2021-04-11T00:26:18 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> woot!  glad it’s working out :).  i wrote one a while back and felt i learned quite a bit through the process.
2021-04-11T01:08:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: Let's just keep the old slogan :V
2021-04-11T01:09:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think it describes KISS very, very well from the perspective of an outsider
2021-04-11T01:09:43 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-11T02:06:46 #kisslinux <acheam> another C question
2021-04-11T02:06:55 #kisslinux <acheam> is "doesn't call malloc" a feature?
2021-04-11T02:07:02 #kisslinux <acheam> because this project is advertising it as one
2021-04-11T02:18:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> When you're programming for garden-variety desktops, it doesn't really matter. It is a huge deal on embedded devices, however.
2021-04-11T02:19:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "doesn't call malloc" *may* make it easier to manager memory, depending on how that library exposes its allocated buffers.
2021-04-11T02:25:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/manager/manage and coordinate deallocation/
2021-04-11T02:25:47 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kiedtl> "doesn't call malloc" *may* make it easier to manage and coordinate deallocation memory, depending on how that library exposes its allocated buffers.
2021-04-11T02:36:57 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks
2021-04-11T02:37:08 #kisslinux <acheam> this was on something for embedded systems so that makes sense
2021-04-11T02:59:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i have made it home!
2021-04-11T03:03:26 #kisslinux <acheam> welcome back!
2021-04-11T03:03:42 #kisslinux <acheam> oh wait, you mean your actual home?
2021-04-11T03:03:45 #kisslinux <jslick> can you feel the $(nproc) ?
2021-04-11T03:18:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm just oozing cores
2021-04-11T03:18:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> some cuck has just been hammering this server all day
2021-04-11T03:22:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> trap them in a honeypot, in the name of Dylan!
2021-04-11T03:22:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmmmmmmmm
2021-04-11T03:22:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or redirect their connections to the website of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs
2021-04-11T03:23:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-04-11T04:42:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-11T04:59:28 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> hello
2021-04-11T05:23:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> looks like something about gcc plugins was changed, so to avoid the gmp header just turn off
2021-04-11T05:23:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> CONFIG_GCC_PLUGIN_LATENT_ENTROPY and CONFIG_GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT
2021-04-11T05:25:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh wait you gotta turn off CONFIG_GCC_PLUGINS altogether
2021-04-11T10:21:15 #kisslinux <spryc2> when booting it just halts on this, i know what TPM is and that if it was disabled the error probably wouldnt be there but i can't disable it in my laptop bios. http://0x0.st/-TMy.jpg
2021-04-11T10:27:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> cant disable it as in, the option isnt present or as in its greyed out?
2021-04-11T10:27:54 #kisslinux <spryc2> cant find the option anywhere
2021-04-11T10:27:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> idk if ive come across TPM in the laptops ive used
2021-04-11T10:28:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> what machine ya got?
2021-04-11T10:28:23 #kisslinux <spryc2> ideapad 330
2021-04-11T10:30:16 #kisslinux <spryc2> nothing under the security tab in bios
2021-04-11T10:30:21 #kisslinux <spryc2> or anywhere i checked
2021-04-11T10:30:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> is it a dual boot?
2021-04-11T10:30:51 #kisslinux <spryc2> it is not
2021-04-11T10:31:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> aight well im out of my depth here, hopefully someone else around can help, sorry that i cant!
2021-04-11T10:31:32 #kisslinux <spryc2> no worries
2021-04-11T10:39:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you build baseinit btw
2021-04-11T10:39:11 #kisslinux <spryc2> yeah i did
2021-04-11T10:40:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://superuser.com/questions/1052023/ioapic0-not-in-ivrs-table#1255206
2021-04-11T10:40:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Weird that it won't work, cuz you recycled the arch config only
2021-04-11T10:41:12 #kisslinux <spryc2> yeah i copied the config and did localyesconfig
2021-04-11T10:41:27 #kisslinux <spryc2> also changed some things such as max gpu, max cpu and compression mode to xz
2021-04-11T10:42:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you build the cpu firmware into the kernel ?
2021-04-11T10:42:14 #kisslinux <spryc2> yes i did
2021-04-11T10:45:51 #kisslinux <spryc2> maybe i should try disabling iommu
2021-04-11T13:54:32 #kisslinux <spryc> disabled AMD_IOMMU still same
2021-04-11T14:15:04 #kisslinux <acheam> 'ello
2021-04-11T14:15:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> hallo
2021-04-11T14:25:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> repo-bin just got heckin' chonky
2021-04-11T14:25:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> llvm/rust/clang/cmake/nodejs all up
2021-04-11T14:28:53 #kisslinux <acheam> oooh yeah
2021-04-11T14:34:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-11T14:36:30 #kisslinux <acheam> is sending in patches via the mailing list acceptable now?
2021-04-11T14:36:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> so i'm super tempted to drop perl to community/ and build it similarly to yasm for firefox to fully drop the last half of this section: https://k1sslinux.org/software#2.0
2021-04-11T14:36:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: you can try it! we'll see how it works :)
2021-04-11T14:36:50 #kisslinux <acheam> woot
2021-04-11T14:37:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> perl is way too fat to build temporarily for a package :(
2021-04-11T14:38:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Rewrite the perl scripts :p
2021-04-11T14:39:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-04-11T14:40:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> sad
2021-04-11T14:40:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> kill perl
2021-04-11T14:40:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> And ruby
2021-04-11T14:41:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> And python2
2021-04-11T14:42:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is there any tracker issue for either firefox or chromium about dropping perl?
2021-04-11T14:44:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> not as far as I'm aware
2021-04-11T14:44:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> but
2021-04-11T14:44:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> perl is referenced in one shebang ./nsprpub/admin/explode.pl:#!/bin/perl
2021-04-11T14:45:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> not even env perl wowee
2021-04-11T14:45:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah jk
2021-04-11T14:46:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2VKd
2021-04-11T14:55:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `wc -l` them
2021-04-11T14:55:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's just a few
2021-04-11T14:55:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> < 15 from what I can tell, in total
2021-04-11T14:56:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No i mean the code
2021-04-11T14:56:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah
2021-04-11T14:56:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> well one of the internationalization ones is 300 lines
2021-04-11T14:56:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't expect perl scripts to be small
2021-04-11T14:56:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey looky assuming they're consistent with naming perl scripts .pl...
2021-04-11T14:57:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's 56 total
2021-04-11T14:57:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2VKi
2021-04-11T14:57:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> some are small!
2021-04-11T15:00:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a lot of internationalization and third_party stuff. hmhmhm
2021-04-11T15:04:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> 16k loc almost
2021-04-11T15:05:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I think chromium has hundreds of perl scripts
2021-04-11T15:06:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-04-11T15:10:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So there's no way you're getting a browser without perl, even webshit needs perl and ruby
2021-04-11T15:10:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kissweb when
2021-04-11T15:13:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-04-11T15:36:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw dilyn https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210411#c7585505
2021-04-11T15:36:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Should probably add it to the kernel wiki or something
2021-04-11T15:42:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> the plugins are basically useless any :v will add along with the busybox section
2021-04-11T15:43:58 #kisslinux <jslick> spryc>  is there anything that sticks out if you do a `diff -u` against the arch kernel and the kiss kernel configs?
2021-04-11T15:49:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem is that the gmp/mpc headers are just missing, yes?
2021-04-11T15:51:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-04-11T16:35:15 #kisslinux <acheam> hey mmatongo
2021-04-11T16:35:44 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hey acheam
2021-04-11T16:40:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-04-11T16:41:07 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi
2021-04-11T16:46:18 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> hello there
2021-04-11T16:46:59 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I just recovered from a major f%ck up
2021-04-11T16:47:19 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> did you remove busybox
2021-04-11T16:47:33 #kisslinux <mmatongo> after updating gcc to 10.3 it pulled zstd as a dependancy
2021-04-11T16:47:46 #kisslinux <mmatongo> and yes i did remove busybox
2021-04-11T16:47:53 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> oh no
2021-04-11T16:48:34 #kisslinux <mmatongo> i removed gcc, busybox & curl
2021-04-11T16:48:46 #kisslinux <acheam> yikes
2021-04-11T16:48:59 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I think copying the binary does give you some leeway back in
2021-04-11T16:49:02 #kisslinux <acheam> did you recover it from within KISS?
2021-04-11T16:49:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I would have just chrooted into it
2021-04-11T16:50:07 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I was dumb and panic reinstalled kiss when my i386 devices installed a faulty busybox a few times
2021-04-11T16:50:35 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> it compiled but basic utilities segfaulted
2021-04-11T16:50:35 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I have kiss, gkiss and noir installed on my laptop, i just booted into kiss mounted my noir drivve and deleted everything in my / but home
2021-04-11T16:51:20 #kisslinux <acheam> that's a lot of kiss
2021-04-11T16:51:59 #kisslinux <acheam> new song, word
2021-04-11T16:52:09 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> new word, song
2021-04-11T16:52:32 #kisslinux <acheam> new sord, wong
2021-04-11T16:52:37 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hehe
2021-04-11T16:57:02 #kisslinux <mmatongo> there needs to be like a guide on how to recover from such
2021-04-11T16:57:20 #kisslinux <mmatongo> i abused KISS_FORCE today
2021-04-11T16:58:29 #kisslinux <Rio6> the static busy box from the tarball saved me a few times
2021-04-11T16:58:48 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I'd just grab it from the tarball
2021-04-11T16:59:31 #kisslinux <acheam> if you have python or perl installed, you can use that to get it without curl
2021-04-11T17:01:26 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> wget?
2021-04-11T17:02:00 #kisslinux <acheam> that works too
2021-04-11T17:02:03 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> does shell even do anything if you're left out of the binary of itself?
2021-04-11T17:02:07 #kisslinux <acheam> assuming you have it
2021-04-11T17:02:15 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm time to test
2021-04-11T17:03:12 #kisslinux <acheam> seems to work
2021-04-11T17:03:48 #kisslinux <acheam> I just copied the dash binary to ~, ran it in one terminal, deleted it from another terminal, and it still works
2021-04-11T17:04:13 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> hmm
2021-04-11T17:04:20 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/t7tCRUM.png
2021-04-11T17:06:38 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> It's nice to know you can still recover from that state
2021-04-11T17:08:01 #kisslinux <acheam> https://envs.sh/co.html
2021-04-11T17:08:39 #kisslinux <acheam> https://envs.sh/cr.md
2021-04-11T17:09:18 #kisslinux <acheam> https://envs.sh/cs.txt
2021-04-11T17:09:48 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> even more resources! yes!
2021-04-11T17:09:58 #kisslinux <acheam> some fun stories
2021-04-11T17:10:23 #kisslinux <acheam> I should publish these on my website so I don't have to re-upload them every time I want to share them lol
2021-04-11T17:10:27 #kisslinux <spryc> jslick: i did not really copy it just used it as a baseline, there are a ton of things that are differnet since i actually only built in support for my hardware and not a bunch of others like arch
2021-04-11T17:10:44 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Gonna have to archive those with org-capture
2021-04-11T17:11:10 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-11T17:11:32 #kisslinux <acheam> I try and download things like those when  I find them
2021-04-11T17:11:46 #kisslinux <acheam> but I don't use org for it, just good ol curl and pandoc
2021-04-11T17:22:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The binary is loaded into memory along with shared libs too so you can keep using it even after deleting everything
2021-04-11T17:24:43 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> wished I had this knowledge before I panic rebooted things
2021-04-11T19:15:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> sent several test emails to the list and it looks like two people failed to receive it? lmkif you didn't get a FWD FWD
2021-04-11T19:16:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> (decided mail.k1sslinux.org is just needless fracturing, now it's just k1sslinux.org on users-end)
2021-04-11T19:16:58 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-04-11T19:17:02 #kisslinux <acheam> do I need to resub?
2021-04-11T19:17:15 #kisslinux <acheam> no emails recieved
2021-04-11T19:17:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> hello
2021-04-11T19:17:26 #kisslinux <acheam> hi thermatix
2021-04-11T19:17:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> no resub necessary, that people didn't get it means... a couple things
2021-04-11T19:17:54 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-11T19:18:05 #kisslinux <acheam> its not in my spam either
2021-04-11T19:18:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's a cronjob that will try to redeliver it don't worry
2021-04-11T19:18:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance it failed for merakor but it just succeeded this time
2021-04-11T19:18:25 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting
2021-04-11T19:18:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> so i think it's related to the timeout error people are having with subscribing
2021-04-11T19:18:33 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh got it
2021-04-11T19:18:42 #kisslinux <acheam> interestingly its dated 3:10pm
2021-04-11T19:19:02 #kisslinux <acheam> You might want to change the sender name from just "Dev"
2021-04-11T19:19:12 #kisslinux <acheam> that sounds kind of like its just a guy named dev
2021-04-11T19:19:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> Sorry to interrupt but would someone please be able to point me where to find information on EFI partition stuff? Specifically on how to create one? I'm at the step of installing grub and I've never done it manually before
2021-04-11T19:20:00 #kisslinux <acheam> arch wiki partition layout page is good
2021-04-11T19:20:07 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn also wrote a page on the kiss wiki
2021-04-11T19:20:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> oooh
2021-04-11T19:20:21 #kisslinux <acheam> https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/storage/disks
2021-04-11T19:20:35 #kisslinux <acheam> but if you're at the step of installing grub it might be too late to make the partition at the start of the disk?
2021-04-11T19:20:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> is it https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/boot/efistub?
2021-04-11T19:20:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh I was sooo wrong
2021-04-11T19:21:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm building it on a VM
2021-04-11T19:21:00 #kisslinux <acheam> if you're trying to use efistub then yes
2021-04-11T19:21:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> I have given kiss it's own entire virtual disk
2021-04-11T19:21:28 #kisslinux <acheam> that shouldn't make a difference
2021-04-11T19:21:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> if I run `fdisk -l`
2021-04-11T19:21:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao yes I am considering a better list name XD  suggestions?
2021-04-11T19:21:32 #kisslinux <acheam> whats your current partition layout
2021-04-11T19:21:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> what information exactly are you looking for thermatix?
2021-04-11T19:21:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm trying to install grub
2021-04-11T19:21:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> to make kiss bootable
2021-04-11T19:21:56 #kisslinux <acheam> (please don't paste the full output of fdisk -l here, use a pastebin)
2021-04-11T19:22:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> was not going to as I can't copy and paste it out...
2021-04-11T19:22:29 #kisslinux <spryc> if you are at the step of installing grub you should have all disks partioned right?
2021-04-11T19:22:30 #kisslinux <acheam> screeenshot then?
2021-04-11T19:22:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn: i got it
2021-04-11T19:22:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... ah ok that would work better then what I was going to do...
2021-04-11T19:22:43 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: "KISS development mailing list"?
2021-04-11T19:22:56 #kisslinux <acheam> There may be merit in seperating the mailing lists a bit based on repo
2021-04-11T19:23:09 #kisslinux <acheam> like, init, and kiss go togethor, and then the repos go togethor in one list
2021-04-11T19:23:35 #kisslinux <acheam> or maybe everything but repo-community in one list, and then repo-community separetely
2021-04-11T19:23:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> suggestion is a literal kiss-development list + repos list, one for patches to the system and one for updates/PRs/whatevs?
2021-04-11T19:24:11 #kisslinux <acheam> uhh not sure what you mean
2021-04-11T19:24:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> definitely worth separating main and community repos
2021-04-11T19:24:17 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-11T19:24:28 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of people don't even use the community repos
2021-04-11T19:24:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> tru
2021-04-11T19:25:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean if peopl want to submit a patch for init or kiss they would use something like kiss-dev⊙. and for the repositories they'd use kiss-repos⊙.
2021-04-11T19:25:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> sounds good
2021-04-11T19:25:40 #kisslinux <acheam> I suggest one list for everything but repo-community (including init, kiss itself, repo-main), and one list for the more community orientied projects like repo-community, repo-bin, k, etc
2021-04-11T19:25:47 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: that makes sense
2021-04-11T19:25:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> is there a disadvantage to making a separate list for each repo
2021-04-11T19:25:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> but tacking the main repo in with kiss-dev⊙. perhaps makes sense because the community one would flood and it isn't in the same scope as the main rpeo
2021-04-11T19:26:07 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I think no matter what, community should be seperate
2021-04-11T19:26:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhm
2021-04-11T19:26:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> oui
2021-04-11T19:26:24 #kisslinux <acheam> so we have kiss-dev and kiss-community
2021-04-11T19:26:39 #kisslinux <acheam> and kiss-announce
2021-04-11T19:26:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> gotta be specific about the repo in kiss-dev yeah
2021-04-11T19:26:54 #kisslinux <acheam> (I guess they don't need to be prefixed with kiss-)
2021-04-11T19:26:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> true
2021-04-11T19:27:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol yea
2021-04-11T19:27:08 #kisslinux <spryc> i hate this laptop, over the course of ~2 years it has only given me problems with linux, drivers etc.
2021-04-11T19:27:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> f
2021-04-11T19:27:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> Ok, here's the output https://pasteboard.co/JWSpOp9.png
2021-04-11T19:27:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> thermatix: do you have a specific question? I'm confused about the actual problem you're facing
2021-04-11T19:27:41 #kisslinux <spryc> at least i don't use it for anything useful really, just testing some distros mainly
2021-04-11T19:28:02 #kisslinux <acheam> that's pretty useful
2021-04-11T19:28:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> @dy
2021-04-11T19:28:15 #kisslinux <acheam> but once you get kiss working you wont need to test anything else :)
2021-04-11T19:28:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> ....
2021-04-11T19:28:27 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-11T19:28:27 #kisslinux <spryc> well maybe in a sense :), but for actual work i use a thinkpad t60
2021-04-11T19:28:33 #kisslinux <acheam> ah nice
2021-04-11T19:28:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you just need to know a layout for EFI?
2021-04-11T19:28:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> 512MB /dev/sda1, rest can be /
2021-04-11T19:28:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> @dilyn when I run `grub-install`  for EFI i'm not sure where to point `--efi-directory=`
2021-04-11T19:29:03 #kisslinux <acheam> /boot/EFI
2021-04-11T19:29:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> I did but
2021-04-11T19:29:19 #kisslinux <spryc> where is your boot partition mounted?
2021-04-11T19:29:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> well not neccessarily /boot/EFI
2021-04-11T19:29:23 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-04-11T19:29:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's wherever you mount /dev/sda1 to
2021-04-11T19:29:30 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, that's most common
2021-04-11T19:29:32 #kisslinux <spryc> it could be /boot too
2021-04-11T19:29:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mount mine directly to /boot, for instance
2021-04-11T19:29:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> I don't have one?
2021-04-11T19:29:36 #kisslinux <acheam> if you're following arch wiki and stuff
2021-04-11T19:29:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean
2021-04-11T19:29:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok so
2021-04-11T19:29:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's meant to be FAT32 formatted
2021-04-11T19:29:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> too
2021-04-11T19:29:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah, per the spec for UEFI :(
2021-04-11T19:30:02 #kisslinux <spryc> have you read the wiki on disk layouts?
2021-04-11T19:30:02 #kisslinux <acheam> (this is why I use BIOS)
2021-04-11T19:30:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-11T19:30:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm using archlabs ISO installer but I'm not actually installing it, I'm just using it for it's command line
2021-04-11T19:30:17 #kisslinux <acheam> that's fine
2021-04-11T19:30:20 #kisslinux <acheam> won't affect
2021-04-11T19:30:25 #kisslinux <spryc> should tell you everything about what partitions with what FS's you need
2021-04-11T19:30:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> I admit to have kind of winging it
2021-04-11T19:30:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> will I have to re-start from scratch?
2021-04-11T19:31:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> well any 'basic' answer I would give you would be in the wiki entry acheam: linked you to
2021-04-11T19:31:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> not neccessarily, but that screenshot makes it look like you haven't partitioned the disk at all?
2021-04-11T19:31:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> you mean https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/storage/disks ?
2021-04-11T19:31:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-04-11T19:31:27 #kisslinux <spryc> if you have to reformat a partition it will wipe it
2021-04-11T19:31:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> will do
2021-04-11T19:31:41 #kisslinux <acheam> (its a pretty quick install)
2021-04-11T19:31:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, it's not been a complete waste of time
2021-04-11T19:31:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's a learning experience at least
2021-04-11T19:31:58 #kisslinux <acheam> you can always copy out your kernel if you don't want to recompile it
2021-04-11T19:32:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> eh
2021-04-11T19:32:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-04-11T19:32:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> save that .config lol
2021-04-11T19:32:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> kernel's not important since I'ts on the VM
2021-04-11T19:32:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's*
2021-04-11T19:32:25 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-11T19:32:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I didn't really change the config
2021-04-11T19:32:31 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-11T19:32:38 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean just to save the compile time more than anything
2021-04-11T19:32:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> I see
2021-04-11T19:32:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm
2021-04-11T19:32:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes
2021-04-11T19:32:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> I could do that
2021-04-11T19:33:03 #kisslinux <spryc> yeah copy out the binary would save you some time i guess
2021-04-11T19:33:17 #kisslinux <spryc> what took me the longest was building gcc lol
2021-04-11T19:33:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm
2021-04-11T19:33:50 #kisslinux <acheam> for testing don't worry about recompiling the system
2021-04-11T19:33:59 #kisslinux <acheam> saves you some time
2021-04-11T19:34:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, this has been illuminating at least
2021-04-11T19:34:10 #kisslinux <acheam> no!
2021-04-11T19:34:24 #kisslinux <acheam> oh wait
2021-04-11T19:34:28 #kisslinux <acheam> I though you said humiliating
2021-04-11T19:34:29 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-11T19:34:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-11T19:34:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol
2021-04-11T19:34:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> no
2021-04-11T19:34:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> tbh the thing that draws me to kiss
2021-04-11T19:34:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> is well, I really like customising my command line
2021-04-11T19:34:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> my dotfiles I mean
2021-04-11T19:34:52 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, you can do that not on kiss
2021-04-11T19:34:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> neovim and all that
2021-04-11T19:35:00 #kisslinux <spryc> hmn.
2021-04-11T19:35:02 #kisslinux <spryc> hmm.
2021-04-11T19:35:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> so I like the idea of doing that for a whole OS
2021-04-11T19:35:12 #kisslinux <acheam> ah yah
2021-04-11T19:35:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's basically the next step up from doing dotfiles
2021-04-11T19:35:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-04-11T19:35:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's doing a whole OS
2021-04-11T19:35:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> and frankly I'm massively jelly on some of the unixporn of KISS I've seen
2021-04-11T19:35:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> particularly ones using I3
2021-04-11T19:35:58 #kisslinux <acheam> have you seen https://k1sslinux.org/screenshots
2021-04-11T19:36:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes
2021-04-11T19:36:17 #kisslinux <acheam> i3 isn't super popular round here
2021-04-11T19:36:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm thinking of stealing garuda dragonised linux's colour scheme as I really love it
2021-04-11T19:36:22 #kisslinux <acheam> its *bloat*
2021-04-11T19:36:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> then what would you recomend over that?
2021-04-11T19:36:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> I did see sway but that would require wayland
2021-04-11T19:36:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> which isn't bad
2021-04-11T19:36:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I use spectrwm
2021-04-11T19:36:55 #kisslinux <acheam> but dwm is very popular as well
2021-04-11T19:37:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I'm not sure I can be arsed to deal with two separate Gui servers
2021-04-11T19:37:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah I saw dwm
2021-04-11T19:37:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, references to it at least
2021-04-11T19:37:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> so is i3 super big or something?
2021-04-11T19:37:54 #kisslinux <spryc> you won't see many other distros that can have ~150 packages installed with a running display server and full workflow
2021-04-11T19:38:05 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, its like 15x the size of dwm
2021-04-11T19:38:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> ...
2021-04-11T19:38:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> i3 requires that much?
2021-04-11T19:38:21 #kisslinux <acheam> s/size/lines/g
2021-04-11T19:38:21 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> i mean, its like 15x the lines of dwm
2021-04-11T19:38:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> is it a node project or something?
2021-04-11T19:38:31 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-11T19:38:36 #kisslinux <spryc> i3 does not need 150 packages
2021-04-11T19:38:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok, yeah thanks for the tip
2021-04-11T19:38:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think I'm going to change to dwm
2021-04-11T19:39:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol change
2021-04-11T19:39:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> not installed anything yet XD
2021-04-11T19:39:17 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-11T19:39:24 #kisslinux <spryc> what i am saying is that only having under 150 packages with xorg and your typical workflow applications is not a lot
2021-04-11T19:39:32 #kisslinux <spryc> sowm and xwm are also quite popular afaik
2021-04-11T19:39:41 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-11T19:39:45 #kisslinux <spryc> a few of the screenshots use them
2021-04-11T19:39:46 #kisslinux <acheam> they're both made in house!
2021-04-11T19:40:09 #kisslinux <spryc> indeed
2021-04-11T19:40:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> in house? as in within the KISS community?
2021-04-11T19:40:21 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-11T19:40:23 #kisslinux <spryc> yea
2021-04-11T19:40:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh, neat
2021-04-11T19:40:32 #kisslinux <acheam> sowm was by the original KISS creator
2021-04-11T19:40:34 #kisslinux <spryc> sowm is dylans project and xwm is mcpcpcs project
2021-04-11T19:40:37 #kisslinux <acheam> xwm is by mcpcpc_
2021-04-11T19:40:39 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-11T19:40:56 #kisslinux <spryc> mcpcpc also has made some other very nice applications
2021-04-11T19:41:01 #kisslinux <spryc> like kirc and kfc is cool too
2021-04-11T19:41:23 #kisslinux <spryc> wonder when i'll just take the plunge and go kiss on my desktop
2021-04-11T19:41:30 #kisslinux <acheam> do. it.
2021-04-11T19:41:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> one reason I want to be able to use something like i3 is becuase I can then use https://github.com/Kethku/neovide instead of fully terminal
2021-04-11T19:41:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> I like running full in terminal but....
2021-04-11T19:42:09 #kisslinux <spryc> any wm can run graphical applications
2021-04-11T19:42:12 #kisslinux <spryc> obviously
2021-04-11T19:42:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm missing out plus as much as I like tmux I use it because other things just aren't comparable#
2021-04-11T19:42:17 #kisslinux <spryc> that is what they are made for
2021-04-11T19:42:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> sorry not enough context
2021-04-11T19:42:39 #kisslinux <spryc> running windows under x.
2021-04-11T19:42:49 #kisslinux <acheam> neovide looks nice
2021-04-11T19:42:53 #kisslinux <acheam> too bad its rust
2021-04-11T19:43:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> I tend to run fully in terminal because I find that most gui programs and stuff tends to take up valuable screen space
2021-04-11T19:43:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I use tmux so I can run with multiple shells up
2021-04-11T19:43:25 #kisslinux <spryc> most of my workflow is terminal too
2021-04-11T19:43:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> or is it terminals?
2021-04-11T19:43:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> whatever
2021-04-11T19:43:34 #kisslinux <spryc> its usually just the browser
2021-04-11T19:43:40 #kisslinux <acheam> terminal =/= shell
2021-04-11T19:43:48 #kisslinux <acheam> a terminal can run a shell in it
2021-04-11T19:43:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> but with something like dwm I can treat the whole OS as tmux
2021-04-11T19:43:57 #kisslinux <acheam> but you can run a terminal without running a shell
2021-04-11T19:44:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> right
2021-04-11T19:44:11 #kisslinux <acheam> and there are some shells that can run independently of a terminal (see eshell)
2021-04-11T19:44:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> any way, point is it will look awesome
2021-04-11T19:44:31 #kisslinux <spryc> for a while i also had a framebuffer only workflow
2021-04-11T19:44:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> whilst still allowing me the way things I had before
2021-04-11T19:44:45 #kisslinux <acheam> form follows functin, my friend
2021-04-11T19:45:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> @acheam what's wrong with rust? is it the huge build time?
2021-04-11T19:45:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> I intend to run with rustup rather then build from source
2021-04-11T19:45:47 #kisslinux <acheam> partly build times, partly just why?
2021-04-11T19:45:52 #kisslinux <acheam> id rather more programs be c
2021-04-11T19:45:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> fair enough
2021-04-11T19:46:02 #kisslinux <acheam> its just more consistent
2021-04-11T19:46:03 #kisslinux <spryc> rust is very 'reinvent the wheel' like
2021-04-11T19:46:06 #kisslinux <acheam> which isn't a great reason
2021-04-11T19:46:11 #kisslinux <acheam> but I like consistency
2021-04-11T19:46:25 #kisslinux <acheam> (why I like POSIX as well)
2021-04-11T19:47:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> I will say, once I got used to POSIX style shells
2021-04-11T19:47:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what lol, why would it matter if something is written in rust for "consistency"? I get caring about build times, but this...
2021-04-11T19:47:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> I find the idea of coding back on windows to be... unpleasent
2021-04-11T19:47:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol half my messages here are shilling rust
2021-04-11T19:48:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw
2021-04-11T19:48:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> <-- rust coder
2021-04-11T19:48:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> that was supposed to point to me >_<
2021-04-11T19:48:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> <-- rust and c coder
2021-04-11T19:48:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >rust is very 'reinvent the wheel' like
2021-04-11T19:48:54 #kisslinux <acheam> oh boy kiedtl's here to talk about rust
2021-04-11T19:48:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> reinventing what wheel? C?
2021-04-11T19:49:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I said its not a good reason right after I said it lol
2021-04-11T19:49:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: Yes, this shameful rust disparaging nonsense MUST STOP
2021-04-11T19:49:30 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> There is no such thing as consistency
2021-04-11T19:49:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> IM JUST SOO TIRED OF THIS ANTI RUST HORESEHIT
2021-04-11T19:49:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> (/s)
2021-04-11T19:49:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> LOL
2021-04-11T19:50:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw this is super nice -> https://i.redd.it/pc41rwflnid51.png
2021-04-11T19:50:08 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> it's like the rule of bugs/lines
2021-04-11T19:50:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> not the colour scheme, it's ok but I'm talking about the overall look
2021-04-11T19:51:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> and this is super nice too https://i.redd.it/xiivcbvytb061.png
2021-04-11T19:51:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok I'm going to stop now
2021-04-11T19:51:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> meta-k$http://0x0.st/-NuF.png
2021-04-11T19:52:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> http://0x0.st/-NuF.png
2021-04-11T19:52:23 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> speaking of ricing...
2021-04-11T19:52:34 #kisslinux <spryc> thermatix: what you should be looking at is r/usabilityporn
2021-04-11T19:53:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Wallpapers are bloat, fite me http://0x0.st/-T9m.png
2021-04-11T19:53:56 #kisslinux <spryc> i just have a black screen as wallpaper with pretty much stock dwm
2021-04-11T19:54:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^ I do that at night
2021-04-11T19:54:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh, but I use i3
2021-04-11T19:54:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> what's your opinion on IceWM
2021-04-11T19:54:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm thinking of going back to a floating wm, though, I never use tiling now that I use tmux
2021-04-11T19:54:56 #kisslinux <spryc> on my other machine im running xwm with the stock xorg tile thingy wallpaper
2021-04-11T19:55:01 #kisslinux <spryc> just never bothered changing it
2021-04-11T19:55:09 #kisslinux <spryc> since my screen is filled with programs anyway
2021-04-11T19:55:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I tend to have just one or two windows per workspace
2021-04-11T19:55:30 #kisslinux <spryc> xwm does not have workspaces
2021-04-11T19:55:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh... I'm sorry
2021-04-11T19:55:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> does dwm?
2021-04-11T19:55:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah.
2021-04-11T19:55:47 #kisslinux <spryc> dwm does
2021-04-11T19:55:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> are workspaces = virtual desktops of other OS's?
2021-04-11T19:56:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think so
2021-04-11T19:56:09 #kisslinux <spryc> no
2021-04-11T19:56:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I can't remember the last time I used Window's virtual desktops though
2021-04-11T19:56:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh, what's the difference?
2021-04-11T19:56:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> no I think I've got the name wrong
2021-04-11T19:56:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> or not...
2021-04-11T19:56:44 #kisslinux <spryc> well the way implemented differs
2021-04-11T19:56:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> I don't know >_<
2021-04-11T19:56:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think that's the name, virtual desktops
2021-04-11T19:57:02 #kisslinux <spryc> dwm has 'tags' which act differently than workspaces
2021-04-11T19:57:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well, that's dwm. I usually patch that behaviour out
2021-04-11T19:57:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean I'm not sure if virtual desktops is what I'm thinking of
2021-04-11T19:57:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> kiedtl why?
2021-04-11T19:58:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dunno, I find it a bit annoying. I prefer regular workspaces :V
2021-04-11T19:58:21 #kisslinux <acheam> dwm has tags not workspaces
2021-04-11T19:58:25 #kisslinux <acheam> oh whoops
2021-04-11T19:58:33 #kisslinux <acheam> skimmed to quickly
2021-04-11T19:58:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm
2021-04-11T19:58:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> how can you NOT have a wallpaper...
2021-04-11T19:58:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> black screens hurt my soul
2021-04-11T19:58:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't have a wallpaper
2021-04-11T19:58:49 #kisslinux <acheam> just good ol #000000
2021-04-11T19:58:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> burn the blasphemer
2021-04-11T19:58:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no u
2021-04-11T19:58:56 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont see my wallpaper
2021-04-11T19:58:59 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont use gaps
2021-04-11T19:59:13 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah when I stopped using gaps, the wallpaper became irrelevant
2021-04-11T19:59:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just the psychological impact of knowing a pretty picture is there to catch me when chromium randomly crashes
2021-04-11T19:59:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> keeps me sane, you know?
2021-04-11T19:59:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> gaps are for testosterone-crazed arch-touting juveniles
2021-04-11T19:59:34 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-11T19:59:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: black screens hurt your soul, what about white screens? so they sear your eyes?
2021-04-11T19:59:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah I get that
2021-04-11T19:59:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I still want wall paper
2021-04-11T20:00:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> white screens are... unpleasant. but at least they don't remind me of the void
2021-04-11T20:00:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean I won't ever use gaps because I value screen real estate too much
2021-04-11T20:00:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I would be using a wallpaper, actually. I just didn't choose one yet.
2021-04-11T20:00:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I could do transparency or something right?
2021-04-11T20:00:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> uhg transparency
2021-04-11T20:00:47 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> I like muh alpha
2021-04-11T20:00:50 #kisslinux <spryc> you could
2021-04-11T20:00:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D
2021-04-11T20:00:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You're giving me flashbacks, stop
2021-04-11T20:00:57 #kisslinux <spryc> gotta run a compositor for that tho
2021-04-11T20:01:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't run a compositor, its nice
2021-04-11T20:01:14 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> but gotta have a chill wallpaper or say goodbye to contrast
2021-04-11T20:01:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I do get some screen tearing though
2021-04-11T20:01:33 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont run one usually
2021-04-11T20:01:38 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> compositors are okish
2021-04-11T20:01:46 #kisslinux <spryc> not on my laptop atm
2021-04-11T20:01:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> I've been looking around for laptops
2021-04-11T20:02:16 #kisslinux <spryc> i have a widescreen t60 and a ideapad 330 (not recommended)
2021-04-11T20:02:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> > flexes in wayland
2021-04-11T20:02:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> I *am* the compositor
2021-04-11T20:02:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> found a decent one to -> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B089BJZ8T7
2021-04-11T20:02:52 #kisslinux <spryc> thinkpads are the truth
2021-04-11T20:03:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> the aspire is a solid laptop
2021-04-11T20:03:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> only real issue is that it's build quality is a bit naff, not awful or anything but it feels a little cheap
2021-04-11T20:03:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I can live with that as a compromise for the feature-set I'm looking for
2021-04-11T20:03:43 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont really need powerful hardware
2021-04-11T20:03:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> thinkpads are too ugly for me >_<
2021-04-11T20:03:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i'd just get an HP envy tbh
2021-04-11T20:04:00 #kisslinux <spryc> trackpoints are very nice
2021-04-11T20:04:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> or buy an oldish macbook pro! :v
2021-04-11T20:04:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> my current laptop is an oldish macbook pro :D
2021-04-11T20:04:46 #kisslinux <spryc> core 2 duo @ 2.33ghz with 4gb 667mhz ddr2 still running strong
2021-04-11T20:05:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> my man 8D
2021-04-11T20:05:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> mine's an i5 but it's feeling a bit slow plus I want to move away from MacOS
2021-04-11T20:05:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> movzbl will be going down
2021-04-11T20:05:40 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-11T20:05:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !quit
2021-04-11T20:05:42 #kisslinux <spryc> its not your laptop being slow
2021-04-11T20:05:44 #kisslinux <spryc> it is macos
2021-04-11T20:05:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: tilde.team's rebooping
2021-04-11T20:05:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> no doubt
2021-04-11T20:06:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I also admit to wanting an excuse for get something new and shiney...
2021-04-11T20:06:17 #kisslinux <acheam> we never have such unnaceptable misdemeanors on envs.net
2021-04-11T20:06:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> what did movzbl do?
2021-04-11T20:06:31 #kisslinux <acheam> uptime 86 days
2021-04-11T20:06:38 #kisslinux <spryc> the thinkpad t60 isn't my only machine either i do have a modernish desktop
2021-04-11T20:06:40 #kisslinux <acheam> mostly regular expression substitutions
2021-04-11T20:06:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> or is it a bot?
2021-04-11T20:06:43 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-11T20:06:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah.
2021-04-11T20:06:49 #kisslinux <acheam> and link previews
2021-04-11T20:06:54 #kisslinux <acheam> its the same one used on tilde.chat
2021-04-11T20:06:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Errm
2021-04-11T20:06:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-11T20:07:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> There are dozens of bots on tilde.chat lol
2021-04-11T20:07:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: which one do you mean?
2021-04-11T20:07:17 #kisslinux <acheam> the most prominenet one
2021-04-11T20:07:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw, how's gaming on Kiss?
2021-04-11T20:07:33 #kisslinux <acheam> bad
2021-04-11T20:07:35 #kisslinux <acheam> use an arch chroot
2021-04-11T20:07:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> tbh I'm looking-forward to the day I can ditch windows
2021-04-11T20:07:44 #kisslinux <spryc> you can probably get steam via flatpak?
2021-04-11T20:07:50 #kisslinux <acheam> no flatpak on kiss right now
2021-04-11T20:07:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: Do you mean tildebot? Also, are you on the tilde.chat network? I don't see you in #envs
2021-04-11T20:08:15 #kisslinux <acheam> dylan played around with it, but it needs some work to get going again
2021-04-11T20:08:17 #kisslinux <spryc> oh, i thought there was, my bad
2021-04-11T20:08:22 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: uh I think so?
2021-04-11T20:08:31 #kisslinux <acheam> I haven't been on tilde.chat since I switcheed to catgirl
2021-04-11T20:08:40 #kisslinux <spryc> a JuNest chroot is good to have https://github.com/fsquillace/junest
2021-04-11T20:08:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah, no, movzbl is the sigsegv bot, not tildebot
2021-04-11T20:08:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> acheam what about -> https://github.com/dylanaraps/kiss-flatpak
2021-04-11T20:08:52 #kisslinux <acheam> oh okay
2021-04-11T20:08:59 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: that's what I'm talking about
2021-04-11T20:09:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't remind me of this project
2021-04-11T20:09:18 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't work AFAIK
2021-04-11T20:09:18 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-11T20:09:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> somebody else should do it :P
2021-04-11T20:09:28 #kisslinux <acheam> should it be part of kiss-community?I
2021-04-11T20:09:34 #kisslinux <acheam> given that dylan maintained it
2021-04-11T20:09:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> heck naw
2021-04-11T20:09:49 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-11T20:09:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> is flat-pack like `apt` or `pacman` but along-side?
2021-04-11T20:10:04 #kisslinux <acheam> kind of
2021-04-11T20:10:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> meant for any distro?
2021-04-11T20:10:08 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-11T20:10:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> thermatix: sorta like snaps
2021-04-11T20:10:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> where as apt is for debian and pacman is for arch
2021-04-11T20:10:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> except red hat's version, I think
2021-04-11T20:10:26 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty much
2021-04-11T20:10:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> interesting
2021-04-11T20:10:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> so the flatpack for kiss doesn't work atm?
2021-04-11T20:10:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> flatpack is just bad snaps, snaps are just better apts
2021-04-11T20:10:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It's a pretty horrible idea, to be honest
2021-04-11T20:10:41 #kisslinux <acheam> except it doesn't rely on proprietary server side stuff
2021-04-11T20:10:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i thought it worked, it just didn't have sound
2021-04-11T20:10:50 #kisslinux <spryc> flatpaks are a containerised way to distribute applications
2021-04-11T20:10:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-04-11T20:10:57 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: that's to be expected though
2021-04-11T20:11:03 #kisslinux <acheam> flatpaks need pulseaudio or pipewire
2021-04-11T20:11:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> which require d somehting?
2021-04-11T20:11:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> luckily pipewire is pretty easy to setup and use :o
2021-04-11T20:11:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> dbus
2021-04-11T20:11:21 #kisslinux <spryc> what about appimages
2021-04-11T20:11:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-04-11T20:11:29 #kisslinux <acheam> appimages are dynamically linked to glibc
2021-04-11T20:11:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Same thing afaik
2021-04-11T20:11:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh
2021-04-11T20:11:39 #kisslinux <spryc> they are?
2021-04-11T20:11:42 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-11T20:11:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I wonder if it's possible to stuff glibc into the appimage
2021-04-11T20:11:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I considered that
2021-04-11T20:12:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I think if you generate the appimage on a musl systen itt'll be fine
2021-04-11T20:12:09 #kisslinux <acheam> look into the issue tracker on GH
2021-04-11T20:12:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kk
2021-04-11T20:12:13 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of upset Alpine linux people
2021-04-11T20:12:19 #kisslinux <spryc> i have never really used any flatpaks or snaps or appimages for that matter
2021-04-11T20:12:29 #kisslinux <acheam> they're nice for proprietary software
2021-04-11T20:12:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: which repo?
2021-04-11T20:12:43 #kisslinux <acheam> the appimage one
2021-04-11T20:12:52 #kisslinux <spryc> i did run fedora silverblue for about a week when i was very new to linux
2021-04-11T20:12:58 #kisslinux <spryc> dont do that..
2021-04-11T20:13:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> soo does this mean kiss doesn't have audio?
2021-04-11T20:13:41 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-04-11T20:13:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no
2021-04-11T20:13:47 #kisslinux <acheam> just plain alsa works
2021-04-11T20:13:49 #kisslinux <acheam> or pipewire
2021-04-11T20:13:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS has audio that basically works out of the box
2021-04-11T20:13:53 #kisslinux <acheam> or sndio
2021-04-11T20:13:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> pipewire is neat
2021-04-11T20:14:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-11T20:14:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> easiest alsa setup i've ever had (:
2021-04-11T20:14:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS == Linux on EZ mode
2021-04-11T20:14:20 #kisslinux <spryc> how is f2fs on kiss btw?
2021-04-11T20:14:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> ...
2021-04-11T20:14:36 #kisslinux <spryc> it is what i have been using for my SSDs in the past
2021-04-11T20:14:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> dilyn is that a joke? that's a joke right?
2021-04-11T20:14:46 #kisslinux <acheam> don't know if anyone has tried it spryc
2021-04-11T20:14:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean for the userspace stuff it's mad simple
2021-04-11T20:14:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> how so?
2021-04-11T20:14:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> fonts, sound, xorg... all super simple.
2021-04-11T20:15:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmmmm
2021-04-11T20:15:10 #kisslinux <spryc> maybe i should just go xfs
2021-04-11T20:15:13 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> it's literally in the name (tm)
2021-04-11T20:15:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> well I can't really comment until I go it all installed and up and running
2021-04-11T20:15:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-11T20:15:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> got*
2021-04-11T20:15:30 #kisslinux <spryc> that would require me to reformat my home partition tho
2021-04-11T20:15:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> cp -r /home/* /safe/space
2021-04-11T20:15:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> LOL
2021-04-11T20:15:58 #kisslinux <spryc> you're not wrong
2021-04-11T20:16:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> ;)
2021-04-11T20:16:11 #kisslinux <spryc> wait
2021-04-11T20:16:13 #kisslinux <spryc> i forgot
2021-04-11T20:16:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzU05QmJMDg
2021-04-11T20:16:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm sorry
2021-04-11T20:16:19 #kisslinux <spryc> i have another HDD in my desktop
2021-04-11T20:16:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> just
2021-04-11T20:16:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-11T20:16:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> I had to
2021-04-11T20:16:31 #kisslinux <spryc> that i can just back it up to
2021-04-11T20:16:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> s
2021-04-11T20:16:44 #kisslinux <spryc> i have never used it basically so i forgot i have it
2021-04-11T20:16:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok, nice talking to yall
2021-04-11T20:17:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> bb
2021-04-11T20:17:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cya
2021-04-11T20:17:06 #kisslinux <acheam> bye thermatix
2021-04-11T20:17:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> the backup drive has been slowly making its way across the apartment for the last two weeks as i slowly convince myself to switct to zfs on my PC
2021-04-11T20:17:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's on the coffee table so maybe in two weeks i'll finally have it plugged in
2021-04-11T20:24:44 #kisslinux <zenomat> to subscribe to the mailing list I just send a mail to 'dev+subscribe⊙ko'?
2021-04-11T20:24:59 #kisslinux <acheam> theoretically
2021-04-11T20:25:45 #kisslinux <acheam> yay
2021-04-11T20:25:46 #kisslinux <acheam> its back!
2021-04-11T20:25:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wait what
2021-04-11T20:25:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the reboot didn't happen
2021-04-11T20:25:55 #kisslinux <acheam> oop
2021-04-11T20:25:59 #kisslinux <acheam> it has a mind of its own!
2021-04-11T20:27:27 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: oksh has 6.8.1 now
2021-04-11T20:27:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> that should do it
2021-04-11T20:27:36 #kisslinux <acheam> its 6.7 in community
2021-04-11T20:27:51 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: what's the final adress scheme?
2021-04-11T20:28:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> the domain is probably finalized for @k1sslinux.org I think
2021-04-11T20:28:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless I find... convincing reason that I'm wrong
2021-04-11T20:28:43 #kisslinux <acheam> but for before the @?
2021-04-11T20:29:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm now trying to setup archiving and posting it online and then the final set of lists will be identified and announcements will be made :)
2021-04-11T20:29:14 #kisslinux <acheam> yey
2021-04-11T20:29:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I'm thinking just 2 so that people who don't care about community* stuff don't have to bother with it
2021-04-11T20:29:33 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense
2021-04-11T20:29:38 #kisslinux <acheam> what system are you going for arrchiving?
2021-04-11T20:29:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah you've got good ideas(tm) :P
2021-04-11T20:29:46 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-04-11T20:29:56 #kisslinux <acheam> Easiest might just be offlineimap and bubget
2021-04-11T20:29:57 #kisslinux <acheam> r
2021-04-11T20:29:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> i haven't fully decided! I have no idea how blists work I guess and I can't get it to do... the thing
2021-04-11T20:30:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> so we're playing around rn
2021-04-11T20:30:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's what i'm thinking...
2021-04-11T20:30:15 #kisslinux <acheam> just setup an archive⊙ko adress
2021-04-11T20:30:23 #kisslinux <acheam> and add it to the lists
2021-04-11T20:30:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhm
2021-04-11T20:30:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> mhmhmhmmhmhmh
2021-04-11T20:30:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> lots of ideas
2021-04-11T20:30:50 #kisslinux <acheam> offlineimap is pretty simple, but i've also heard good things about mbsync
2021-04-11T20:30:52 #kisslinux <acheam> if you go that route
2021-04-11T20:30:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's probably a clean one
2021-04-11T20:31:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> the archive@ not mbsync
2021-04-11T20:31:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk about mbsync
2021-04-11T20:31:13 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-11T20:33:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> mbsync sounds cute
2021-04-11T20:33:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> harumph mumble grumble
2021-04-11T20:33:41 #kisslinux <acheam> why so harumphant?
2021-04-11T20:33:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> one time I had a question about a specific Star Wars feature (something like, small and innocuous) and I ended up reading a massive portion of the star wars wiki over the course of three days
2021-04-11T20:33:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't even like Star Wars
2021-04-11T20:34:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is just how I am
2021-04-11T20:34:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I know that I'm going to end up reading literally every piece of digestable content on this topic :|
2021-04-11T20:34:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> so hARumPH
2021-04-11T20:34:39 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-11T20:35:11 #kisslinux <acheam> http://oxide.org/
2021-04-11T20:35:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> AH
2021-04-11T20:35:30 #kisslinux <acheam> (yes I tried compiling it, no it didn't work)
2021-04-11T20:35:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> that is disgusting
2021-04-11T20:36:54 #kisslinux <acheam> its html4 too
2021-04-11T20:38:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://webgefrickel.de/blog/a-modern-mutt-setup i should get around to doing this. I've always been divorced from email
2021-04-11T20:38:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> for like, twelve years I was convinced email was no longer relevant :|
2021-04-11T20:39:02 #kisslinux <acheam> you're gonna need to leave tutanota first
2021-04-11T20:39:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> :)
2021-04-11T20:39:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't mind me
2021-04-11T20:40:02 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm very impressed that that person's website, who calls himself a web developer, is actually fairly lightweight
2021-04-11T20:40:40 #kisslinux <acheam> like, only 290 css rules
2021-04-11T20:40:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> he uses mutt. this man understands the modern web
2021-04-11T20:41:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> >> MacOS
2021-04-11T20:41:02 #kisslinux <acheam> and not *that* much js
2021-04-11T20:41:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> jk lol
2021-04-11T20:41:03 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-11T20:41:10 #kisslinux <acheam> no analytics either
2021-04-11T20:41:34 #kisslinux <acheam> oh look at that, "I don't do slow, non-responsive, non-accessible websites, and I won't debate doing so."
2021-04-11T20:41:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> heru
2021-04-11T20:41:54 #kisslinux <acheam> this guy gives off mega ddevault vibes
2021-04-11T20:41:58 #kisslinux <acheam> "If you are racist, sexist, antifeminist, homophobic, a weapons dealer or just some other kind of asshole, I won't work with you."
2021-04-11T20:42:07 #kisslinux <acheam> "I have high expectations regarding my own work. In return I expect fair and punctual payment."
2021-04-11T20:42:11 #kisslinux <acheam> "When working with me, you are paying for a service. I am not a servant. There is a difference. "
2021-04-11T20:42:18 #kisslinux <acheam> "I'm not a magician: if your content is crap, your website will be crap—there is nothing I can do about that by coding."
2021-04-11T20:45:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-04-11T20:45:11 #kisslinux <spryc> tomorrow i'll kissify my desktop
2021-04-11T20:45:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-04-11T20:45:31 #kisslinux <spryc> dont wanna fuck around with this laptop anymore
2021-04-11T20:45:40 #kisslinux <acheam> is it not running kiss right now?
2021-04-11T20:46:15 #kisslinux <spryc> the laptop has it installed but wont boot for *reasons*
2021-04-11T20:48:28 #kisslinux <spryc> and i dont feel like messing with it anymore atm
2021-04-11T20:48:38 #kisslinux <zenomat> i leaked my freenode password 3 times in a row to my config git repo....
2021-04-11T20:48:43 #kisslinux <acheam> oof
2021-04-11T20:48:44 #kisslinux <spryc> it is not an important machine anyway
2021-04-11T20:48:45 #kisslinux <spryc> f
2021-04-11T20:48:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> big f
2021-04-11T20:49:14 #kisslinux <zenomat> but at least I know how to change passwords now^^
2021-04-11T20:49:45 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont even have an account registered
2021-04-11T20:49:56 #kisslinux <spryc> what are the benefits of having one?
2021-04-11T20:50:06 #kisslinux <acheam> access to channels that require registration
2021-04-11T20:50:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> then nobody can pretend to be you!
2021-04-11T20:50:12 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-04-11T20:50:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> the qt5 channel requires you to be registered
2021-04-11T20:50:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance
2021-04-11T20:51:07 #kisslinux <spryc> oh alright
2021-04-11T20:51:22 #kisslinux <spryc> haven't been using irc for long
2021-04-11T20:51:54 #kisslinux <spryc> email ftw
2021-04-11T20:52:32 #kisslinux <spryc> cant wait to see how fast packages build on my desktop pc
2021-04-11T21:21:25 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I can't tell you the number of times I've accidentally written my password into channels by forgetting the /
2021-04-11T21:21:37 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Thank Bob for certFP.
2021-04-11T21:21:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> yet another reason to use kiwiirc
2021-04-11T21:23:05 #kisslinux <zenomat> i tryed out 'the liunge' yesterday as a selfhosted irc web client, how is kiwi?
2021-04-11T21:23:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's fine. it's not persistent or anything, but it's comfy
2021-04-11T21:23:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> highlights names, does notifications
2021-04-11T21:24:03 #kisslinux <acheam> just switch to the server buffer before putting your password in
2021-04-11T21:24:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> lots of servers to choose from + custom ones, easy to change channels
2021-04-11T21:24:24 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I have a thelounge instance for if my main client breaks, it's pretty cool.
2021-04-11T21:24:26 #kisslinux <acheam> but
2021-04-11T21:24:29 #kisslinux <acheam> its in the browser
2021-04-11T21:25:03 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Yeah, that's why I only use it for emergencies. Otherwise I'm using senpai and soju.
2021-04-11T21:25:08 #kisslinux <zenomat> I guess I will just stick with thelounge for when I do not have weechat, for example smartphone
2021-04-11T21:25:15 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> 'cos, you know. terminal.
2021-04-11T21:25:16 #kisslinux <acheam> zenomat: weechat-relay
2021-04-11T21:25:38 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah, but I cant use weechat to connect to a weechat relay
2021-04-11T21:25:48 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-11T21:26:15 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> The idea is that you use the actual weechat instance when on the computer, and use the relay on your phone.
2021-04-11T21:26:33 #kisslinux <acheam> the relay app is very good too
2021-04-11T21:26:35 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> But I hate that it's not able to attach to it's own relay.
2021-04-11T21:26:54 #kisslinux <zenomat> when I wanted to use weechat relay for when I am on the move I would have to host in on my server, because I do nat have my pc running all the time, but I cant use weechat anywhere else if I have relay running
2021-04-11T21:27:07 #kisslinux <zenomat> and like you said, it cant connect to its own relay
2021-04-11T21:27:17 #kisslinux <acheam> use it over SSH
2021-04-11T21:27:21 #kisslinux <acheam> that's what I did
2021-04-11T21:27:53 #kisslinux <zenomat> i tried, but it just feels awkward in some kind of way
2021-04-11T21:27:56 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I did that as well, but I prefer the bouncer. It felt clunky the other way.
2021-04-11T21:27:58 #kisslinux <acheam> how?
2021-04-11T21:28:11 #kisslinux <acheam> it isn't any different than just using it
2021-04-11T21:28:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's the psychology of it all man i'm telling you
2021-04-11T21:28:39 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> It was for me. Cos my server is pants. It was laggy occasionally, and every now and again my SSH connection would drop.
2021-04-11T21:28:50 #kisslinux <acheam> ah yeah that's annoying
2021-04-11T21:28:54 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Although for the most part mosh fixed that.
2021-04-11T21:28:57 #kisslinux <zenomat> just clunky. and , maybe i just havent found the right solution, if i want to close the ssh connection I would also have to close weechat, breaking relay
2021-04-11T21:29:03 #kisslinux <acheam> tmux
2021-04-11T21:29:11 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Yeah, tmux is the way to go with that.
2021-04-11T21:29:30 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah okay maybe, but I never used tmux
2021-04-11T21:29:35 #kisslinux <acheam> its not hard
2021-04-11T21:29:39 #kisslinux <zenomat> and i do not have any other use for tmux
2021-04-11T21:29:43 #kisslinux <acheam> so?
2021-04-11T21:30:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't have any other use for zathura than to look at PDFs
2021-04-11T21:30:09 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> If you're like me, you'll find other uses...
2021-04-11T21:30:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> my screen is my multiplexer
2021-04-11T21:30:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's why I have such a big screen after all
2021-04-11T21:30:33 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Fair.
2021-04-11T21:30:33 #kisslinux <zenomat> but zathura cant do really much else than pdf, but tmux has so much other usecases
2021-04-11T21:30:44 #kisslinux <acheam> Its just a terminal multiplexer
2021-04-11T21:31:00 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah, but lke i can use my window manager for that
2021-04-11T21:31:13 #kisslinux <acheam> not for keeping sessions alive for irc
2021-04-11T21:31:29 #kisslinux <acheam> tmux also lets sessions stay alive beyond xorg even
2021-04-11T21:31:49 #kisslinux <zenomat> i dont know, just feels not right^^
2021-04-11T21:32:00 #kisslinux <acheam> https://sr.ht/~ft/pdffs/
2021-04-11T21:32:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> nothing should exist outside my display server.
2021-04-11T21:32:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> if i'm trapped at a getty prompt something has gone horribly wrong
2021-04-11T21:32:21 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> The main use I find for tmux, is running installs on remote computers. cos if your connection drops you can just sign back in and reconnect.
2021-04-11T21:32:27 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-04-11T21:32:35 #kisslinux <acheam> great for long tasks over ssh
2021-04-11T21:32:42 #kisslinux <zenomat> thebuzzing: fair enough
2021-04-11T21:32:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> just get a terminal emulator that you can run from a server! like foot
2021-04-11T21:32:59 #kisslinux <acheam> that's so much effort though
2021-04-11T21:33:15 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I put foot on my laptop this morning, it's pretty nice.
2021-04-11T21:33:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> just exec footserver when you start your display server and then foot does all the hard work!
2021-04-11T21:33:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> foot is the best!
2021-04-11T21:33:52 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, will update oksh in a bit
2021-04-11T21:34:02 #kisslinux <aarng> tmux is live
2021-04-11T21:34:29 #kisslinux <aarng> I can restart my xserver and get my terminal back just as I left it
2021-04-11T21:35:03 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: thanks
2021-04-11T21:35:20 #kisslinux <aarng> and how do you guys search in your scrollback?
2021-04-11T21:35:28 #kisslinux <aarng> so painless with tmux
2021-04-11T21:35:50 #kisslinux <zenomat> i never search in my scrollback
2021-04-11T21:35:52 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: vi mode in alacritty
2021-04-11T21:36:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> grep foo ~/.ksh_history
2021-04-11T21:36:20 #kisslinux <aarng> zenomat: fair enough
2021-04-11T21:36:31 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: does that have command output too?
2021-04-11T21:36:34 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, I like the terminal agonostic nature of tmux
2021-04-11T21:36:43 #kisslinux <acheam> that's fair
2021-04-11T21:36:49 #kisslinux <acheam> but I only ever use alacritty
2021-04-11T21:36:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> when I do it it's just to see what I typed in wrong
2021-04-11T21:36:51 #kisslinux <aarng> doesn't matter if I'm in a tty or connected via ssh
2021-04-11T21:36:52 #kisslinux <acheam> so for me it works
2021-04-11T21:36:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't want it run twice
2021-04-11T21:36:55 #kisslinux <aarng> my scrollback is always the same
2021-04-11T21:37:33 #kisslinux <aarng> ok, in my case my entire irc client is basically tail -f in tmux
2021-04-11T21:37:48 #kisslinux <aarng> so I use the scrollback feature and searchign a lot
2021-04-11T21:37:50 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> My scrollback don't want none unless you got tmux hun
2021-04-11T21:38:05 #kisslinux <aarng> word :D
2021-04-11T21:38:06 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Sorry. I regret my choices.
2021-04-11T21:38:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-11T21:39:06 #kisslinux <zenomat> alright guys. im off, otherwise i will die if i try to get up tomorrow
2021-04-11T21:39:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> ciao
2021-04-11T21:39:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cya
2021-04-11T21:39:27 #kisslinux <acheam> bye
2021-04-11T21:39:35 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> auf weidersen
2021-04-11T21:39:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> What's your TZ, bbtw?
2021-04-11T21:39:45 #kisslinux <acheam> oop
2021-04-11T21:39:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a fucking legend
2021-04-11T21:39:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> that quit message is i c o n i c
2021-04-11T21:40:05 #kisslinux <acheam> I already put it in the fortune file lol
2021-04-11T21:40:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-11T21:40:26 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Apparently senpai doesn't show quit messages. Who knew?
2021-04-11T21:41:19 #kisslinux <acheam> that's a shame
2021-04-11T21:41:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> now you will never be noticed
2021-04-11T21:41:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh how the turn tables
2021-04-11T21:42:40 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I feel horrified by my loss.
2021-04-11T21:55:42 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, we had 6.8.1 the entire time
2021-04-11T21:57:15 #kisslinux <acheam> oh?
2021-04-11T21:57:20 #kisslinux <acheam> huh yeah
2021-04-11T21:57:28 #kisslinux <acheam> The commit message just had the wrong version
2021-04-11T21:57:42 #kisslinux <acheam> (I didn't actually check the package, my bad)
2021-04-11T21:57:59 #kisslinux <aarng> no worries
2021-04-11T21:58:08 #kisslinux <acheam> bit too late to do a rebase now lol
2021-04-11T21:59:04 #kisslinux <aarng> I guess
2021-04-11T21:59:18 #kisslinux <aarng> no idea what happened though, I don't fuck up commit messages like that
2021-04-11T22:02:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> the commit message looks right?
2021-04-11T22:02:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> efc999c317a9438437fd4fe74752895404b4a763 ?
2021-04-11T22:03:58 #kisslinux <aarng> yep. my git-fu failed me and I couldn't find the commit
2021-04-11T22:04:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> karate chop the logs until results improve
2021-04-11T22:05:07 #kisslinux <aarng> will do, senpai
2021-04-11T22:05:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> ._.
2021-04-11T22:13:15 #kisslinux <aarng> ok, I needed --follow for my git log command
2021-04-11T22:13:34 #kisslinux <aarng> why is not -a and why is it a long option in the first place
2021-04-11T22:16:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh that's an interesting flag...
2021-04-11T22:18:20 #kisslinux <aarng> how did you find the commit?
2021-04-11T22:18:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> i just did git log which opens in vim and then searched for oksh lmao
2021-04-11T22:19:56 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I used git log too and searched in my scroll back but couldn't find it
2021-04-11T22:20:04 #kisslinux <aarng> man, we really are professionals
2021-04-11T22:20:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something if itwerks
2021-04-11T22:20:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> why do good command when simple command do trick
2021-04-11T22:21:25 #kisslinux <aarng> tru
2021-04-11T22:22:17 #kisslinux <aarng> I learned something though, thanks acheam