[2022-08-18T00:48:31Z] <phinxy> There are dozens of us!!
[2022-08-18T01:12:55Z] <virutalmachineus> systemd kiss is next
[2022-08-18T01:18:20Z] <wael[m]> No
[2022-08-18T01:18:29Z] <wael[m]> that is somewhat possible but holy shit is it not worth it
[2022-08-18T02:19:06Z] <virutalmachineus> can't wait for the electron craze
[2022-08-18T03:13:52Z] <midfavila> pretty sure sysd kiss is already a thing
[2022-08-18T03:14:34Z] <virutalmachineus> yeah i think i saw it some where
[2022-08-18T04:33:30Z] <testuser[m]12> Hi
[2022-08-18T04:35:17Z] <wael[m]> o/
[2022-08-18T05:04:32Z] <rohan> yo
[2022-08-18T05:04:49Z] <rohan> latest kernel still need patch?
[2022-08-18T05:05:35Z] <wael[m]> 6.0-rc1?
[2022-08-18T05:06:23Z] <rohan> 5.19.2
[2022-08-18T05:09:50Z] <wael[m]> still bash
[2022-08-18T05:19:50Z] <rohan> guys
[2022-08-18T05:19:53Z] <virutalmachineus> sheesh bash this bash that, when will the bloat end!! 
[2022-08-18T05:20:09Z] <rohan> what happened to libglvnd?
[2022-08-18T05:20:11Z] <virutalmachineus> if systemd wasn't bad enough
[2022-08-18T05:20:27Z] <wael[m]> @rohan : wdym
[2022-08-18T05:20:46Z] <wael[m]> it can be made with and by mesa
[2022-08-18T05:21:05Z] <wael[m]> @virutalmachineuser : you cannot escape bloat, only lower it
[2022-08-18T05:22:48Z] <rohan> i mean the package in community
[2022-08-18T05:22:54Z] <rohan> dropped?
[2022-08-18T05:23:00Z] <rohan> i used to need it for glew
[2022-08-18T05:23:16Z] <rohan> i tried to build and now rebuild to package to community
[2022-08-18T05:23:24Z] <wael[m]> do you have an amd/Intel gpu
[2022-08-18T05:24:26Z] <wael[m]> also yes libglvnd was dropped since may
[2022-08-18T05:24:38Z] <wael[m]> but I still believe mesa provides libglvnd already
[2022-08-18T05:24:49Z] <wael[m]> not as a dependency but it builds it
[2022-08-18T05:28:40Z] <rohan> its because glew says it needs opengl
[2022-08-18T05:28:48Z] <rohan> and not have it build
[2022-08-18T05:28:55Z] <wael[m]> try to build without it
[2022-08-18T05:29:01Z] <wael[m]> remove it as a dependency
[2022-08-18T05:29:02Z] <rohan> use amd system
[2022-08-18T05:30:21Z] <rohan> but how?
[2022-08-18T05:30:23Z] <virutalmachineus> <wael[m]> "@virutalmachineuser : you cannot..." <- well there's always the vm route, small and contained.
[2022-08-18T05:30:27Z] <wael[m]> where is glew?
[2022-08-18T05:30:35Z] <wael[m]> its not in community
[2022-08-18T05:30:44Z] <wael[m]> @virutalmachineuser what's your setup virtual machine user
[2022-08-18T05:31:23Z] <virutalmachineus> vm is where all the bloat goes including bloated firefox
[2022-08-18T05:32:09Z] <wael[m]> wouldn't it take more resources to run nearly everything in a vm
[2022-08-18T05:32:29Z] <wael[m]> if it's for security its acceptable but for avoiding bloat, really?
[2022-08-18T05:32:39Z] <virutalmachineus> yeah but it's secure and free from the bloat
[2022-08-18T05:32:57Z] <virutalmachineus> it's ijust nice not having bloat in your main system
[2022-08-18T05:33:18Z] <wael[m]> what do you have then, what do you run on your host
[2022-08-18T05:33:53Z] <virutalmachineus> i compile in the vm then install in main
[2022-08-18T05:34:05Z] <virutalmachineus> it's really small
[2022-08-18T05:34:42Z] <virutalmachineus> so no build tools in main system
[2022-08-18T05:34:51Z] <wael[m]> what...
[2022-08-18T05:34:59Z] <wael[m]> from 1 to 10 how schizo are you
[2022-08-18T05:35:43Z] <virutalmachineus> what's wrong?
[2022-08-18T05:36:38Z] <virutalmachineus> i'm just a hardcore vm user
[2022-08-18T05:37:20Z] <wael[m]> nah man you aint hardcore you are bigger than that
[2022-08-18T05:37:27Z] <wael[m]> hardcore is 12 you are 48
[2022-08-18T05:45:02Z] <virutalmachineus> nah you are just mistaken, i'm not pure tty only autistic(well not yet(joking)).
[2022-08-18T05:48:33Z] <wael[m]> noted
[2022-08-18T08:46:59Z] <raph_ael> if you mind about security, you can run chroot or firejail
[2022-08-18T08:47:03Z] <raph_ael> simplier than a vm
[2022-08-18T08:56:42Z] <virutalmachineus> <raph_ael> "if you mind about security..." <- chroot is not security and firejail makes things worse
[2022-08-18T08:58:13Z] <virutalmachineus> and compiling source code in root is a with chroot is not a no for me
[2022-08-18T08:58:25Z] <virutalmachineus> qemu can run in user mode
[2022-08-18T08:59:12Z] <virutalmachineus> you should have to have scripts setup to connect the tap device
[2022-08-18T08:59:31Z] <virutalmachineus> s/should/just/
[2022-08-18T09:00:33Z] <virutalmachineus> s/should/just/, s/setup//, s/connect/setup/
[2022-08-18T09:01:05Z] <virutalmachineus> s/is a//, s/not//
[2022-08-18T09:11:46Z] <raph_ael> seems a bit painful for me
[2022-08-18T09:15:47Z] <virutalmachineus> if you have scripts it's quite simple
[2022-08-18T09:16:09Z] <virutalmachineus> to each there own
[2022-08-18T09:17:24Z] <virutalmachineus> qemu also has mircovms, boots really fast
[2022-08-18T11:57:24Z] <wael[m]> is there a xxd alternative available?
[2022-08-18T17:04:46Z] <testuser[m]12> <wael[m]> "is there a xxd alternative..." <- https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/src/xxd/xxd.c
[2022-08-18T17:05:11Z] <testuser[m]12> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/vim/vim/83e11800cc3775de3135ac7d823137c8c1e87fa1/src/xxd/xxd.c
[2022-08-18T17:21:35Z] <testuser[m]12> Does anyone have some idea about how many people outside this irc use KISS lol
[2022-08-18T17:32:17Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2022-08-18T17:35:24Z] <sad_plan> testuser[m]12: wouldnt that just be guessswork? I mean, you could fetch the stats from github though, which could give a somewhat pinpoint
[2022-08-18T17:37:15Z] <testuser[m]12> It show's 100+ clones but it's probably bots 
[2022-08-18T17:40:10Z] <testuser[m]12> Latest tarball released on 22 june has 175 downloads
[2022-08-18T17:56:03Z] <sad_plan> thats something to go on atleast. how many people voted on the poll earlier? if you recall I mean :p
[2022-08-18T17:59:00Z] <sad_plan> in any case, that would probably give us a more defintive number on how many users there were at that time anyway.
[2022-08-18T18:03:18Z] <phoebos> tarball downloads are mainly only new users though
[2022-08-18T18:03:32Z] <phoebos> 175 seems a lot 
[2022-08-18T18:04:08Z] <phoebos> i feel like it was only about 20 people who answered the poll
[2022-08-18T18:04:29Z] <phoebos> which was pretty much just people active in irc
[2022-08-18T18:45:59Z] <sad_plan> yeah, Id also say that seems like alot. I mean, KISS is really niche. we do occationally see new people here, aswell as on reddit, but 175 seems alot, like you said.
[2022-08-18T18:46:44Z] <sad_plan> yeah, something like that I suppose.
[2022-08-18T20:02:08Z] <rohan> someone have gimp packaged?
[2022-08-18T20:13:42Z] <virutalmachineus> https://github.com/eudaldgr/kiss-garbage/tree/master/gfx/gimp
[2022-08-18T20:13:58Z] <virutalmachineus> it's quite old you might need to update it
[2022-08-18T21:17:42Z] <phinxy> rohan: I have GIMP 2.99.10 but it's not neat.  There are cumbersome dependencies, too
[2022-08-18T21:36:40Z] <rohan> can you send me a link to repo?
[2022-08-18T21:36:52Z] <phinxy> just a sec
[2022-08-18T21:38:41Z] <phinxy> https://gitlab.com/tropical/kisslinux_2007_macbook/-/tree/main/gimp
[2022-08-18T21:39:10Z] <phinxy> But I haven't pushed the required libraries gimp depends on
[2022-08-18T21:42:00Z] <phinxy> atk amongst others..