[2021-09-05T02:04:25Z] <Guest50> At the bootloader section of the install. I have managed to install the efibootmgr. I can't seem to mount the efivar filesystem and don't really know how to trouble shoot it
[2021-09-05T02:27:47Z] <Guest50> I don't think I set up the EFI_STUB in the .config
[2021-09-05T02:59:24Z] <GalaxyNova> Any idea why I'm getting "Error opening terminal: foot." when trying to run htop?
[2021-09-05T03:01:54Z] <GalaxyNova> it runs fine when I `TERM=xterm`
[2021-09-05T03:02:32Z] <acheam> Foot isn't in terminfo db
[2021-09-05T03:03:05Z] <GalaxyNova> how can i add it to the db
[2021-09-05T03:18:48Z] <acheam> Just use TERM=xterm-256color
[2021-09-05T03:19:09Z] <acheam> 99.5% of modern terminals emulate xterm
[2021-09-05T03:19:20Z] <acheam> s/terminals/terminal emulators/g
[2021-09-05T03:19:20Z] <cotangent> <acheam> 99.5% of modern terminal emulators emulate xterm
[2021-09-05T03:20:43Z] <Guest50> kitty is a nice terminal
[2021-09-05T03:21:08Z] <acheam> Which emulates xterm
[2021-09-05T03:24:12Z] <Guest50> The more options we have the more complicated things get?
[2021-09-05T03:28:46Z] <GalaxyNova> I guess if a terminal doesn't emulate xterm it's going to have horrible compatibility problems
[2021-09-05T04:31:24Z] <rio6> terminal emulator emulators?
[2021-09-05T06:14:09Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-09-05T06:20:29Z] <testuser[m]> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-GBM-Works-With-Sway
[2021-09-05T08:28:37Z] <illiliti> The problem with nvidia isn't about GBM vs EGLStreams
[2021-09-05T08:29:03Z] <illiliti> The problem is closed source driver
[2021-09-05T08:30:20Z] <illiliti> What if driver contains bug that prevent sway from working correctly?
[2021-09-05T08:31:34Z] <illiliti> With closed source driver it's impossible to at least debug these bugs
[2021-09-05T08:33:09Z] <illiliti> I'm pretty sure sway will not officially support nvidia until driver is open source
[2021-09-05T08:33:30Z] <testuser[m]> yeah
[2021-09-05T08:36:04Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> It will at least give people with an NVIDIA GPU the option of running wayland
[2021-09-05T08:52:30Z] <illiliti> Wayland is already working on nvidia with shitton patches and workarounds. Also, the news about that nvidia finally supports GBM change absolutely nothing. Sway will work with nvidia but with lots of bugs. The problem is that nobody will try to fix that bugs which makes sway unusable on nvidia. Anyway, we will see
[2021-09-05T08:56:09Z] <soliwilos> illiliti: Have you tried libudev-zero with Kodi? I can compile and run Kodi, but cpu spikes to full constantly and the UI seems visually frozen.
[2021-09-05T08:56:34Z] <testuser[m]> why does kodi need udev ?
[2021-09-05T08:57:40Z] <illiliti> I never used kodi
[2021-09-05T08:59:08Z] <soliwilos> testuser[m]: Kodi links to libudev.so.1.
[2021-09-05T08:59:34Z] <soliwilos> Tried it on both alpine and gentoo.
[2021-09-05T09:00:26Z] <soliwilos> With gentoo it still links to libudev.so.1 even with udev useflag disabled.
[2021-09-05T09:01:07Z] <illiliti> I'll into kodi source today. Can't do this rn
[2021-09-05T09:01:50Z] <soliwilos> On alpine the issue went away when swapping out libudev-zero for eudev-libs or what it was called.
[2021-09-05T09:02:23Z] <illiliti> Ok
[2021-09-05T09:02:33Z] <illiliti> I'll look into it
[2021-09-05T09:02:48Z] <soliwilos> Great, thank you!
[2021-09-05T09:19:05Z] <illiliti> http://www.softpanorama.org/Commercial_linuxes/Startup_and_shutdown/Systemd/index.shtml
[2021-09-05T09:19:16Z] <illiliti> good read
[2021-09-05T12:47:07Z] <acheam> No, that's what the terminfo db is for
[2021-09-05T12:47:34Z] <acheam> Oh he disconnected
[2021-09-05T12:48:21Z] <illiliti> soliwilos: i've found problem which causes high cpu usage. will fix soon
[2021-09-05T13:03:19Z] <illiliti> soliwilos: https://termbin.com/jbjo
[2021-09-05T13:04:09Z] <illiliti> apply this patch to libudev-zero and let me know if it fixes the issue
[2021-09-05T13:10:10Z] * soliwilos grabs patch
[2021-09-05T13:22:34Z] <soliwilos> illiliti: Initial test with just libudev-zero patched and rebuilt, causes kodi to crash. I'll rebuild kodi as well, see if it makes a difference.
[2021-09-05T13:23:26Z] <illiliti> interesting
[2021-09-05T13:26:56Z] <illiliti> apply this patch to kodi: https://termbin.com/uk4n
[2021-09-05T13:27:29Z] <illiliti> oh no, not this one
[2021-09-05T13:28:23Z] <soliwilos> Ok..
[2021-09-05T13:28:28Z] <illiliti> https://termbin.com/kbje
[2021-09-05T13:28:34Z] <illiliti> this is better
[2021-09-05T13:28:55Z] <soliwilos> Alright.
[2021-09-05T13:30:21Z] <soliwilos> Building patched kodi now, may take a while.
[2021-09-05T13:30:27Z] <illiliti> ok
[2021-09-05T13:31:01Z] <soliwilos> Thanks again for helping with this. :)
[2021-09-05T13:33:13Z] <illiliti> you're welcome
[2021-09-05T14:20:41Z] <soliwilos> illiliti: It works now! :D
[2021-09-05T14:21:23Z] <illiliti> awesome
[2021-09-05T14:21:40Z] <soliwilos> Well done.
[2021-09-05T14:50:19Z] <micro_O> finally deleted my google account, after 13 years
[2021-09-05T14:50:23Z] <micro_O> feels good
[2021-09-05T14:52:08Z] <acheam> Awesome!
[2021-09-05T14:52:15Z] <acheam> I'm still far away from that :(
[2021-09-05T14:53:33Z] <acheam> The only thing holding me to my personal account is email - I have a redirect setup, although there are 10yrs of accounts and personal contacts using it
[2021-09-05T14:55:02Z] <illiliti> that's why vendor lock-in is bad
[2021-09-05T14:59:39Z] <testuser[m]> Nice
[2021-09-05T14:59:46Z] <testuser[m]> I deleted mine about 1 yr back
[2021-09-05T14:59:54Z] <testuser[m]> Still have one from school though
[2021-09-05T15:00:48Z] <testuser[m]> But it's pretty limited so it's ok i guess
[2021-09-05T15:04:01Z] <testuser[m]> micro_O: 13 years of having created it or 13 years of wanting to delete it ?
[2021-09-05T15:14:50Z] <travankor> I wonder how long google will keep the deleted info
[2021-09-05T15:16:17Z] <testuser[m]> As long as they don't run out of space
[2021-09-05T15:16:27Z] <testuser[m]> Aka never
[2021-09-05T15:16:54Z] <travankor> that's what i thought :c
[2021-09-05T15:19:41Z] <illiliti> soliwilos: https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/pull/20111
[2021-09-05T15:22:14Z] <micro_O> testuser[m] 13 years of having it
[2021-09-05T15:22:45Z] <micro_O> i switched over email a couple of years ago and just decided this week to delete the account when I saw most of my spam was from my old gmail address
[2021-09-05T15:25:33Z] <soliwilos> illiliti: Awesome!
[2021-09-05T16:15:35Z] <noocsharp> micro_0: what do you use instead?
[2021-09-05T16:22:44Z] <rio6> I think android would be the one thing that'll keep my google account
[2021-09-05T16:23:30Z] <rio6> unless I go full on f-droid, etc to bot use google play
[2021-09-05T16:27:19Z] <testuser[m]> Use aurora store if you want to access poogle play
[2021-09-05T16:27:33Z] <testuser[m]> https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.aurora.adroid/
[2021-09-05T17:45:24Z] <rio6> interesting. So it's f-droid repos + google play?
[2021-09-05T17:48:51Z] <illiliti> just google play without spyware
[2021-09-05T18:04:39Z] <noocsharp> well, most of the apps in the google play store are still spyware
[2021-09-05T18:07:41Z] <illiliti> true
[2021-09-05T18:08:33Z] <illiliti> be careful and use exodus
[2021-09-05T18:18:24Z] <acheam> I use it to keep zoom up to date
[2021-09-05T18:21:48Z] <claudia> o/
[2021-09-05T18:21:54Z] <illiliti> hi
[2021-09-05T18:22:18Z] <claudia> Since we are doing android now :D, can someone recommend a cheap machine which runs cyanogenmod or lineage os?
[2021-09-05T18:22:35Z] <claudia> I find it pretty hard to find good information.
[2021-09-05T18:24:13Z] <claudia> Or a device which can be easily rooted, for proper usage.
[2021-09-05T18:25:16Z] <noocsharp> carrier unlocked moto g7 variants
[2021-09-05T18:25:23Z] <noocsharp> or moto g whatever
[2021-09-05T18:26:48Z] <illiliti> Pro1-X
[2021-09-05T18:27:47Z] <illiliti> meme phone actually :)
[2021-09-05T18:32:15Z] <illiliti> but really, google pixel 4a and pixels in general are the best ones
[2021-09-05T18:32:21Z] <illiliti> IMHO
[2021-09-05T18:32:42Z] <illiliti> 4a is relatively cheap
[2021-09-05T18:38:18Z] <claudia> thx a lot.
[2021-09-05T18:38:47Z] <claudia> The moto g7 looks good. I am looking basically for the _cheapest_ price, something at best sub 200€
[2021-09-05T18:39:37Z] <claudia> I dont want to do anything fancy with it. But I still expect the computer to do what ever I want.
[2021-09-05T18:41:07Z] <illiliti> just don't buy phones that can't be easily unlocked
[2021-09-05T18:41:59Z] <claudia> Yeah, I have not spend much time with smartphones, so I cant gather information quickly. 
[2021-09-05T18:42:54Z] <claudia> Lineage OS hast a wiki list with devices, but they dont sort after quality or price (:
[2021-09-05T18:45:18Z] <illiliti> price depends on country
[2021-09-05T18:46:19Z] <acheam> It doesnt need to be specific numbers
[2021-09-05T18:46:26Z] <acheam> Just generally
[2021-09-05T18:46:54Z] <illiliti> in poor countries like russia price is significally lower than in europe countries
[2021-09-05T19:38:03Z] <noocsharp> can you get carrier unlocked phones in russia cheaply?
[2021-09-05T19:38:58Z] <noocsharp> btw you have to be careful to get a carrier unlocked version, because you can't unlock the bootloaders for carrier locked moto g phones
[2021-09-05T19:44:59Z] <illiliti> noocsharp: yes
[2021-09-05T19:45:48Z] <illiliti> the problem is that there's no choice
[2021-09-05T19:46:22Z] <illiliti> xiaomi, samsung and other MTK-based no-name shit
[2021-09-05T19:50:09Z] <illiliti> such as DEXP
[2021-09-05T19:50:21Z] <illiliti> i'm pretty sure you never heard about this
[2021-09-05T19:53:49Z] <illiliti> https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/brand/887fdf
[2021-09-05T20:01:04Z] <GalaxyNova> what about google pixel devices
[2021-09-05T20:01:32Z] <GalaxyNova> graphene OS exist and there's a suprisingly big community around google pixel roms
[2021-09-05T20:02:10Z] <illiliti> you can't buy google pixel devices in russia due to sanctions
[2021-09-05T20:03:33Z] <micro_O> noocsharp protonmail
[2021-09-05T20:03:42Z] <micro_O> and yeah, i just use f-droid + aurora
[2021-09-05T20:03:46Z] <micro_O> signed out
[2021-09-05T22:43:04Z] <bountyht> Hi there. New here. I am looking around at KISS Linux' documentation.
[2021-09-05T22:44:20Z] <soliwilos> Hello.
[2021-09-05T22:44:57Z] <bountyht> So far it looks pretty cool but I don't like very much the dependency on github for the whole thing, since github does dislike my email address and won't let me register with it
[2021-09-05T22:45:44Z] <bountyht> Also, quick question, which office suit is popular around here? Because somehow I don't find LibreOffice fitting :-)
[2021-09-05T22:46:46Z] <soliwilos> vis/vim/emacs/ed.. ? :p
[2021-09-05T22:47:21Z] <bountyht> hahaha, just what I was suspecting,.
[2021-09-05T22:51:27Z] <soliwilos> As a user you will not strictly need a github account, but makes issue handling and some things easier.
[2021-09-05T22:52:39Z] <bountyht> soliwilos: I am a Slackware dude, and an OpenBSD dude, and my experience is that when you use minoritary, tech oriented systems, you eventually have to send patches in
[2021-09-05T22:53:29Z] <bountyht> If only because you want some package or port in the repository so you don't have to do weird things to install it with your package managers
[2021-09-05T22:56:37Z] <soliwilos> I'm not sure, but it's possible Dylan would take patches by email.
[2021-09-05T22:57:35Z] <bountyht> Yup, but it is self-defeating to have acode management solution set in and have to incorporate community contributions manually.
[2021-09-05T22:58:31Z] <bountyht> OpenBSD works the other way around. There is a mailing list for all the patches to go to and then somebody with commit access merges the patches into the CVS repository
[2021-09-05T22:58:42Z] <soliwilos> A lot of people around here also have their own repo's, being that it's extremely simple to add packages yourself.
[2021-09-05T22:59:15Z] <bountyht> It is a bit lame to make a packaging script and not share it
[2021-09-05T22:59:22Z] <bountyht> Unless it is something abominable
[2021-09-05T23:02:36Z] <soliwilos> You may find this useful https://jedahan.com/kiss-find/
[2021-09-05T23:06:01Z] <bountyht> Thanks for the link
[2021-09-05T23:08:39Z] <soliwilos> As some say, sharing is caring.
[2021-09-05T23:09:15Z] <bountyht> hahaha, there is a goffice package somewhere
[2021-09-05T23:11:07Z] <soliwilos> abiword as well.
[2021-09-05T23:13:20Z] <bountyht> I think my only problem with KISS would be to run certain printer that requires a propietary plugin, since I bet it targets glibc only :-(
[2021-09-05T23:17:12Z] <soliwilos> Might be solvable either with a chroot or gcompat.
[2021-09-05T23:18:26Z] <soliwilos> I've not used gcompat much, but works for some things.
[2021-09-05T23:19:11Z] <acheam> riteo is the pro on it
[2021-09-05T23:20:44Z] <bountyht> soliwilos: chroot is what I was thinking about.
[2021-09-05T23:21:16Z] <bountyht> I like to place propietary software that requires high privileges in some sort of isolated place or container anway
[2021-09-05T23:29:29Z] <bountyht> gcompat is on gitlab and is not browsable without javascript. Lame :-(
[2021-09-05T23:32:53Z] <soliwilos> If you just want to browse, there's some on github too. https://github.com/rs--/gcompat
[2021-09-05T23:34:28Z] <soliwilos> Going to get some sleep. Enjoy reading.
[2021-09-05T23:34:57Z] <bountyht> Nights
[2021-09-05T23:35:00Z] <bountyht> I am going to bed too
[2021-09-05T23:35:05Z] <bountyht> gcompat looks promising
[2021-09-05T23:35:47Z] <soliwilos> :)