kissbot> <phoebos[m]1> it's v nice but replacing a package in main feels bad
2021-04-06T12:42:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> I replaced every package in main :v
2021-04-06T12:43:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> you also run wayland
2021-04-06T12:43:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed! I turned the whole thing upside down
2021-04-06T12:43:33 #kisslinux <merakor2> Didn't like Dylan create a kiss-help tool for navigating the text wiki
2021-04-06T12:43:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-04-06T12:44:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-04-06T12:44:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> it just pipes the .txt files to less
2021-04-06T12:44:06 #kisslinux <merakor2> Dilyn isn't even running kiss here
2021-04-06T12:44:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> thats what i was doubling back on about
2021-04-06T12:44:12 #kisslinux <merakor2> What a shame
2021-04-06T12:44:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> I run KISS on my laptop!
2021-04-06T12:44:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> and KISS on my second partition
2021-04-06T12:44:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> but its not really as nice locally as it is online
2021-04-06T12:44:39 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> lmaoo
2021-04-06T12:44:42 #kisslinux <merakor2> Do you even know what /bin/sh is
2021-04-06T12:45:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> isn't that just a symlink to bash?
2021-04-06T12:45:10 #kisslinux <merakor2> I mean that's how texinfo was born
2021-04-06T12:45:23 #kisslinux <merakor2> Clickety clackety offline docs
2021-04-06T12:45:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> i was thinking of keeping it in the man style a la 9front/OBSD
2021-04-06T12:45:44 #kisslinux <merakor2> You mean zsh?
2021-04-06T12:45:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> hippity hoppity your webpage is my mandocy
2021-04-06T12:46:19 #kisslinux <merakor2> Mandoc documentation is the worst imo
2021-04-06T12:46:46 #kisslinux <merakor2> For me manpages have always been C/tool documentation
2021-04-06T12:46:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-04-06T12:47:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> it just happens to be an easy thing to implement
2021-04-06T12:47:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> without many extra things
2021-04-06T12:47:12 #kisslinux <merakor2> It's too inconvenient to read a distro handbook in man
2021-04-06T12:47:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> i prefer --help text or info pages personally
2021-04-06T12:47:29 #kisslinux <merakor2> I love info pages
2021-04-06T12:47:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive never used gnuinfo
2021-04-06T12:48:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> the sed info page is bae
2021-04-06T12:48:10 #kisslinux <merakor2> I find it quite useful for big documentation
2021-04-06T12:48:47 #kisslinux <merakor2> I export org to texi to info
2021-04-06T12:48:59 #kisslinux <merakor2> And a million exports well on the way
2021-04-06T12:49:47 #kisslinux <merakor2> Writing texinfo is god awful
2021-04-06T12:50:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> why cant we have a good, nice language to write big documentation with that has small but better functionality than mandocs
2021-04-06T12:51:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> we need a NEW standard! one to unify ALL standards!
2021-04-06T12:51:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> i was specifically trying to avoid saying that
2021-04-06T12:51:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-06T12:52:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> but unironically yes and gdi its annoying
2021-04-06T12:52:57 #kisslinux <merakor> Insert xkcd standards comic here
2021-04-06T12:53:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> !xkcd
2021-04-06T12:53:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> great now we have 15 standards
2021-04-06T12:54:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> i think thats why i suggested mandoc, coz its already a thing, a lot more prevalent with kiss over info
2021-04-06T12:54:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> and would probably be a little easier to parse than the online doc pages piped to less o/
2021-04-06T12:55:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> one of the best features of how we deliver docs rn is it's literally just an archive from github
2021-04-06T12:56:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> basically free to provide
2021-04-06T12:56:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah thats definitely a positive
2021-04-06T12:56:16 #kisslinux <phoebos> what do you think of patching a build file in a pre-build hook instead of forking a package
2021-04-06T12:56:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> whereas a manpage requires me to LeArN sOmEtHiNg
2021-04-06T12:56:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> we used to do that!
2021-04-06T12:56:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan dropped support because it got harry, somehow. it wasn't the most reliable
2021-04-06T12:56:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bad phoebos
2021-04-06T12:56:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you wont be able to kiss u
2021-04-06T12:56:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> not if you outsource it doesnt kek
2021-04-06T12:56:38 #kisslinux <merakor> Dylan added it, then removed that feature
2021-04-06T12:56:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah
2021-04-06T12:56:56 #kisslinux <merakor> I still have that feature though
2021-04-06T12:57:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> there's that katch extension too
2021-04-06T12:57:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> surely i could do a patch somewhere else
2021-04-06T12:57:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Sometimes I have like really small modifications, and I don't want to fork just because of that
2021-04-06T12:57:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> merakor: yeah that's what it is
2021-04-06T12:58:04 #kisslinux <phoebos> my build file could source a patched version of another build?
2021-04-06T12:58:11 #kisslinux <merakor> Dylan removed that feature after I sent him a dozen patches for that change while drunk
2021-04-06T12:58:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's great for appending things to build scripts, for instance
2021-04-06T12:58:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-04-06T12:58:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could theoretically use a hook to rewrite the entire build script I feel like
2021-04-06T12:58:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> i literally need to add one line
2021-04-06T12:59:32 #kisslinux <merakor> Use CPT :^)
2021-04-06T12:59:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive done that the hard way; modified the build script directly (gcc to add fortran) and force change when it updates
2021-04-06T12:59:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> cpt?
2021-04-06T12:59:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-06T12:59:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> coz im lazy AND dumb
2021-04-06T12:59:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> carbs!
2021-04-06T13:00:10 #kisslinux <merakor> It's the carbs packaging tools
2021-04-06T13:00:14 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh
2021-04-06T13:00:14 #kisslinux <merakor> fork of the package manager
2021-04-06T13:00:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> lmao
2021-04-06T13:00:38 #kisslinux <phoebos> i might actually just source the original build and patch it there
2021-04-06T13:00:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> cos then i don't have to bother with updates if i symlink everything else
2021-04-06T13:01:02 #kisslinux <phoebos> ugh apart from the depends
2021-04-06T13:01:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> depends is fine
2021-04-06T13:01:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> >tmp_dir/extract}: not found
2021-04-06T13:01:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> what an odd thing to get fromm kiss u
2021-04-06T13:02:58 #kisslinux <merakor> lol let me take a look for a second
2021-04-06T13:03:16 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor: it is
2021-04-06T13:03:56 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: :(
2021-04-06T13:04:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I do think that some structure would help it
2021-04-06T13:04:27 #kisslinux <acheam> especially for the install, package system, style guide, package manager pages, etc
2021-04-06T13:05:20 #kisslinux <merakor> necromansy: can you reproduce it?
2021-04-06T13:05:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah, it was during the package manager update but it did point the line out
2021-04-06T13:05:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> gimme a mo
2021-04-06T13:07:05 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh which version were you using
2021-04-06T13:08:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> moving from 5.2.6 to 5.2.7
2021-04-06T13:08:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> has something to do with the temp tar directory created
2021-04-06T13:08:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> line 1670, didnt seem to create $tmp_dir/extract properly
2021-04-06T13:09:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Do you have $KISS_TMPDIR set?
2021-04-06T13:11:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, points to $HOME/.cache/kiss/proc
2021-04-06T13:13:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> mageia's gaslighting me into thinking that gcc 10.3.0 is released :|
2021-04-06T13:13:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> what is up with these distros bumping versions independently of upstream s m h
2021-04-06T13:13:51 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, with Ataraxia as well
2021-04-06T13:14:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> merakor: not sure what the go is anyway, but the version updated sucessfully
2021-04-06T13:15:03 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, I really couldn't find any issue either
2021-04-06T13:15:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I *think* I had a similar popup (but idr), it didn't actually do anything to the build
2021-04-06T13:15:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering the warning is after everything meaningful
2021-04-06T13:15:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-04-06T13:15:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> and I've yet to see it again
2021-04-06T13:16:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> i'll make a note if i see it again
2021-04-06T13:17:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just did `kiss u` and `mpv` updated with no warnings. perhaps it has something to do with `kiss` updating itself
2021-04-06T13:18:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> nope
2021-04-06T13:18:16 #kisslinux <merakor> Why was kiss #6 PR merged I noticed it just now
2021-04-06T13:19:08 #kisslinux <merakor> Shouldn't kiss fail if a directory doesn't exist?
2021-04-06T13:19:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> so that kiss doesn't just bail on an update if a directory in KISS_PATH isn't set
2021-04-06T13:19:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> I feel like it shouldn't
2021-04-06T13:20:25 #kisslinux <merakor> Meh, I personally disagree, I think it should exit if you can't cd into a repository
2021-04-06T13:21:06 #kisslinux <merakor> At least it should warn the user, instead of silently "skipping not a repository"
2021-04-06T13:21:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> i think thats what the PR does right?
2021-04-06T13:21:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> A bigger warning may be nice
2021-04-06T13:21:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah the PR works merakor just doesn't agree that it's the accurate solution
2021-04-06T13:21:40 #kisslinux <merakor> It should say "WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING THAT'S NOT A DIRECTORY HOMIE"
2021-04-06T13:21:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-04-06T13:21:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'fix your .profile you lazy fuck'
2021-04-06T13:22:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> 'check ur shit bruz'
2021-04-06T13:22:26 #kisslinux <merakor> lol
2021-04-06T13:22:35 #kisslinux <merakor> It also gives a shellcheck error, that's why I noticed it
2021-04-06T13:22:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> well now we cant have that
2021-04-06T13:23:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> DOES IT?!
2021-04-06T13:23:04 #kisslinux <merakor> Instead of "$repo" it should be '$repo'
2021-04-06T13:23:20 #kisslinux <merakor> Because it's inside double quotes
2021-04-06T13:23:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> shaking my DAMN head
2021-04-06T13:23:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> vars dont expand in '' tho
2021-04-06T13:23:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> should just unquote
2021-04-06T13:23:45 #kisslinux <merakor> It's "like "$this""
2021-04-06T13:23:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-06T13:23:57 #kisslinux <merakor> Should be "like '$this'"
2021-04-06T13:24:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> """"foo""""
2021-04-06T13:24:12 #kisslinux <acheam> but then $this wouldn't expand right
2021-04-06T13:24:16 #kisslinux <merakor> It would
2021-04-06T13:24:27 #kisslinux <merakor> It would expand to
2021-04-06T13:24:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-06T13:24:34 #kisslinux <merakor> like 'what this is'
2021-04-06T13:24:37 #kisslinux <acheam> damn it shell
2021-04-06T13:24:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> echo -e "foo '$bar'" expands fine
2021-04-06T13:25:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan is rolling over, wherever he is
2021-04-06T13:25:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> that'smyson.gif
2021-04-06T13:25:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> we've killed cedric :'(
2021-04-06T13:25:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> what have they done to my boy?
2021-04-06T13:26:08 #kisslinux <acheam> we got mmatongo in here, next stop is cedric
2021-04-06T13:27:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah merakor. I got so used to all the other repos running shellcheck I didn't realize that repo didn't do it
2021-04-06T13:29:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: Is there a bad merge in the fortune file? one of the quotes has a "<<<<<<<HEA"
2021-04-06T13:29:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/HEA/HEAD
2021-04-06T13:29:19 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl> acheam: Is there a bad merge in the fortune file? one of the quotes has a "<<<<<<<HEAD"
2021-04-06T13:29:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> seems apt
2021-04-06T13:31:24 #kisslinux <acheam> that is very possible kissbot
2021-04-06T13:31:26 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl:
2021-04-06T13:31:41 #kisslinux <acheam> damn it my client always tab completes to kissbot
2021-04-06T13:31:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> im also getting a checksum error with fortune btw
2021-04-06T13:31:50 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-04-06T13:32:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> dont shoot the messenger
2021-04-06T13:33:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> "could it be that I am wrong?"
2021-04-06T13:33:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> "No. It is the messengers that are wrong!"
2021-04-06T13:34:00 #kisslinux <acheam> okay it should be fixed
2021-04-06T13:34:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> has anybody used KISS in a proot before?
2021-04-06T13:34:23 #kisslinux <acheam> oh crud I forgot to version bump it
2021-04-06T13:34:24 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-06T13:34:48 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn is looking for ways to get rid of KISS
2021-04-06T13:35:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> my girlfriend is using a proot of it
2021-04-06T13:35:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> but she's having a super cute bug :v
2021-04-06T13:35:09 #kisslinux <acheam> okay that should be totally good now
2021-04-06T13:35:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> >super cute
2021-04-06T13:35:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> backspace doesn't work lmfao
2021-04-06T13:35:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> nor ctrl+h
2021-04-06T13:35:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> LOL
2021-04-06T13:35:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> or arrow keys
2021-04-06T13:35:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> with... bash...
2021-04-06T13:35:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> oof
2021-04-06T13:35:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok that is cute
2021-04-06T13:35:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-04-06T13:35:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh no i had that dilyn
2021-04-06T13:35:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I told her to be perfect and stop making mistakes, but she didn't like that
2021-04-06T13:35:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> what version of bash
2021-04-06T13:35:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> 5.4p1 or w/e
2021-04-06T13:35:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> latest
2021-04-06T13:35:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> ok not the same
2021-04-06T13:36:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> i had that in 5.0
2021-04-06T13:36:04 #kisslinux <acheam> does it need to be bash?
2021-04-06T13:36:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Man my girlfriend hated Linux because of a one-time libre office didn't save her essay
2021-04-06T13:36:22 #kisslinux <merakor> lmao
2021-04-06T13:36:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-04-06T13:36:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> she's on a server from her school using RHEL
2021-04-06T13:36:48 #kisslinux <acheam> I considered quitting linux forever when yesterday nvim core dumped before I had saved
2021-04-06T13:36:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> gcc 4.8.5
2021-04-06T13:36:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> kill me
2021-04-06T13:37:10 #kisslinux <merakor> That's why I use Emacs duh
2021-04-06T13:37:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> they wont' install protobuf 3 and the cmake build system for a thing she uses doesn't document explicitly passing a particular directory for where protobuf can be found
2021-04-06T13:37:22 #kisslinux <acheam> I use both :shrug:
2021-04-06T13:37:27 #kisslinux <merakor> nvim is jankier than vim
2021-04-06T13:37:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I told her to use KISS in a proot because you can just put it in the canonical location and do zero work
2021-04-06T13:37:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> acheam: its still tossing the error on my end, even went to the effort of removing fortune and re-cloning the repo just ncase
2021-04-06T13:37:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> try vis acheam
2021-04-06T13:37:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: it needs to be bash because the script she wrote uses bash and she like's bash :vomit:
2021-04-06T13:38:00 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah it is, and now that I've started using emacs for more things, I don't use any of the nvim features really
2021-04-06T13:38:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it also happens with ash iirc
2021-04-06T13:38:05 #kisslinux <acheam> woah everyones trying to talk to me
2021-04-06T13:38:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-06T13:38:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> ya popular now
2021-04-06T13:38:17 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: i'll take a look, thanks
2021-04-06T13:38:19 #kisslinux <acheam> first time in my life
2021-04-06T13:38:20 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-06T13:38:27 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: break up
2021-04-06T13:38:31 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: sup
2021-04-06T13:38:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-04-06T13:38:35 #kisslinux <acheam> heya merakor
2021-04-06T13:38:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: she choked on her yogurt
2021-04-06T13:38:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> my fiancee is using gnome and i wanna vomit
2021-04-06T13:38:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh no miktex installed proper fonts
2021-04-06T13:38:51 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: I appreciate the troubleshooting lol
2021-04-06T13:38:53 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: good
2021-04-06T13:38:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> she did not like your suggestion
2021-04-06T13:39:01 #kisslinux <acheam> let me take a closer look, necromansy
2021-04-06T13:39:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> np dude, hope its not too bothersome
2021-04-06T13:39:12 #kisslinux <acheam> no lol this is like basic kiss packaging stuff
2021-04-06T13:39:15 #kisslinux <merakor> necromansy: definitely should have used kde duh
2021-04-06T13:39:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> now i've got font-awesome in firefox so www.github.com looks like a github logo
2021-04-06T13:39:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> maximal rice
2021-04-06T13:39:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> necromansy: make her use KISS-kde :v
2021-04-06T13:39:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe it'll work kek
2021-04-06T13:40:05 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos: that would... drive me insane
2021-04-06T13:40:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I can do ligatures... but that?
2021-04-06T13:40:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao i think she'd tell me to get fucked before shed let me mess around with KISS on her machine
2021-04-06T13:40:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> i did not mean to do that lmaoo
2021-04-06T13:40:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> i cant do ligatures
2021-04-06T13:40:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-06T13:40:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> :c
2021-04-06T13:41:10 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: https://i.imgur.com/yIFYNMk.png
2021-04-06T13:41:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> i wish foot did ligatures :(  but then I'd have to switch from cozette and that would be #sad
2021-04-06T13:41:15 #kisslinux <acheam> idk what the problem is
2021-04-06T13:41:20 #kisslinux <acheam> ligatures are awesome
2021-04-06T13:41:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> is your source a git source?
2021-04-06T13:41:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gnu's not unix network object model environment is alright
2021-04-06T13:42:27 #kisslinux <merakor> I can't even tell if this is sarcastic
2021-04-06T13:42:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> its deffo not the worst, but im barely able to muster the desire to use ncurses file manages let alone a DE
2021-04-06T13:43:01 #kisslinux <acheam> i've started using more tui things with emacs
2021-04-06T13:43:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I think you just need the right tools
2021-04-06T13:43:22 #kisslinux <acheam> previously, I never used a tui file manager, or git client or anything
2021-04-06T13:43:28 #kisslinux <merakor> Holy shit GNOME actually stands for that?
2021-04-06T13:43:33 #kisslinux <merakor> TIL
2021-04-06T13:43:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> my wife would learn how to use KISS or Linux in general... but her mom refuses to use anything but specifically Internet Explorer on Windows to check her AOL email and news
2021-04-06T13:44:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-04-06T13:44:17 #kisslinux <merakor> > AOL
2021-04-06T13:44:20 #kisslinux <merakor> say no more fam
2021-04-06T13:44:27 #kisslinux <acheam> oof
2021-04-06T13:44:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i installed ublock origin on her laptop one time and it threw her off so much that she complained and made me uninstall it
2021-04-06T13:44:45 #kisslinux <merakor> I WANT THOSE ADS
2021-04-06T13:44:52 #kisslinux <konimex> why would installing uB0 threw her off?
2021-04-06T13:45:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> my mum is an odd mix of tech savvy enough to be annoyed by boomer tech usage
2021-04-06T13:45:13 #kisslinux <merakor> necromansy: same
2021-04-06T13:45:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> because apparently the ads and popups and stuff were how she knew how to navigate through things or something
2021-04-06T13:45:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> because now the sharpie she used to mark her screen where the button to open the email is has moved because the ads stopped rendering the page differently :v
2021-04-06T13:45:31 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: ah ha, figured it out
2021-04-06T13:45:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so when all that shit stopped showing up, she couldn't handle the change i dunno
2021-04-06T13:45:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> ayyy
2021-04-06T13:45:37 #kisslinux <acheam> should be fixed now
2021-04-06T13:45:44 #kisslinux <acheam> that's what my dad says
2021-04-06T13:45:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> sweet as
2021-04-06T13:45:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah what dilyn said essentially lol
2021-04-06T13:45:50 #kisslinux <acheam> he likes being reccomended products by ads
2021-04-06T13:45:56 #kisslinux <acheam> "so he knows what to buy"
2021-04-06T13:45:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> omg
2021-04-06T13:46:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-04-06T13:46:08 #kisslinux <konimex> huh, so what would happen when one of those pop up scams appear on her tab?
2021-04-06T13:46:16 #kisslinux <merakor> ah yes consumerism
2021-04-06T13:46:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean I guess that's one use of ads
2021-04-06T13:46:34 #kisslinux <merakor> Point me to "what I need"
2021-04-06T13:46:35 #kisslinux <konimex> giving your data away for free, way to go
2021-04-06T13:46:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> she just closes them, i at least got her to stop clicking everything
2021-04-06T13:46:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> i 'member talking mum through installing steam coz she wanted to play some puzzle games
2021-04-06T13:47:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw ads start using eyetracking to determine if you looked at the ad so sights start putting all their content *inside the advertisements*
2021-04-06T13:47:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> it was not a painful experience fortunately
2021-04-06T13:47:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/sights/sites/
2021-04-06T13:47:24 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> mfw ads start using eyetracking to determine if you looked at the ad so sites start putting all their content *inside the advertisements*
2021-04-06T13:47:32 #kisslinux <konimex> man and I thought the puzzle games can be found through facebook
2021-04-06T13:47:37 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: No need to worry about eye tracking if you don't build the webcam driver into the kernel
2021-04-06T13:47:41 #kisslinux <konimex> those candy crush thing
2021-04-06T13:47:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> aaaaayyyyeeeee
2021-04-06T13:48:33 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Just wanted to mention a message kiss gave me when updating it today: "/usr/bin/kiss: line 1669: KISS_TMPDIR:=/home/alone/.cache/kiss/proc}/32235}: not found". Ran "kiss u" as a regular user with doas.
2021-04-06T13:48:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> acheam: narp same issue still
2021-04-06T13:48:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> e'eryone got one
2021-04-06T13:48:57 #kisslinux <acheam> wtf
2021-04-06T13:48:59 #kisslinux <acheam> why
2021-04-06T13:49:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> non-fatal temp-dir errors for all
2021-04-06T13:49:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> for a #reason, the } is being erroneously included
2021-04-06T13:50:12 #kisslinux <acheam> idk what the problem is necromansy
2021-04-06T13:50:32 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/PF2ar32.png
2021-04-06T13:50:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `"${tmp_dir:="${KISS_TMPDIR:="$cac_dir/proc"}/$pid"}"`
2021-04-06T13:50:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why would this add an extra }
2021-04-06T13:51:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem is in the setting of KISS_TMPDIR itself
2021-04-06T13:51:08 #kisslinux <merakor> Too many unnecessary quoting
2021-04-06T13:51:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> soliwilos did you have KISS_TMPDIR set?
2021-04-06T13:51:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok nvm i cleared my cache and it worked
2021-04-06T13:51:42 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yay
2021-04-06T13:52:01 #kisslinux <acheam> `fortune -c kiss` to just get kiss fortunes
2021-04-06T13:52:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> idiot brain hours here
2021-04-06T13:52:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah ive got it aliased to ftk
2021-04-06T13:52:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-04-06T13:52:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> this guy ftks
2021-04-06T13:52:23 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-06T13:52:37 #kisslinux <soliwilos> dilyn: No, I have not.
2021-04-06T13:52:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok real quick question, does it repeat the fortune for you?
2021-04-06T13:53:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> interesting! that's different from myself and necromansy...
2021-04-06T13:53:11 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: what do you mean?
2021-04-06T13:53:19 #kisslinux <acheam> it will sometimes repeat the same one randomly
2021-04-06T13:53:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> running fortune repeats the same one constantly
2021-04-06T13:53:40 #kisslinux <acheam> that is *not* intended behavior lol
2021-04-06T13:53:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> it wasnt doing this a few days back mind
2021-04-06T13:53:53 #kisslinux <acheam> i didn't change the script at all
2021-04-06T13:53:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe your awk is bawked
2021-04-06T13:54:00 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-04-06T13:54:04 #kisslinux <merakor> fawked
2021-04-06T13:54:05 #kisslinux <acheam> because it seeds random from date +%N
2021-04-06T13:54:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-04-06T13:54:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe his clock is fawked
2021-04-06T13:54:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> maybe
2021-04-06T13:54:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> man awk is so powerful
2021-04-06T13:54:48 #kisslinux <acheam> we have a few resident experts in it as well
2021-04-06T13:54:51 #kisslinux <acheam> (not me)
2021-04-06T13:54:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> mawnk awk iawk sawk pawkerfawkl
2021-04-06T13:55:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> its sbase date
2021-04-06T13:55:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> thats the issue
2021-04-06T13:55:20 #kisslinux <acheam> does date +%N not work?
2021-04-06T13:55:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> suckless moment
2021-04-06T13:55:37 #kisslinux <merakor> no
2021-04-06T13:55:37 #kisslinux <acheam> wait is %N not posix?
2021-04-06T13:55:52 #kisslinux <acheam> argh
2021-04-06T13:55:52 #kisslinux <merakor> nope
2021-04-06T13:56:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> ripppp
2021-04-06T13:56:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> ugh https://y.24unix.net/klz7m
2021-04-06T13:57:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-04-06T13:57:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> 1337
2021-04-06T13:57:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Bruh
2021-04-06T13:58:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> hahaha
2021-04-06T13:58:46 #kisslinux <acheam> argh is shuf not posix either
2021-04-06T13:58:56 #kisslinux <acheam> whats a good posix way of getting a random number
2021-04-06T13:58:56 #kisslinux <merakor> dev urandom
2021-04-06T13:59:06 #kisslinux <acheam> how can I make that into a number
2021-04-06T13:59:10 #kisslinux <acheam> base64 doesn't work
2021-04-06T13:59:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> | od
2021-04-06T13:59:21 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh thanks
2021-04-06T13:59:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> inb4 od isnt posix either
2021-04-06T13:59:49 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like it is so coll
2021-04-06T13:59:56 #kisslinux <merakor> It is posix
2021-04-06T13:59:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> as long as theres no flags you cant break compliance :>
2021-04-06T14:01:06 #kisslinux <acheam> argh but it needs to be a single string
2021-04-06T14:01:16 #kisslinux <acheam> od does some weird stuff with line breaks
2021-04-06T14:01:21 #kisslinux <acheam> and I don't feel like parsing it
2021-04-06T14:03:12 #kisslinux <acheam> nvm was just using it badly
2021-04-06T14:03:14 #kisslinux <merakor> Doesn't awk have srand and rand
2021-04-06T14:03:24 #kisslinux <acheam> yes but it seeds to 1 second
2021-04-06T14:03:32 #kisslinux <acheam> and that's annoying
2021-04-06T14:03:35 #kisslinux <merakor> Remove the 0.
2021-04-06T14:03:41 #kisslinux <merakor> Don't call an extra program
2021-04-06T14:03:41 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-06T14:03:57 #kisslinux <acheam> 1 second is too long
2021-04-06T14:04:18 #kisslinux <merakor> It takes 1 second to seed?
2021-04-06T14:04:22 #kisslinux <merakor> Mine doesn't
2021-04-06T14:04:25 #kisslinux <acheam> it seeds to the second
2021-04-06T14:04:37 #kisslinux <acheam> so if you rand() twice in one second it will get the same output
2021-04-06T14:04:50 #kisslinux <merakor> Ohh I see now
2021-04-06T14:05:05 #kisslinux <merakor> I didn't know that
2021-04-06T14:05:15 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-06T14:05:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> od < /dev/urandom | head -n 1 | awk '{print $3}'
2021-04-06T14:05:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> ?
2021-04-06T14:06:01 #kisslinux <acheam> i found out you can do it just with od
2021-04-06T14:06:09 #kisslinux <acheam> od -A n -t d -N 3 /dev/urandom
2021-04-06T14:06:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> heck so you can
2021-04-06T14:06:16 #kisslinux <acheam> and its all posix
2021-04-06T14:06:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> o/
2021-04-06T14:06:35 #kisslinux <acheam> o/
2021-04-06T14:06:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-04-06T14:07:14 #kisslinux <merakor> o_
2021-04-06T14:07:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> /o2021-04-06T14:07:22 #kisslinux <merakor> _o/
2021-04-06T14:08:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> (o/
2021-04-06T14:08:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> _o/
2021-04-06T14:14:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> aight now that ive sufficiently stumbled into errors in programs, imma go sleep
2021-04-06T14:19:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-04-06T14:23:45 #kisslinux <phoebos> Ok, MiKTeX is packaged (very badly) but it works!
2021-04-06T14:24:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> i now hate it
2021-04-06T14:24:18 #kisslinux <merakor> "I don't want to play with you anymore"
2021-04-06T14:24:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> bye bye
2021-04-06T14:24:42 #kisslinux <phoebos> it pretended to be minimal but i might run to texlive now
2021-04-06T14:29:05 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm not a fan of how vis doesn't have visual block
2021-04-06T14:29:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I use that literally all the time
2021-04-06T14:34:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably my most used vim feature
2021-04-06T14:34:47 #kisslinux <acheam> also no shell script syntax highlighting
2021-04-06T14:35:07 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah vis is bust for me
2021-04-06T14:35:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you gotta name it .sh
2021-04-06T14:36:01 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-04-06T14:36:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it doesnt pick up #!
2021-04-06T14:36:12 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-04-06T14:36:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's bad praxis
2021-04-06T14:36:20 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm not naming my scripts .sh
2021-04-06T14:36:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it wouldnt be too hard to hack into vis
2021-04-06T14:36:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> probably
2021-04-06T14:36:46 #kisslinux <acheam> i wonder what other simple vi-like editors there are
2021-04-06T14:36:51 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah it looks that way
2021-04-06T14:36:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> neatvi
2021-04-06T14:38:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam
2021-04-06T14:38:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/martanne/vis/issues/667
2021-04-06T14:38:44 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh thanks
2021-04-06T14:39:05 #kisslinux <acheam> neatvi may be a bit too minimal lol
2021-04-06T14:39:07 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm picky
2021-04-06T14:39:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah i found neatvi too suckless
2021-04-06T14:39:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> vis is good enough for me
2021-04-06T14:41:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> what do we feel about putting color codes in a post-install message
2021-04-06T14:41:37 #kisslinux <acheam> -hkp?
2021-04-06T14:41:50 #kisslinux <acheam> probably not a great idea for community
2021-04-06T14:41:56 #kisslinux <acheam> but for your own repos, would be fun
2021-04-06T14:42:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol miktex will never be in community
2021-04-06T14:42:54 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> hkp=“hyper keyboard pi”
2021-04-06T14:43:43 #kisslinux <acheam> as always, you're mobile :)
2021-04-06T14:44:49 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> yup. lol https://pasteboard.co/JW5plHl.jpg
2021-04-06T14:45:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> that device is traumatizing
2021-04-06T14:45:58 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> :)
2021-04-06T14:47:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> where did you get it?
2021-04-06T14:47:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> also what is it
2021-04-06T14:47:29 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> a hyper keyboard pi. lol
2021-04-06T14:47:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's an actual thing
2021-04-06T14:47:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> you didn't frankenstein it? :P
2021-04-06T14:48:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah it IS a frankenstein thing
2021-04-06T14:48:04 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> https://booth.pm/ja/items/1619212
2021-04-06T14:48:37 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> nah. too lazy.  to design one from scratch.  really isn’t much too it tho.
2021-04-06T14:49:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah looks like you just slot some stuff into other stuff
2021-04-06T14:49:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> gonna play some games? or just a fun thing to have
2021-04-06T14:50:14 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> going to mess around with SDR a bit. otherwise, just a fun thing to have
2021-04-06T14:52:35 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> i wanted a pocket linux pc for the longest time. i was on the fence with getting a pinephone. decided this was far more functional and economical in the end.
2021-04-06T14:53:22 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> plus, an excuse to do some some soldering
2021-04-06T14:53:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> plus if you've already got the pi...
2021-04-06T14:53:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta love those physical mods!
2021-04-06T14:53:46 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> yup
2021-04-06T14:58:58 #kisslinux <phoebos> vis
2021-04-06T14:59:02 #kisslinux <phoebos> oops sorry
2021-04-06T15:50:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i like phoebos's quit statement: "nyaa~"
2021-04-06T15:55:46 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm I wonder what mine is
2021-04-06T15:56:23 #kisslinux <acheam> can someone tell me what it said?
2021-04-06T15:56:32 #kisslinux <acheam> or maybe it didn't say anything because i'm on a bouncer
2021-04-06T15:57:36 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> It's empty
2021-04-06T15:58:11 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-06T15:58:16 #kisslinux <acheam> I expected more of you, catgirl
2021-04-06T16:02:14 #kisslinux <phoebos> catgirl did that automatically lol
2021-04-06T16:02:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> also i'm liking vis
2021-04-06T16:09:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-06T16:19:47 #kisslinux <acheam> stupid question about build systems:
2021-04-06T16:20:06 #kisslinux <acheam> is it possible to link against a library only if its present?
2021-04-06T16:20:12 #kisslinux <acheam> using Make that is
2021-04-06T16:20:19 #kisslinux <acheam> or do I need to use autotools or something for that
2021-04-06T16:21:01 #kisslinux <acheam> the idea is that I want to have a library be an optional dependency
2021-04-06T16:21:45 #kisslinux <phoebos> if you know where the relevant library files will be you could check if they exist
2021-04-06T16:22:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> and then conditionally add the config option
2021-04-06T16:22:54 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm I guess I could just grep ldconfig -v
2021-04-06T16:23:23 #kisslinux <acheam> but thats not posix
2021-04-06T16:24:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Ldconfig is only on gnu's not unix libc
2021-04-06T16:24:55 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-04-06T16:25:22 #kisslinux <acheam> I can't imagine that theres no way of doing this without autotools or cmake
2021-04-06T16:25:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Check output of pkgconf?
2021-04-06T16:25:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Idk how to do that in a .akefile
2021-04-06T16:27:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> can someone ping me i'm trying a notify thing
2021-04-06T16:27:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> phoebos
2021-04-06T16:27:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> phoebos
2021-04-06T16:27:59 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos:
2021-04-06T16:28:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice thanks
2021-04-06T16:28:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> ok im gonna regret asking that
2021-04-06T16:28:26 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-06T16:28:52 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm so I guess I can use the exit code of pkg-config --libs <library>
2021-04-06T16:29:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-04-06T16:29:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> And i guess you then add `-DHAS_LIBRARY` to cflags and ifdefs in code
2021-04-06T16:31:26 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-06T16:32:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What lib exactly do you need this for btw?
2021-04-06T16:32:18 #kisslinux <acheam> cmark-gfm
2021-04-06T16:32:27 #kisslinux <acheam> the github markdown library
2021-04-06T16:32:35 #kisslinux <acheam> but its. not. working.
2021-04-06T16:32:53 #kisslinux <acheam> pkg-config can't find cmark-gfm
2021-04-06T16:32:58 #kisslinux <acheam> but it can find other libraries
2021-04-06T16:33:16 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Check the name in pkgconfig file installed by cmark gfm
2021-04-06T16:33:28 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Maybe you're supposed to check for it differently
2021-04-06T16:33:37 #kisslinux <acheam> why'd you switch accounts?
2021-04-06T16:33:40 #kisslinux <acheam> will do
2021-04-06T16:34:18 #kisslinux <acheam> oh its libcmark-gfm
2021-04-06T16:34:21 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks
2021-04-06T16:34:56 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> I'm on the kde.org homeserver for some big rooms that mine can't handle, so i occasionally check my other client
2021-04-06T16:34:56 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Np
2021-04-06T16:36:03 #kisslinux <acheam> ah ha, with the --silence-erorrs option it works perfectly
2021-04-06T18:49:42 #kisslinux <acheam> https://dot.kde.org/2021/04/06/announcing-kdes-qt-5-patch-collection
2021-04-06T18:49:46 #kisslinux <acheam> hi mmatongo
2021-04-06T18:49:49 #kisslinux <acheam> https://dot.kde.org/2021/04/06/announcing-kdes-qt-5-patch-collection
2021-04-06T18:50:30 #kisslinux <acheam> better link actually: https://community.kde.org/Qt5PatchCollection
2021-04-06T18:50:32 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: ^
2021-04-06T18:50:54 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi acheam
2021-04-06T18:51:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> this fills me with unspeakable rage
2021-04-06T18:51:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> it isn't like they didn't know qt6 was coming
2021-04-06T18:51:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> port faster plebs
2021-04-06T18:51:56 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi dilyn
2021-04-06T18:52:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> hallo
2021-04-06T18:52:28 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't change the fact that gtk moves at the rate of the gnome project, Qt doesn't
2021-04-06T18:53:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> qt do what qt want
2021-04-06T18:53:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> and qt want $$$
2021-04-06T19:10:51 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh the second number in version is for when there's a fix to the build files but not an upstream update right
2021-04-06T19:11:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah
2021-04-06T19:11:52 #kisslinux <phoebos> yah that commit on main needs one of them
2021-04-06T19:12:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> which one?
2021-04-06T19:12:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> the wpa?
2021-04-06T19:13:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> yah
2021-04-06T19:13:54 #kisslinux <mmatongo> yeah
2021-04-06T19:14:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> technically any package that installs man5 or man8 pages should be rebuilt
2021-04-06T19:14:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> no?
2021-04-06T19:14:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-06T19:15:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> they don't all do that do they
2021-04-06T19:18:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> well I have no idea lmao
2021-04-06T19:18:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only doc i have in man8 is wpa but man5 has quite a few
2021-04-06T19:20:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> the manpages for wpa was asked for by a single person afaik, and they... never complained about this strange thing that has happened
2021-04-06T19:20:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> and nobody else has complained about foo not having a manpage afterwards
2021-04-06T19:20:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> thankfully wpa is the only build which uses install and globbing
2021-04-06T19:20:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> so... a nonissue from a usability side
2021-04-06T19:20:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh no wait so does firefox-privacy
2021-04-06T19:20:56 #kisslinux <phoebos> yeah it's not an issue
2021-04-06T19:21:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> kinda funny though
2021-04-06T19:21:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> very funny XD
2021-04-06T19:21:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> firefox-privacy gets away with it because it's just one file
2021-04-06T19:21:54 #kisslinux <phoebos> all the ones in community do it properly with `install -t`
2021-04-06T19:22:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> i guess the users are more diligent about their help docs
2021-04-06T19:22:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> unlike dylan lmao
2021-04-06T19:23:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> so the relver here can be bumped i'd say (to resolve the actual issue), and if anybody asks about their missing manpages the suggestion is to rebuild xD
2021-04-06T19:24:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> does anyone know if mpv uses lua for anything interesting besides youtube-dl stuff?
2021-04-06T19:24:30 #kisslinux <acheam> mpv uses lua for youtube-dl stuff?
2021-04-06T19:24:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-04-06T19:24:36 #kisslinux <acheam> why?
2021-04-06T19:24:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> who tf knows
2021-04-06T19:24:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> (:
2021-04-06T19:24:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> why does anything use lua for anything!
2021-04-06T19:25:27 #kisslinux <mmatongo> or when you needwho still uses lua
2021-04-06T19:25:38 #kisslinux <mmatongo> wtf is that
2021-04-06T19:25:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's also required for the OSC pseudo gui. hm
2021-04-06T19:25:51 #kisslinux <aarng> aren't there also scripts for mpv written in lua?
2021-04-06T19:25:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably
2021-04-06T19:26:09 #kisslinux <aarng> well, the OSC works without having lua installed
2021-04-06T19:27:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn i'll make you a nice pr
2021-04-06T19:27:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh oh MY GOD
2021-04-06T19:28:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is why I keep getting messages while installing things!!!
2021-04-06T19:28:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> it was always complaining about /usr/share/man
2021-04-06T19:28:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> chmod: //usr/share/man/man8/wpa_priv.8: Not a directory
2021-04-06T19:28:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> lmaooooo
2021-04-06T19:28:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I thought it was becuase I was fucking stupid with this install
2021-04-06T19:28:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> yeah that would do that
2021-04-06T19:28:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> how has NOBODY noticed THIS
2021-04-06T19:28:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> did they just think this was how kiss worked?!
2021-04-06T19:28:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> aaaaaaahhhhhh
2021-04-06T19:28:45 #kisslinux <phoebos> tee hee
2021-04-06T19:28:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> phoebos you have saved my sanity
2021-04-06T19:29:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> any time
2021-04-06T19:29:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> aarng: if that's true then the mpv README should be updated lol
2021-04-06T19:31:30 #kisslinux <aarng> must be outdated information
2021-04-06T19:32:16 #kisslinux <aarng> or maybe it's just that you can also run the lua version of the OSC which is then fully scriptable
2021-04-06T19:32:28 #kisslinux * aarng shrugs
2021-04-06T19:32:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably
2021-04-06T19:33:12 #kisslinux <aarng> I never riced my mpv
2021-04-06T19:33:30 #kisslinux <aarng> but I started using it as an image viewer with proper config settings for it
2021-04-06T19:34:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's super useful in a lot of use-cases
2021-04-06T19:34:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> i have never bothered :o
2021-04-06T19:34:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm a beta ricer /shrug
2021-04-06T19:34:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> the least powerful power user
2021-04-06T19:35:13 #kisslinux <aarng> hehe
2021-04-06T19:35:39 #kisslinux <aarng> I prefer default config where ever possible nowadays
2021-04-06T19:36:21 #kisslinux <aarng> way better when you don't get lost running a program without your settings
2021-04-06T19:38:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what alternatives to mpv are there?  vlc the closest feature-wise?
2021-04-06T19:39:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium file player :v
2021-04-06T19:40:00 #kisslinux <aarng> (s)mplayer comes to mind
2021-04-06T19:40:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> in the realm of "play a video or audio file without an obnoxious/bloated UI"
2021-04-06T19:40:09 #kisslinux <aarng> some people also prefer plain ffplay
2021-04-06T19:40:31 #kisslinux <aarng> which is part of ffmpeg
2021-04-06T19:41:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't use mpv and i only had ffmpeg et all for chromium, so i just decided to use the bundled ones
2021-04-06T19:41:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> am I a heretic?
2021-04-06T19:41:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> no, the only reason i have mpv is for mps-youtube
2021-04-06T19:43:52 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn, so you can just file->open a video and it plays in chromium?
2021-04-06T19:44:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> i do file://path/to/file in the URL bar because context menus and stuff don't open in my chromium :v
2021-04-06T19:44:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> except the print dialog! which is useless
2021-04-06T19:45:37 #kisslinux <aarng> lol, nice chromium you got there
2021-04-06T19:45:42 #kisslinux <aarng> fully functional
2021-04-06T19:45:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's very powerful
2021-04-06T19:45:54 #kisslinux <aarng> didn't know you can do that though, til
2021-04-06T19:45:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's fine. I use the github-cli to publish releases lmao
2021-04-06T19:46:02 #kisslinux <aarng> firefox works too
2021-04-06T19:46:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's super great
2021-04-06T19:46:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can disable it if you want and it drops the ICU dependency
2021-04-06T19:46:14 #kisslinux <aarng> :D
2021-04-06T19:46:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^^
2021-04-06T19:46:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's worked on many browsers for... a long time
2021-04-06T19:46:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can drag and drop files into the a blank tab and it'll open it
2021-04-06T19:46:43 #kisslinux <aarng> makes sense that you can do that, just never thought about it
2021-04-06T19:46:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> nobody really advertises the feature
2021-04-06T19:47:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's how i view all my PDFs too haha
2021-04-06T19:47:44 #kisslinux <aarng> oh, I actually do that too
2021-04-06T19:48:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> .mailcap all options point to chromium lol
2021-04-06T19:51:59 #kisslinux <aarng> I thought my computer only existed for running a browser (and some cli programs)
2021-04-06T19:52:08 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn took it one step farther
2021-04-06T19:52:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> instead of having every app be an electron app, I turned my electron app into every app
2021-04-06T19:53:14 #kisslinux <aarng> lol
2021-04-06T20:17:16 #kisslinux <acheam> mmatongo: I know you're busy with Java, but have you had a chance to look at Ada again?
2021-04-06T20:18:17 #kisslinux <mmatongo> candidly no! I haven't looked at ada for a while now.
2021-04-06T20:18:56 #kisslinux <acheam> okay!
2021-04-06T20:19:30 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I am working through everything in a top down manner.
2021-04-06T20:20:03 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Java has been on my list for an annoyingly long time now and I'm only now getting around to it.
2021-04-06T20:22:49 #kisslinux <mmatongo> eliminating java will get rid of at least 5 other languages like elixir, clojure and so on.
2021-04-06T20:44:35 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-06T21:13:27 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: armaanb.net/0001-fortune-new-package-at-git.patch
2021-04-06T21:13:44 #kisslinux <acheam> for repo-community
2021-04-06T21:20:39 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr one sec
2021-04-06T21:20:41 #kisslinux <acheam> don't use that yet
2021-04-06T21:24:22 #kisslinux <acheam> okay its fine now
2021-04-06T21:35:27 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: the more I think about it the more I think that a mailing list makes sense
2021-04-06T21:35:56 #kisslinux <acheam> so that there are two equivalent streams of contributing: github and the mailing list
2021-04-06T21:36:18 #kisslinux <acheam> not github and "submit a patch by carrier pigeon"
2021-04-06T21:39:46 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> wow i'm in the fortune
2021-04-06T21:40:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-06T21:40:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure
2021-04-06T21:40:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll try to make time to implement something this week, or when I finally get back home
2021-04-06T21:40:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> which will be sturday night
2021-04-06T21:40:52 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-04-06T21:41:28 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> that fortune is literally 20% midfavila
2021-04-06T21:41:35 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-06T21:41:41 #kisslinux <acheam> it used to be more
2021-04-06T21:41:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I've been trying to limit him though
2021-04-06T21:42:01 #kisslinux <acheam> so his density in the file decreases as you go down it
2021-04-06T21:42:08 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> lmaoo
2021-04-06T21:44:58 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: http://mlmmj.org/ might be of interest to you
2021-04-06T21:45:09 #kisslinux <acheam> its what Linux uses, and is MIT licensed
2021-04-06T21:46:18 #kisslinux <acheam> you should then be able to use bubger to generate a web interface for it
2021-04-06T21:55:29 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> does kiss ignore checksums for git packages
2021-04-06T21:58:08 #kisslinux <riteo> hi! We finally found the device that messed up the breaker in the circuit where the router was connected to, so that means that I can finally join again without disconnecting every 5 minutes!
2021-04-06T21:58:45 #kisslinux <riteo> Still, I'm sure that I'll disconnect randomly anyway for whatever reason lol
2021-04-06T22:01:43 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> hi riteo !
2021-04-06T22:02:31 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: kiss should skip checksums for packages with version `git`, but it checks it for your fortune package
2021-04-06T22:02:39 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> probably because there's multiple sources
2021-04-06T22:02:42 #kisslinux <riteo> btw I'm proud to anonunce that I finally aliased `kak` to `kek`
2021-04-06T22:02:46 #kisslinux <riteo> now my life is complete
2021-04-06T22:04:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: my opposition to gpl is mostly a meme in this chat and I only strive to use nongpl software in my own stuff, i'm fine with gpl in a larger scope to support this project xD
2021-04-06T22:04:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> though I do appreciate this, and will look at it after work!
2021-04-06T22:04:52 #kisslinux <acheam> you're working at 6pm?
2021-04-06T22:05:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> lots of work today that nobody did (:
2021-04-06T22:05:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> what i can do in less than two minutes it takes half my team >10 minutes
2021-04-06T22:05:22 #kisslinux <acheam> turn that smile upside down
2021-04-06T22:05:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> which means that when we got a huge number of items to do, we end up with... 40 items left after 5 that still have to be done
2021-04-06T22:05:37 #kisslinux <riteo> that acronym though
2021-04-06T22:05:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-06T22:05:42 #kisslinux <riteo> mlmmj
2021-04-06T22:05:45 #kisslinux <acheam> that's reasonable phoebos[m]1
2021-04-06T22:05:59 #kisslinux <acheam> its beautifully riteo
2021-04-06T22:06:10 #kisslinux <acheam> its not recursive though
2021-04-06T22:06:13 #kisslinux <acheam> so utter crap
2021-04-06T22:06:20 #kisslinux <riteo> I can fix it
2021-04-06T22:06:51 #kisslinux <riteo> Mailing List Made MLMMJ Joyfully
2021-04-06T22:06:56 #kisslinux <riteo> that sounded way funnier in my head
2021-04-06T22:07:22 #kisslinux <acheam> that acronym is not made joyful
2021-04-06T22:07:33 #kisslinux <riteo> that acronmy doesn't spark joy at all
2021-04-06T22:07:47 #kisslinux <riteo> s/acronmy/acronym/g
2021-04-06T22:07:49 #kisslinux <kissbot> <riteo> that acronym doesn't spark joy at all
2021-04-06T22:07:54 #kisslinux <riteo> thanks kissbot
2021-04-06T22:09:25 #kisslinux <riteo> omg I just saw its logo
2021-04-06T22:09:27 #kisslinux <riteo> it's beautiful
2021-04-06T22:09:33 #kisslinux <riteo> http://mlmmj.org/files/cache/978f23d44317bc0c92d1690a61967a41.png
2021-04-06T22:09:49 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> that's actually beauty
2021-04-06T22:09:51 #kisslinux <acheam> now thats damn joyful
2021-04-06T22:09:54 #kisslinux <riteo> yes
2021-04-06T22:11:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> truly the picasso of our time
2021-04-06T22:12:32 #kisslinux <riteo> now I really want to hug someone
2021-04-06T22:15:54 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> hang on
2021-04-06T22:15:57 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> we can make this happen
2021-04-06T22:16:05 #kisslinux * acheam hugs riteo
2021-04-06T22:16:29 #kisslinux * riteo hugs everybody
2021-04-06T22:16:34 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> (>'')>
2021-04-06T22:16:43 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> oh you guys with your fancy hugs
2021-04-06T22:17:04 #kisslinux <riteo> awww thanks guys, this is actually cute
2021-04-06T22:17:48 #kisslinux <riteo> phoebos, all hugs are welcome, even KISS ones ;P
2021-04-06T22:18:05 #kisslinux <acheam> <(''<)
2021-04-06T22:18:32 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> :D
2021-04-06T22:18:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> hang on i just learnt how to do that
2021-04-06T22:18:56 #kisslinux * phoebos[m]1 hugs
2021-04-06T22:19:33 #kisslinux <riteo> yay
2021-04-06T22:19:59 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> yay
2021-04-06T23:04:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> mlmmj sounds wonderful
2021-04-06T23:04:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> so now I just have to do... a litany of reading on a few topics
2021-04-06T23:04:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> then initial setup, some tests, and then we can launch it :v
2021-04-06T23:12:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> how come i've never seen the menuconfig for busybox before
2021-04-06T23:12:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> omg it's so much fun
2021-04-06T23:12:49 #kisslinux <phoebos> there's a rpm and dpkg
2021-04-06T23:19:00 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: git.k1sslinux.org isn't up to date
2021-04-06T23:20:53 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: we're very different in that you do a lot of reading before doing things
2021-04-06T23:20:55 #kisslinux <acheam> and testing
2021-04-06T23:21:08 #kisslinux <acheam> what a waste of time
2021-04-06T23:22:03 #kisslinux <acheam> also you should run stagit-index whenever you run stagit
2021-04-06T23:22:10 #kisslinux <acheam> because it has a "lost commit" section
2021-04-06T23:22:15 #kisslinux <acheam> s/lost/last
2021-04-06T23:22:16 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> because it has a "last commit" section
2021-04-06T23:24:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> ooho i see
2021-04-06T23:24:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I realized I don't have a post-commit hook on this laptop to push to it
2021-04-06T23:26:23 #kisslinux <acheam> also did you have a chance to see my patch
2021-04-06T23:28:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> just a laundry list today huh
2021-04-06T23:28:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-06T23:28:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> about to poke it now after these pushes
2021-04-06T23:40:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> applied. fortunes for everyone
2021-04-06T23:40:43 #kisslinux <acheam> my list of needs is endless, dilyn, get used to it
2021-04-06T23:40:49 #kisslinux <acheam> thank you :)
2021-04-06T23:40:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc :)
2021-04-06T23:40:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> my list of things to do is endless
2021-04-06T23:41:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> the checksum is wrong! eep
2021-04-06T23:41:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> is that gonna work with the checksums
2021-04-06T23:41:10 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-04-06T23:41:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah yeah
2021-04-06T23:41:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I checked it
2021-04-06T23:41:23 #kisslinux <acheam> are you using the most recent version?
2021-04-06T23:41:32 #kisslinux <acheam> I updated it once on the URL
2021-04-06T23:41:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm using the patch you sent me :thinking:
2021-04-06T23:41:50 #kisslinux <acheam> oh.. it is wrong
2021-04-06T23:41:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> XD
2021-04-06T23:41:57 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll send another patch one sec
2021-04-06T23:42:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol
2021-04-06T23:42:06 #kisslinux <acheam> damn I really suck at KISS lol
2021-04-06T23:42:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> don't then ever commit to that repo again lol
2021-04-06T23:42:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> we're all bad at everything
2021-04-06T23:42:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> ^
2021-04-06T23:43:12 #kisslinux <acheam> armaanb.net/ 0001-fortune-fix-checksums.patch
2021-04-06T23:43:14 #kisslinux <acheam> oops no space
2021-04-06T23:43:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you sure
2021-04-06T23:43:53 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-06T23:43:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> url spec might've changed while we weren't looking
2021-04-06T23:44:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> spaces might be cool now
2021-04-06T23:44:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> i'd be up for that
2021-04-06T23:44:20 #kisslinux <acheam> what
2021-04-06T23:44:21 #kisslinux <acheam> why
2021-04-06T23:44:24 #kisslinux <acheam> bad phoebos
2021-04-06T23:44:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> oop
2021-04-06T23:44:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-04-06T23:44:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> think of all the new terrible URLs we could have!
2021-04-06T23:44:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> think of the fun we'd have
2021-04-06T23:44:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would settle the debate over what penisland.com is for
2021-04-06T23:45:02 #kisslinux <phoebos> https://                                                                      .com
2021-04-06T23:45:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> on second thought i hate this change
2021-04-06T23:45:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> leave it ambiguous
2021-04-06T23:45:23 #kisslinux <acheam> pen is land?
2021-04-06T23:45:26 #kisslinux <acheam> why would a pen be land?
2021-04-06T23:45:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a mystery to us all
2021-04-06T23:46:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> the load on this server has been super minimal
2021-04-06T23:46:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> is anybody relying on it for their updates?
2021-04-06T23:46:38 #kisslinux <acheam> well obvs not because its so old lol
2021-04-06T23:46:50 #kisslinux <acheam> if you can keep it up to date, I'll switch my remotes
2021-04-06T23:47:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure for sure
2021-04-06T23:47:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> we can happily give you more load :wink:
2021-04-06T23:48:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> also whats /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode
2021-04-06T23:49:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> initial guess is settings related to when you're on battery power
2021-04-06T23:49:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably toggles changing the governor and stuff...
2021-04-06T23:49:48 #kisslinux <phoebos> probably
2021-04-06T23:49:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/4xn0y3/what_will_happen_when_you_modify_the_value_of/
2021-04-06T23:49:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-04-06T23:50:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah merci reddit
2021-04-06T23:51:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Laptop-mode perhaps a better page
2021-04-06T23:51:43 #kisslinux <acheam> ofc its better
2021-04-06T23:51:45 #kisslinux <acheam> its not reddit
2021-04-06T23:53:06 #kisslinux <phoebos> also 6 years older
2021-04-06T23:53:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://www.linuxbabe.com/mail-server/setup-basic-postfix-mail-sever-ubuntu posted a week ago, it's like they knew
2021-04-06T23:53:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably outdated smh
2021-04-06T23:54:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> is this gonna go on the same server hosting the git?
2021-04-06T23:55:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> perhaps
2021-04-06T23:55:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> hence the 'load' statement
2021-04-06T23:55:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> it sits at 3% usage but I think that's because it isn't really being used
2021-04-06T23:55:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> exciting
2021-04-06T23:55:36 #kisslinux <phoebos> is it running kiss?
2021-04-06T23:55:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> peak usage since 1/3 has been 40%, which happened shortly after I announced it existed
2021-04-06T23:55:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> of course it is!
2021-04-06T23:55:52 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice!
2021-04-06T23:56:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't even need to configure a kernel because linode provides a default you can use
2021-04-06T23:56:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> took literally 5 minutes to install XD
2021-04-06T23:56:15 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm nice
2021-04-06T23:56:25 #kisslinux <acheam> how fast is it?
2021-04-06T23:56:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> internet-wise?
2021-04-06T23:56:47 #kisslinux <acheam> cpu/ram wise
2021-04-06T23:57:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2 core 4GB
2021-04-06T23:57:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> so it's reasonable, but I have no idea what a server really needs
2021-04-06T23:57:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably overkill to serve git, i would imagine...
2021-04-06T23:58:38 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-06T23:58:43 #kisslinux <acheam> yes pretty overkill lol