2021-04-22T00:36:58 #kisslinux <noocsharp> since i joined the mailing lists, ive had an uptick in spam
2021-04-22T00:37:10 #kisslinux <noocsharp> cost of doing business i guess
2021-04-22T00:39:10 #kisslinux <acheam> really? I have never had any spam... and its not like your email isn't public already
2021-04-22T00:40:13 #kisslinux <acheam> Like, its on your website, suckless.org, etc, there's lots of places a bot could pick it up from
2021-04-22T00:41:02 #kisslinux <noocsharp> actually its really only been in the past 3 days, so its probably not the mailing list
2021-04-22T00:41:47 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i joined community on the 14th and got my first spam of this type on the 15th
2021-04-22T00:41:55 #kisslinux <acheam> what's your email host/spam filtration like?
2021-04-22T00:42:15 #kisslinux <noocsharp> nonexistent
2021-04-22T00:42:17 #kisslinux <acheam> the default mailbox.org spam filters have served me fine, and I've put my email in a lot of places
2021-04-22T00:42:23 #kisslinux <acheam> your email host is nonexistent?
2021-04-22T00:42:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> spam filtering is non-existent, email is hosted on my vps
2021-04-22T00:42:52 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-22T00:43:09 #kisslinux <acheam> might be time for rspamd or spamassasin or somthing
2021-04-22T00:43:37 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i just got rid of rspamd like a month ago, because it everything it was flagging was a false positive
2021-04-22T00:43:51 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm maybe you just need to tune it better?
2021-04-22T00:43:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> maybe i need to play around with it more
2021-04-22T00:43:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yeah
2021-04-22T00:44:05 #kisslinux <acheam> rspamd is used by some pretty major mail providers
2021-04-22T00:44:09 #kisslinux <acheam> it can be very good when used right
2021-04-22T00:44:29 #kisslinux <acheam> (including mailbox.org btw)
2021-04-22T00:44:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its probably overkill for a single-user mail server tbh
2021-04-22T00:44:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> kinda bloat for my use case
2021-04-22T00:45:01 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah...
2021-04-22T00:45:07 #kisslinux <acheam> might be worth it to try spamassasin though
2021-04-22T00:45:12 #kisslinux <acheam> it might just work better with you
2021-04-22T00:45:47 #kisslinux <acheam> ew spamasasin uses confluence for documentation
2021-04-22T00:46:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I rescind my reccomendation to give it a try
2021-04-22T00:50:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> if it really gets bad ill find something
2021-04-22T00:53:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine not being part of a time-sharing community that provides free unlimited-use email to all members
2021-04-22T00:53:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> vpslets destroyed
2021-04-22T00:55:17 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine being at the mercy of one guy to just stop providing you with all those things
2021-04-22T00:55:27 #kisslinux <acheam> sdflets and tildelets destroyed
2021-04-22T00:55:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine thinking that SDF has a single person in charge of anything
2021-04-22T00:55:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-04-22T00:55:45 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't SDF just hoste
2021-04-22T00:55:50 #kisslinux <acheam> d in some guys house
2021-04-22T00:55:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> not afaik
2021-04-22T00:56:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> they have a portion of a proper data center dedicated to the cluster
2021-04-22T00:57:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides, to do anything major with the system, the board has to meet
2021-04-22T00:57:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then pass down the suggestion to MetaARPA, who vote on it
2021-04-22T00:57:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and only then will administrative take action
2021-04-22T00:57:15 #kisslinux <acheam> see https://sdf.org/?tour
2021-04-22T00:57:50 #kisslinux <acheam> some guy can just... unplug it
2021-04-22T00:57:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a really shitty argument
2021-04-22T00:58:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> by your logic, anyone can just "unplug" a VPS
2021-04-22T00:58:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, they don't even have to do that much
2021-04-22T00:58:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> ssh into the host machine and kill your VPS.
2021-04-22T00:59:19 #kisslinux <acheam> sure they can
2021-04-22T00:59:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I didn't mean that ironically
2021-04-22T00:59:42 #kisslinux <acheam> sure. they can.
2021-04-22T00:59:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> imagine not having root access to the mail server that you use
2021-04-22T01:00:00 #kisslinux <acheam> exactly
2021-04-22T01:00:10 #kisslinux <acheam> (although I'm guilty of that too)
2021-04-22T01:00:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> see, the problem here isn't about root
2021-04-22T01:00:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I was using that as an example to show control
2021-04-22T01:00:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> "muh root" is convenience and not much else
2021-04-22T01:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is who has access to the hardware
2021-04-22T01:00:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as it stands
2021-04-22T01:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> proper self-hosting isn't feasible for most people
2021-04-22T01:00:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially if you actually have people after you
2021-04-22T01:01:00 #kisslinux <acheam> most people don't have people after them
2021-04-22T01:01:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, lucky fucking them, then
2021-04-22T01:03:33 #kisslinux <acheam> all I'm saying is that using sdf or a tildeverse makes me feel vulnerable, and even more powerless than using a small commerical provider
2021-04-22T01:03:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> then don't use it!
2021-04-22T01:04:14 #kisslinux <acheam> okay okay okay
2021-04-22T01:11:02 #kisslinux <helby> I did not receive a spam for years
2021-04-22T01:11:26 #kisslinux <helby> maybe bc. only email I get is when I send something myself to control if email is still working :/
2021-04-22T01:14:30 #kisslinux <helby> so I left self host and got dismail.de, works okay
2021-04-22T01:17:23 #kisslinux <acheam> I woiuldn't use dismail for the same reasons as above. The sysadmin openly admits there is a bus factor of one
2021-04-22T01:21:12 #kisslinux <helby> well google has more people if u prefer numbers :/
2021-04-22T01:22:16 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-22T01:23:56 #kisslinux <helby> self hosted is no more reliable
2021-04-22T01:24:03 #kisslinux <helby> usually
2021-04-22T01:24:24 #kisslinux <helby> even if u don't fail, u can get anytime email from vps that bla bla bla, u did this and that, bye
2021-04-22T01:24:48 #kisslinux <noocsharp> true
2021-04-22T01:25:02 #kisslinux <helby> and obviously all your emails usually goes to spam in microsoft and google server
2021-04-22T01:25:18 #kisslinux <helby> even if u set it up better than both of them
2021-04-22T01:25:24 #kisslinux <helby> bc. u uknown
2021-04-22T01:26:05 #kisslinux <helby> or better u are not one of them
2021-04-22T01:28:28 #kisslinux <noocsharp> at this point i mostly just do it for fun
2021-04-22T01:29:25 #kisslinux <helby> of course I did the same
2021-04-22T01:30:24 #kisslinux <helby> it's practically not even that hard how is it mentioned around the web
2021-04-22T01:30:57 #kisslinux <acheam> soon (tm) I'll switch from mailbox.org to selfhosting IMAP
2021-04-22T01:31:05 #kisslinux <acheam> SMTP i'll still probably outsource
2021-04-22T01:31:08 #kisslinux <acheam> just for deliverability
2021-04-22T01:31:20 #kisslinux <helby> yes, that's the main issue
2021-04-22T01:32:10 #kisslinux <helby> but that does not sound much as simple to use even another service for smpt
2021-04-22T01:32:14 #kisslinux <helby> smtp
2021-04-22T01:32:32 #kisslinux <helby> probably for the same cost as vps
2021-04-22T01:34:04 #kisslinux <helby> shit I remember I got even some spam score bc. of some .tld or age of domain
2021-04-22T01:34:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> barracuda thinks my ip address sends out spam for some reason
2021-04-22T01:35:15 #kisslinux <noocsharp> they're literally the only spam db thing that lists my ip
2021-04-22T01:44:41 #kisslinux <acheam> mailgun is pretty much free
2021-04-22T01:44:49 #kisslinux <acheam> at the rates i'd be using it
2021-04-22T02:03:38 #kisslinux <helby> I used it a lot one time
2021-04-22T02:04:13 #kisslinux <helby> but then not only some emails just get lost, without any error or anything in log, but ip got sometimes blacklisted
2021-04-22T02:04:34 #kisslinux <helby> I had to take care of it, to write mailgun support about it, then they changed ip ...
2021-04-22T02:04:56 #kisslinux <helby> so not much reliable that time for me
2021-04-22T02:05:30 #kisslinux <helby> but still probably liked it the most from all transactional email providers
2021-04-22T02:05:51 #kisslinux <helby> as other were usually full of bullshit
2021-04-22T02:13:06 #kisslinux <plzhelpboot> I reinstalled kiss, and got it to boot, but it stops mid boot and says "fb0: switching to amdgpumfb from EFI VGA"
2021-04-22T02:13:35 #kisslinux <plzhelpboot> How do I fix this and what information should I provide
2021-04-22T03:16:34 #kisslinux <acheam> "
2021-04-22T03:16:34 #kisslinux <acheam> PDF forms now support JavaScript embedded in PDF files. Some PDF forms use JavaScript for validation and other interactive features.
2021-04-22T03:16:35 #kisslinux <acheam> "
2021-04-22T03:16:45 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks a ton mozilla....
2021-04-22T03:20:22 #kisslinux <acheam> ah pdfjs.enableScripting in about:config
2021-04-22T03:47:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-22T03:48:36 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m]
2021-04-22T03:48:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: i think my POG LTO gcc is 180mb
2021-04-22T03:49:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> normal is 166
2021-04-22T08:30:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ah nvm i was comparing the wrong GCCs
2021-04-22T08:31:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> a normal (02) multilib gcc is 152MB and the LTO PGO one is 184MB
2021-04-22T08:32:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and a normal non-multilib is 141MB
2021-04-22T10:42:54 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> Hiii
2021-04-22T10:44:53 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> hello
2021-04-22T10:44:56 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> anyone?
2021-04-22T10:45:00 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> -_-
2021-04-22T10:45:09 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> __hi__
2021-04-22T10:45:17 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> *hi*
2021-04-22T10:45:21 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> hello?
2021-04-22T10:45:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh
2021-04-22T10:46:50 #kisslinux <miskatonic> I am kind of here, but not yetv a k1ss user... more of a general systemd hater looking into various alternatives
2021-04-22T10:47:42 #kisslinux <spryc> hi
2021-04-22T10:48:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-04-22T10:56:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> ok boost looks for libicudata.so with a specific version, so the icu update broke many things for me
2021-04-22T10:56:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> it couldn't find the old version
2021-04-22T10:56:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> that seems wrong
2021-04-22T10:56:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> that shouldn't be a problem
2021-04-22T10:56:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> right?
2021-04-22T10:57:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> icu breaks everything, didnt know boost links to icu since its not mentioned in deps file
2021-04-22T10:57:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> arghh
2021-04-22T10:58:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> testuser_[m]: it is in depends
2021-04-22T11:00:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> not in community repo, i guess it optionally links to it if installed
2021-04-22T11:01:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah yeah
2021-04-22T11:01:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what do you have icu installed for anyways
2021-04-22T11:02:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its only required by webkit and depends
2021-04-22T11:02:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> miktex :(
2021-04-22T11:02:15 #kisslinux <phoebos> shouldn't boost use the symlinkssss
2021-04-22T11:03:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> icu abi breaks with every release anyways
2021-04-22T11:03:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so it'd be broken even if it used the .so symlink instead of .so.68
2021-04-22T11:04:12 #kisslinux <miskatonic> would static compilation/linking help?
2021-04-22T11:08:24 #kisslinux <miskatonic> miktex on linux?
2021-04-22T11:16:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> yea
2021-04-22T11:16:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> not much fun
2021-04-22T11:38:47 #kisslinux <spryc> reinstalling rn :)
2021-04-22T11:43:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why?
2021-04-22T11:54:46 #kisslinux <spryc> because the filesystems were broke
2021-04-22T13:14:20 #kisslinux <m3g> Dang my kernel sure is bloated, 1200 =y 's
2021-04-22T13:15:00 #kisslinux <m3g> ... and 48 =m
2021-04-22T13:15:40 #kisslinux <m3g> Maybe I can strip away some more stuff, but I want all internals to either be functional or modularized on discretion
2021-04-22T14:47:11 #kisslinux <tink> you could also build a kernel with all the stuff you use rarely stripped out, which you would use as your daily driver while keeping your current kernel for backup. this way, all the functionality you could possibly need would be a reboot away.
2021-04-22T14:54:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I really need to learn awk
2021-04-22T14:54:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just spent the past few minutes writing an abomination of a shell script to set system time over HTTPS
2021-04-22T14:55:38 #kisslinux <miskatonic> why is a shellscript an abomination?
2021-04-22T14:56:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, where should I start?
2021-04-22T14:56:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it first uses a case statement as a lookup table to convert from human-readable months to numeric months, then uses a for loop to run a six-command pipeline to extract the day, year, and month
2021-04-22T14:56:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> er, time
2021-04-22T14:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> not month
2021-04-22T14:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-04-22T14:57:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway, point is, it's extremely redundant in a bad way
2021-04-22T14:57:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> but at least it works, and at least it's not ntp
2021-04-22T15:00:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> where are you getting time from if not an ntp server somewhere?
2021-04-22T15:01:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> extracting it from an https header
2021-04-22T15:01:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> converting it to `date`'s format
2021-04-22T15:01:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> in my case i'm just piggybacking off of SDF
2021-04-22T15:02:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the important thing isn't whether there's an NTP server somewhere down the line, the important thing is that I'm not connecting to one
2021-04-22T15:02:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you make a web request to a specific server and then parse the headers of the response?
2021-04-22T15:02:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the gist of it
2021-04-22T15:04:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> cron is set to run it at midnight so it should, in theory, keep me close enough to UTC, if not in lockstep.
2021-04-22T15:07:25 #kisslinux <kqz> lol i have to ask, why not just use ntp?
2021-04-22T15:08:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, in this case, it's a case of "I don't want to install more programs than needed"
2021-04-22T15:09:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but i've also heard that there's potential security issues with NTP.
2021-04-22T15:09:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> still reading about that bit
2021-04-22T15:10:54 #kisslinux <kqz> ah gotcha, yeah power to you then, interesting way to set system time for sure
2021-04-22T15:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally we'd all have atomic clocks wired into our machines
2021-04-22T15:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> but uh, I feel like that's not particularly feasible
2021-04-22T15:12:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> so this will do in the meantime
2021-04-22T15:46:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://computer.rip/2021-04-12-seeing-time.html
2021-04-22T15:47:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> >Computers are Bad
2021-04-22T15:47:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> hello, based department
2021-04-22T16:09:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=nvVafMi0l68
2021-04-22T16:10:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> for once LTT puts out a video that's not cringe
2021-04-22T17:16:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have a somewhat insane idea
2021-04-22T17:17:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS on an old e-reader
2021-04-22T19:39:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i have an old laptop, dell precision 3520, whose drive is password protected and i forget the password :'(
2021-04-22T19:39:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it'd be the most powerful machine i have if i could actually boot it up
2021-04-22T19:45:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't just swap the drive?
2021-04-22T19:46:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't have a drive to put in its place
2021-04-22T19:46:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> been booting a lubuntu usb up lol
2021-04-22T19:47:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> wipe the drive, then? idk
2021-04-22T20:04:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it uses Mcafee EPE
2021-04-22T20:05:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't think wiping or mounting can be done bleh
2021-04-22T21:13:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> new disk drives just showed up
2021-04-22T21:13:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> turns out that they do, in fact, need special cables
2021-04-22T21:14:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> why did you lie to me, internet?
2021-04-22T21:41:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> noocsharp: more spam, you say? not from me I'd hope...
2021-04-22T21:41:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's all from you, dilyn
2021-04-22T21:41:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-04-22T21:42:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop assaulting people with meat substitute
2021-04-22T21:42:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> unbecoming of a dictator
2021-04-22T21:46:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> what else am I gonna do with this botnet mid come on
2021-04-22T21:47:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine bitcoin
2021-04-22T21:47:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking obviously
2021-04-22T21:47:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-04-22T21:47:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> what's a dictator without a cheap and reliable source of income that they can force regular people into acquiring for them through force
2021-04-22T23:10:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...I can't believe I only just noticed that I said "force regular people into acquiring through force"...
2021-04-22T23:10:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to pay attention to what I'm typing. Christ.
2021-04-22T23:14:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> i pay attention to the things i pay attention paying to
2021-04-22T23:14:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> right, I'll have to try that next time I'm trying