[2021-07-12T02:08:18Z] <micr0> GalaxyNova: you can see the commit where dylan updated the new site in github. dont have it handy, but yeah, he removed that section (which makes me happy)
[2021-07-12T02:12:18Z] <micr0> its kinda hard to find the commit because most messages are 'update' but im sure theres some git-fu to find the last commit that removed a line
[2021-07-12T02:13:38Z] <kyxor> okay I am done with this wayland stuff for today, I set it up in a new kiss install with sway, and I run sway and get a segfault, amazing
[2021-07-12T02:16:55Z] <kyxor> I mean I did learn a few new things trying to get it to work, but like why in the hell can't i run sway as root, it's my hardware I should be able to do what I want. Okay I patched that stupidity out, still segfaults every time and i can't get a decent stack trace because everytime i attach gdb it just freezes why whole system in a hard lock
[2021-07-12T02:17:08Z] <micr0> searching for lines removed: git log -c -S'text to search for, i think case-sensitive'
[2021-07-12T02:19:40Z] <kyxor> I think it also thew an error saying xkbcommon ERROR failed to add default inlude path, then some non existand X11 directory, pretty weird, not sure if its related to segfault or not
[2021-07-12T02:20:22Z] <dilyn> possibly 
[2021-07-12T02:24:02Z] <kyxor> Anyways I propably messed something up as usual, back to good old X11 for now.
[2021-07-12T03:13:18Z] <ehawk> If anyone wants to keep using X, I forked Dylan's man repo before he made the switch to wayland
[2021-07-12T03:13:52Z] <ehawk> It's available at https://github.com/ehawkvu/kiss-xorg
[2021-07-12T03:39:07Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-07-12T04:16:38Z] <dilyn> https://git.sr.ht/~lattis/muon this project has advanced so much more (and faster!) than boson
[2021-07-12T04:16:49Z] <dilyn> shame it's gpl :(  otherwise I'd hop right on it
[2021-07-12T04:16:54Z] <dilyn> maybe dylan should look at it (: 
[2021-07-12T04:32:33Z] <akira01> hey guys
[2021-07-12T06:35:24Z] <GalaxyNova> Do i need xf86 packages on wayland?
[2021-07-12T06:40:20Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2021-07-12T07:04:27Z] <phoebos[m]> dilyn: does links2 still have a place in community? if so, i'll take it
[2021-07-12T07:05:19Z] <GalaxyNova> btw why does community drop packages instead of just leaving them as is
[2021-07-12T07:05:25Z] <GalaxyNova> if the packages build then why remove them
[2021-07-12T07:06:40Z] <testuser[m]> Outdated
[2021-07-12T07:06:46Z] <GalaxyNova> so what?
[2021-07-12T07:07:04Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> GalaxyNova: if there is a new version of the packet, but no one willing to package it
[2021-07-12T07:07:08Z] <GalaxyNova> even if it's oudated it's probably still way ahead of debian packages lol
[2021-07-12T07:07:08Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> why keep the package ? 
[2021-07-12T07:07:31Z] <GalaxyNova> so users don't have to go digging through git log to find it
[2021-07-12T07:07:44Z] <GalaxyNova> it would also mean people could git --depth 1 without worrying
[2021-07-12T08:52:51Z] <claudia> kyxor: Look at kiss-manifest xkeyboard-config. I think I encountered this problem too, altough I did a kiss-reset.
[2021-07-12T08:53:12Z] <claudia> Just rebuilding ykeyboard-config or libxkbcommon and the issue was gone.
[2021-07-12T08:58:49Z] <schillingklaus> is ykeyboard a wayland thing?
[2021-07-12T09:04:10Z] <testuser[m]> No, ykeyboard is a typo
[2021-07-12T09:05:19Z] <claudia> haha, apologies :D
[2021-07-12T10:11:09Z] <foomar> Has anyone here successfully built netsurf? I'm trying to leave firefox and compiling webkit2gtk on my 2 core 2 GB of RAM machine takes literally a full day
[2021-07-12T10:12:26Z] <foomar> I found an old package in the graveyard for netsurf-fb but it's not working for me
[2021-07-12T10:58:33Z] <claudia> foomar: doo a 'kiss-manifest perl' . You have to sync the perl version in the build file. http://ix.io/3sJY
[2021-07-12T10:59:12Z] <claudia> Btw you can change 'framebuffer' to 'gkt3' to build the gtk3 frontend
[2021-07-12T12:02:58Z] <dilyn> GalaxyNova: a package that isn't being updated is 1) a potential security risk, and 2) shows that whoever was originally interested in it, no longer is. 'Maintainer' means just that :)  
[2021-07-12T12:03:10Z] <dilyn> No good reason to have a repository full of packages nobody is interested in
[2021-07-12T12:03:23Z] <dilyn> phoebos: it certainly probably perhaps still has a place
[2021-07-12T13:21:35Z] <phoebos[m]> certainly probably perhaps will do
[2021-07-12T14:17:32Z] <soliwilos> Wayland image viewer: https://github.com/artemsen/swayimg ..though it uses sway's ipc for some things, perhaps not too hard ripping those bits out.
[2021-07-12T14:36:34Z] <acheam> I would just like to point out that libass has a file called ass_shaper.c
[2021-07-12T14:36:36Z] <acheam> that is all
[2021-07-12T14:36:49Z] <acheam> yes, I am very mature
[2021-07-12T14:41:13Z] <testuser[m]> lol
[2021-07-12T14:41:21Z] <testuser[m]> i noticed it in dylan's patches
[2021-07-12T14:41:56Z] <schillingklaus> not to confuse with dilyn's patches
[2021-07-12T14:42:16Z] <acheam> ye i'm stealing them for asd lol
[2021-07-12T14:46:10Z] <acheam> hmm time to see if I even need libinput
[2021-07-12T14:51:56Z] <dilyn> unless you're doing something special, wayland needs libinput :v 
[2021-07-12T14:52:52Z] <schillingklaus> what would be something special?
[2021-07-12T14:52:52Z] <testuser[m]> dilyn what will happen to k1sslinux.org
[2021-07-12T14:53:08Z] <testuser[m]> patching
[2021-07-12T14:53:20Z] <dilyn> something special would be... implementing your own system for capturing and translating inputs 
[2021-07-12T14:53:25Z] <dilyn> testuser: idk
[2021-07-12T14:54:03Z] <schillingklaus> sounds cool. Maybe this can be used to work around the security paranoia of wayland
[2021-07-12T14:55:30Z] <acheam> dilyn: not using wayland :)
[2021-07-12T14:56:40Z] <schillingklaus> yeah wayland only spells trouble, so I stick with x11
[2021-07-12T14:57:41Z] <acheam> i'm really interested in wayland, but just cant find the right compositor for me
[2021-07-12T14:57:58Z] <testuser[m]> Make it
[2021-07-12T14:58:06Z] <omanom> wayfire is pretty nice, in my opinion
[2021-07-12T14:58:32Z] <schillingklaus> wayfire is only nice for people who like mice
[2021-07-12T14:58:47Z] <omanom> my hesitation is i use a lot of remote X stuff and i don't want to have to have a nested X solution alongside the wayland install
[2021-07-12T14:59:06Z] <acheam> testuser[m]: hehe maybe
[2021-07-12T14:59:16Z] <acheam> wayfire seems nice but bloated
[2021-07-12T14:59:17Z] <acheam> also c++
[2021-07-12T14:59:38Z] <acheam> I just need a damn simple but highly patchable/configurable floating or dynamic tiling WM
[2021-07-12T15:00:01Z] <schillingklaus> I need sopmething controlled exclusively by keyboard and scripts
[2021-07-12T15:00:43Z] <omanom> you don't have to enable all the plugins for wayfire
[2021-07-12T15:00:55Z] <acheam> its still c++
[2021-07-12T15:01:01Z] <acheam> and a /lot/ of code
[2021-07-12T15:01:19Z] <dilyn> wayfire isn't bloated 
[2021-07-12T15:01:40Z] <omanom> is there an alternative to xdotool "yet"?  like https://github.com/ReimuNotMoe/ydotool maybe
[2021-07-12T15:02:45Z] <acheam> i'm trying to reduce the amount of c++ programs on my computer
[2021-07-12T15:02:51Z] <acheam> right now its 14
[2021-07-12T15:03:05Z] <dilyn> 'pay for it or fork it' oooohhhh nnnnooooooo
[2021-07-12T15:03:15Z] <acheam> what is this?
[2021-07-12T15:03:30Z] <testuser[m]> Feature requests i guess
[2021-07-12T15:03:34Z] <dilyn> this is a developer complaining that their application is not receiving any $ 
[2021-07-12T15:04:08Z] <acheam> lol what project?
[2021-07-12T15:04:17Z] <dilyn> ydotool
[2021-07-12T15:04:21Z] <omanom> the ydotool one above
[2021-07-12T15:04:39Z] <testuser[m]> acheam do you plan on removing gcc ? :p
[2021-07-12T15:04:54Z] <acheam> testuser[m]: I use llvm
[2021-07-12T15:04:59Z] <acheam> so... yes
[2021-07-12T15:05:02Z] <testuser[m]> C++
[2021-07-12T15:05:04Z] <acheam> i know
[2021-07-12T15:05:05Z] <acheam> but i mean
[2021-07-12T15:05:07Z] <testuser[m]> It's even a bigger monster
[2021-07-12T15:05:08Z] <acheam> what else is there
[2021-07-12T15:05:25Z] <acheam> i prioritize nongnu over that
[2021-07-12T15:05:28Z] <schillingklaus> a knife is just a knife, a spoon is just a spoon, but forks are dilyn's best friends
[2021-07-12T15:05:33Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-07-12T15:05:53Z] <acheam> if there was another C compiler that could compile Linux, i'd use it
[2021-07-12T15:06:13Z] <schillingklaus> what is missing in cproc?
[2021-07-12T15:06:19Z] <acheam> gnu extensions
[2021-07-12T15:06:51Z] <soliwilos> acheam: Tried hikari?
[2021-07-12T15:06:55Z] <schillingklaus> could the kernel be forked and patched in a way that avoids gnu extensions?
[2021-07-12T15:07:06Z] <testuser[m]> kernel is written in GCC
[2021-07-12T15:07:07Z] <testuser[m]> not C
[2021-07-12T15:07:10Z] <testuser[m]> So it'll take a lot of work
[2021-07-12T15:07:11Z] <acheam> want to rewrite 3 million lines of code?
[2021-07-12T15:07:29Z] <acheam> soliwilos: i've looked into it, but haven't given it a fair shot
[2021-07-12T15:07:43Z] <acheam> the makefile needs to be patched to support gmake, which is about as far as I got with it
[2021-07-12T15:07:50Z] <testuser[m]> Use of extensions becomes necessary i guess if the language is too limited in itself
[2021-07-12T15:08:06Z] <acheam> but I think i'll hold off on wayland until I find a replacement for things like xbanish, and the other little xorg tools I sue
[2021-07-12T15:08:10Z] <acheam> s/sue/use/
[2021-07-12T15:08:10Z] <acheam> g
[2021-07-12T15:08:32Z] <cem> acheam: xbanish-like functionality is implemented in sway
[2021-07-12T15:08:45Z] <dbz> kernel user to compile fine with clang, not sure about now
[2021-07-12T15:08:48Z] <acheam> cem: oh nice
[2021-07-12T15:09:04Z] <acheam> dbz: it compiles with clang
[2021-07-12T15:09:15Z] <acheam> just need to build it with "make LLVM=1 LLVM_IAS=1"
[2021-07-12T15:09:20Z] <acheam> it even support clang LTO and stuff
[2021-07-12T15:11:10Z] <schillingklaus> abandon linux kernel altogether infavour of e.g. a kernel equivalent part of openbsd? or minix? no, spells other kinds of troubles
[2021-07-12T15:11:16Z] <dbz> oh nice, never looked into LTO, not sure the possible performance gains are worth the trouble lol
[2021-07-12T15:11:27Z] <acheam> argh I can't find any C, nongnu aspell alternative
[2021-07-12T15:11:36Z] <acheam> hunspell is the best that I can find but its c++
[2021-07-12T15:11:50Z] <acheam> schillingklaus: hardware support
[2021-07-12T15:11:59Z] <acheam> minix is unusable on the desktop
[2021-07-12T15:12:09Z] <acheam> netbsd kernel might be nice though
[2021-07-12T15:12:22Z] <acheam> wait actually thats a good idea
[2021-07-12T15:12:32Z] <acheam> because I know my hardware is supported by netbsd
[2021-07-12T15:12:40Z] <acheam> with the exception of wireless being limited to N, not AC
[2021-07-12T15:12:59Z] <acheam> but thats a deeep deep rabitt hole
[2021-07-12T15:13:29Z] <omanom> are you doing anything that would actually be limited by N instead of AC?
[2021-07-12T15:13:30Z] <acheam> oh gross hunspell requires gettext, iconv, readline, and libtool
[2021-07-12T15:13:35Z] <acheam> video conferencing
[2021-07-12T15:13:52Z] <omanom> is your internet link higher bandwidth than N?
[2021-07-12T15:14:19Z] <acheam> its more about range and stuff
[2021-07-12T15:15:02Z] <schillingklaus> gettext is abominable. there is some replacement called gettext-tiny, but does it work in this context?
[2021-07-12T15:15:09Z] <acheam> im not sure
[2021-07-12T15:15:11Z] <acheam> I do use gettext-tiny
[2021-07-12T15:15:26Z] <acheam> well, I used to
[2021-07-12T15:15:35Z] <acheam> i've removed all the software that depends on it
[2021-07-12T15:15:38Z] <omanom> gotcha.  i still use N (and G actually) because i only have DSL so spending $$$ for newer routers is pointless
[2021-07-12T15:15:44Z] <acheam> ah yeah
[2021-07-12T15:16:21Z] <acheam> http://beastiebox.sourceforge.net/
[2021-07-12T15:17:08Z] <schillingklaus> is beastiebox like busybox?
[2021-07-12T15:17:11Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-07-12T15:22:35Z] <schillingklaus> gettext even includes java
[2021-07-12T15:22:39Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-07-12T15:23:40Z] <acheam> things i'd need to figure out if I were to switch to netbsd kernel: networking, boot process/EFI, Zoom
[2021-07-12T15:23:57Z] <acheam> other than that, according to "kiss revdepends linux-headers", it seems... possible
[2021-07-12T15:24:56Z] <acheam> probably never going to do it
[2021-07-12T15:25:01Z] <acheam> would be a ton of work
[2021-07-12T15:29:57Z] <akira01> guys
[2021-07-12T15:30:12Z] <akira01> fedora live can install kiss?
[2021-07-12T15:30:23Z] <dbz> yes
[2021-07-12T15:30:24Z] <akira01> in old install wiki i can install
[2021-07-12T15:30:35Z] <akira01> but now it simple cant tar
[2021-07-12T15:31:03Z] <schillingklaus> is tar going to be replaced with pax?
[2021-07-12T15:31:19Z] <testuser[m]> maybe
[2021-07-12T15:34:47Z] <dilyn> i've replaced tar with pax; it works quite well
[2021-07-12T15:35:08Z] <dilyn> except for a single bug with mesa
[2021-07-12T15:35:33Z] <phoebos[m]> acheam,, schillingklaus : hunspell is in miktex-kiss-repo, which uses gettext-tiny just fine
[2021-07-12T15:35:53Z] <acheam> hmm, i'd still rather stick with aspell I think
[2021-07-12T15:35:56Z] <acheam> even though it is gnu
[2021-07-12T15:36:01Z] <acheam> thanks for lmk though
[2021-07-12T15:36:27Z] <schillingklaus> why is miktex packaged but not texlive?
[2021-07-12T15:37:20Z] <testuser[m]> why is that a question
[2021-07-12T15:37:28Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-07-12T15:37:32Z] <testuser[m]> none needed it i guess
[2021-07-12T15:38:20Z] <schillingklaus> i always thought that miktex only works on win*
[2021-07-12T15:40:59Z] <acheam> aparently not
[2021-07-12T15:41:11Z] <omanom> https://miktex.org/howto/install-miktex-unx
[2021-07-12T15:41:26Z] <akira01> maaaaan
[2021-07-12T15:41:37Z] <akira01> i will report dylan this shit
[2021-07-12T15:42:02Z] <akira01> fucking command in install section not work
[2021-07-12T15:42:25Z] <testuser[m]> bruh
[2021-07-12T15:42:37Z] <acheam> what command?
[2021-07-12T15:43:10Z] <akira01> xz -d "$OLDPWD/$file" | tar xvf -
[2021-07-12T15:43:43Z] <acheam> oh he changed that command recently, it used to be just tar
[2021-07-12T15:43:46Z] <acheam> why isn't it working?
[2021-07-12T15:43:54Z] <akira01> tar: This does not look like a tar archive
[2021-07-12T15:44:22Z] <akira01> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[2021-07-12T15:44:32Z] <akira01> if i do the command again
[2021-07-12T15:44:50Z] <akira01> says the kiss-chroot archive not exist in dir
[2021-07-12T15:45:09Z] <acheam> did you verify the checksums?
[2021-07-12T15:45:19Z] <acheam> did you cd to any directories in between the commands?
[2021-07-12T15:46:13Z] <akira01> Yeah i verify the cheksums
[2021-07-12T15:46:22Z] <akira01> what did a error is the gpg
[2021-07-12T15:46:38Z] <akira01> no cd in any directories
[2021-07-12T15:46:52Z] <akira01> just cp and paste what the guide says
[2021-07-12T15:47:20Z] <omanom> what is the value of $OLDPWD and $file?  Did you just copy-and-paste that as well?
[2021-07-12T15:47:42Z] <acheam> oldpwd should be done by the shell
[2021-07-12T15:48:38Z] <akira01> oldpwd is /home/liveuser/
[2021-07-12T15:48:57Z] <akira01> $file is kiss-chroot-2021.7.5.tar.xz
[2021-07-12T15:49:04Z] <akira01> All correct
[2021-07-12T15:49:27Z] <dilyn> worked just fine for me 
[2021-07-12T15:49:33Z] <dilyn> so... try redownloading it 
[2021-07-12T15:49:40Z] <akira01> i tried...
[2021-07-12T15:49:58Z] <akira01> when i do xz my tar.xz file turns in tar file
[2021-07-12T15:50:34Z] <akira01> and it is not recognize by the $file because it need .tar.xz and not .tar
[2021-07-12T15:50:49Z] <omanom> it failed for me too just now, with same issue
[2021-07-12T15:50:52Z] <akira01> but if i rename to .tar.xz it happens the same error
[2021-07-12T15:51:04Z] <testuser[m]> the latest tarball worked for me just fine
[2021-07-12T15:52:28Z] <akira01> maybe the problem is my fedora live iso?
[2021-07-12T15:52:35Z] <akira01> don't know
[2021-07-12T15:52:49Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2021-07-12T15:52:59Z] <omanom> xz deletes the source file, right?
[2021-07-12T15:53:26Z] <akira01> not exactly
[2021-07-12T15:53:39Z] <akira01> it rename my kiss-chroot
[2021-07-12T15:55:05Z] <omanom> try `xz -dc`
[2021-07-12T15:57:26Z] <micr0_> hey if anyone wants to send me a list of commits for dropped software packages, I started a repo called 'kiss-graveyard' which is useful for adopting or burying stuff https://github.com/jedahan/kiss-graveyard
[2021-07-12T15:57:40Z] <dilyn> or just cd to the director you want the tarball to live in, and do tar xf /path/to/kiss-chroot-2021.7-5.tar.xz 
[2021-07-12T15:58:22Z] <testuser[m]> it already exists micr0_
[2021-07-12T15:58:31Z] <testuser[m]> in kiss-community/kiss-graveyad
[2021-07-12T15:58:32Z] <testuser[m]> rd
[2021-07-12T15:58:39Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-07-12T15:58:55Z] <akira01> the dylans community repo will not exists more?
[2021-07-12T15:59:10Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/kiss-community/graveyard
[2021-07-12T15:59:14Z] <micr0_> oh wow i forgot i did this before lol
[2021-07-12T15:59:17Z] <dbz> just use tar xvf $file -C /$installdir
[2021-07-12T15:59:37Z] <schillingklaus> isn't it all in the hands of dylan by now?
[2021-07-12T15:59:51Z] <dilyn> have you read dylan's latest post? 
[2021-07-12T15:59:55Z] <testuser[m]> there's no official channel of communication or official cmomunity repo now
[2021-07-12T16:00:21Z] <akira01> yeah i read but it make me confuse because in git still say the repo is in maintence
[2021-07-12T16:00:24Z] <micr0_> there is an official channel of communication for dylan i beleive
[2021-07-12T16:00:40Z] <micr0_> and the de-facto community channel of communication is this irc channel
[2021-07-12T16:00:44Z] <testuser[m]> sorry by official i meant on irc/reddit
[2021-07-12T16:00:55Z] <testuser[m]> official would be shithub issues/email
[2021-07-12T16:01:49Z] <akira01> the kiss-community will change to openssl too?
[2021-07-12T16:01:53Z] <dilyn> kisslinux/community does not exist. it points to dylanraps/community
[2021-07-12T16:02:02Z] <schillingklaus> does MS collect and sell all information about github users?
[2021-07-12T16:02:19Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2021-07-12T16:02:21Z] <testuser[m]> probably not
[2021-07-12T16:02:30Z] <dilyn> https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/kisslinux/2021-07-11#30251868
[2021-07-12T16:02:44Z] <testuser[m]> most of it is supposed to be public anyway
[2021-07-12T16:02:45Z] <testuser[m]> so idk whats there to sell
[2021-07-12T16:02:54Z] <testuser[m]> your ip address ? lol
[2021-07-12T16:04:02Z] <akira01> so the community repo will change to openssl to right?
[2021-07-12T16:04:03Z] <micr0_> your social graph
[2021-07-12T16:04:52Z] <schillingklaus> instead of libressl?
[2021-07-12T16:05:13Z] <dilyn> wdym
[2021-07-12T16:06:36Z] <akira01> yeah i mean
[2021-07-12T16:06:47Z] <akira01> if the official kiss use openssl
[2021-07-12T16:07:02Z] <akira01> all the packages how need ssl in community will change to openssl
[2021-07-12T16:07:41Z] <testuser[m]> the community repo on repology won't be updated for now https://github.com/repology/repology-updater/pull/1164
[2021-07-12T16:08:18Z] <testuser[m]> i guess it could be listed as explicitly unofficial
[2021-07-12T16:08:40Z] <akira01> i mean the kiss-community community repo
[2021-07-12T16:08:48Z] <testuser[m]> im not talking about that
[2021-07-12T16:08:52Z] <dilyn> kiss-community/community follows kisslinux/repo's standards. 
[2021-07-12T16:08:59Z] <akira01> oh okay
[2021-07-12T16:09:15Z] <dilyn> kiss-community/repo will be archived unless somebody wants to step in and maintain a xorg/libressl repository 
[2021-07-12T16:09:42Z] <dilyn> I don't terribly care who does it. but if nobody does... kiss-community/repo is getting archived 
[2021-07-12T16:09:56Z] <ang> any1 planning on running an xorg repo?
[2021-07-12T16:10:01Z] <omanom> @ehawk mentioned they set one up earlier: https://github.com/ehawkvu/kiss-xorg , don't know their plan on maintaining it though
[2021-07-12T16:10:17Z] <testuser[m]> acheam made a kiss fork too so you could use that repo
[2021-07-12T16:10:22Z] <acheam> not reccomended
[2021-07-12T16:10:27Z] <schillingklaus> i have no experience in running any repo whatsoever
[2021-07-12T16:10:55Z] <omanom> i'm sure midfavila will as well, they tend to play around with things though so probably wouldn't be totally stable
[2021-07-12T16:11:12Z] <schillingklaus> and probably not the technical prerequisites either
[2021-07-12T16:11:26Z] <testuser[m]> its fairly easy schillingklaus
[2021-07-12T16:11:35Z] <dilyn> these things are more than welcome to live in the kiss-community org
[2021-07-12T16:11:36Z] <ang> I don't really care about xorg vs wayland but I can't easily reproduce my dwm setup on wayland, so I'd rather stay on xorg
[2021-07-12T16:11:49Z] <dilyn> the org itself need not be concerned with any particular guidestones
[2021-07-12T16:12:02Z] <omanom> and dylan actually discourages that, good point
[2021-07-12T16:12:27Z] <testuser[m]> running a libressl/xorg system would be a pain tho, since most stuff in community will conflict
[2021-07-12T16:12:31Z] <testuser[m]> with installed deps
[2021-07-12T16:12:47Z] <ang> is there a lemonbar equivalent for wayland?
[2021-07-12T16:12:49Z] <omanom> are the various X packages really changing that often?
[2021-07-12T16:13:01Z] <ang> I just found more featureful stuff which goes more into the direction of polybar
[2021-07-12T16:13:40Z] <kqz> i've never used lemonbar, but you can look into some of these https://github.com/natpen/awesome-wayland#status-bars
[2021-07-12T16:13:41Z] <ang> I'm nt sure I want to keep building firefox too
[2021-07-12T16:13:42Z] <ang> welt
[2021-07-12T16:13:46Z] <ang> welp*
[2021-07-12T16:13:51Z] <ang> guess it's openbsd time
[2021-07-12T16:14:05Z] <dilyn> yambar
[2021-07-12T16:14:09Z] <dilyn> is kinda close
[2021-07-12T16:14:12Z] <testuser[m]> dilyn: do you plan on still running repo-bin ? if not, will contibutor binaries be allowed ?
[2021-07-12T16:14:29Z] <dilyn> repo-bin can accept any binary package anyone would desire to put up :v 
[2021-07-12T16:14:38Z] <dilyn> tell you what. I'll write up a whole thing in a bit
[2021-07-12T16:15:18Z] <dilyn> omanom: x packages don't change super often, but you'll mostly be looking at maintaining CVEs and the like 
[2021-07-12T16:15:22Z] <ang> yambar is more like polybar it seems. I think there are plenty of bars with that featureset
[2021-07-12T16:15:47Z] <ang> thx kqz
[2021-07-12T16:15:59Z] <akira01> sway-tiny had much differenc to sway?
[2021-07-12T16:16:23Z] <testuser[m]> its sway but static wlroots and seatd
[2021-07-12T16:16:27Z] <ang> lemonbar is basically reading from stdin, it does not come with any status monitoring itself
[2021-07-12T16:16:56Z] <omanom> akira01 read this: https://kisslinux.xyz/blog/20210711a 
[2021-07-12T16:17:35Z] <akira01> testuser[m]: would this works with your steam script? i think maybe if i use wayland now it works
[2021-07-12T16:17:35Z] <schillingklaus> seatd obsoletes elogind, doesn't it?
[2021-07-12T16:18:00Z] <testuser[m]> akira01 it wont work at all cuz no xwayland
[2021-07-12T16:18:13Z] <testuser[m]> steam is a xorg program
[2021-07-12T16:18:24Z] <akira01> xwayland will not be in repo?
[2021-07-12T16:18:28Z] <msk[m]> xorg and wayland don't conflict, do they? So it will be pretty easy to have both installed at once (not running at the same time)?
[2021-07-12T16:18:29Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2021-07-12T16:18:30Z] <testuser[m]> pure x
[2021-07-12T16:18:33Z] <testuser[m]> wayland *
[2021-07-12T16:18:33Z] <akira01> shit
[2021-07-12T16:18:46Z] <testuser[m]> you can add it yourself
[2021-07-12T16:18:48Z] <schillingklaus> is xwayland still a thing, so steam might run in emulation?
[2021-07-12T16:19:03Z] <testuser[m]> xwayland is and will be a thing, for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time
[2021-07-12T16:19:27Z] <testuser[m]> its not emulation its just an X server
[2021-07-12T16:19:37Z] <testuser[m]> but you can use it while running a wayland compositor
[2021-07-12T16:19:37Z] <micr0_> btw I updated the kiss-find db a minute ago, so `kiss find neatvi` will show stuff like kiss-community/graveyard packages. should be helpful. If anyone has non-github repositories they would like added to kiss-find, please message me here or make a PR
[2021-07-12T16:20:05Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/kisslinux/website/commit/d30346bf65ee185cfce3a7abc3e510992a23e430 akira01
[2021-07-12T16:20:10Z] <testuser[m]> dylan really is watching the logs lol
[2021-07-12T16:20:24Z] <akira01> sway in rootlees is not problematic?
[2021-07-12T16:20:28Z] <acheam> hi dylan!
[2021-07-12T16:20:32Z] <testuser[m]> no, just enable seatd
[2021-07-12T16:21:24Z] <dilyn> dylan doesn't read the logs, he just feels disturbances in the KISS universe...
[2021-07-12T16:22:21Z] <akira01> god see us
[2021-07-12T16:22:58Z] <akira01> is gpg key really necessary?
[2021-07-12T16:23:15Z] <akira01> i can't resolve the host 
[2021-07-12T16:23:26Z] <testuser[m]> not at all
[2021-07-12T16:23:43Z] <akira01> so i will just skip
[2021-07-12T16:26:43Z] <acheam> when I KISS_FORCE remove a package it doesnt remove the /var/db/kiss entry
[2021-07-12T16:26:48Z] <acheam> kiss 5.4.10
[2021-07-12T16:31:45Z] <dilyn> what package specifically? 
[2021-07-12T16:31:46Z] <dilyn> works for me 
[2021-07-12T16:32:36Z] <phoebos[m]> schillingklaus: mmatongo has packaged texlive. it's a bit *big*
[2021-07-12T16:36:24Z] <acheam> dilyn: nvm nvm
[2021-07-12T16:39:56Z] <akira01> so
[2021-07-12T16:40:12Z] <akira01> commit does not have a gpg signature
[2021-07-12T16:40:20Z] <akira01> i pretty lost 
[2021-07-12T16:40:22Z] <acheam> yeah just dont bother with the whole git gpg thing
[2021-07-12T16:40:57Z] <akira01> what can i do to pass it?
[2021-07-12T16:41:02Z] <akira01> cant update
[2021-07-12T16:41:26Z] <acheam> git config merge.verifySignatures false
[2021-07-12T16:49:15Z] <acheam> testuser[m]: any idea why the gtk widgets in my webkit2gtk are all tiny
[2021-07-12T16:49:34Z] <dilyn> screen resolution maybe? 
[2021-07-12T16:49:49Z] <acheam> well everything else in gtk is fine
[2021-07-12T16:49:50Z] <acheam> like
[2021-07-12T16:50:06Z] <acheam> the buttons in the chorizo ui and stuff are big enough
[2021-07-12T16:50:07Z] <schillingklaus> webkit1 was muuuuuuuuuch finer
[2021-07-12T16:50:14Z] <acheam> just the elements within the website
[2021-07-12T16:54:45Z] <testuser[m]> I haven't used webkit for more than 20 mins but i don't think i ever encountered this
[2021-07-12T16:54:57Z] <testuser[m]> Wouldn't that be a website problem?
[2021-07-12T16:55:04Z] <testuser[m]> Or you mean stuff like input boxes
[2021-07-12T16:55:14Z] <testuser[m]> Ss
[2021-07-12T17:00:27Z] <zola> When updating and adding new packages to community repo, should we yet update their dependencies to openssl?
[2021-07-12T17:02:47Z] <akira01> If it needs ssl i think is the best to do
[2021-07-12T17:03:01Z] <akira01> Since official repo only supports openssl
[2021-07-12T17:20:03Z] <acheam> TeddyDD: stuff like gtk input boxes
[2021-07-12T17:20:08Z] <acheam> oops sorry teddy
[2021-07-12T17:20:11Z] <acheam> meant to tag testuser[m] 
[2021-07-12T17:20:19Z] <acheam> not used to having another nick starting with te in here lol
[2021-07-12T17:20:45Z] <acheam> you must have spent longer packaging it than using it!
[2021-07-12T17:20:59Z] <acheam> hola zola
[2021-07-12T17:21:22Z] <GalaxyNova> is there a reason why kiss's sway package deletes the man pages??
[2021-07-12T17:21:27Z] <GalaxyNova> smh
[2021-07-12T17:21:44Z] <acheam> because dylan
[2021-07-12T17:21:49Z] <cem> acheam: your pun made them change their nick
[2021-07-12T17:21:56Z] <GalaxyNova> acheam: but why
[2021-07-12T17:22:09Z] <GalaxyNova> Guest6066: using IRC from root i see
[2021-07-12T17:22:11Z] <GalaxyNova> lol
[2021-07-12T17:22:25Z] <acheam> GalaxyNova: presumably because of https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/issues/273
[2021-07-12T17:22:34Z] <acheam> cem: it wasn't /that/ bad
[2021-07-12T17:23:24Z] <cem> i'm just messing around, it wasn't that bad
[2021-07-12T17:23:44Z] <cem> I only grinned a little
[2021-07-12T17:24:08Z] <micr0_> GalaxyNova I think that will change shortly, defaulting to manpages being installed but showing how to easily remove them
[2021-07-12T17:26:04Z] <acheam> kiss is marked active on DW again
[2021-07-12T17:26:06Z] <acheam> https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kiss
[2021-07-12T17:26:12Z] <acheam> with new URL, etc
[2021-07-12T17:28:39Z] <GalaxyNova> niceeee
[2021-07-12T17:47:56Z] <Guest6066> GalaxyNova: is it really that bad to run irc from root?
[2021-07-12T17:52:36Z] <GalaxyNova> yes
[2021-07-12T17:53:17Z] <GalaxyNova> never run programs as root unless you absolutely have to
[2021-07-12T17:53:59Z] <GalaxyNova> it could potentially lead to very very very bad things
[2021-07-12T17:54:17Z] <dilyn> https://k1sslinux.org/news/20210712a
[2021-07-12T17:54:21Z] <dilyn> acheam: new /topic suggestion
[2021-07-12T17:58:12Z] <Guest6066> GalaxyNova: i will keep your advice in mind as i casually use my system and browse the web as root :)
[2021-07-12T17:58:22Z] <GalaxyNova> lol
[2021-07-12T17:58:26Z] <Guest6066> lol
[2021-07-12T17:59:52Z] <Guest6066> What do you think about firejail?
[2021-07-12T18:00:43Z] <testuser[m]> Bad
[2021-07-12T18:01:00Z] <testuser[m]> Bubblewrap better, no SUID and way less complex 
[2021-07-12T18:01:38Z] <testuser[m]> acheam: yeah i try out webkit every now and then but it never fails to disappoint
[2021-07-12T18:03:01Z] <Guest6066> Bubblewrap looks interesting, i don't know how i haven't heard about it before
[2021-07-12T18:11:01Z] <acheam> testuser[m]: lol
[2021-07-12T18:11:07Z] <acheam> it didnt used to do this
[2021-07-12T18:11:11Z] <acheam> idk why it does it now
[2021-07-12T18:11:47Z] <acheam> i've started to package python stuff: https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/asd-repo/tree/main/item/python
[2021-07-12T18:12:02Z] <acheam> I wrote a little script that automates most of it
[2021-07-12T18:13:23Z] <acheam> oops
[2021-07-12T18:15:25Z] <dilyn> tyty 
[2021-07-12T18:20:30Z] <Guest6066> I noticed that tor package was dropped, is it just unmaintained or is there a better reason?
[2021-07-12T18:20:50Z] <dilyn> unmaintained
[2021-07-12T18:21:11Z] <GalaxyNova> imo unmaintained packages should not be dropped
[2021-07-12T18:21:19Z] <GalaxyNova> as long as they build
[2021-07-12T18:22:03Z] <dilyn> sure, but then it's just a graveyard of old packages 
[2021-07-12T18:25:27Z] <msk[m]> what do you think is the best way to try out openssl+wayland without fully commiting to them?
[2021-07-12T18:26:09Z] <dilyn> qemu, probably 
[2021-07-12T18:26:18Z] <acheam> ^
[2021-07-12T18:27:16Z] <msk[m]> is that like virtualbox?
[2021-07-12T18:28:51Z] <zola> Yeah
[2021-07-12T18:29:54Z] <msk[m]> but then I would need to recompile every package, no?
[2021-07-12T18:30:05Z] <GalaxyNova> msk[m]: like virtualbox but without a gui
[2021-07-12T18:30:14Z] <GalaxyNova> you have to write launch scripts
[2021-07-12T18:30:15Z] <dilyn> the only involved package to build would be mesa+llvm 
[2021-07-12T18:30:32Z] <dilyn> you'd have to build your kernel with kvm support tho 
[2021-07-12T18:30:38Z] <dilyn> and your cpu might not support it...
[2021-07-12T18:30:50Z] <dilyn> if you have a spare partition you could install KISS there and just use the same kernel 
[2021-07-12T18:31:32Z] <zola> You could make a virtual hdd, with qemu-img, then format it, and copy things from .cache/kiss/bin into the same place on virtual disk
[2021-07-12T18:32:31Z] <zola> Of course it is probably not as simple as it sounds but it is an option
[2021-07-12T18:32:42Z] <msk[m]> wouldn't it be easier to clone the official repo onto this install and just recompile the libressl packages?
[2021-07-12T18:33:37Z] <msk[m]> and then switch back to the community-made one if it doesn't work out
[2021-07-12T18:34:00Z] <dilyn> well yes that is easier
[2021-07-12T18:34:08Z] <dilyn> but that is what I interpret as 'commiting' 
[2021-07-12T18:35:56Z] <msk[m]> sorry, typo
[2021-07-12T18:36:15Z] <jedavies> New webkit2gtk wants at-spi... anyone tried patching this out yet?
[2021-07-12T18:36:29Z] <claudia> Dropped packages are still findable in the git commit history. So not really a lost.
[2021-07-12T18:36:30Z] <msk[m]> I meant like patching the community/community packages to openssl
[2021-07-12T18:36:59Z] <msk[m]> and then updating everything using dylan's repo
[2021-07-12T18:37:14Z] <claudia> GalaxyNova: 
[2021-07-12T19:04:31Z] <noocsharp> i'm almost certain this has been addressed before, but how well does webkit play with wayland?
[2021-07-12T19:04:53Z] <dilyn> claudia has a patch iirc? 
[2021-07-12T19:09:27Z] <claudia> I had.
[2021-07-12T19:09:31Z] <GalaxyNova> what's a good dmenu alternative for wayland
[2021-07-12T19:09:32Z] <claudia> testuser[m]: Should have it :p
[2021-07-12T19:09:48Z] <acheam> GalaxyNova: i've heard of bemenu but have never used it
[2021-07-12T19:09:56Z] <claudia> https://github.com/natpen/awesome-wayland#launchers
[2021-07-12T19:10:32Z] <claudia> and omanom :D
[2021-07-12T19:10:36Z] <GalaxyNova> acheam: tried it... it was buggy and ugly
[2021-07-12T19:10:47Z] <GalaxyNova> packaged it if you want to try it yourself though
[2021-07-12T19:11:07Z] <acheam> nope
[2021-07-12T19:11:18Z] <omanom> i never got lariza working properly unfortunately, so i can't provide experience :(
[2021-07-12T19:12:17Z] <soliwilos> GalaxyNova: wofi
[2021-07-12T19:13:21Z] <acheam> noocsharp: have you used pkgsrc? I think i remember you mentioning in the context of oasis
[2021-07-12T19:13:31Z] <GalaxyNova> soliwilos: is wofi lightweight though?
[2021-07-12T19:13:45Z] <GalaxyNova> seems to do quite a lot of things
[2021-07-12T19:14:14Z] <kqz> lightweight in what way? 
[2021-07-12T19:14:24Z] <dilyn> is there a thing your launcher can do that your terminal couldn't? 
[2021-07-12T19:14:26Z] <GalaxyNova> in the way like dmenu
[2021-07-12T19:14:40Z] <GalaxyNova> dilyn: conveniently launch firefox
[2021-07-12T19:14:54Z] <dilyn> alias ff="firefox &"
[2021-07-12T19:15:01Z] <dilyn> or just... bind a key 
[2021-07-12T19:15:16Z] <noocsharp> acheam: i have not
[2021-07-12T19:15:19Z] <acheam> manage passwords interactively
[2021-07-12T19:15:21Z] <acheam> noocsharp: coolio thanks
[2021-07-12T19:15:28Z] <acheam> looking to find a not shit way to install firefox
[2021-07-12T19:15:32Z] <kqz> <.< i mean idk, what makes dmenu lightweight? ram usage? small package footprint? 
[2021-07-12T19:16:55Z] <claudia> noocsharp: there is the patch on options for an now outdated webkit. https://github.com/git-bruh/kiss-repo/tree/master/wayland/webkit2gtk
[2021-07-12T19:17:03Z] <soliwilos> I think wofi only depends on wayland and gtk+3
[2021-07-12T19:17:07Z] <noocsharp> wait wtf, wasn't the main kiss repo's point to get you up to a web browser, and now there's no web browser in extra?
[2021-07-12T19:17:13Z] <claudia> You basically have to disable gl
[2021-07-12T19:17:14Z] <noocsharp> claudia: thanks, i'll take a look
[2021-07-12T19:17:38Z] <claudia> there is ff, still.
[2021-07-12T19:17:41Z] <dilyn> firefox is in extra lad
[2021-07-12T19:18:06Z] <noocsharp> so it is
[2021-07-12T19:18:16Z] <acheam> what made you think it wasnt lol?
[2021-07-12T19:18:22Z] <noocsharp> wait, then what's acheam looking for?
[2021-07-12T19:18:31Z] <noocsharp> i looked in wayland thinking it was extra...
[2021-07-12T19:18:37Z] <claudia> pkgsrc still builds from source :p
[2021-07-12T19:18:44Z] <dilyn> temporary blindness explains most things 
[2021-07-12T19:18:47Z] <acheam> claudia: i thought they had a binary system
[2021-07-12T19:18:54Z] <acheam> in addition to building from source
[2021-07-12T19:18:59Z] <acheam> but maybe that only works with bsdlibc
[2021-07-12T19:19:03Z] <claudia> y. But I _think_ just for netbsd
[2021-07-12T19:19:08Z] <claudia> I might be wrong.
[2021-07-12T19:19:28Z] <claudia> pkgin is what you prob want then.
[2021-07-12T19:19:58Z] <acheam> noocsharp: just alternate methods that dont require so many make deps
[2021-07-12T19:20:05Z] <acheam> like, im looking into flatpak right now
[2021-07-12T19:20:13Z] <acheam> also gcompat + appimage
[2021-07-12T19:20:32Z] <kqz> bwrap pointed at a chroot is my go to
[2021-07-12T19:20:36Z] <noocsharp> nix?
[2021-07-12T19:20:47Z] <acheam> noocsharp: ooh good idea
[2021-07-12T19:20:49Z] <acheam> thanks
[2021-07-12T19:21:05Z] <acheam> kqz: chroots feel like cheating
[2021-07-12T19:21:27Z] <acheam> although tbf I have 2 applications running in a chroot as we speak
[2021-07-12T19:21:34Z] <acheam> but thats out of necesity, not laziness
[2021-07-12T19:21:58Z] <kqz> are you just trying to run glib apps?
[2021-07-12T19:22:07Z] <kqz> glibc*
[2021-07-12T19:22:09Z] <dilyn> we should all just install ubuntu 
[2021-07-12T19:22:15Z] <dilyn> oh wait no sorry
[2021-07-12T19:22:16Z] <dilyn> kubuntu
[2021-07-12T19:22:20Z] <kqz> lol
[2021-07-12T19:22:22Z] <acheam> I need to run 2 crummy programs: zoom, and a web browser
[2021-07-12T19:22:33Z] <acheam> zoom needs to be in a chroot for glibc, and general spywareness
[2021-07-12T19:22:43Z] <GalaxyNova> what's the glibc package then
[2021-07-12T19:22:44Z] <claudia> Imaging just burn your computer.
[2021-07-12T19:22:55Z] <acheam> GalaxyNova: ?
[2021-07-12T19:23:21Z] <GalaxyNova> doesn't that allow for glib programs to run?
[2021-07-12T19:23:28Z] <acheam> dilyn: have you found a new job yet?
[2021-07-12T19:23:40Z] <kqz> idk how much you want to engineer this, but you can just create two very slim chroot tarballs, have kiss install them with a bwrap script to run them
[2021-07-12T19:24:10Z] <acheam> GalaxyNova: where is this glibc package?
[2021-07-12T19:24:24Z] <dilyn> i'm still waiting to hear back :X  
[2021-07-12T19:24:31Z] <acheam> kqz: hmm yeah thanks
[2021-07-12T19:25:04Z] <noocsharp> maybe he's talking about gcompat?
[2021-07-12T19:25:09Z] <GalaxyNova> repo/extra/glib
[2021-07-12T19:25:17Z] <noocsharp> glib != glibc
[2021-07-12T19:25:18Z] <GalaxyNova> acheam
[2021-07-12T19:25:21Z] <zola> Someone mentioned appimages above, has someone been able to get them to run?
[2021-07-12T19:25:27Z] <GalaxyNova> noocsharp: What is it then
[2021-07-12T19:25:39Z] <noocsharp> it's another library that serves as the base for gnome
[2021-07-12T19:25:49Z] <GalaxyNova> oh
[2021-07-12T19:26:07Z] <acheam> I'll probably just keep the arch chroot for zoom, kdenlive, and other massive/proprietary programs that I need, and use void chroots or something for a web browser
[2021-07-12T19:26:15Z] <acheam> i'd like to have my browser sandboxed anyhow
[2021-07-12T19:26:42Z] <dilyn> can't you just use namespaces
[2021-07-12T19:26:45Z] <msk[m]> acheam: can't you just use zoom's web client, so it would be part of your browser?
[2021-07-12T19:27:02Z] <noocsharp> in my limited experience, zoom's web client barely works
[2021-07-12T19:27:09Z] <acheam> msk[m]: web client isnt good enough for my meetings requirements
[2021-07-12T19:27:11Z] <kqz> bwrap is just a simple wrapper around namespaces
[2021-07-12T19:27:18Z] <msk[m]> I used it last year for my classes and it worked well enough
[2021-07-12T19:27:30Z] <acheam> maybe its gotten better since I last tried it
[2021-07-12T19:27:52Z] <acheam> but I also dont usually build my browser with webrtc and media support
[2021-07-12T19:29:07Z] <akira01> kiss-chroot can't use wget
[2021-07-12T19:29:12Z] <akira01> is this removed?
[2021-07-12T19:29:14Z] <acheam> ?
[2021-07-12T19:29:24Z] <acheam> why cant you use wget
[2021-07-12T19:29:26Z] <akira01> because the wiki says to use it to get the kernel
[2021-07-12T19:29:30Z] <acheam> you've gotta give more detail
[2021-07-12T19:29:32Z] <akira01> wget not found
[2021-07-12T19:29:36Z] <dilyn> wget -> busybox 
[2021-07-12T19:29:43Z] <dilyn> so.. ls -l /usr/bin/wget? 
[2021-07-12T19:29:47Z] <acheam> maybe dylan removed it from the busybox build?
[2021-07-12T19:29:47Z] <dilyn> echo $PATH
[2021-07-12T19:29:52Z] <acheam> try running "busybox wget"
[2021-07-12T19:29:55Z] <dilyn> that seems like an oversight 
[2021-07-12T19:30:27Z] <akira01> yeah
[2021-07-12T19:30:31Z] <akira01> No such file or dir
[2021-07-12T19:30:35Z] <acheam> echo $PATH
[2021-07-12T19:30:48Z] <foomar> acheam: I also /have/ to run zoom but still haven't found any good resource on how to create glibc chroots, what libraries does it need?
[2021-07-12T19:30:51Z] <GalaxyNova> akira01: it's not built into busybox anymore
[2021-07-12T19:30:54Z] <dilyn> just use curl 
[2021-07-12T19:30:54Z] <GalaxyNova> i've noticed that too
[2021-07-12T19:31:01Z] <akira01> thanks
[2021-07-12T19:31:01Z] <dilyn> dylan should update the install guide :v 
[2021-07-12T19:31:15Z] <GalaxyNova> you can probably put it back by forking the busybox package
[2021-07-12T19:31:16Z] <akira01> dilyn: yeah should
[2021-07-12T19:31:19Z] <acheam> ^^^ DYLAN ^^^
[2021-07-12T19:31:28Z] <acheam> hopefully makes him see it when he skims the log lol
[2021-07-12T19:31:32Z] <GalaxyNova> akira01: dilyn != dylan
[2021-07-12T19:31:34Z] <GalaxyNova> lmao
[2021-07-12T19:32:00Z] <acheam> foomar: you can download the archlinux rootfs
[2021-07-12T19:32:05Z] <acheam> just unpack it and kiss-chroot into it
[2021-07-12T19:32:14Z] <acheam> then use it like an arch install
[2021-07-12T19:32:22Z] <foomar> acheam: smart, will try that
[2021-07-12T19:32:38Z] <foomar> thanks
[2021-07-12T19:43:50Z] <acheam> git with no perl users: how do you add hunks individually?
[2021-07-12T19:43:53Z] <acheam> without git add -p
[2021-07-12T19:48:22Z] <noocsharp> i think there's a c port? i don't use it tho
[2021-07-12T19:50:11Z] <noocsharp> https://github.com/git/git/commit/f83dff60a7880f1abfc3dc3c6b8e2972c4889da5
[2021-07-12T19:50:29Z] <noocsharp> it seems you should set add.interactive.usebuiltin
[2021-07-12T19:50:40Z] <acheam> sick thanks
[2021-07-12T19:52:04Z] <cem> acheam: there is also patchouli + git apply --cached
[2021-07-12T19:52:11Z] <cem> Though patchouli is python
[2021-07-12T19:52:41Z] <cem> https://github.com/rix0rrr/patchouli
[2021-07-12T19:54:47Z] <acheam> cem: hmm i think i'll stick with builtin 
[2021-07-12T19:54:49Z] <acheam> but thanks!
[2021-07-12T19:57:27Z] <cem> yeah sure, I only use it for fossil which doesn't have a builtin tool for interactive patches
[2021-07-12T19:59:11Z] <acheam> thats a pain
[2021-07-12T19:59:19Z] <acheam> the builtin interactive works great
[2021-07-12T19:59:27Z] <acheam> as in, I cnat tell the difference
[2021-07-12T19:59:38Z] <acheam> why isnt this the default!
[2021-07-12T19:59:46Z] <noocsharp> it's experimental still apparently
[2021-07-12T19:59:57Z] <acheam> well its good that they are experimenting with it at least
[2021-07-12T20:00:02Z] <noocsharp> i just tried to enable it and kept getting errors in my config
[2021-07-12T20:00:08Z] <acheam> oh :(
[2021-07-12T20:00:09Z] <noocsharp> apparently i just didn't understand the syntax
[2021-07-12T20:00:12Z] <noocsharp> it works now
[2021-07-12T20:00:23Z] <acheam> well, my whole system is experimental
[2021-07-12T20:00:36Z] <noocsharp> it do be like that
[2021-07-12T20:08:03Z] <dilyn> now to comb through this repository and determine which packages need to just be >derped< 
[2021-07-12T20:08:26Z] <acheam> lol "checking whether your system's regexp library is completely broken"
[2021-07-12T20:08:30Z] <acheam> thanks mutt
[2021-07-12T20:10:12Z] <omanom> @noocsharp I'm excited about your SMS integration!  should be a fun read!
[2021-07-12T20:12:44Z] <claudia> dilyn: community, 'grep -i x */depends' http://ix.io/3sNg
[2021-07-12T20:13:05Z] <dilyn> yeah I just did that myself (: 
[2021-07-12T20:13:11Z] <dilyn> a few of these have wayland analogues, but gah
[2021-07-12T20:13:24Z] <dilyn> I'm not interested in looking up all of these so it'll be up to maintainers
[2021-07-12T20:13:54Z] <claudia> Slicken up the community repo would not be bad at all.
[2021-07-12T20:14:11Z] <dilyn> mmhmm
[2021-07-12T20:14:32Z] <claudia> I guess a dedicated thread might be good.
[2021-07-12T20:15:29Z] <claudia> I dont know how naughty it would be to just drop whats obvious.
[2021-07-12T20:15:46Z] <claudia> When its required and fits, it will be just readded?
[2021-07-12T20:15:48Z] <noocsharp> omanom: hopefully it's fun to write
[2021-07-12T20:17:47Z] <acheam> would appreciate some help with this: https://l.armaanb.net/webkitgtk-2021-07-12-16:16-21758
[2021-07-12T20:17:47Z] <claudia> Or just start a new community repo in the org...and let the old one be for the old kiss.
[2021-07-12T20:18:01Z] <acheam> kiss l libsoup
[2021-07-12T20:18:04Z] <acheam> libsoup 2.72.0 1
[2021-07-12T20:18:53Z] <claudia> acheam: ATSPI
[2021-07-12T20:18:59Z] <claudia> jedavies: was mentioning also before
[2021-07-12T20:19:39Z] <claudia> ah but libsoup also. But not so obvius
[2021-07-12T20:19:47Z] <acheam> welp guess i'm downgrading webkit2gtk
[2021-07-12T20:20:05Z] <dilyn> acheam, maybe the permissions on libsoup's pkgconf files are wrong 
[2021-07-12T20:20:09Z] <dilyn> that happens to me with nss 
[2021-07-12T20:20:38Z] <acheam> nope they're fine
[2021-07-12T20:20:44Z] <acheam> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         349 Jul 12 16:16 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libsoup-2.4.pc
[2021-07-12T20:22:07Z] <claudia> maybe its atspi related...
[2021-07-12T20:22:51Z] <dilyn> sorry, that is what i meant 
[2021-07-12T20:23:37Z] <acheam> what provides atspi?
[2021-07-12T20:23:57Z] <claudia> nothing good. https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/at-spi2-core/
[2021-07-12T20:24:20Z] <acheam> i don't care enough to fix it honestly
[2021-07-12T20:24:40Z] <acheam> hoping to switch from webkit soon
[2021-07-12T20:25:09Z] <claudia> maybe its worth checking the cmake options if it can be disabled when its something new.
[2021-07-12T20:34:53Z] <jedavies> I tried disabling the check for at-spi in OptionsGTK.cmake. But then I get the same libsoup issue acheam mentioned.
[2021-07-12T20:35:08Z] <claudia> I am doing this list now and try to ping the right people.
[2021-07-12T20:37:40Z] <acheam> jedavies: harumph okay
[2021-07-12T20:37:55Z] <acheam> point releases shouldn't add dependencies
[2021-07-12T20:39:15Z] <claudia> ang: I tried a ping to you at kiss-community. Does this work?
[2021-07-12T20:42:25Z] <ang> uhm, I don't see anything
[2021-07-12T20:42:49Z] <claudia> I try to ping the peeps with their mail found in kiss-maintainer. https://github.com/kiss-community/community/issues/550
[2021-07-12T20:42:54Z] <claudia> hm..
[2021-07-12T20:43:54Z] <ang> I guess only github username works
[2021-07-12T20:48:27Z] <claudia> yes. :(
[2021-07-12T20:49:03Z] <dilyn> :)  
[2021-07-12T20:49:09Z] <dilyn> a labor of life remembering all of those github usernames 
[2021-07-12T20:51:40Z] <noocsharp> i think i make it pretty easy
[2021-07-12T20:51:58Z] <dilyn> sometimes 
[2021-07-12T20:54:51Z] <claudia> u hero^^
[2021-07-12T20:55:01Z] <claudia> this is barbery
[2021-07-12T20:55:18Z] <claudia> yes, its the right word.
[2021-07-12T20:56:49Z] <acheam> not me
[2021-07-12T20:57:04Z] <acheam> most of my online identies are differnet usernames
[2021-07-12T20:59:56Z] <claudia> acheam: You are 1 of 3 suggestions, how helpfull^^
[2021-07-12T21:00:42Z] <acheam> :)
[2021-07-12T21:03:49Z] <micr0_> i wonder the level of complexity of using kiss alternatives to allow for provides-like features. Motivating example: I use node v14 to develop certain projects, so i made a nodejs-lts package in my personal repository, so I would not force anyone using my repo to 'downgrade' to LTS
[2021-07-12T21:04:48Z] <micr0_> however, firefox lists nodejs as a make dependency. Either i have to patch firefox to have nodejs-lts as its dependency, or maybe figure out a specificationt that doesn't suck, like 'nodejs|nodejs-lts make'
[2021-07-12T21:07:51Z] <acheam> i dont think it should be the burden of the package with the dependencies
[2021-07-12T21:08:06Z] <micr0_> good point
[2021-07-12T21:08:25Z] <acheam> idk, i just customize the build files to match my setup
[2021-07-12T21:08:33Z] <acheam> (most commonly to accomodate byacc)
[2021-07-12T21:09:11Z] <micr0_> brb
[2021-07-12T21:12:53Z] <omanom> i agree with acheam, my first instinct is that it would put too much complexity into the package manager
[2021-07-12T21:35:09Z] <acheam> ugh I'm already 1gb into creating this tar.xz and realized I should have used a tar.zst
[2021-07-12T21:35:37Z] <acheam> patience is a virtue that I lack
[2021-07-12T21:39:58Z] <acheam> damn zstd was near instant
[2021-07-12T21:56:56Z] <phoebos[m]> is libtls [gonna be] in community or main yet?
[2021-07-12T21:59:11Z] <dilyn> libtls should be packaged with openssl
[2021-07-12T21:59:32Z] <phoebos[m]> coolio
[2021-07-12T22:04:23Z] <acheam> man libarchive is sooo much nicer than busybox tar
[2021-07-12T22:04:45Z] <dilyn> now imagine pax 
[2021-07-12T22:14:33Z] <acheam> nah
[2021-07-12T22:15:05Z] <noocsharp> i have the pax man page and don't even have pax
[2021-07-12T22:15:14Z] <acheam> same lol
[2021-07-12T22:15:26Z] <dilyn> rm -rf /usr/share/man 
[2021-07-12T22:15:32Z] <acheam> noooooooo
[2021-07-12T22:15:46Z] <noocsharp> is that a thing real human beings do?
[2021-07-12T22:16:08Z] <dilyn> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/blob/e0310f83103a42f0c64c9ebec0c08ef8c447d7d1/hooks#L33
[2021-07-12T22:16:27Z] <noocsharp> what a madlad
[2021-07-12T22:17:12Z] <dilyn> the maddest
[2021-07-12T22:23:40Z] <noocsharp> how do you get your documentation then?
[2021-07-12T22:23:50Z] <dilyn> --help
[2021-07-12T22:24:39Z] <acheam> manpages go much further than what --help does lol
[2021-07-12T22:24:55Z] <acheam> what about the single line help messages
[2021-07-12T22:24:57Z] <acheam> like opendoas
[2021-07-12T22:24:58Z] <dilyn> yeah but why would I need more than --help :thinking:
[2021-07-12T22:25:14Z] <dilyn> what more do I need opendoas to do than let me move root:root files XD
[2021-07-12T22:25:43Z] <noocsharp> you ever mounted a drive?
[2021-07-12T22:25:53Z] <dilyn> sometimes
[2021-07-12T22:26:52Z] <dilyn> i think y'all misunderestimate how good my memory is
[2021-07-12T22:27:07Z] <dilyn> at least for the options I actually care about 
[2021-07-12T22:37:04Z] <noocsharp> but what happens when there are options that you would care about if you new about them?
[2021-07-12T22:37:14Z] <noocsharp> knew*
[2021-07-12T22:41:15Z] <acheam> oh man openbsd sed reaaaaly hates "sed 's|/|>|g'"
[2021-07-12T22:41:16Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-07-12T22:41:23Z] <acheam> its got my fans running at 100%
[2021-07-12T22:41:30Z] <noocsharp> also i'll have you know that the words "y'all" and "misunderestimate" are sacred texan words, for our exclusive use
[2021-07-12T22:41:55Z] <noocsharp> what did you run it on?
[2021-07-12T22:41:58Z] <acheam> y'all misunderestimate how much i am willing to appropriate texan culture
[2021-07-12T22:42:11Z] <acheam> noocsharp: tried to replace busybox sed with baseutils sed
[2021-07-12T22:42:20Z] <acheam> and now cant use kiss a to swap it back lol
[2021-07-12T22:42:39Z] <noocsharp> lmao
[2021-07-12T22:42:56Z] <GalaxyNova> somehow i got a package that created a circular dependency with itself lmao
[2021-07-12T22:43:04Z] <acheam> that happens sometimes
[2021-07-12T22:45:36Z] <acheam> travankor: did you ever use lobase on kiss?
[2021-07-12T22:50:05Z] <acheam> hmm interesting. sta.li just puts everything from /usr into /
[2021-07-12T22:50:51Z] <acheam> which makes sense actually, given that most things in /usr are symlinked to / anyways
[2021-07-12T22:55:34Z] <soliwilos> Is anyone using or have tried libtls-bearssl?
[2021-07-12T22:57:33Z] <noocsharp> acheam: oasis does the same thing
[2021-07-12T22:57:56Z] <noocsharp> soliwilos: i've toyed with it, will probably switch to it if i end up putting openssl on my system
[2021-07-12T22:58:43Z] <acheam> noocsharp: oh cool
[2021-07-12T22:58:53Z] <acheam> im conflicted whether or not to do it on my system
[2021-07-12T23:05:40Z] <soliwilos> noocsharp: I tried to use it with catgirl, but so far haven't had much luck. I am using bearssl with a couple things, so figured it could be nice to use libtls-bearssl as well.
[2021-07-12T23:23:59Z] <noocsharp> wdym haven't had much luck? it's not working?
[2021-07-12T23:28:12Z] <akira01> efibootmgr fails to build
[2021-07-12T23:28:20Z] <akira01> Well
[2021-07-12T23:28:50Z] <akira01> this is the most buggy kiss install i have lol
[2021-07-12T23:40:00Z] <GalaxyNova> akira01: send kiss log
[2021-07-12T23:43:15Z] <akira01> termbin.com/zi9a
[2021-07-12T23:44:46Z] <GalaxyNova> akira01: did you install efivar?
[2021-07-12T23:45:00Z] <GalaxyNova> try kiss b efivar