[2022-10-19T00:04:00Z] <virutalmachineus> Is that base off AI technology? 
[2022-10-19T00:04:39Z] <virutalmachineus> AI compression is the future.
[2022-10-19T00:09:18Z] <virutalmachineus> Quantum plus intelligent AI is the future future, probably a 1 Terabyte  to one qubit ratio.
[2022-10-19T00:12:32Z] <virutalmachineus> testuser is doing a PhD on this type of technology if I recall correctly.
[2022-10-19T02:39:47Z] <wael_> pro
[2022-10-19T02:52:32Z] <sad_plan> what other providers have ip? I was considering iproute2, buut seeing as it has deps, I find it abit off putting..
[2022-10-19T04:51:40Z] <testuser[m]> Dependencies exist for a reason
[2022-10-19T04:51:42Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-10-19T05:00:49Z] <testuser[m]> if u want any "advanced" stuff like required by wireguard then u need iproute2
[2022-10-19T05:55:32Z] <virutalmachineus> Who need ip tools when you don't connect to the internet.
[2022-10-19T06:00:32Z] <testuser[m]> virutalmachineuser: do u even use kiss lol 
[2022-10-19T06:02:16Z] <virutalmachineus> yes
[2022-10-19T06:12:47Z] <illiliti> i see that iproute2 from oasis has no deps
[2022-10-19T06:12:57Z] <illiliti> besides linux-headers
[2022-10-19T06:13:30Z] <illiliti> something is wrong with our iproute2
[2022-10-19T06:14:04Z] <illiliti> it definitely should not require iptables crap
[2022-10-19T06:14:08Z] <illiliti> at least
[2022-10-19T06:18:42Z] <testuser[m]> Some features probably require it, I'll see if it's possible to use wireguard with it (one would just use busybox ip otherwise) and remove the dep
[2022-10-19T06:33:29Z] <illiliti> wtf people still depend on iptables
[2022-10-19T06:33:35Z] <illiliti> aren't those were deprecated in favor of nftables?
[2022-10-19T06:38:40Z] <testuser[m]> Yeah
[2022-10-19T06:39:49Z] <testuser[m]> wg-quick supports both tho, but idk if the features it needs from iproute are available without iptables
[2022-10-19T06:39:53Z] <testuser[m]> that's what i have to check
[2022-10-19T07:34:50Z] <testuser[m]> why do some meson pkgs install pkgconfig files to /usr/share 
[2022-10-19T07:37:09Z] <illiliti> which
[2022-10-19T07:37:35Z] <testuser[m]> xkeyboard-config
[2022-10-19T07:37:56Z] <testuser[m]> it uses datadir as pkgconfig base
[2022-10-19T07:42:47Z] <illiliti> could you remind me why it needs libx11?
[2022-10-19T07:43:43Z] <testuser[m]> just some data files 
[2022-10-19T07:43:56Z] <testuser[m]>  /usr/share/x11/locale
[2022-10-19T07:44:19Z] <testuser[m]> idk what they even do so
[2022-10-19T07:44:23Z] <illiliti> hm
[2022-10-19T07:44:32Z] <illiliti> alpine doesn't need libx11
[2022-10-19T07:44:55Z] <illiliti> they use different source also
[2022-10-19T07:45:16Z] <illiliti> it probably doesn't matter tho
[2022-10-19T07:46:02Z] <illiliti> crux build is interesting too
[2022-10-19T07:46:09Z] <illiliti> https://crux.nu/ports/crux-3.7/xorg/xkeyboard-config/Pkgfile
[2022-10-19T07:47:21Z] <testuser[m]> # Depends on: libxslt xorg-xkbcomp
[2022-10-19T07:47:26Z] <testuser[m]> indirectly pulls x11
[2022-10-19T07:48:36Z] <illiliti> ok what about alpine build
[2022-10-19T07:49:44Z] <testuser[m]> seems fine
[2022-10-19T07:49:47Z] <testuser[m]> ill remove x11 data and see if anythng explodes
[2022-10-19T07:49:51Z] <testuser[m]> maybe its required for some other configs
[2022-10-19T07:50:54Z] <testuser[m]> seems ok
[2022-10-19T07:57:07Z] <illiliti> hm, i have pkgconfig file correctly installed
[2022-10-19T07:57:15Z] <illiliti> /usr/share/pkgconfig/xkeyboard-config.pc
[2022-10-19T07:57:43Z] <illiliti> but i use muon
[2022-10-19T07:57:47Z] <illiliti> i'll check meson
[2022-10-19T07:58:35Z] <testuser[m]> its in /usr/share/pkgconfig only
[2022-10-19T07:58:43Z] <testuser[m]> but everything else is in /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[2022-10-19T08:00:08Z] <illiliti> i don't even have /usr/lib in manifest
[2022-10-19T08:00:20Z] <illiliti> ah wait
[2022-10-19T08:00:25Z] <illiliti> i see what you mean
[2022-10-19T08:00:32Z] <illiliti> this is correct behavior
[2022-10-19T08:00:43Z] <illiliti> xkeyboard-config isn't a lib
[2022-10-19T08:01:24Z] <illiliti> it's arch-independent data, so its pkgconfig file goes to /usr/share
[2022-10-19T08:02:04Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/freedesktop/xkeyboard-config/blob/master/meson.build#L25
[2022-10-19T08:02:12Z] <testuser[m]> oh
[2022-10-19T08:03:31Z] <illiliti> so it's fine, not a bug
[2022-10-19T10:03:13Z] <testuser[m]> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mold-1.6-Linker
[2022-10-19T11:30:52Z] <wael_> must switch to
[2022-10-19T12:51:05Z] <testuser[m]> why does ncurses reset run an artificial sleep
[2022-10-19T12:57:21Z] <wael_> what made it artificial 
[2022-10-19T13:00:29Z] <testuser[m]> strace
[2022-10-19T13:03:35Z] <wael_> check source code
[2022-10-19T13:04:28Z] <wael_> https://github.com/mirror/ncurses/blob/master/progs/reset_cmd.c
[2022-10-19T13:11:24Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/landley/toybox/blob/master/toys/other/reset.c#L7
[2022-10-19T13:11:28Z] <illiliti> legacy
[2022-10-19T13:22:37Z] <testuser[m]> WTF
[2022-10-19T13:22:40Z] <testuser[m]> LOL
[2022-10-19T13:23:32Z] <illiliti> netbsd-curses have same issue
[2022-10-19T13:23:49Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/sabotage-linux/netbsd-curses/blob/master/tset/set.c#L239
[2022-10-19T13:24:29Z] <wael_> why is (void) put before it
[2022-10-19T13:24:54Z] <testuser[m]> to silence the compiler 
[2022-10-19T13:25:04Z] <testuser[m]> but i dont think there's anything to warn about there
[2022-10-19T13:25:11Z] <testuser[m]> about ignoring ret value
[2022-10-19T13:25:42Z] <testuser[m]> illiliti: https://github.com/haampie/libtree
[2022-10-19T13:36:20Z] <illiliti> ldd should have this by default
[2022-10-19T13:39:00Z] <illiliti> it even has NO_COLOR support, nice
[2022-10-19T14:47:20Z] <wael_> push to repo and replace ldd
[2022-10-19T14:47:21Z] <wael_> solved
[2022-10-19T15:19:02Z] <testuser[m]> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9kaIXkImCAM
[2022-10-19T15:35:55Z] <wael_> I love this channel
[2022-10-19T15:39:49Z] <testuser[m]> https://githubcopilotinvestigation.com/
[2022-10-19T18:45:02Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/Zeal-Operating-System/ZealOS
[2022-10-19T18:45:17Z] <midfavila> move over linux, real OS incoming
[2022-10-19T18:49:31Z] <virutalmachineus> Can I use electron apps?
[2022-10-19T19:40:57Z] <testuser[m]> For those not under the influence of this mind virus, we’ve all just had a wakeup call that Microsoft is not the awesome, friendly, totally-ethical corporation that we’ve been told they are—they remain an incompetent, bureaucratic, and exploitative corporation, operating many of the increasingly-scarce chokepoints  within the computing ecosystem. This wakeup call started with a single, hilarious phrase
[2022-10-19T20:33:48Z] <sad_plan> o/
[2022-10-19T20:34:04Z] <virutalmachineus> ?o?