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[2021-05-26T14:37:55Z] hi [2021-05-26T14:39:38Z] hi [2021-05-26T14:42:07Z] hi [2021-05-26T14:46:20Z] midfavila quit: Remote host closed the connection [2021-05-26T14:46:41Z] midfavila joined [2021-05-26T15:10:17Z] kqz quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer [2021-05-26T15:11:57Z] whitequark joined [2021-05-26T15:13:42Z] _whitelogger joined [2021-05-26T15:15:11Z] today in "what the fuck even is electromagnetism" [2021-05-26T15:15:24Z] putting load on my CPU, even a single core, solves the interference problem with my mic. [2021-05-26T15:16:33Z] kqz joined [2021-05-26T15:17:00Z] whitequark parted: [2021-05-26T15:20:48Z] ElKowar4 changed nick to ElKowar [2021-05-26T15:22:38Z] midfavila: laptop? [2021-05-26T15:24:16Z] nope [2021-05-26T15:24:18Z] desktop [2021-05-26T15:24:22Z] :^) [2021-05-26T15:24:29Z] I thougth only old cpus had the whine-problem, but it seems even newer intel cpu has the problem. Weird [2021-05-26T15:24:31Z] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000032539/processors/intel-core-processors.html [2021-05-26T15:24:47Z] I remember the was a package on arch fixing it on my thinkpad x200 [2021-05-26T15:25:02Z] sure, but the issue there is, [2021-05-26T15:25:25Z] wouldn't the CPU load only reduce interference if it was across all cores, or at least have a cumulative effect? [2021-05-26T15:25:39Z] whitequark is logging #kisslinux as of now: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/kisslinux [2021-05-26T15:25:58Z] as it stands, regardless of actual clocks, more load on even a single core is a marked reduction in interference... [2021-05-26T15:26:25Z] midfavila: not sure why, but it could perhaps be related to the psu at idle? I seem to have had that problem a few years back. [2021-05-26T15:27:03Z] that would be weird... [2021-05-26T15:27:06Z] well.. I think that's the solution to your problem. Constant compiling :) [2021-05-26T15:27:09Z] this is a 80+ gold unit [2021-05-26T15:27:15Z] and yeah, I make that joke earlier [2021-05-26T15:27:19Z] :p [2021-05-26T15:27:22Z] "whenever I need to call someone, I'll just cat random into null" [2021-05-26T15:27:39Z] hehe [2021-05-26T15:28:18Z] it could also have something to do with the physical proximity of the GPU and sound card... but... [2021-05-26T15:28:52Z] based on my rudimentary understanding of wave interaction, a higher-frequency wave doesn't jam a lower-frequency one. it.. kind of just ignores it. [2021-05-26T15:28:52Z] Yeah, that was my next thought, but that has not been a problem for many years.. newer designs seem to be pretty solid on most motherboards. [2021-05-26T15:29:10Z] well, this is a server board, fwiw. they're both discrete boards [2021-05-26T15:29:15Z] Perhaps a simple solution with a usb sound card? [2021-05-26T15:29:19Z] ew ew ew ew ew [2021-05-26T15:30:01Z] Perhaps a simple solution with a high end goldplated usb sound card? [2021-05-26T15:30:11Z] i'm using a high-end PCIe sound card . -. [2021-05-26T15:30:57Z] midfavila quit: Quit: Leaving. [2021-05-26T15:30:58Z] an external DAC may help with a lot of that interference [2021-05-26T15:31:18Z] midfavila joined [2021-05-26T15:31:34Z] yeah, but if he already has a expensive PCIe card.. [2021-05-26T15:32:12Z] a pci-e card in a very beefy two(?) socket mobo ;p [2021-05-26T15:32:23Z] * lastchansen looks at his expensive dusty unused DAC. [2021-05-26T15:32:36Z] yeah, two-socket. if it *is* the CPUs causing interference, then I'll have to work something out there... [2021-05-26T15:32:56Z] at this point I'm more curious than anything. [2021-05-26T15:33:48Z] yeah i had a similar issue about a few years ago with my internal soundcard, switched to a DAC and i can't hear any of that anymore, would reccommend 7/9 [2021-05-26T15:34:24Z] Eeh... [2021-05-26T15:34:41Z] hehe [2021-05-26T15:34:43Z] thing is, I'd need to invest in a ton of USB-based equipment at that point. which would entail investing in USB expansion boards. [2021-05-26T15:34:50Z] this motherboard hasn't got onboard audio. [2021-05-26T15:35:09Z] and only like four USB, two of which are already in use. [2021-05-26T15:35:13Z] ah yeah dealing with all the usb devices is a pain, I had to buy a pretty pricey usb hub just to fit everything [2021-05-26T15:35:48Z] another reason I think it might be the GPU is that even with the CPU under load, moving windows of different sizes produces corresponding interference [2021-05-26T15:35:55Z] i.e larger windows generate more interference [2021-05-26T15:37:47Z] mh [2021-05-26T15:37:57Z] this is so janky [2021-05-26T15:37:58Z] can you try moving it away? Maybe even with a riser? [2021-05-26T15:38:09Z] that's what I'm thinking I'll do, if it *is* the GPU [2021-05-26T15:38:24Z] well, if you say that moving windows and such changes the interference [2021-05-26T15:38:28Z] maybe try running some 3d program? [2021-05-26T15:38:32Z] get an external gpu enclosure! /s [2021-05-26T15:38:47Z] >use an external GPU enclosure for your SSI-EEB build in an ultra-tower, Mid [2021-05-26T15:38:50Z] #kisslinux moment [2021-05-26T15:38:54Z] hahahaha [2021-05-26T15:39:06Z] as if my rig doesn't already take up most of my living room [2021-05-26T15:39:22Z] that's an epico kisslinux moment too [2021-05-26T15:39:37Z] on the opposite end, i moved to an sff case, it's smaller than my toaster [2021-05-26T15:39:40Z] lmao I wrote epico, damn it muscle memory XD [2021-05-26T15:39:52Z] (and i imagine about the same size as most external gpu enclosures) [2021-05-26T15:39:53Z] no, the epic kisslinux moment was putting together a dual socket system so that I can build mesa and llvm faster [2021-05-26T15:39:59Z] lmao [2021-05-26T15:40:26Z] kqz: how do you deal with temps on that thing? [2021-05-26T15:40:31Z] probably water cooling [2021-05-26T15:40:35Z] yeah, that [2021-05-26T15:40:43Z] cool [2021-05-26T15:40:47Z] i don't like liquid-cooled systems [2021-05-26T15:40:49Z] they make me nervous [2021-05-26T15:40:53Z] same thing [2021-05-26T15:41:00Z] oh yeah it can be a nightmare for sure [2021-05-26T15:41:12Z] when i was first putting together the loop, after a few days, the first radiator i had **melted** [2021-05-26T15:41:23Z] how [2021-05-26T15:41:25Z] luckily i hadn't put anything in the case yet so nothing else got leaked on, but wow [2021-05-26T15:41:38Z] imma stick with my noctuas and fuckoff huge heatsinks kthx [2021-05-26T15:41:42Z] i'm still not too sure what happened, think just unlucky qa [2021-05-26T15:41:55Z] hopefully you were able to get your money back [2021-05-26T15:42:02Z] the current rad i have has been going without issue for over a year [2021-05-26T15:42:17Z] yeah I got it rma'd, it was an ek rad too, they're usually pretty awesome [2021-05-26T15:44:26Z] fun project though all-in-all, so much power in a tiny little package [2021-05-26T15:44:33Z] 3950x + 6900 xt and 64 gigs of ram :D [2021-05-26T15:44:46Z] oh wow [2021-05-26T15:45:01Z] a smol beast [2021-05-26T15:46:05Z] >mfw my ultra-tower is cucked by a SFF [2021-05-26T15:46:15Z] this injustice will not stand [2021-05-26T15:46:25Z] time to invest in 1.5tb of RAM [2021-05-26T15:46:30Z] yes [2021-05-26T15:46:34Z] ahaha [2021-05-26T15:46:38Z] crypto based on RAM when [2021-05-26T15:46:43Z] and use it as the main storage [2021-05-26T15:46:54Z] hyper fast ssd [2021-05-26T15:47:12Z] i mean, at that point, I would have more RAM than SSD space [2021-05-26T15:47:19Z] yes [2021-05-26T15:47:27Z] just remember to keep it powered and everything will be fine [2021-05-26T15:47:34Z] now I can finally play crysis in HD!!! [2021-05-26T15:47:40Z] CRAZY [2021-05-26T15:47:59Z] now I want 1.5 TB of ram too [2021-05-26T15:48:46Z] me and the boys depleting the ram market of all its supplies [2021-05-26T15:49:07Z] mid in here single-handedly causing another silicon shortage [2021-05-26T15:49:18Z] get dabbed on, third-world manufacturing plants. [2021-05-26T15:49:22Z] we do a little trolling [2021-05-26T15:52:09Z] kiedtl: thanks! [2021-05-26T15:52:25Z] little reminder to do the group reg [2021-05-26T15:53:43Z] oh kiedtl that's very cool! [2021-05-26T15:54:00Z] I really like that interface and the fact that it works well even without javascript [2021-05-26T16:01:06Z] riteo: yeah, and extra points for working in netsurf! [2021-05-26T16:01:15Z] netsurf is comfy [2021-05-26T16:01:27Z] sucks that it's kind of clunky-feeling. [2021-05-26T16:01:28Z] acheam: thanks, I sent the email yesterday, am waiting for a reply :) [2021-05-26T16:01:38Z] yeah, netsurf's UI is... primitive [2021-05-26T16:02:33Z] the bigger problem isn't that it's primitive [2021-05-26T16:02:46Z] it's that the actual rendering window does whatever the hell it wants [2021-05-26T16:03:05Z] like, it doesn't interact with the clipboard properly, for example [2021-05-26T16:03:13Z] and there's the weird scroll-by-dragging-the-cursor [2021-05-26T16:08:10Z] yup, that too [2021-05-26T16:08:27Z] NetSurf's CSS support isn't complete, but that'll get better in time [2021-05-26T16:10:29Z] what group reg [2021-05-26T16:10:56Z] not much what's group reg with you? [2021-05-26T16:12:15Z] oh damn [2021-05-26T16:12:18Z] get destroyed [2021-05-26T16:14:15Z] strajder quit: Quit: leaving [2021-05-26T16:14:23Z] testuser[m]: "project registration" in libera.chat speak [2021-05-26T16:15:14Z] see https://libera.chat/chanreg, section "Project registration" [2021-05-26T16:15:29Z] thebuzzing quit: Changing host [2021-05-26T16:15:29Z] thebuzzing joined [2021-05-26T16:16:03Z] oh [2021-05-26T16:17:15Z] kiedtl: thanks a ton! you keep this channel running like a well oiled machine [2021-05-26T16:20:19Z] thanks :) [2021-05-26T16:20:37Z] acheam: btw, did you stop updating the sotd? [2021-05-26T16:24:45Z] yeah [2021-05-26T16:24:56Z] I do it on occadion [2021-05-26T16:25:02Z] but not daily [2021-05-26T16:25:06Z] ah, i see [2021-05-26T16:25:39Z] ChanServ set the topic: KISS Linux | https://k1sslinux.org | "the meme has gone too far" | logs: https://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~phoebos/logs/ | song of the day: https://inv.skyn3t.in/lhVoP9CrlEU | word of the day: "ChanServ" [2021-05-26T16:43:40Z] midfavila-laptop joined [2021-05-26T16:48:40Z] midfavila quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [2021-05-26T16:58:10Z] goodbye, me [2021-05-26T17:14:20Z] mmatongo joined [2021-05-26T17:15:32Z] hello cool people [2021-05-26T17:16:15Z] hi! [2021-05-26T17:16:43Z] how are you [2021-05-26T17:17:29Z] decided to torture myself by trying to get wayland working on my laptop [2021-05-26T17:18:18Z] hows that going [2021-05-26T17:18:34Z] much torture, very fun [2021-05-26T17:18:37Z] how about you? [2021-05-26T17:19:27Z] I just spent 4 days using macOS [2021-05-26T17:19:39Z] you're not going to ditch us now, are you...? [2021-05-26T17:20:28Z] no no, I just wanted to get familiar with it in case I have to use it for anything. [2021-05-26T17:22:32Z] tl;dr it's like linux but shit [2021-05-26T17:22:55Z] open a terminal and you'll be fine. [2021-05-26T17:23:00Z] so much shit [2021-05-26T17:23:18Z] I only felt safe with the terminal on [2021-05-26T17:23:22Z] open [2021-05-26T17:23:59Z] sad_plan quit: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [2021-05-26T17:24:09Z] excuse you, it's like FreeBSD but shit [2021-05-26T17:24:27Z] get it right at least [2021-05-26T17:24:49Z] how similar are they, I know apple uses darwin over linux [2021-05-26T17:25:05Z] mmatongo: darwin contains a lot of code from freebsd [2021-05-26T17:25:23Z] almost all the command line tools in macOS are from FreeBSD [2021-05-26T17:25:45Z] I think the entire networking stack was lifted off of freebsd [2021-05-26T17:25:54Z] geez [2021-05-26T17:26:49Z] sad_plan joined [2021-05-26T17:26:56Z] I need to try a bsd [2021-05-26T17:27:25Z] Odd though, is it good as a daily driver? [2021-05-26T17:27:37Z] OpenBSD <3 [2021-05-26T17:28:30Z] j\une has spoken [2021-05-26T17:28:37Z] *june [2021-05-26T17:29:59Z] ensure that it supports your hardware and wifi card first [2021-05-26T17:30:47Z] Wait what [2021-05-26T17:30:51Z] june freebsd is already shit [2021-05-26T17:31:03Z] * midfavila-laptop dabs [2021-05-26T17:31:12Z] isn't that built into the kernel [2021-05-26T17:33:55Z] mmatongo: freebsd can't support every hardware item in existance [2021-05-26T17:34:07Z] paradigm parted: [2021-05-26T17:34:09Z] gotta make sure the drivers are there [2021-05-26T17:34:27Z] paradigm joined [2021-05-26T17:36:37Z] midfavila-laptop: you hearing this shit [2021-05-26T17:36:39Z] yeah hardware support, especially on laptops, is slim compared to linux [2021-05-26T17:38:28Z] hardware support is slim compared to linux* [2021-05-26T17:39:07Z] What even does that mean, who doesnt own a laptop [2021-05-26T17:39:36Z] gaymerz [2021-05-26T17:39:51Z] anyone who needs to get actual work done, beyond typing documents [2021-05-26T17:40:11Z] just dont expect good nvidia or high speed wireless suppory [2021-05-26T17:43:04Z] june, it's a no from me. [2021-05-26T17:45:23Z] ..did you check if they have drivers for your hardware? [2021-05-26T17:45:50Z] You don't need to say 'no' just because their hardware support is slim, it won't matter if they have your drivers [2021-05-26T17:46:51Z] well if AC wireless for example, Is a requirement (it is for me) then that can be an auto no without needing to check suppory [2021-05-26T17:46:56Z] among other things [2021-05-26T17:49:15Z] I feel like I shouldn't have to research my hardware [2021-05-26T17:49:30Z] then go use windows [2021-05-26T17:49:35Z] or buy a mac [2021-05-26T17:49:47Z] ^^ [2021-05-26T17:49:55Z] it's not like you never have to do that with linux [2021-05-26T17:50:02Z] "not having to research your hardware" didn't become normal until like windows vista/7 [2021-05-26T17:50:19Z] if you think having to know the chipset of your wireless card is bad, wait until you have to fuck around with IRQs [2021-05-26T17:50:27Z] kids these days, kiedtl [2021-05-26T17:50:27Z] smh [2021-05-26T17:50:29Z] I'm good mid [2021-05-26T17:50:55Z] back in *my* day, you had to make sure your *monitor* supported your video card [2021-05-26T17:50:57Z] My laptop came with linux preinstalled [2021-05-26T17:51:10Z] o_O is that the pinebook? [2021-05-26T17:51:49Z] no [2021-05-26T17:52:51Z] wait, are we doing sarcasm? [2021-05-26T17:54:39Z] Ya'll gotta warn me [2021-05-26T17:55:07Z] OpenBSD runs well on approximately the same machines that Linux runs well on. thinkpads, macbooks, dell xps (I think) [2021-05-26T17:55:12Z] the apostrophe comes before the a btw [2021-05-26T17:55:45Z] "you all" => "y'all" [2021-05-26T17:55:51Z] hot take [2021-05-26T17:56:02Z] ahhhh I see, thanks [2021-05-26T17:56:03Z] if your OS doesn't support common desktop hardware, 'tis a toy OS [2021-05-26T17:56:45Z] I think there are better things to care about in an OS than support for some crummy hardware [2021-05-26T17:56:57Z] Are you calling BSD a toy Os [2021-05-26T17:57:20Z] hot take: if your hardware doesn't support your OS, it's toy hardware [2021-05-26T17:57:21Z] install gentoo [2021-05-26T17:57:29Z] noocsharp++| [2021-05-26T17:57:46Z] considering the last time I installed BSD on real hardware, it lacked support for my mouse, I didn't leave with a very good impression. [2021-05-26T17:58:05Z] sounds like a pretty bad mouse [2021-05-26T17:58:12Z] :P [2021-05-26T17:58:17Z] just an older kensington trackball. [2021-05-26T17:58:52Z] really must be a shitty mouse. USB HID is pretty universal [2021-05-26T17:59:02Z] it was PS/2. [2021-05-26T17:59:14Z] don't @ me. [2021-05-26T17:59:37Z] then it really must be shitty, because i can't imagine bsd doesn't have ps2 support [2021-05-26T18:00:05Z] * midfavila-laptop shrugs [2021-05-26T18:00:20Z] Mouse works just fine everywhere else. [2021-05-26T18:01:06Z] DOS through win10, linux since pre-2.6, and MacOS. [2021-05-26T18:01:22Z] really though complaining that your hardware isn't supported by an OS is backwards. you bought the wrong hardware. [2021-05-26T18:01:55Z] That's a very narrow way of looking at it [2021-05-26T18:02:04Z] Why am I buying specific hardware for a single OS [2021-05-26T18:02:05Z] my hardware works just fine everywhere *but* the BSDs. [2021-05-26T18:02:05Z] ^^ [2021-05-26T18:02:10Z] it's like complaining that the couch you bought doesn't fit in your apartment [2021-05-26T18:02:27Z] your apartment is the hardware, the couch is the software :) [2021-05-26T18:02:28Z] it's the chicken and egg question -- did you buy the hardware to fit the OS or did you choose the OS based on your hardware [2021-05-26T18:02:32Z] it's comfy to sit on [2021-05-26T18:02:40Z] I was gonna say, if the apartment doesn't fit my couch, it's a shitty apartment. [2021-05-26T18:02:46Z] lolol [2021-05-26T18:02:53Z] the failing of the apartment has no bearing on my couch. [2021-05-26T18:03:02Z] right, that's the attitude [2021-05-26T18:03:10Z] Mostly it doesn't make much sense to complain about one thing not supporting another thing if one wasn't intended to support the other, or if another is a item [2021-05-26T18:03:15Z] Which depends on context, etc [2021-05-26T18:03:36Z] I'm a little surprised at BSDs not supporting that trackball though [2021-05-26T18:05:23Z] i was kind of surprised too. it's not like it's exotic hardware [2021-05-26T18:05:49Z] kensington 64215 serial/PS/2, four buttons. [2021-05-26T18:06:00Z] GalaxyNova joined [2021-05-26T18:06:15Z] you plug it into the keyboard ps/2 port accidentally? lmao [2021-05-26T18:06:26Z] = w= [2021-05-26T18:08:08Z] june: dell xps isnt as good as think pad but its pretty good [2021-05-26T18:08:15Z] eh [2021-05-26T18:08:21Z] ngl I prefer the latitudes over the XPSes [2021-05-26T18:08:26Z] I had to swap out my WiFi card to get it to run on dragonfly bsd [2021-05-26T18:08:33Z] the XPS feels more prosumer than business [2021-05-26T18:08:43Z] nerditup has a page on 9360, which is what I have [2021-05-26T18:08:53Z] midfavila-laptop: that's because it is [2021-05-26T18:08:57Z] lol [2021-05-26T18:09:06Z] look, what do you expect from me [2021-05-26T18:09:10Z] up to date knowledge on consumer hardware? [2021-05-26T18:09:11Z] please [2021-05-26T18:09:15Z] yes. [2021-05-26T18:09:22Z] be a conzooomer [2021-05-26T18:09:28Z] everything I own is obsolete, military, or industrial [2021-05-26T18:09:43Z] wait you own things? [2021-05-26T18:09:48Z] like two things [2021-05-26T18:09:51Z] sad_plan quit: Quit: Quit [2021-05-26T18:09:52Z] sounds like consumerism to me [2021-05-26T18:09:57Z] let's get those numbers down [2021-05-26T18:10:06Z] fuck you're right [2021-05-26T18:11:24Z] :P [2021-05-26T18:11:55Z] ...oh boy, kernel panic with "processor context corrupt" [2021-05-26T18:12:01Z] today just keeps getting more and more exciting [2021-05-26T18:13:04Z] must be that toy OS you're running! [2021-05-26T18:13:15Z] noocsharp quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [2021-05-26T18:14:19Z] nope, just fucking with kernel parameters. [2021-05-26T18:16:18Z] claudia joined [2021-05-26T18:17:39Z] I remember looking at XPS a while ago, but didn't buy bc it had soldered ram [2021-05-26T18:19:42Z] noocsharp joined [2021-05-26T18:21:10Z] claudia quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-26T18:22:00Z] gtms joined [2021-05-26T18:23:35Z] midfavila joined [2021-05-26T18:24:59Z] yeah [2021-05-26T18:25:13Z] could you have slapped that sense into me when I bought it? [2021-05-26T18:26:29Z] amd chads, I kneel. apparently intel chips being whiny is a known phenomenon [2021-05-26T18:27:33Z] well you already have lots of experience with whining [2021-05-26T18:27:39Z] uwu [2021-05-26T18:27:46Z] midfavila quit: Remote host closed the connection [2021-05-26T18:27:48Z] goteem [2021-05-26T18:27:56Z] amd cpus come with the best coolers [2021-05-26T18:28:10Z] midfavila joined [2021-05-26T18:28:43Z] midfavila-laptop quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [2021-05-26T18:37:47Z] claudia joined [2021-05-26T18:39:32Z] mmatongo quit: Quit: [2021-05-26T18:52:15Z] https://glimpse-editor.org/posts/a-project-on-hiatus/ [2021-05-26T18:57:30Z] midfavila: so you're learning towards my intel whine theory? I think there is a fix for that on linux [2021-05-26T18:57:37Z] leaning [2021-05-26T18:57:42Z] oh, not leaning [2021-05-26T18:57:43Z] that was it [2021-05-26T18:57:46Z] and i already fixed it [2021-05-26T18:58:21Z] :D [2021-05-26T18:58:23Z] cool! [2021-05-26T18:58:25Z] how? [2021-05-26T18:59:03Z] disable frequency scaling. [2021-05-26T18:59:21Z] and then lock the C state to 1. still unsure of the long-term effects of that. [2021-05-26T18:59:43Z] is that a bios setting? [2021-05-26T19:00:04Z] freq. scaling was BIOS [2021-05-26T19:00:11Z] the C state forcing is a kernel param [2021-05-26T19:00:20Z] yeah, okay :) [2021-05-26T19:00:27Z] intel_idle.max_cstate=1 [2021-05-26T19:34:08Z] gtms quit: Remote host closed the connection [2021-05-26T19:34:21Z] gtms joined [2021-05-26T19:34:50Z] gtms quit: Remote host closed the connection [2021-05-26T19:35:03Z] gtms joined [2021-05-26T19:35:23Z] gtms quit: Remote host closed the connection [2021-05-26T19:35:36Z] gtms joined [2021-05-26T19:35:38Z] gtms quit: Remote host closed the connection [2021-05-26T19:35:52Z] gtms joined [2021-05-26T20:08:56Z] honeyedbee joined [2021-05-26T20:22:18Z] Uks2 quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [2021-05-26T20:22:40Z] Uks2 joined [2021-05-26T20:23:07Z] dilyn joined [2021-05-26T20:23:25Z] imagine owning intel silicon [2021-05-26T20:23:41Z] nobully [2021-05-26T20:27:45Z] jaafarrc joined [2021-05-26T20:28:13Z] Long time no see, guys. [2021-05-26T20:41:04Z] Hexorg_ quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-26T20:48:41Z] jaafarrc quit: Quit: Quit [2021-05-26T20:49:29Z] gtms quit: Remote host closed the connection [2021-05-26T21:18:34Z] claudia quit: Quit: zzz [2021-05-26T21:19:05Z] claudia joined [2021-05-26T21:48:37Z] Hexorg_ joined [2021-05-26T22:03:38Z] Hexorg__ joined [2021-05-26T22:08:06Z] Hexorg_ quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-26T22:17:27Z] claudia quit: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [2021-05-26T22:27:02Z] Hexorg_ joined [2021-05-26T22:30:46Z] Hexorg__ quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-26T22:35:08Z] cmake is such overkill for libxml. wtf gnome [2021-05-26T22:35:43Z] baby me used cmake for a single file program [2021-05-26T22:35:50Z] it had 2 cmakelists [2021-05-26T22:36:21Z] I was rather inexperienced just a few months ago [2021-05-26T22:36:53Z] :< [2021-05-26T22:37:05Z] but now acheam is a big boy who don't need no cmake [2021-05-26T22:37:13Z] uSe MeSoN [2021-05-26T22:37:25Z] I use POSIX make now because I'm a big boy [2021-05-26T22:37:44Z] but bmake make kind of sucks ngl [2021-05-26T22:37:56Z] much less powerful than gmake [2021-05-26T22:38:55Z] 30s build time with ./configure && make; 44s build time with cmake. fuck [2021-05-26T22:39:09Z] take that [2021-05-26T22:39:15Z] for libxml? [2021-05-26T22:39:22Z] and that's *assuming* the user already had cmake installed. [2021-05-26T22:39:24Z] yeah [2021-05-26T22:39:29Z] no [2021-05-26T22:39:32Z] 36s with ninja tho [2021-05-26T22:39:37Z] :V :V :V :V :V [2021-05-26T22:39:40Z] you have to factor in cmake compile time [2021-05-26T22:39:50Z] yeah it's gonna take 2 days to update libxml2 basically [2021-05-26T22:39:58Z] yes. [2021-05-26T22:40:02Z] correct. [2021-05-26T22:40:12Z] there's a reason people say XML is shit [2021-05-26T22:40:20Z] it would be more okay if it had a dependency that required cmake. but it don't. [2021-05-26T22:45:05Z] i don't even have it installed anymore [2021-05-26T22:45:17Z] don't remember what i used that it was a dependency of [2021-05-26T22:47:24Z] xml has been overused in many many ways [2021-05-26T22:47:33Z] the better question is how does an xml parser take 30 seconds to compile at all? [2021-05-26T22:47:44Z] i remember being extremely upset when I learned that SAML is a thing. [2021-05-26T22:48:12Z] what's SAML? [2021-05-26T22:48:14Z] "yeah, uh, XML? let's use it to authenticate people." [2021-05-26T22:48:14Z] "good idea." [2021-05-26T22:48:17Z] that's SAML. [2021-05-26T22:48:19Z] oh god [2021-05-26T22:48:37Z] IMO it doesn't do its job that well either [2021-05-26T22:48:50Z] the only time I actually like XML is when it's used for game modding [2021-05-26T22:48:58Z] Do you want something really fast? Binary format [2021-05-26T22:49:14Z] do you want something human readable? JSON or even YAML if you're into that mess [2021-05-26T22:49:30Z] xml is like right in between, having the worse of both worse [2021-05-26T22:49:38Z] worlds* [2021-05-26T22:49:43Z] use scheme. smh. [2021-05-26T22:49:54Z] s expressions [2021-05-26T22:50:22Z] noocsharp yeah sorry, I couldn't think fast one that wouldn't change everything tooo [2021-05-26T22:50:27Z] s/tooo/too/ [2021-05-26T22:50:35Z] s/too/two/ [2021-05-26T22:50:45Z] s/two/toe/ [2021-05-26T22:52:09Z] claudia joined [2021-05-26T22:52:27Z] But you need cmake anywas for so much stuff [2021-05-26T22:55:03Z] do you even need it when you go from fresh install to `kiss b qt5-webengine`? [2021-05-26T22:56:06Z] we need a nice dependency tree grapher for an arbitrary package [2021-05-26T22:56:22Z] it is nonobvious to me that cmake would appear at any point building any of the packages that require libxml2 :X [2021-05-26T22:56:42Z] if it DID, I'd be more okay with it [2021-05-26T22:59:18Z] you'd have to make sure the depends files are accurate [2021-05-26T22:59:39Z] unless you mean a different way of identifying dependencies [2021-05-26T23:01:27Z] most of our depends files are 100% accurate [2021-05-26T23:01:37Z] the few that aren't are missing small make deps like linux-headers & pkgconf [2021-05-26T23:01:56Z] which wouldn't really be the ones you'd be interested in seeing anyways [2021-05-26T23:02:17Z] yeah terminal nodes are the most borings features of this sort of graph [2021-05-26T23:03:18Z] lol that reminds me i was looking at the Ropes data structure a bit ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_(data_structure) [2021-05-26T23:03:57Z] that's cute... [2021-05-26T23:03:59Z] the splitting of the graph i just can /not/ wrap my head around how to do it [2021-05-26T23:04:00Z] graphs are fun [2021-05-26T23:04:08Z] lolg /shrug [2021-05-26T23:04:55Z] What'm I doing wrong? Everytime I run make on my kernel config it throws an error about objtool... [2021-05-26T23:05:31Z] carlosdavidepto joined [2021-05-26T23:05:48Z] Can you post the full log to something like ix.io so we can see the error? [2021-05-26T23:06:34Z] Yeah, One second. [2021-05-26T23:06:37Z] nim's thoughts on dependency tracking: https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/issues/890 [2021-05-26T23:07:46Z] this has a lot of funny symbols that might be helpful, i dunno: https://research.swtch.com/version-sat [2021-05-26T23:08:11Z] just deleted a statusbar script I've been working on for a couple hours, big oof [2021-05-26T23:08:24Z] fortunately I would recover it from /proc//fd [2021-05-26T23:08:31Z] could* [2021-05-26T23:08:32Z] https://termbin.com/mhqz - I think this is the whole thing. [2021-05-26T23:08:49Z] how would one do that on obsd I wonder [2021-05-26T23:16:02Z] honeyedbee take a look here: https://k1sslinux.org/news/20210507a [2021-05-26T23:16:33Z] Ah. I came from arch, you'd think I'd know to check the dang news feed! [2021-05-26T23:16:52Z] no worries, it's tripped up a bunch of us :) [2021-05-26T23:17:37Z] Thanks. I appreciate the help. [2021-05-26T23:18:00Z] sure, welcome btw! [2021-05-26T23:18:23Z] claudia quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer [2021-05-26T23:19:23Z] claudia joined [2021-05-26T23:24:26Z] of course recursive dependency resolution is NP complete. why tf wouldn't it be [2021-05-26T23:24:40Z] this is why we are a simple distro with <<1k packages :v [2021-05-26T23:25:17Z] did I hear someone say "let's rewrite kiss in scheme"? [2021-05-26T23:28:47Z] Thanks for the welcome too! I've been lurking. But a lot of stuff tends to go over my head, so I just hang around in case the smart rubs off. [2021-05-26T23:29:04Z] claudia quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-26T23:31:59Z] claudia joined [2021-05-26T23:35:47Z] dilyn: I agree that using cmake is overkill. But you would need it anyways to build webkit2gtk, firefox, falkon or chromium. [2021-05-26T23:35:58Z] So its in your basic tooling anyway. [2021-05-26T23:37:46Z] uuuhhmmmm [2021-05-26T23:37:50Z] So I view it not to use libxml directly but I need it to build other stuff. [2021-05-26T23:38:47Z] you certainly do need cmake to build other things, but... hm [2021-05-26T23:39:02Z] chromium doesn't require cmake btw. or at least, it shouldn't, afaik [2021-05-26T23:39:05Z] I apreciate your idealism and I think its right [2021-05-26T23:39:06Z] solution: don't use XML :P [2021-05-26T23:39:29Z] the biggest downfall of wayfire is that it requires xml >=| [2021-05-26T23:39:34Z] would prefer yaml ffs [2021-05-26T23:39:39Z] wayland itself requires xml [2021-05-26T23:39:39Z] chromium -> libjpeg-turbo [2021-05-26T23:39:44Z] hng [2021-05-26T23:39:47Z] right. [2021-05-26T23:39:49Z] we are cursed [2021-05-26T23:39:51Z] gooooooddddddd [2021-05-26T23:39:52Z] IMO yaml is a mess too [2021-05-26T23:40:17Z] better than XML, but it has way too many ways of doing the same thing [2021-05-26T23:40:18Z] just parse plaintext amirite [2021-05-26T23:40:32Z] JSON hits the sweet spot imo [2021-05-26T23:40:40Z] it's very very simple and extremely readable [2021-05-26T23:40:46Z] i don't know why more people dont use s-expressions [2021-05-26T23:40:48Z] But hosting a makefile in the repo is messy. And hosting it somewhere only for this one seems also overkilled. [2021-05-26T23:40:57Z] its like the most flexible thing there is, and its simple [2021-05-26T23:41:16Z] noocsharp, oh, you weren't talking about sed expressions? Now I'm feeling stupid, sorry for ignoring you [2021-05-26T23:41:24Z] I've never heard of them [2021-05-26T23:41:39Z] lisp programs are s expressions [2021-05-26T23:42:19Z] oh [2021-05-26T23:42:27Z] wouldn't that make it all turing complete and very complex to parse? [2021-05-26T23:42:34Z]