[2022-08-29T00:27:13Z] <testuser[m]12> Hi
[2022-08-29T00:28:11Z] <Torr> Hi
[2022-08-29T00:54:34Z] <midfavila> christ i can't believe i'm having more trouble with GNU ar than GCC
[2022-08-29T01:00:51Z] <Torr> Their Tar uses octal encoding, so...
[2022-08-29T01:04:22Z] <midfavila> ar, not tar
[2022-08-29T01:04:27Z] <midfavila> as in from the binutils
[2022-08-29T01:04:45Z] <midfavila> libtool (and by extension every program that relies on a GNU-generated configure script) relies on it being GNU ar
[2022-08-29T01:12:35Z] <Torr> Indeed
[2022-08-29T01:15:40Z] <midfavila> screeeeeee I can't even build Athena without autotools 
[2022-08-29T01:15:52Z] <midfavila> how is software this unbased
[2022-08-29T01:18:12Z] <testuser[m]12> cc *.c
[2022-08-29T01:18:46Z] <Torr> That one is new to me, what does the Athena program do?
[2022-08-29T01:20:34Z] <midfavila> Athena is the reference widget toolkit distributed as part of the standard X11 distribution
[2022-08-29T01:20:42Z] <midfavila> its library name is Xaw
[2022-08-29T01:20:45Z] <midfavila> "X Athena Widgets"
[2022-08-29T01:20:55Z] <midfavila> so called because they were a product of MIT Project Athena
[2022-08-29T01:21:38Z] <midfavila> if you've ever used XTerm or XCalc, you've used Athena
[2022-08-29T01:22:16Z] <Torr> So Athena was everpresent, eh
[2022-08-29T01:22:39Z] <midfavila> they're primitive, but they have a number of important advantages over other widget sets: they're not encumbered by any unfavorable license, their codebase is very, very small compared to most widget sets, they're very efficient, very simply API...
[2022-08-29T01:22:52Z] <midfavila> and yes, Athena is more common than people realize, even if it's mostly fallen out of use
[2022-08-29T01:26:08Z] <Torr> "unbased", noticed just now. Lol
[2022-08-29T01:26:25Z] <midfavila> one interesting party trick that athena is (seemingly uniquely) able to pull off is ABI compatibility between wholly different implementations
[2022-08-29T01:26:39Z] <Torr> Mit'n Ibm teamed up, eh.
[2022-08-29T01:26:46Z] <midfavila> DEC, as well
[2022-08-29T01:27:04Z] <Torr> midfavila: Do u mean implementations of the X protocol?
[2022-08-29T01:30:15Z] <midfavila> no, I mean implementations of the Athena widget toolkit
[2022-08-29T01:30:28Z] <midfavila> Xaw, Xaw3d, Xaw3dXft, neXtaw, Xaw95, and so on
[2022-08-29T01:30:54Z] <midfavila> all with different looks and (sometimes) different feels, yet so long as you restrict yourself to the widgets provided by Xaw, they're all binary compatible
[2022-08-29T01:31:14Z] <midfavila> doesn't matter *too* much in the real world, but it's neat
[2022-08-29T01:32:36Z] <Torr> Nice
[2022-08-29T01:45:17Z] <midfavila>  https://forums.freebsd.org/attachments/xaw3d-2-png.10890
[2022-08-29T01:46:17Z] <midfavila> it can be pretty comfy, but it definitely shows its age in some places
[2022-08-29T01:48:05Z] <midfavila> fortunately, between its simple API and the fact that it's built directly atop Xt, it's not hard to add widgets or modify existing ones
[2022-08-29T01:48:07Z] <midfavila> ...or so I hear
[2022-08-29T01:55:39Z] <Torr> Retro look
[2022-08-29T01:56:00Z] <Torr> TempleOS look
[2022-08-29T08:01:34Z] <lylac> Good afternoon ( ' - ')/
[2022-08-29T08:03:23Z] <virutalmachineus> hi goodnight (-_-)/
[2022-08-29T08:03:33Z] <virutalmachineus>  * hi goodnight   (-_-)/
[2022-08-29T08:07:13Z] <lylac> waiting around for software from accross the planet ~ - ~
[2022-08-29T08:29:40Z] <testuser[m]12> You need to enable "HTTP Protocol Stack Support" in your UEFI.
[2022-08-29T08:44:04Z] <lylac> where should i get regulatory.db and regulatory.db.p7s from? ive needed it before for wireless networking but it was supplied by the systems pm
[2022-08-29T11:56:26Z] <sad_plan> lylac, regulatort.db should be found on kernel.org git server. i used to use it before, but I figured out I didnt need it after all